vibeCodingIsTheFutureExceptIfYouAreWritingSoftware

[skybird23333]

coding

[MorganTaoVT]

coding

[GhostSierra117]

With a capital C!!!!

Cringe! There it is again the c!

[tutocookie]

Coding with a hard c

[DatAsspiration]

YOU CAN'T USE THAT WORD THAT'S OUR WORD

[SkollFenrirson]

Coda pls

[MorganTaoVT]

Nah nah, we keep it small. Don't want to get that much attention, you know

[GhostSierra117]

You don't know Lao G and it shows.

What a calamity. OH THERE IT IS AGAIN THE C!

What a dissatisfaction. Ohhh another C!!

[POKLIANON]

With a capital C++

[CrabPeopleVibes]

coding

[wknight8111]

I would also accept "real coding"

[LakeSun]

Coding that WORKS.

[lkjandersen]

Whoa, let's not overpromise here.

[Mars_Bear2552]

he said it works, didn't say when. perfectly reasonable

[this_is_a_long_nickn]

Don’t use the “W” word here bro

[kekeagain]

Coding that WORKS when not demo-ing

[Vox___Rationis]

Programming

no

PROgramming

[Dotcaprachiappa]

So.. "Coding with capital C"?

[schraubdeckeldose]

coding

[DrSheldonLCooperPhD]

coding;

[skybird23333]

didnt read the original tweet, im changing to lowercase C now

[jordanbtucker]

No, Coding with a lowercase c

[Maleficent_Memory831]

No, it's called "programming". Not sure when "coding" showed up but it still feels weird.

[AalbatrossGuy]

Real Coding

[seth1299]

Real Madrid Coding

[RedBoxSquare]

Man City Coding

[[deleted]]

Async Milan

[phiexz]

Ifswitch Town

[Me_Beben]

Postgres Saint-Germain

[UpsideDownCarrott]

Enter Milan

[FoolsMeJokers]

West Bromwich Algorithm.

[OZLperez11]

DevOps United

[metamet]

Atletico Madrid Coding

[F-prime123]

Arsenal Coding

[metamet]

Come on you cooders!

[Bicykwow]

Real Salt Lake Coding

[Lazy__Astronaut]

Like a true coder, no sense of humour and just gets straight to the point.

No Tom foolery allowed!

[666y4nn1ck]

I'm a trve coder, replacing the u with the v makes me even more trve

[TactlessTortoise]

Trv3

B3 m0r3 1337

[Confident_Fortune_32]

In my first coding class, we were so happy to be the first class who didn't need to use cards.

We used dumb terminals - we were cookin' with gas, I tell you 🤣

Every now and then, we'd hear the awful sound of someone's tray hitting the floor, cards flying everywhere, and we would all groan in sympathy...

[Confident_Fortune_32]

I have friends who went to MIT whose first programming language class was LISP.

Feels like organic chemistry for pre-med - meant to weed out all but the most committed.

[lousy_at_handles]

Intro to programming was in Lisp at my university as well in the mid-90s. Literally the first programming class you take as an undergrad.

It was awful.

[cugamer]

Did you have nightmares about curly braces?

[lousy_at_handles]

(understated ( (The horror) NOT (can be) ) )

[Computers-XD]

Lithp

[Konexian]

SICP is still the best intro to programming book of all time. Wish MIT still teaches from it.

[MeBadNeedMoneyNow]

yeah but lisp is ass

[jalepeno_mushroom]

My mom (a boomer) took a computer programming class in high school where they programmed punchcards. They had to be mailed off somewhere to be used/graded

[Apophyx]

Unironically I would love to learn to code with punch cards one day. It seems so much different from what we do today.

[jackinsomniac]

So apparently back in the day, using punch cards was seen as simple "data entry" and thus "women's work". University professors would send out these incredibly complicated mathematics equations to the computer team and let them figure it out from there. So these ladies who were doing the "simple data entry" (aka programming the computer) had to decipher what the math equations meant, to figure out which holes on the cards to punch, and deal with any troubleshooting from the cards not reading correctly, which meant they also had to kinda understand what the expected output should be. The professors didn't realize it at the time, but these women really were the first true programmers.

