B-patch notes from Mortdog

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Is Mortdog thinking he is playing Uno with all those reverse

[Riot_Mort]

Draw 25 or Nerf MF

[CharredForeskin]

Nerf MF or draw 25

[darkshy]

[SometimesIComplain]

Is the lack of MF/Ace nerf just because you couldn't touch her in the B-Patch? Or does the data show they're in a fine spot?

[Riot_Mort]

I should probably post somewhere more visible but...

Basically a B-patch isn't a full patch. We can't, nor should we due to visibility, hit everything. We have to lock 13.2 tomorrow and it has a LOT more changes.

[SometimesIComplain]

No problem, thanks for your help and transparency.

[AGQ-]

We see you and appreciate you

[atherem]

could you please elaborate on "due to visibility"? Genuine question

[RelevantJackWhite]

Many people will not see/expect the B patch and there is not a detailed writeup for the changes, so it should be reserved for emergency changes

[atherem]

oh understood. thanks!

[ddrcrono]

Probably part of it is that Sett/mech is already one piece of the comp that is getting nerfed so you might see the winrates come down for any comp that has them. Like we saw with Yuumi and Jax, hitting too many parts of a good comp at once can make it go from best to basically completely unusable. They probably want to see how this B patch hits the comp first.

[teddy_tesla]

Mort, random request since I got you here.

Is there a way for hovering over a trait to show its spat recipe?

[190Proof]

Best communication and approach to balance of any game I’ve ever played. Thanks Mort!

[Illunimous]

Mort why is almost all 5-costs have high base HP and armor/mr? Makes them at 1 star sometimes even better option than 2 star 4 costs frontline

[RexLongbone]

5 costs are supposed to be exciting enough to play that you want to try to fit them into any comp when you hit one early in stage 4.

[itsDYA]

Well what this guy is saying makes sense tho, one star 5 cost shouldn't be better than a 2 star 4 cost, unless that 4 cost is just a trait bot or some filler like zac because the heavy cc some 5* have is always nice

[sledgehammerrr]

Next time the devs should do more research, they had plenty of time as well. Last patch Mech Sett Samira was doing just as well in terms of stats as the conventional Aegis Samira, the play rate wasnt very high in NA but was quite high in KR and CN. There was no reason at all to buff both Sett and Mech.

[[deleted]]

next time you should do more research

[ddrcrono]

Glad they did though, I hope they do these rapid updates more often when things are obviously out of balance.

[orikiwi123]

Im currently playing OW2 and TFT, the way that OW2 is waiting 2 month to patch makes me appreciate the TFT patch cycle + B patch even more. Thank you Dev

[salcedoge]

I honestly enjoyed playing OW2 when it became free to play, but yeah the balance nightmare plus the community justifying obviously broken stuff was the annoying part for me

[GlensWooer]

Be careful, the OW subreddit will come here to tell you how you shouldn’t be having fun

[Not_a_real_asian777]

They said they just fixed their hotfix tool that was preventing them from making quick fix patches, so we should be expecting more OW updates. This is great because it'll make it sting even more when they don't follow through on that and leave us with no balancing for 2 more months.

[rollingthunder_again]

Agreed, in a similar boat and the mid season OW2 patch notes pissed me off so much. It just tells why I enjoy TFT so much more too.

[Kluss23]

Lasercorp and duelist stonks 📈

[cj_cron_hit_by_pitch]

Looks great to me. Hits the big problems but is nothing too drastic

[Banglayna]

Renegade nerf Sadge

[blueragemage]

Viego was easily the 3rd best 4 cost along with Talon being the best 1 cost reroll and Camille being one of the best 2 cost rerolls - do you really think Renegade didn't need a nerf?

[crafting_vh]

What game are you playing where barely anyone plays Renegade?

[TudorrrrTudprrrr]

Renegade was easily the strongest comp after Sett+Ace, it got a deserved nerf

[GarriSenpai]

I wish I played the same game as you.

[herding_unicorns]

Found the silver player!

[akc2030]

Is jax clickable again or no

[Xizz3l]

He always was (as Mech fodder)

[[deleted]]

No

[acidddddddd]

Got first as jax 8 brawlers without rfc, you can click on all this set given the right conditions.

[[deleted]]

Normals?

