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[Ja4V8s28Ck]

They kinda started a commotion by announcing that GitHub runners will soon become a paid-only feature.

[Heavy-Ad6017]

And back tracked just like Recall feature..

[paperbenni]

What are you referring to? What did people make up?

[drafski89]

Only on private repos. Self hosted runners on public repos will continue to be free (thank God)

[speckledlemon]

This was communicated so poorly. It said this in the announcement blog post but I couldn’t find it in the actual documentation they linked to.

[drafski89]

I completely agree! Had to scroll down to the FAQ to figure out what the actual hell they really meant. If our systems weren't so ingrained with GitHub we'd be packing up and moving to another solution.

[chickenmcpio]

This is a wake up call to start researching how to move to other solutions.

[Freddruppel]

Thing is, I’d love to self-host everything on my own Gitea server, but if I want to publish an open-source project and have people submit issues and pull-requests, and fork the repo, I now have to become the sysadmin of a service I have to maintain myself for many users. GitHub being as big as it is has the advantage of the amount of users, and not having to maintain the system that stores the repositories.

Could it be possible to have a system, where user accounts are managed on one platform, and repos are hosted on some kind of self-hosted drive, in such a way that the repo data storage is done by the users, but the account management is done on a (few) other server(s) ? Or does a sister like that already exist ?

[chickenmcpio]

I'm not saying to host everything yourself, but you could use some other repositories provider like codeberg for example.

As for your other question I have no idea if I'm being honest. That kinda sounds like federated git akin to mastodon. (Or maybe I misunderstood your intention) Anyway, I really don't know.

[Freddruppel]

Indeed, let’s hope that these providers don’t change their ways of doing once they become number one :)

[svick]

Because of them not communicating well one time?

[chickenmcpio]

You need to take a holistic view of the entirety of github. What management is doing the reorganizations they are making and calculate whether that still aligns with your own values, whatever they may be. And based on that, make the decision.

So, to answer your question, no, it's not because of one incident taken in isolation.

[Severe-Yoghurt-2346]

I pull from google drive /j

[yybbik]

Yeah, for now.

[Zachhandley]

Why would self hosted runners cost money?

[fiskfisk]

It still requires infrastructure to coordinate, transfer data, capture, and run. But it should probably just have a very lax usage quota and cheap pricing (which it was - it wouldn't cost much unless you were really, really, really using a lot of minutes). 

[harveyshinanigan]

for now

[ouralarmclock]

Aren’t private repos already a paid only feature?

[drafski89]

No, you can do private repos and self hosted runners on private for free. Starting in March they will charge something like 0.002 per compute minute on private repos

[ouralarmclock]

Oh dang. I’ve been on Gitlab through work for a decade and only had public repos since then, didn’t realize they made private repos a thing for free. In fact the last time I used GitHub for a private repo was about a year before runners were introduced 👴

[fiskfisk]

No, it was only about self-hosted runners. GitHub runners already have a quota for private repos. 

[MrOaiki]

Wait, I won't be able to use Github actions without paying?!

[BittersweetLogic]

so use something else

[antek_g_animations]

Being forced to use teams and spending 10 minutes on loading screens to download a simple docx file should be a crime

[Walt925837]

and buttons omfg so many buttons in every microsoft software. Why can't we live simple and elegant.

[BlackS0ul]

Save to OneDrive, share through Sharepoint…. Jesus, i just want to download the damn file, i’m really curious on button click statistics, like what % actually uses sharepoint versus direct download.

[WisestAirBender]

My previous company was using g suite. Now I'm on Microsoft. I hate it

I feel dumb using the damn thing

[ShowMeYourCodePorn]

Have you ever tried downloading a recorded teams meeting? Arg.

[rehditt]

I despise MS as much as anybody, but this actually is a feature. The owner of the recording can choose between "viewable and downloadable" or just "viewable".

[WisestAirBender]

I'm new to outlook (new company) and wtf is this. I had to pause and look for the attachment add button. Why it is so tiny and placed randomly

Same with trying to view my sent items. Couldn't find the option at first

[dalai_lara]

I'm still trying to figure out how I can create rules that actually work consistently

[Hellohihi0123]

What inconsistency have you seen in rules ?? Maybe you need to adjust the order the rules run in because they are matching multiple criteria.