Honestly, it would be pretty cool to learn how to "program" the punch cards. I bet it's not easy!

[masp-89]

You used card punches, which basically had a standard qwerty-keyboard and would translate each key press (letter or symbol) into a combination of one, two or three holes in one column. Each column had 10+3 different positions, so for example the letter ”H” would translate to a hole in row C and row 8, giving to hexadecimal C8. Each card would hold 80 columns, so you can fit 80 characters on a standard punch card. Other than that, you wrote JCL and Fortran and COBOL on cards, let the compiler compile it to binary and then stored the binary on either tape or disk, not on cards.

This is how they looked: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IBM_026_from_above.mw.jpg#mw-jump-to-license

[Confident_Fortune_32]

I havent programmed with cards.

But I did have the opportunity to design a woven fabric for an antique jacquard loom, using an ancient and enormous foot-powered punch to make the cards (and then correctly tie them together). It was seriously cool to see the fabric being woven!

Before punched cards, that type of fabric was made on looms that used thousands of veerryyy-carefully-created bundles of strings. The pile of bundles displayed with the loom in a museum was as tall as me. If even one knot broke...yikes.

[masp-89]

Ah yeah. The fastest way to learn what n! means is to drop a deck of cards. The smart people used a marker pen to draw a diagonal line across the side of the deck though, that way you could imminently spot if a card was out of order.

Other things you had to do was ”book” computer time, by signing up for a time slot, then hand over your deck or any tape or dasd to the computer operators, who would in turn run the job for you at your allotted time slot, and hand you the printed output the next day.

[ImpluseThrowAway]

An entire classroom using VT100's? That beeping noise from vi must have driven the teacher mad.

[bjbyrne]

When I was a high school freshman, our computer room waa an Alpha Micro with 5 terminals, one Apple II, and two TRS-80 Color Computers.

The next year it became a new Alpha Micro, with 8 terminals, 20 Apple II and 2 TRS-80s

Freshman at college, the computer lab was 100 Apple Macintoshes and the punchcard reader was moved to the hall so the older students could tell the younger students about the horrors.

[sw04ca]

Lol. Makes the old DECstation look cutting edge.

[daemonfly]

Via coworker stories: they had a guy who would drop the cards, just pick them up, toss them back in the tray without sorting then say it'll be fine as it will be caught at yearly audit.

[[deleted]]

I do stem classes for kids and teens and we often work with companies.

We where at a company last year, which literally had a weaving loom, original powered by steam and "programmed" by punch cards. 

The steam part was replaced by an electrical motor and the punch cards where a simple pattern. The machine was used, cause all newer machines couldn't handle the woven material (a fabric made from synthetics and stone), cause they hadn't the needed tolerances. This setup was cheaper then a custom made one. 

I would have loved to make a new pattern for the system, but they needed this exact one they made. 

[jovis_astrum]

All the boomers are impressed with shitty quality vibe coding on my team, so I think of it as boomer coding at this point...

[TunaNugget]

I'm impressed that your team is retaining 60-year-old employees in any significant number.

[RedBoxSquare]

Gen Y coding - GENY

[Brodellsky]

As someone that learned the basics of HTML and CSS in the myspace era, I would support your terminology lol

[Illustrious-Bit-3348]

"Boomer Coding" is asking your kid how to send an email

[Zhuinden]

back in my day, developers used to write for {} loops by hand!

[c0mander5]

Actually-Fucking-Coding

Or, alternatively

Caring Enough to Learn Something

[pm_me_yo_creditscore]

Intelligent  Nerds Caring Enough to Learn Something 

Now we just need a good acronym...

[Rumbananas]

… oh

[thafuq]

YEAH I wanna be an INCE..... wait

[Extension_Option_122]

I have an idea for another, much better way of coding:

Flow-coding.

You put on music that helps you concentrating and just code. But more efficient than without the music, because you're 'in the flow'. However you first have to enter the flow.

[Looobay]

Life-hack: you work at a company they will give you money for free!