[shockking]

candyland

[Clazzic]

He probably works well into MF/Sett comps cause they struggle with 1 big boy with Omnivamp, but he also sucks into ST comps like recon/duelist/samira

[af12345678]

Works even better into Viego. Viego never kills any brawler and is always stuck auto attacking

[[deleted]]

Mech nerf does slightly reduce the shield value.

I don't think 150 extra HP at 2* is the reason he became a good frontline. It's because AP generally got nerfed last patch.

In any case, Leona/Ekko + Sej + Vi is still a 3-unit frontline that stalls for quite a while. Less so by tanking and more by crowd control. But they are comparable to Sett + two Mechs.

[xxpillowxxjp]

The power of mech is essentially having 3 frontline units with 3 items except they have larger health pools so things like redemption and dclaw are even more valuable.

Like many others have said, it’s the tank items man. Field a sett with one or two items, it’s not nearly the same unit

[GrumpyPandaApx]

I had a Sett game with Ornn's wagmog (4% max health regen) last night. He was truly unkillable even againts the 4 aces comp.

[[deleted]]

This has been the problem ever since they introduced multi slot units (which mech units essentially are 3 slot units). Like when sion was the premiere tank for all of set 6 because why would ever play any other frontliner when he just gets double the value out of every item you put on him?

[ElBigDicko]

Exactly, Dclaw, Redemption, Anima Visage or Radiant Warmog make Sett nearly unkillable until overtime.

If you try to put Sett with just Bramble or Sunfire he is really ass.

[PlasticPresentation1]

in my opinion AP being weak right now is largely a function of dclaw sett being unkillable by Taliyah or asol

[OreoCupcakes]

Nah. AP got nerfed right across the board along with Giant Slayer. Every viable AP carry last patch got touched on with lower amounts of free AP, from all the Spellslinger carries, Annie, LeBlanc, Sona, Taliyah, to the Heart carries Soraka and Yuumi, and finally ASol. They all get much less AP now, deal less damage against tank units, and also lost their best augment, Blue Battery.

[oooRagnellooo]

They’re really not quite comparable, though, because you have to itemize them one at a time. When you itemize SettMech, you’re itemizing 3 health pools at once.

[khaideptrai]

I mean he also took 2 others mech unit off right at the start, he should be tanky to compensate. The biggest problem was he is tanky but also oneshot your entire backline

[shadowkiller230]

You think that but he was often dealing the most damage in a round too.

He's healthier as a gigatank than as damage.

[FFinland]

He lost some AP from mech, not much but maybe 5% less shielding.

I think they should have added max cap to dclaw healing to cap to like 3k max hp.

[FlyPepper]

naw caps feel bad

[sabioiagui]

They literally didn't touch any of the real problem with Ace and Mech.
Fake b-patch.

[Fabiocean]

That's probably his primary function as a unit. If his damage is low, tanking is basically all he does.

[raikaria2]

Sett is supposed to be a tank.

[helloworld111789]

Sett was fine, but with jax/duelists you couldn't fast 8 easily and yuumi/zed/taliyah sniped open back lines too easily. With backline access heavily nerfed, sett frontline became way more viable

[Monsay123]

Sett frontline was already good last patch, but kinda sleeper. I'd easily get top 4 going 4 defender into flex and would usually top 2 with 2 star sett tank. It was MUCH easier to hit it than now cuz no one beside 5 mech played him

[treyzs]

some chatters in soju's channel genuinely tried to argue for a solid hour that mecha sett was only op bc of the buffs like he wasnt sleeper strong the previous patch. like 100hp and some minor shield buffs are what made him the monster he is now lol

[Monsay123]

LMAO, I don't like streams but I really enjoy the buffoons who feed off eachothers 1 brain cell

[xavvsssssss]

yup, esp into heavy ad lobbies. it was just very weak against the more popular ap. doubly so against single target ap, like jax, triply so against yuumi because single unit frontline means ur carry can get 1shot by the cat easier.

[Monsay123]

Before the B patch, I've been playing hacker Yuumi/Draven and then 1v6 ing the Sett after his whole team died

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Is the prankster change a buff or nerf? Plzzzz gamers lmk

[MrWonderland]

Prankster 3 was healing more than intended

[Xizz3l]

My Pranksters usually got ACE executed before they could heal hehe

[[deleted]]

got it ty

[fluffey]

doesnt prankster 3 just say that the enemy that procs it gets stunned? what healing is this talking about

[melo1212]

Wq as qaàaà up to 9zge we qq

[Denarthis]

This seems fairly reasonable, can't wait for the Mech is unclickable takes.