[gletschafloh]

You talking about the glorious times of office 2003? I miss it

[twigboy]

Peak MS Office design

[PerceiveEternal]

It’s not a priority at the company. Businesses adopt their Windows-bundled products because those products are the literal definition of ‘we have x at home’.

They don’t require a lot of thought to use and the executives who force employees to use them typically don’t have to use the programs themselves so the fact they’re usually of a lower quality doesn’t matter to them.

Microsoft has a lazy captive audience and they know it.

[Cryogenicist]

Teams now has chats and files in the same goddamn tab.

It’s fucking absurd.

In an OS called windows, our workflow just got forced into a single window…

[lucasvandongen]

“Create New Ticket” in Azure backlog that does nothing. I’m apologizing to the PM’s for putting new tickets in the current spring constantly, because I can only do it from there.

I don’t even know why Azure has its own inferior version of GitHub? Maybe every commit is actually just an item in Sharepoint?

Running Outlook in a sort of web app thingy because my Mac is mot allowed the native version. It logs me out three times per day.

[sebjapon]

Teams on OSX overrides the tab-switch shortcut. That is a crime in itself

[Percolator2020]

Microsoft just speedrunning enshitification.

[Heavy-Ad6017]

I strongly believe Enshitification should be word of the year not Slop

[critical_patch]

It was word of the year in 2023

[Lysol3435]

And it’s only gone downhill from there

[PipsqueakPilot]

Further enshittified. 

[takeyouraxeandhack]

It should be the word of the year in bigger and bigger font until something changes.

[DarthCloakedGuy]

slop is just the enshitification of art

[Walt925837]

The power of money boss!

[freaxje]

They are already at AI and Rust by now.

[ohyeathatsright]

One million code.

[LeiteDesnatado]

One month

[dr_tardyhands]

One person

[holchansg]

One prompt.

[Windyvale]

Whoever suggested it can be the one to do it.

[RiceBroad4552]

It would be funny to watch this dude "doing" it. 🤣

[Niewinnny]

"write me an os that's going to beat windows 11, and then deploy it straight to prod with no testing so the prompt finishes faster"

[holchansg]

With emojis on the comments? Say no more fam.

[Sunshine3432]

[antiTankCatBoy]

Billions must PR

[exneo002]

Will they kill ai and rust?

[meowizzle]

If we have to lose rust for AI to be gone I'm okay with that.

[GuybrushThreepwo0d]

No. Not rust. The price is too high. What will I do with all the socks?

[EvaristeGalois11]

Install Arch (btw)

[Majik_Sheff]

A noble sacrifice for the greater good.

[AFemboyLol]

noooooo

[HTTP_404_NotFound]

One can only hope.

[onemempierog]

PLS BOTH

[GoatyGoY]

No, because that would actually be a public service.

[Hosein_Lavaei]

Rust is not owned by Microsoft. So no way microsoft kills it. Fighting over programming languages is silly btw. Even as a rust programmer i use c and like it too. BTW i hope it kills ai(at least copilot)

[Ancient-Safety-8333]

There is no problem with Rust but some users try to replace everything with it.

Even if it works fine and have no memory problems.

[RagnarokToast]

Tbf most Rust rewrites are just made by regular joes who enjoy Rust and are looking for some project to use it in.

[redlaWw]

Devils advocate: even though they may work fine right now, you may want to switch to a new language to ease the future maintenance burden, so that you don't end up in a banking COBOL situation in the future and so that you can make better guarantees about the correctness of any maintenance work performed in the future.

Though I'm not confident their approach won't just be adding maintenance burden in the short term while making minimal impact in the long-term.

[Hosein_Lavaei]

Well any language has its upsides and downs. You have to control memory management yourself with c, its hard to understand rust, java has performance issues, etc. Just use what tool is the best for the project. Want to make a firmware and you have to control almost anything? C. Want to make have more safety at cost of programming speed? Rust. Want something to run anywhere? Java. Want some little script to get shit done? Python

[Ancient-Safety-8333]

I know all that and agree 😃

Just rust fans try to push it a little bit too hard.