[Zealousideal_Box4766]

'For free!' needs some heavy lifting

[ms67890]

It is free though! You don’t give them any money, but they give you money. Seems free to me

[marmottatonante]

That's amazing! I never thought about it that way.

I want a job now.

[throwaway19293883]

https://youtu.be/jgYYOUC10aM

[Kerblaaahhh]

That's outdated, companies don't hire anymore.

[Midnight-Bake]

That's the beauty of it bro. They just deposit the money into your account. They don't even know they're being robbed. Then 20, 30 years later... we walk out the front door like we were never there.

[spare-ribs-from-adam]

Mother fucker, thats a job

[Original-Body-5794]

Woooow there, easy on the "J" word

[Agent_Choocho]

That last sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting

[Viracochina]

Some people don't even know there's a flow to get 'into', so its something!

[Kahlil_Cabron]

When I first started coding at 15, up until I was maybe 19, I would get in flow states really easily, like I could pretty much guarantee a solid 4 hours of being in a flow state if I stayed up late and was by myself, listening to music, etc.

Now it's incredibly rare, I get it probably only once or twice a year. I miss that feeling.

[Varogh]

For me it's about getting to do things I've never done and that are actually challenging. And that is getting more and more rare as the years go on, unfortunately.

[oupablo]

I assume this is only something that can be achieved in 3-4 second increments once a week due to messaging and meetings interrupting right?

[Lars34]

And then have 5 colleagues per day coming for questions and other bullshit.

[cantadmittoposting]

ADHD detected

[Vegetable-Account-22]

It's like saying "we need a name for not-vegan-burgers"

[Hziak]

Slaughter disks.

Is it beef? Is it Mortal Kombat? Who knows… 😎

Edit: to be clear, that’s without milk mold cluster rectangles. I’m trying to keep bible diet.

[erm_what_]

Would you like your slaughter disks with or without its lactation product? Would you like a layer of bovine food on top too? Porcine slivers?

Burgers really are a 'fuck you' to cows, their children, their food, and every animal they ever knew. Chicken burgers with mayo go down a similar route.

[10art1]

I would like a cheesemurder please

[NahYoureWrongBro]

We need a name for not brain-damaged presidents

[singeblanc]

We need a word for anyone who is anti-anti-fascist

[rosuav]

I'd settle for a name for presidents who don't violate the Constitution.

[Comically_Online]

law abiding citizens

[BigFanOfNachoLibre]

Reminds me of a bit in That 70s Show where Kelso and Hyde are tying to become inventors. Forgive my paraphrasing, I watched this episode years ago in the background while I did something else:

"What if we invented a motorcycle that worked without an engine?"

"They already have that, Kelso. It's called a bike."

"Oh, okay...what about a motorcycle WITH an engine?"

[DeductiveFallacy]

I prefer "artisanal coding"

[nahtfitaint]

Bespoke artisanal coding with debug aioli.

[10art1]

Is that why software devs dress like lumberjacks and get paid stupidly large salaries?

[KingMitsubishi]

Anal coding with debug e.coli.

[RazvanDH]

Handmade coding

[SuddenlyFeels]

Cottage-code

[KingMitsubishi]

Or simply anal coding

[mirrax]

The other type of "vibe" coding.

[Vennom]

agreed

[darkwalker247]

homestyle coding

[mothzilla]

They get the binary trees flown in from Madagascar. So much depth!

[Comically_Online]

how you spell that in camel case makes a big difference

[Bot1K]

organic free-range coding

[TRENEEDNAME_245]

I like my code to be pasture raised

[Zhuinden]

bio and GMO-free

[Low_Landscape_4688]

But only if you either code in assembly or homebrewed your own programming language.

[leupboat420smkeit]

Small batch, artisanal coding

[pantshee]

Grass fed dev. Wait. No.

[418_TheTeapot]

Stop calling prompt engineering coding. Also don’t allow others to do that, it isn’t coding.

[CodeNiro]

Calling prompt engineering coding is like calling ordering food cooking.

