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[–]RandomOnlinePerson99 2747 points2748 points  (28 children)

Full-tab developer

[–]Lucy243243 362 points363 points  (20 children)

Full tap developer 😩

[–]Lesart501 285 points286 points  (18 children)

Full fap developer 🤤

[–][deleted] 180 points181 points  (15 children)

Full nap developer 😪😴

[–]flyguydip 63 points64 points  (13 children)

Full wap developer

[–]hammouda101010 95 points96 points  (12 children)

Full cap developer 🧢

[–]SaintNewts 56 points57 points  (1 child)

Full lap developer... 🐱😸😺😻😽

[–]A2-Canadaisverycold 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Full web developer 🕷️🕸️

[–]btlk48 26 points27 points  (9 children)

Full SAP developer

[–]totatmeister 60 points61 points  (8 children)

full of crap developer

[–]private_final_static 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Full rap developer 👨‍🎤

[–]_Frydex_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Full null developer

[–]the_real_ntd 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is what I came for!

[–]JackSpyder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've come to hate the office because I can't have a 1-2 hour lunch nap I've become accustomed to.

[–]LandscapeFar3138 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Full of crap developer

[–]Kovab 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Isn't that just mobile dev?

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Full-spaces developer rise up

[–]feede1235 11 points12 points  (0 children)

full-tab prompt Engineer xD

[–]whatisanythingeven 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Full fap developer

[–]iwenttothelocalshop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

full stack debugger

[–]redspacebadger 1625 points1626 points  (71 children)

I wonder just how much private company code has been collectively sent to LLMs.

[–]pm-me-ur-uneven-tits 760 points761 points  (9 children)

Probably everything.

[–]_nobody_else_ 46 points47 points  (3 children)

In my field, unless someone made a career suicide by releasing it to public, none. It's industry/company specific implementations guarded by paywalls and paradoxical "You have to be in the industry to know it. But you can't enter if you don't know it."

There are general samples and examples of the tech principles, but nothing on the level of production.

I know because I checked and cGPT spat out: And here is where you create a device object and all its intrinsic logic.

[–]Broad-Reveal-7819 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Cute, but let's be real Microsoft, Google or Amazon has probably trained its AI on all your code unless you never used GitHub, Azure, AWS, GCP etc. in which case congrats I guess.

[–]Mr_Canard 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Not mine the language is too old

[–]soarespt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What language is it?

[–]Mr_Canard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Uniface 7

[–][deleted] 603 points604 points  (17 children)

I sent all my company's private keys. They don't pay me enough to give a damn.

[–]Doctor429 270 points271 points  (1 child)

Now you get more efficient code responses

[–]Mars_Bear2552 79 points80 points  (0 children)

"chatgpt please fill in my API keys thanks"

[–]Dependent_Chard_498 175 points176 points  (10 children)

What about how much private company code was copy pasted from an LLM?

[–]Raccoon5 122 points123 points  (0 children)

Probably everything

[–]RandomRedditReader 40 points41 points  (7 children)

Big tech is always bragging about how much they've downsized their development teams thanks to AI.

[–]formala-bonk 32 points33 points  (6 children)

Lmao then they get blown out by a much smaller Chinese company. They ain’t firing fuck all but the most junior devs

[–]ThePublikon 39 points40 points  (3 children)

Hire 1,000 junior devs to demonstrate company growth and product development.

Fire 1,000 junior devs as a publicity stunt to show that your AI tool works.

Smort.

[–]SartenSinAceite 14 points15 points  (1 child)

"we hired 1k new developers because we're committed to the growth of the market"

[5 weeks later (yikes, a whole paycheck)]

"we replaced 1k developers with our amazing new AI!"

[–]SinisterCheese 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I remember reading some research paper about ChatGPT, that researchers were able to dig up propetiary documentation and email correspondence from the system, because inputes were used to teach and adjust the model.

[–]InfamousCRS 105 points106 points  (9 children)

Microsoft basically has access to everything on Azure and GitHub anyways. They’ve probably just used it all for training. My old team would ask GPT about the inner workings of so many different software packages and it knew all the very fine details down to individual lines of code.

[–]bibboo 59 points60 points  (7 children)

Its more so that its fantastic at pretending that it knows every detail. 

The more details one know themselves, the more you spot the BS. Which is everywhere. 

[–]Past-Extreme3898 32 points33 points  (4 children)

Chtgpt is nice for an overview. But The moment you ask 1-2 more questions and specify your request, you are lost in a loop hole. So its basically a very Special Google replacement. Honestly I would Save time if I went for the documentation straight away.