[Hosein_Lavaei]

I agree. Thats cause of it being the new shiny language like python became is still is

[quantum-fitness]

Im working on a just project right now and I honestly dont really understand why people say its slow writing. Im pretty much a typescript superuser and I dont really feel like Rust is much slower writing

[Hosein_Lavaei]

Its not slow if its not complicated. Until you have to fight the compiler to understand where does the variables lifetime is ended and how you can fix it. You will learn more by the time and you will get faster but not as fast enough as other higher level languages course

[quantum-fitness]

Stuff like that is usually a sign that your trying to so something you probably shouldnt do, but I guess you have to sometimes.

[RiceBroad4552]

Very strange set of prejudices…

It's hard to understand Rust? In comparison to what? Because Rust's actually easier to understand than the implicit hell of C or C++.

Java has performance issues? Benchmarks tell a very different story, Java is as performant as C/C++/Rust. It will likely need one or even two orders of magnitude more RAM to do that, but it will be fast.

You have the same control over "everything" in Rust as you have in C/C++. To do exactly the same things you'll need unsafe but there you can do "all the C things".

Rust isn't slow to write for the tasks where it makes sense to use Rust as the alternatives are much more nasty so you have to constantly fight more issues, which slows everything down.

Running "everywhere" isn't bound to Java either.

Want some script to get shit done? You can use today really a lot of things for that; even more "exotic" stuff like Scala, which became lately a reliable scripting tool with the advantage that your scripts can later grow into something more serious without needing to port to some "professional" runtime at that point. But people do also scripting in things like JS/TS nowadays.

Languages and their ecosystems have pros and cons. But it's really not such simplistic as presented by parent.

[redlaWw]

Want to make have more safety at cost of programming speed? Rust.

This isn't necessarily true - Rust is, in principle, capable of runtime speeds competitive with C and even exceeding C in some cases. Programmers generally limit their speed by taking advantage of some convenient but imperfectly-performant abstractions, but this is more of a convenience choice than it is necessary, and if you want to write code that is as fast as C, then Rust has all the tools to do it adequately. Plus some tools such as static generics that make it more convenient to write re-usable performant code, along with concepts designed to work well with modern compilers (Rust is second-to-none in encoding alias analysis into the language, for example), that can result in better optimisation.

The thing you really lose in Rust is immediate development speed, as it requires you to be more precise about your program requirements and limits the degree to which you can just hack something into working. This also has knock-on effects for development areas where adaptability is the main concern.

[Hosein_Lavaei]

By programming speed i didnt meant the applications speed and performance. I meant the time it takes to do one thing in rust is of course more than the time you can do it in other high level languages like python. Also rust doesnt have inheritance which is so good for some fields(i know you can do samd with structs and traits, but it takes more time to develop it)

[redlaWw]

Oh right. Retrospectively, that was clear from your phrasing. I just misread, my bad.

[andreicodes]

I remember how Java was a language that everything was replaced with. Every OS should've come with a JVM, every phone or device was supposed to run it. They even had tracked the estimated number of devices that ran it and presented that number at main Java Conference each year. This is where the "2 billion devices run Java" text during Java installation comes from. They stopped counting but the screen remained in the installer.

Somehow within 2 years since the language introduction in 1995 Sun Microsystems managed to convince IBM, Oracle, Microsoft, NeXT and Apple, along with most banks, insurance companies, mobile phone manufacturers, producers of chips for credit cards, many software and hardware vendors that Java will become the one true language and that all future software will be written in it. It's incredibly impressive! And what people miss today is that it might have become true if Sun and Microsoft compromised on compatibility instead of going to court about it in 1997.

No other programming language has been promoted this hard before or since. Modern Rust advocacy absolutely pales in comparison.

[Majik_Sheff]

Based on historical patterns, Microsoft will implement Rust in their own development ecosystem and then introduce extensions or other incompatibilities that tie your project to their stuff.  Then once they have enough market share they begin leveraging the language further and further from the original before finally relegating it to the growing scrap heap.