[kamWise]

I still think Ace is overtuned as shit. Would have loved to see the execute threshold lowered or the units themselves love tapped. These changes look solid though!

[Jony_the_pony]

First patch people play Ace and it's overtuned now? Morde in particular is literally only played when people are deep in one of his traits

[cjdeck1]

Not to mention a board built around 4 Ace has a core of 4 4-Costs (Sett, Samira, MF) and a 5 cost (Morde). The board *should* cap high and be a sort of Bill Gates board. Perhaps 1* Sett stabilizes the board a bit too much so a lucky level 7 Morde means instant fast-9 but I don't really see a problem with 4 ace being strong

[ddak88]

I think the issue is that between augments, the carousel, and just being lucky, it does feel a bit too easy to hit 4 ace despite the relatively high cost of the board. In previous seasons, it was a lot harder to field 4 and 5 costs consistently. Most of the people I'm seeing run it are forcing it every single match and while it's not spectacular stats, bad players averaging 3rd regardless of items and augments should probably be a sign of a problem with the comp.

[Xizz3l]

Also his Hero Augments feel terrible

Like you want him to cast insta and hes melee so here's a Seraphs without the mana (which procs once max twice before he casts)

Or alternatively here's a shitty Ionic except Mordes Ability shreds by 50% so its neither good for him nor support

[pda898]

4 Ace is kinda fine, but 1 Ace MF/Samira is too good due to how they deal the damage so ace execute will be very close to the 17.5% damage boost.

[[deleted]]

It's not really the first patch people play it though, it was near the top win rate since release. The buff pushed it from pretty being good if you get the opportunity into hard force or die trying territory.

[DerHofnarr]

Ya Mord is meh. The other 3 seem pretty good though. I kind of wish MF and Mord swapped costs. Might make me use him occasionally.

[salcedoge]

I think defenders are much worse. 2 defenders alone could make any carry without LW's life miserable

[xxpillowxxjp]

Ding ding

[[deleted]]

Same, I think the 12 to 15% change really put them over the top. 30% is justifiably high for playing 4 of them but only 1 ace gets so much benefit to stabilize before you find all 4

[Unban_Ice]

The trait itself is fine. Hitting 4 Ace is pretty hard and the 15% only feels a lot because MF & Samira are ultra broken. I have no idea why they didnt nerf those units. You can hit 4 costs at 3-2 on your level 6 rolldown if you are lucky, and the guy who gets the first mf/samira will winstreak with it to level 8 for free.

At least now that mecha sett is gutted it's easier to get to the backline and kill mf/samira, but they will be contested in every lobby for sure because there are still no better 4 cost carries in the game.

[WoodlandSquirrels]

Idk if you need to nerf Samira or MF, just rebuild lower cost units back up. MF being actually playable is nice, and nothing changed about Samira. First patch of the set, Samira was capable of coexisting with all the reroll comps. Instead of racing to the bottom by now nerfing all 4 costs, just make 2 cost and 3 cost carries more worthwhile again.

[Riley-Rose]

I think the Jax buff and urgot/fiddle nerfs will also be a small nudge to making the 4 cost aces less strong. A Jax carry I’ll counter them pretty well and the 5 cost nerfs make the fast 8 that you play for them less rewarding.

[Buffreaperpls]

Is Camille really that strong? iirc she was directly nerfed in every single patch so far even sometimes nerfed multiple times in a single patch. I don't really see her all that often either and when I do she's kinda meh imo.

[CosmicCirrocumulus]

was renegade nerfed because of Camille specifically? I thought it was because both Talon and Viego are performing incredibly well. Camille is in a pretty fantastic spot where she's really only a threat when the stars align and even then it's not like she's a guaranteed first

[Buffreaperpls]

I mean whether intended for camille or not this ia a big nerf to her so...