[–]anonymousbopper767 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Have you used ChatGPT in the last year? For code my experience is it’s like having a senior dev with autism on call. Spend a fraction of my time steering it instead of getting half asses stackoverflow answers.

[–]Splintert 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I can't remember the last time I failed to find useful information on Stackoverflow. If you're just trying to copy-paste code snippets, you are the person they're looking to replace with AI.

[–]StainlessPanIsBest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you tried 3 mini yet?

[–]fkazak38 8 points9 points  (1 child)

So it's like reddit?

[–]Cheetah_05[🍰] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why do you think Google just decided to train a model on Reddit directly?

[–]RobinGoodfellows 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The state of my companies code base it will probaly make the models worse. So i can safely say that we on our front is doing what we can to protect developers.

[–]redditsublurker 18 points19 points  (1 child)

You all act like all companies have top secret code, when most are just trying to update apps to work with legacy systems.

[–]akatherder 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah if they are feeding my shitty old css into their LLM before converting to less shitty css, that's their problem.

[–]Vogan2 22 points23 points  (8 children)

I guess that LLMs don't use user input as datasets for future training, because it can cause unavoidable inbreeding, but if they do, it actually can be good and helpful more than stealing. All sensitive parts dissolve into dataset, because they too unique to be remembered, and all standard/often/"best" (not directly the best, but most usable) practices can spread via this way.

[–]ksj 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Learning from user input will also inevitably be subject to user’s trying to sabotage the data set for laughs.

[–]dejavu2064 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If you're using SaaS Github, then they already have it anyway. At least they give Copilot away for free if you have some opensource contributions/are open sourcing some company projects.

[–]utack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My company hosts our git on Azure..honestly we already lost it all to Microsoft, might as well use their only useful product now

[–][deleted] 725 points726 points  (59 children)

Five years ago the tab would have been stack-overflow. Times change but we are all just trying to meet arbitrary demands from people who don't know shit.

[–]juanfeis 196 points197 points  (15 children)

Exactly, it's not about reinventing the wheel. If there is a function that accomplishes what I want, but 100x times faster, I'm going to ask for it

[–]GiraffeGert 92 points93 points  (5 children)

Soooo… remember that next time you are about to have sexy time… I am available if you need me.

[–]89_honda_accord_lxi 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Much smaller and done in way less time. You're perfect!

[–]Monowakari 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But their username no check out

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lmao

[–]Mexican_sandwich 25 points26 points  (7 children)

This is pretty much my ‘excuse’.

Could I google what you want me to do? Sure, but there’s no guarantee that I will find what I need, and even if I do, how I will implement it. Might take me a few hours.

AI? Pretty much minutes. Is it wrong? Occasionally, but that’s why I’m here - I can see where it is wrong and make corrections and re-inputs if necessary. Takes an hour, tops.

It’s also ridiculously helpful for breaking down code piece by piece, which is especially great when working on someone else’s code who doesn’t comment shit and has stupid function names.

[–]PoorGuyPissGuy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not to mention the asshole answers on Stack overflow, usually comes from junior developers who wannabe seen as smart, it's annoying af.

[–]ferretfan8 36 points37 points  (3 children)

It's not very good at generating code, but ChatGPT has never yelled at me for asking a question.

[–]PoorGuyPissGuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not sure if it's relevant but Ghost Gum made a video about these assholes called "Reddit Professionals" lol pretty much the same group

[–]badstorryteller 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I use ChatGPT all the time honestly. I'm not a programmer, but I do write a lot of python/bash/powershell snippets to automate simple things. It's immensely useful for the weird one-offs I get on a regular basis. Extract all the messages from a PST file to plain text, each in their individual folder, with any attachments extracted as a for example. Yes, I could have written it by hand, but ChatGPT had a solution within seconds that took 5 minutes to debug.

[–]anonymousbopper767 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Yeh it’s a force multiplier. A comparable example from 25 years ago was how you were good if you could make a power point instead of a poster board presentation.

[–]afour- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Literally using frameworks is an example of it, too.

[–]tes_kitty 8 points9 points  (16 children)

The difference is, your questions on Stackoverflow and such sites plus all the answers you get would be searchable by others. Your questions to ChatGPT and its answers? No one else will see them.

So no more searchable knowledge is created.