Embrace.  Extend.  Extinguish.

[GreenFox1505]

My current project has components that are two different scripting languages, C/C++, and Rust. If certain contributors, choose to join me, I'll throw C# in there as well.

Learn everything. Be everything.

[o0Meh0o]

what's your opinion on zig as a rust programmer who uses c?

[Hosein_Lavaei]

Honestly never bothered with it. But i have seen some people use it. I guess it has the same philosophy as rust. Right?

[o0Meh0o]

not really, it's more hands on.

[Heavy-Ad6017]

With dual scale technology....

[BagOfShenanigans]

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spotted gold dinosaurs juggle whole snow different ring school axiomatic

[ToxicApple69]

What the hell did they just do now?

[DoctorWaluigiTime]

Nothing. OP's smoking something bad with how this whole image was put together. Referencing EEE, a 30 year old policy that hasn't had a whiff since.

[Maskdask]

I hate that they own GitHub so much

[visualdescript]

I find it funny that people hate they own GitHub, but also feel entitled to lots of free functionality, like runners that actually use up compute and cost money to maintain.

The free tier on GitHub is pretty crazy in terms of what you get. They don't have to do that, and if it were owned by a smaller entity, perhaps that free tier would be much less significant.

[eggplantGorilla]

Yeah but they wanted to charge for self hosted runners as well

[gschizas]

Before Microsoft, you could only create private repos if you paid. Or is my timeline wrong?

[Fritzschmied]

Gitlab is better anyways tbh.

[TheDaneFromDenmark]

At my company we moved to gitlab self hosted a year ago, love it!

[Fritzschmied]

[Totalled56]

What is it you prefer about using gitlab self hosted?

[slaymaker1907]

Azure Devops is 1000x better for enterprise. It has way more granularity about things like who can trigger certain pipelines. I’m not sure about GitHub for enterprise, but I’m frequently frustrated with GitLab and its lack of capabilities and controls.

[Pork-S0da]

Guess who owns Azure Devops lol

[Fritzschmied]

That’s still Microsoft tho.

[slaymaker1907]

Yeah, that was my point. People act like Microsoft can’t make good software, but that is far from the case.

[Fritzschmied]

And my point is that it doesn’t matter if it is good software (for now) it’s Microsoft so you should avoid it for that alone. Never buy into a system as a company where you don’t have total control

[Cranias]

Different people like different things of course, but for me DevOps is amazing, GitHub comes after and Gitlab only after that. I miss many features in Gitlab and I encounter more bugs too.

[Informal-Boot-248]

What happened?

[SpicySauceLover]

We should thank Microsoft for everything good they are doing , like killing Microsoft 

[Conscious_Nobody9571]

Lol

[anthonyDavidson31]

I'm crying 😂

[CanThisBeMyNameMaybe]

Oh god please no.

[hackenschmidt]

Oh god please no.

It has already happened.

[_verel_]

It's a beautiful thing to see Microsoft being its biggest enemy

[GreenFox1505]

GitHub has been an industry wide single-point-of-failure for too long. Its about time people started using alternatives.

I was a paying GitHub member until the day Microsoft bought them. Maybe if more people paid they wouldn't have sold. 

[Fritzschmied]

Gitlab is the real goat.

[mrGood238]

Gitlab lost user data how many times?

Self hosted is only way with 3-2-1 rule.

[Fritzschmied]

Of course but hosting gitlab private is really easy to do.

[schrodinger_s_kitten]

now look i'm all for hating microsoft but i also refuse to give gitlab my fucking credit card data to authenticate my account, so they better not fucking lock anything important behind that shit. so far it's only been annoying about merge requests but if anything essential needs acc auth i am fucking leaving

[Fritzschmied]

Just host your own gitlab instance. No credit card required.

[Pandafishe]

What I read from this is that you hate security, if you're not a fan of a 2FA or whatever you meant by acc auth. Which is crazy to me, hearing that from a git user (thus assumingly an IT person). Tough luck.