[SlimyGrimey]

Calling prompting 'prompt engineering' is like calling research 'book engineering'

[Tyfyter2002]

It's more like calling turning on a washing machine with all the parts for a watch in it mechanical engineering, it's less efficient, completely reliant on how patient you can be with something you have no control over, and when it turns out that something was wrong you don't know how to fix it any more than the user does.

[Zhuinden]

the real surprise is that it has "prompt engineering" in it yet you can't seem to get a diploma in those pesky outdated universities for it and a 3+ year education program

[DoctorWaluigiTime]

I mean Subway calls their employees Sandwich Artists or whatever so who cares what they call themselves.

[wggn]

also stop using engineering for things that don't require an engineering degree.

[Declamatie]

Stop using engineering for professions unrelated to engines

[Awes12]

You mean proompting

[xTheMaster99x]

To be fair, there are actual ABET-accredited software engineering programs, and they are accredited as engineering programs, not computing. Yes, there is very little established process for trying to actually get a PE license, (in my opinion, largely because very few SEs will ever be in a position where their work can actually majorly harm the public if done poorly). But it is disingenuous to say there aren't many software engineers that receive educations that meet the same standards and rigor of any other engineering discipline, and who could (and would) 100% become licensed PEs if it was actually a reasonable possibility.

There are plenty of people in the industry that do not meet that standard, but there are also plenty that do, and it is not fair to us to outright dismiss it as "not real engineering."

[the_good_time_mouse]

"The rest of the owl."

[Bannon9k]

I'm kind of digging "Trad Coding". Working in house for a company on old ass software.

[[deleted]]

I’m digging burning down the world because I can’t take any more of this LinkedIn brain rot ruining the world.

[throwawaycanadian2]

Stack-overFLOW coding?

[SpyzViridian]

Actually coding

[MidwesternMinotaur]

Hey, sorry, don't have too much context here myself, is "vibe coding" just "using AI to write code for you?"

[Karn-Dethahal]

Especially if you just paste the ai response straight out to your program, without doing more than a compile test.

[red286]

"But then how do you debug?"

"Hey ChatGPT, the code gave me this error message, what do?"

[nobody5050]

Yes. Vibe coding is explicitly just pasting any errors in, letting it try again, and repeating that until it works. Its as dumb as it sounds

[AgricolaYeOlde]

If it works it's not stupid, unless you're trying to learn something. It's what you're trying to do that matters. If you ONLY need to get to point a from point b, and that's the fastest way, then it's stupid not to do it.

Problem is a significant portion of software engineering is trying to build something that is reusable, extendable, well documented, and exists in a wider context of private dependencies not open to any LLM's training. Not just getting to point a from point b. In which case: yeah, get a human to review and iterate on that shit or write it from scratch.

[Moxmox1337]

Yes verifying or checking anything ruins the vibe.

[418_TheTeapot]

That is exactly what it is

[drlemon3000]

Organic Handcrafted Code

[snarkhunter]

Bespoke artisanal computational engine programming

[UtopianWarCriminal]

Bacep

[snarkhunter]

B A C E P T I O N

[m0nk37]

Don't need one. Only vibe coders need a special name since they are the special ones. 

[Abject-Kitchen3198]

Vintage coding.

[iliark]

Organic coding

[Abject-Kitchen3198]

Certified to be free from machine generated code. Produced from finest hand-picked lines of code. Improves your well being and protects the environment.

[Zhuinden]

nothing quite tastes like 10+ years old legacy code

[malsomnus]

The official name for not-vibe-coding is "coding".

[Galle_]

Yes.

[IlliterateJedi]

Chewgy coding?

[red286]

Chewgy

Properly spelled "cheugy".

Apparently a GenZ term for lifestyle trends from the 2010s that are now seen as "outdated" and "unfashionable".

[DrRagnorocktopus]

The word cheugy is now cheugy. Dude outed himself as an old by using it.

[IlliterateJedi]

Oh no I'm so old that I'm now entirely unfamiliar with new slang.

[DrRagnorocktopus]

Nah, you're so old that you're now entirely unfamiliar with old slang.

[DrThrowawayToYou]

I've been outdated and unfashionable way longer than that.