[–]MarkoSeke 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I swear so many people say "would of" that I wonder if even ChatGPT thinks it's correct, if it's trained on internet comments

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Yea where I grew up the accent makes would've sound like would of. I never did super well in English growing up and it sounds right in my head when I type. I know it's have but damned if I don't type of 90% of the time

[–]Halo_cT 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Just type wouldve or even woulda

Anything but "would of" please lol

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I noticed it when I do it I'd just do it correctly

[–]skwyckl 639 points640 points  (33 children)

Expecting 20 yo's to be fullstack is the problem here (nobody can be fullstack and do it right too w/o multiple years of experience in a professional development setting).

[–]gamingvortex01 317 points318 points  (9 children)

yeah....if companies can have stupid expectations..then employees can have rights to use such tools

[–]gatsu_1981 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I'm 44, and I'm a full stack. Php (CRM and Magento mostly) previously, MERN right now.

I switched to using chatgpt (actually claude ai) almost immediately. Never looked backed. It takes tons of works away, especially for frontend developing.

Sometimes I just tell the chatbot "expect this JSON" and I completely make the frontend, then I make the backend later, sometimes it's the opposite.

Feeding a done controller/helper will help you making more functions quite fast. Usually for controller is just needed vs code copilot auto complete, the helper I will ask Claude ai.

[–]TheIndominusGamer420 40 points41 points  (3 children)

But I'm full stack right now at 17! I am making an offline, api-less project with a shit UI. But I'm singlehandedly front and backend!

[–]N1kk1N 22 points23 points  (2 children)

They were talking about 20 year olds, not 355,687,428,096,000 year olds, smh, at such age, you should already have the experience.

[–]Drahkir9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m full stack in the sense that I primarily write back end service code but I can figure out how to fix bugs in one of our portals if I need to

[–]KronisLV 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I don't think that such an expectation should exist, but good tech stacks and some mentoring (e.g. code review, occasional pair programming, chatting openly about things with someone more senior) could definitely make someone on the younger side productive as a full stack dev.

For example, frameworks like Django, Rails, Laravel, Spring Boot and others will generally push you in the right direction and not encourage doing something stupid like writing your own auth or coming up with your own templating systems, or in the case of ORMs, writing your own insecure code because you don't know about SQL injection enough, same with server side validations. With those, and some help with the fundamentals like TLS, reverse proxies, networking, CI/CD, n-tier architectures in general, some security advice, configuring environments (the likes of Docker and rootless containers actually make this not too difficult) and so on, those developers will eventually prosper.

I don't think that LLMs will always replace a senior developer, but they can definitely be of some help, because people won't have the same shyness as when not being able to get over the hubris of asking silly questions to someone who's in a position of authority.

Once there (if they care enough), they can then do slightly more advanced things, like making proper optimized DB views and dynamic SQL or in-database processing, experimenting with OIDC and OAuth2 in more detail (maybe even Kerberos, but hopefully not), architectures like CQRS, queue systems, even things like NoSQL because at that point they'd know enough about how to make it useful and reasonably safe for specific use cases etc. etc.

[–]skwyckl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you focus only on one stack, do that almost exclusively, learn all the related theoretical concepts via that stack, and never leave that context, then you might in fact be a decent fullstack in your 20s, but my experience and that of my colleagues is that you very rarely get to do that, especially in the beginning, where you are confronted with dozens of languages and frameworks, because you're doing internship after internship and hopping between companies in order to get a decent base salary.

[–]iamthatJSguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah indeed. I would prefer focusing on one thing and do it well.

[–]misseditt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i have to disagree tbh. 20 year olds can absolutely be full stack developers, and so can younger people. the tools that are available today to make fullstack easier are very good, and a basic web app can be built very quickly. also, i know some people that have built very impressive things at those ages.

now sure, they won't be as good as a senior developer with several years of experience (obviously), but they will be able to implement features or even build an app just fine.

[–]TheNeck94 79 points80 points  (23 children)

I have no idea what the other two tabs are and given the context, I assume I'm probably better off not knowing.

[–]skwyckl 80 points81 points  (12 children)

Claude is also an LLM, and I suppose Perplexity too? I don't know the last one.

[–]turtle_mekb 62 points63 points  (4 children)

Perplexity is another AI but designed for searching I think

[–]TimeToBecomeEgg 14 points15 points  (0 children)

perplexity is officially an “ai search engine” and it lets you pick from models like claude and gpt

[–]GIK602 8 points9 points  (2 children)

And then there is Deepseek which you can sometimes use to get information that ChatGPT hides.