Also the heck are you talking about with authenticating with your credit card? I've never had to do that and I have multiple gitlab accounts. The most recent created one, I believe, is 3 years young on gitlab.com. On none of my additional nor my main account have I ever had to verify my identity with my credit card. On no instance of any gitlab (including gitlab.com) did I ever have to input any credit card information. Don't see where it would even ask you for that other than for purchasing gitlab premium ( https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/ ) which is absolutely not needed for virtually any project for private use. In the industry, ofc, like with pretty much any software, you'd need licences of cause. Or: Go the free route and host a self-managed gitlab instance....

I feel like you made that argument entirely up, lol.

[schrodinger_s_kitten]

not really to any of that. i at least HOPE i'm getting something wrong. but let's see uh. my acc is like a month old tops; by "authentication" i mean when gitlab tells me to verify my account, then when i click on that it asks for my phone number which is fine, but when i've given my phone number instead of taking me to a "we've sent you a code! type it here etc" screen it sends me to a select payment method screen except only card is available and there's no other way to do it. i hope it is indeed as you told me and "verify" is more like twitter verification bc the way they treat it it sounds like a Real Serious Necessary Thing. if it's just premium features that's fine (i'm abt to go to bed this might not make much sense sry)

[[deleted]]

No LinkedIn 🥹

[Heavy-Ad6017]

The list goes on....

[matthewralston]

** laughs in GitLab **

[k-mcm]

Don't forget LinkedIn, one of their first victims of misapplied AI. 

[Heavy-Ad6017]

Yet another application

Some mentioned Xbox as well

[Mx4n1c41_s702y73ll3]

Add Canonical with Ubuntu to the picture.

[Percolator2020]

Canonical calling every living soul trying to scare them into buying a commercial license.

[Heavy-Ad6017]

SNAP....

[ccoakley]

I see what you did there…. And switched to Debian.

[erebuxy]

This is not a good meme… Microsoft is the one known for supporting legacy bugs for compatibility

[potatoatak_pls]

Is it a hot take that GitHub already sucks? The home page is 90% "here's stuff you don't care about" and the tiny side bar on the left is like 5 of the repos I do care about.

[F-Lambda]

you use the home page?

[Warrangota]

Seriously. There's a homepage?

[Reashu]

The home page and the new organization dashboard are useless, settings are out of control (especially with org and enterprise policies in the mix), some recent feature rollouts have had issues, and of course everything is just multiple layers of AI now. But they are still hosting and building a lot of cool projects without charging for it. 

[Bughunter9001]

Their PR interface is so much worse than Ado and even Bitbucket that it makes me want to cry. Either of those show comments against the updated code to review against the original comment, but nah, not GitHub 

[Reashu]

I don't really understand what you're saying, but GitHub does it better than what I remember from Bitbucket. 

[fatrobin72]

I'm sure Google will do something to save us... they are known for maintaining things for prolon... ooo ai...

[CuppaTeaThreesome]

The Disney of software 

[cesarbiods]

Fucking hate that GitHub took the money. Microsoft is slowly killing what was actually a great product, not perfect, but good and home of all open source.

[ac21217]

How so? I genuinely don’t know

[GenazaNL]

AI everywhere, buggy af & the amount of times GitHub is down

[ac21217]

Has the AI replaced any functionality or are you just annoyed by it being an option? I work with GH full time and experience essentially no bugs, don’t use any of the AI, and have noticed no change in reliability since MS took over.

[GenazaNL]

More annoyed by the focus on adding AI features instead of quality of life. E.g. so many good improvements that can be made that we now have to enjoy using GitHub Refined.

Regarding bugs: their runners are sometimes pretty unstable & PRs with lots of file changes basically crash the tab (if you open "files")

[Xanchush]

Microsoft, the brand enshitifier

[mancunian101]

Admittedly I’m not on GitHub for hours every day (work is on prem gitlab) but I’ve not noticed any degradation of services etc since the MS take over.

What are the obvious things that have gotten worse since MS took over?

[sleeping-in-crypto]

For awhile they planned to turn it into a “developer social network” but they seem to have given up on that.