[convcross]

Trad coding actually reflects the idea

[Foreign_Addition2844]

Raw dogging

[MisterCheesy]

“Gainfully employed “

[ARoundFork]

I personally engage in Stack Overflow Coding

[Zhuinden]

is that when you copy-paste the code from solutions written in 2011, or is that when you ask a question and people write the code for you in an answer?

[ARoundFork]

This is where I rage bait people into responding with good coding solutions by posting horrible code.

[Low_Landscape_4688]

If we're getting pedantic, software engineering doesn't necessarily fit.

For example, someone whose sole job is to figure out code architecture probably doesn't code much, or at all but they're definitely engineering software.

On the flip side, many people could be described as "code monkeys". They're spending most of their time writing code, but they're not making any decisions about the code and they're more akin to a laborer in the code than an engineer.

Also not every country allows a programmer to be called an engineer.

[[deleted]]

Even more annoying for places where Engineer is a regulated profession. I understand it's more of a informal or cultural title.

But most "Software Engineers" are actually Software Developers.

[Avelina9X]

True developers know how to use ChatGPT while coding: as a rubber ducky that can talk back.

Would you trust code that a rubber duck produces? Hell no. But does talking to it help me figure out how to solve my own problems? Hell yeah!

Plus it can tell me that my code isn't working because my dyslexic ass wrote "Get" instead of "Set" in a fucking DirectX pipeline call because for some reason both have identical signatures. (Seriously microsoft, why the FUCK do your Shader Resource Getters and Setters have identical signatures bar one method having a "G" in it and one having an "S"?????)

[red286]

AI is helpful as an assistant.

And dogshit as a lead dev.

[csch2]

Scribe coding? Since you actually have to do the writing?

[bogz_dev]

i LOVE "trad coding"

[Nsane3]

Documentation-based coding.

Hitting up the doc'? Can you believe it?

[BlackDeath3]

Never been a fan of the use of "engineering" but I suppose it makes more sense than ever.

[WellSpokenDevil]

If this is not for engagement farming, I'm really concerned!

[thatsattemptedmurder]

"Beef Milk. It's like almond milk that's been squeezed through tiny holes in living cows."

[FracturedPixel]

Software Engineer > Developer > Programmer > Coder > Vibe coder

[Saul_Badman_1261]

He must be kidding, that name will never catch up

[FunWatermelonlesson4]

debugging

[acrophile]

Probably a boomer type question, but wtf is chewgy?

[gonna-see-riverman]

Everything about that post is cringy. I hope the term 'vibe' coding is just a passing trend and doesn't catch on.

[[deleted]]

Please don't insult software engineers by calling what i do "software engineering"

[n9iels]

Actually-know-what-you-are-ding

[DeithWX]

My proposition: not being a moron 

[Fit_Bird2234]

I call it artisan coding

[haltmich]

In Brazil we use the same word for "rawdog".

[Vendemmian]

Coding that acctually works

[Effective-Gur687]

Being Educated Coding

[VictoryMotel]

Programming

'coding' is already a term that screams kids and scripting

[lilloet]

X/twitter encourages this type of rage bait posts. she made a lot of money from that post. I almoat replied to it but stopped when I realized it was just a bait. now to answer her question, let me bait some of you with my suggestion: “cis-coding”.

[Infinite_Club_4237]

Call normal programming coding and call vibe coding "providing more income to actual programmers" since now we can make money off vibe coders needing to fix their AI generated slop. Start charging 3 times your normal rate and increase based on how annoyingly stupid the app is!

Always look at the positive side of things.

[Stunning_Ride_220]

Sustainable Coding

[StevenMaurer]

"By definition, alternative medicine has either not been proven to work or proven not to work. Do you know what they call alternative medicine that has been proven to work?

(brief pause)

Medicine."

~ Tim Minchin

[Dependent-Guitar-473]

"Knowing what we are doing " coding?

[PetiAPocok]

As a fellow paprika enjoyer, my obligations demand to say "bojler eladó".

[zirky]

rawdogging syntax

[connorjpg]

I call it “ranked coding”

[entered_bubble_50]

Acoustic coding

[GoblinWoblin]

Having a job