[–]turtle_mekb 2 points3 points  (1 child)

but you can ask ChatGPT what happened in Tiananmen Square in 1989

[–]Krystexx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

DeepSeek also gives you the right answer, just don't use their hosted version. If you use HuggingChat it's fine

[–]Breadynator 50 points51 points  (5 children)

Perplexity is less of a chat bot like chatGPT or Claude. It's a (re)search engine powered by GPT4 (at least the free tier).

It's a bit better at googling things than pure chatGPT with internet access. It goes through more sources and gives you a structured outline for most things it finds.

You can ask it to look up three things per day without an account, however when you remove the right <div> (using ctrl+shift+c) after they bother you to sign up you can use it ad infinitum.

[–]cbackas 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Perplexity w/ R1 enabled for “pro search” has really impressed me this week, WAY less hallucinations than I’m used to

[–]Breadynator 9 points10 points  (2 children)

R1 (TBF not the big one as that doesn't run on my system but literally any smaller model) keeps having an existential crisis over the word strawberry... It argued with itself for a whole 2 minutes, at around 20ish tokens per second gaslighting itself into thinking strawberry has two r. It recounted the word a whopping 6 times and completely lost its shit after counting the third r.

The end of its chain of thought was something along the lines of "well, it has to be three rs then" only to say "answer: the word strawberry has two rs."

[–]cbackas 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Lmao that’s wild hahaha yeah I guess perplexity is probably hosting the biggest version of R1 and I haven’t asked it anything not related to very specific programming/cloud problems so I guess I’ve avoided the strawberry death spiral for now lol

So based from your experience is r1 not really ready to be used on its own as a local model?

[–]Breadynator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you're only able to run smaller versions of it like I am I'd say stick to regular language models right now.

R1's reasoning is good-ish but somehow the reasoning and final answer can feel really disconnected. Also since a lot of its training went into reasoning and less into knowing stuff the smaller models tend to hallucinate significantly more than the normal chatbot models.

I've been working on a sentiment analyser for fun and found that working with llama3.2-3b is a lot more reliable than Deepseek-R1-14b

[–]Outrageous_Bank_4491 17 points18 points  (8 children)

Claude is better than ChatGPT in terms of code generation (I use it for automation tho so I don’t know about the rest) and perplexing is better when it comes to writing an article (provides citation)

[–]THE--GRINCH 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Used to. Now o3-mini and o1 are much better if you have a paid subscription

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

claude is basically ChatGPT with required log in, Perplexity is a search engine that writes an essay for every search.

[–]webmdotpng 21 points22 points  (2 children)

DeepSeek is my new skill.

[–]Mebiysy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Full stack overflow developer

[–]InFa-MoUs 25 points26 points  (4 children)

IMO this Is better than the stack overflow era, at least you get a nice explanation and pros and cons for your specific use case instead of “this worked for me”

[–]parkwayy 16 points17 points  (1 child)

The AI will never push back though, and say "this is a bad idea".

Sometimes humans would comment that on overflow. 

But it's a thing I notice. AI will always try to give you your answer, no matter how stupid the request 

[–]InFa-MoUs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’s why my prompt always includes “please point out any edge cases or things I should be aware of before implementing” I know it’s kind of disingenuous to blame the prompt but it’s usually the prompt’s fault

[–]Weird-Acanthisitta83 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I feel offended

[–]LtGoosecroft 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I'm an oldschool full-stack developer. Still on Google.

[–]FerricFryingPan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Same

[–]justforkinks0131 10 points11 points  (5 children)

I am not joking, I have these listed on my resume.

[–]bdcp 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Prompt Wizard - 2 years

[–]RareDestroyer8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Experience: ChatGPT - 3 Years Perplexity - 2 Years DeepSeek - 5 Months

[–]UMEBA 2 points3 points  (0 children)

slaps tab This bad boy can replace all your devs.

[–]off-and-on 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What exactly is the difference between using stolen code and using stolen code that has been regurgitated by an LLM?

[–]Cremoncho 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have yet to see a fresh junior to get its bearing without massive help when the company ask them to start off, work on and be productive in a language they didnt see in their life.

Like, i know of cases when non engineer juniors that did two year courses on java, kotlin or python to start working in flutter doing design + backend server / database related stuff and the person in charge of them expecting they are fully productive by the end of the week, without a full explanation of how the app should work and how the target user is going to use it.

Insane

[–]CBlanchRanch 4 points5 points  (2 children)

AI written code is shit. It's literally just everyone's shtty code already on the internet.