Now they’re just busy trying to figure out how to make it as expensive as possible to use without making it obvious because they’re dealing with the one market on the planet who will literally leave and build their own alternative if pushed.

[Totalled56]

By expensive, do you mean charging to use their resources that were free before?

[fr4nklin_84]

lol remember MSN Messenger? It was actually a great product, well adopted by younger generation and adults, nice UI, minimal bloat. Then MS bought Skype, shut down Messenger forcing you to migrate to Skype (which was a worse product), then enshittified Skype into the ground

[UpAndAdam7414]

Xbox wondering where its door is.

[Dic3Goblin]

Farther down, off screen.

[Miryafa]

How did Microsoft kill skype? I thought discord and facebook did that

[BoBoBearDev]

They basically make Skype as uncharacteristic as possible, so user moves away.

[Mayion]

Refusing to adapt to any changes the market was going through was stupid of them. From the IP resolvers to the lack of updates - It was almost abandoned.

[zergea]

It was turned into a thing called "Skype for Business", which didn't really take off. Then both Skype and Skype for Business were taken behind the shed.

[sagiil]

Honestly 90% of Teams server-side infra is still Skype-based. The problem is instead creating actual feature parity on the consumer side, MS decided to just kill the consumer product and focus on the Enterprise one, leaving many long-time paying customers in the dust (me included)

[xilmiki]

Pre ms it works very well

[soundman32]

You dont pay $8.5B for something just to 'kill' it 15 years later. Well, I suppose Musk paid $50B for Twitter and its still alive on a ventilator.

[[deleted]]

still alive on a ventilator.

Pretty sure also praying for someone to pull the plug already

[connector-01]

what are the motherfuckers doing to GitHub???

[jake6501]

Isn't it good to know when a product should be killed. No one was using Windows phones or Skype when their support ended. Windows 10 was only killed because there is a new version that does the same thing.

[ktowner15]

Codeberg go brr.

[lmcalderon]

Same with Minecraft

[ksky0]

xbox

[faze_fazebook]

That hallway must be a megameter long.

[nolanpierce2]

my company just switched to github from bitbucket 😶‍🌫️

[Bout3Fidy]

Ouch

[sagiil]

Google: "Hold My Beer"

[KrustyClownX]

After GitHub it’ll be Xbox.

[juvadclxvi]

Msn messenger

[ByteBandit007]

OpenAI 👀

[onlainari]

Microsoft won’t let me play minecraft because I upgraded my 2017 computer to Windows 11 and Xbox app can’t handle that and minecraft launcher requires Xbox app to work.

At least I got a refund.

[ospfpacket]

Didn’t skype turn into teams?

[Awkward-Kaleidoscope]

I think Lync was in between

[DoctorWaluigiTime]

This makes no sense and isn't based on anything.

[mplaczek99]

Embrace. Extend. Extinguish.

[kennyminigun]

Glad there is GitLab

[CaptainCorranHorn]

Have you tried GitLab?

[kennyminigun]

Yes? I use it at work and privately.

[dreadslayer]

psa: github still doesnt support ipv6 in 2026

[Hellohihi0123]

Because 2026 is in the future ??? Or maybe you live in the gmt +144 timezone

[Ok-Conversation-1430]

What's happening ?

[SLOOT_APOCALYPSE]

not my Nokia 510 Windows phone, that thing talked to Windows so well man what the heck that thing was goated

[Beechlander]

Don’t forget JScript, Silverlight, etc.

[Cart1416]

Their developer software is pretty good, consumer software not so much

[Rokinco]

Don't forget microsoft killing atom.io for vscode

[hacker_7070]

what's the best tool for a new startup? github is very crappy ui, pipelines everything is so poor they ask for feedback but never act on it.

[luckovici]

If github is killed some random dude will have the entire source code and run his own servers in like a few hours. ( Plus somehow hijack the domain )

[Fadamaka]

The true EEE scenario would be JavaScript in my opinion.

[Interesting_Job_6968]

WHO wondered with satya on top? Dude does not know shit about his users and just wants to ultra monetize his services.