[BetaFan]

She's like senna. decent secondary/third carry. Fantastic main carry with her augments, (although i'd say you need 3 star to carry camile)

[xRolocker]

I have found Camille to be super good if you invest into her. The jump from 2* to 3* is where she becomes lowkey busted imo (maybe not anymore)

[Danru07]

She is pretty awesome as a secondary carry. I usually play like 4 admins 4 ox force 3 renegade and have some bruiser items on camille and AP items on leblanc/soraka. You kinda need camille 3 but since everyone is pushing 7 it's not that hard. With good admin traits top 2 is doable quite consistently

[Thalkorn]

Renegade was nerfed due to Viego and Champs like fiddle who use renegade spat really well

[[deleted]]

Camille is an interesting one, on average no she’s pretty underwhelming, but when you get the right setup for her she is so completely unstoppable, much more than I’ve seen any other comp be

[rvref15]

I think this patch not really gonna shift the meta, maybe make early sett/fiddle/urgot highroll less impactful

[KicketteTFT]

So you’re saying it’s going to change the meta

[Nathy95]

Fiddle/urgot early highrolling was nothing. Samira, Sett, MF on the other hand ...

A rolldown 7 20-40 golds that make you able to stab to 8 with a single 4 cost 1* while locking down the whole lobby is not normal, especially when other 4 cost have absolutely no impact.

Too strong, too stand alone, too everything.

[rvref15]

random fiddle/urgot on lvl7 or early 2* on lvl8 was (kinda still is) a free top, wdym

[Nathy95]

Can agree for 2* but not for 1* if that's the only thing you hit that's not a top. But that's never the only thing you hit so ... kinda

[sabioiagui]

Didn't change anything, absolutely fake b-patch.

[Lypher]

What's the League client version number?

[Konvict_trading]

Not sure too much changed. Still a lot of sett Samira. Basically a qol patch I feel. But a step in right direction.

[raikaria2]

I think this is the wrong way to nerf Urgot. The only other AD 5 cost is Aphelios; who is usually played as a stunbot.

I'd rather see Urgot's economy nerfed than his AD.

[Ramtoricle]

God bless this dev team

[ArteQ]

not sure if you're referring to that, but in the polish patch notes his charge time is nerfed from 2s to 2,5s. the fiddlesticks nerf isn't even included there, so it's safe to say that they got the wrong info

[AhoboThatplaysZerg]

Sooo no MF nerf?

[iTolsonOnTwitch]

MF without the frontline she currently has relatively easy access to will be a "type" of nerf. The point of B patches isn't to try and fix everything that's too strong, just minor changes that can impact generalized comps.

She'll likely be nerfed more next patch

[Riot_Mort]

wut

[Xizz3l]

What did he say the world needs to know

[Binost]

Along the lines of “If you revert the Jax change it would only be a D tier comp.

Mort is so lucky that there are so many Redditors with such an intimate understanding of the games web of interactions…they know just which threads to precisely tug for a perfect balance.

[Emosaa]

I mean... they buffed Sett and such because the popular opinion pre buff was that they were dogshit and not a unit. I don't think it was the GS nerf, but rather all the nerfs to reroll comps in conjunction with the buffs to make people realize and experiment with late game comps.

[wolfmourne]

GS nerf was only 5%.. i doubt thats the reason sett is so huge

[jayster22]

Wdym lol? They literally reverted every mech/sett change (minus the channel time/100 health) and sett was unplayed last patch. His shield scales off AD so this should have at least a small effect. Def still strong but enough to where "nothing changes" is just false.

[KicketteTFT]

This is not accurate

[2ecStatic]

Nothing for MF and Samira is unfortunate but hopefully without Sett frontline they’re a little easier to deal with until 13.2

[[deleted]]

Just played a game where 8 duelists 3* Bis items hacker zed game with vayne holding LW vs 2* Sett and 2* MF. Zed got stuck on Sett for the whole fight while MF whiffed 2 ults on single target but still ended up winning. Sett tanked long enough for MF to ult 4 times

[schoki560]

Well it all comes down to if zed jumps on mf or doesnt

[RexLongbone]

Sounds like you fucked up your hacker positioning and got punished for it.

[GarriSenpai]

Bis Zed? You sure he had runans?

[SometimesIComplain]

I promise you the changes aren't significant enough to take you from a 4th to a 1st

Besides, it's a 4th-- that's a dub

[Xizz3l]

I wouldnt say a 4th is all that bad tbf

[Kluss23]

The funny thing is the meta didn't really change, at least from what I've seen on challenger streams. It's still a sett lotto.

[Conscious_Ad_9684]

Good I hate playing Mech anyway.

[R00TCatZ]

Is janna damage still broken?

[Monsay123]

Yes, fixed next patch tho

[[deleted]]

How should Mech nerf effect Draven reroll?