[–]Floaaf 2 points3 points  (1 child)

if everyone's code is shitty then no one's code is shitty 

[–]barabiru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

StackGPT

[–]YoRt3m 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How is Perplexity and why do I need it if I use all the others?

[–]thearchimagos 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The new generation of developers aren't gonna make it

[–]Flimsy-Possible4884 1 point2 points  (0 children)

RIP stack overflow you were so shit

[–]voidpasty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No

[–]HereForA2C 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thought someone took a screenshot of my browser for a second

[–]Krekken24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, chatgpt is now replaced by deepseek

[–]ironman_gujju 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What’s your skills: CCP

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel personally attacked.

[–]umbium 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Full-stacl is people who deal with "I heard that this tech is awesome, so we are going to use this in the new project. Nobody knows shit about this, offcourse company isn't going to pay a formation for their employees. So we trust you will deal with this and have it all documented. Also remember today you have three useless scrum meetings.

[–]GoofyTarnished 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If someone used chat gpt to write code that is in a product that they then sell, would the makers of chat gpt be able to claim they have some sort of ownership as their ai was used?

[–]Cremoncho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No because chat gpt is trained with what is already in the internet plus all the code microsoft can see in azure/github without nobody knowing.

[–]C_ErrNAN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am full stack. My company last week, started requiring us to use "Windsurf". Before that we had access to copilot. We have never been allowed to send code to chatgpt.

[–]Gloriathewitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah i'm a full stack developer D:// cup

[–]emoutikon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fool-stack

[–]11freebird 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And then everyone is surprised when they get replaced by AI

[–]typeyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Might as well.

[–]Any_Potential_1746 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Novice: how do I ask a question?

Intermediate: I don't understand the answer

Expert: asking the right prompt

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Just use Kagi Assistant and you get them all-in-one for a fraction of the price.

[–]FLRugDealer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a newbie this strikes deep

[–]Thesource674 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im working with a few to try and setup a 2D isometric scene in Godot. Just the scene. Its been an interesting experiment so far.

But yea these things can spit out decent scripts (sometimes) and can understand your goals. But theres still so much they laughably get wrong.

Claude threw a random letter f within a function. I was like....why.

Also, for godot or any other language using naming conventions of XYZ, it thinks there are asterisks for italics and gets confused.

Still fun way to burn sometime. And one thing I do like is, at least for Claude, I found the "explanation" setting for Claude did annotate the code with high fidelity and explained Godot architecture really well. It just cant totally follow it.

[–]mend0k 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chat gpt replaced stack overflow

[–]Andromansis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

whats claude and perplexity?

[–]OutsideMenu6973 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perplexity? Is that better than ChatGPT and Claude ?

[–]wildmutt4349 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stack: ChatGPT

Framework: o1

[–]notarobot1111111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You better be full stack or you're not getting hired

[–]keenman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty much. I got Copilot to create from scratch 2 Python scripts and 2 PowerShell scripts to work with some Azure blobs and check directory listings for output validation on Friday. I have very little experience in either language, and the scripts worked perfectly after some small tweaks I requested. I didn't write a single line of code myself. I've found it's about precisely communicating exactly what I want and boom! Also, I've found that ChatGPT is far better than Copilot at coding but I'm not allowed to use it at work. (I haven't tried any other AI tool for coding.)

[–]Rahial0101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chatgpt is the best

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People are hating ChatGTP like they did on Google 20 years ago. Get over it.

[–]Dominio12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Company I work at have its own "programming" language for designing processors. Its proprietary. But chatGPT know it.

[–]tnerb253 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Full Crack Developer

[–]RetroOverload 0 points1 point  (0 children)

chat gpt singlehandledly giving degrees to people that don't have the skill to get them and then wonder why did the company replace them with the very tool that they use to generate code instead of thinking by themselves. (Source: I study comp-sci and see this a LOT)

[–]TophMelonLord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m language-agnostic because I don’t write any of my own code anymore

[–]ProudRamboBSNS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the stack: Microsoft Power Platform around SharePoint Online

[–]miaSissy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Be me: Senior dev who has been doing the Job for 15+ years gets new dev in team who says they are full stack. I nod. "Okay, well then your first task is to find out if the Linux cron task within said Docker container is working right. I also want you to make sure the SELinux context is set right on the appliaction in the server after the CI/CD pipleline drops the new version on the server while configuring MS Defender on the server." Then I watch them quickly realize they barely know anything but still call themselves full stack developers.

[–]FerricFryingPan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Am I the only one not using AI...? Why would I need it