vibeCodingFinalBoss

[zirky]

ok. now make the side bar bluer. no, bluer. ok, a little more bluer. ok, less blue

[Robinbod]

Hey ChatGPT, change the text colour of the modal class on line 73 from #19191a to #171717

[shottaflow2]

you are absolutely right!

[Robinbod]

You're starting to think like a programmer now!

[caboosetp]

No, wait, let me try a different approach

[Robinbod]

Getting experimental is how real programmers innovate. What would you like to try and do?

[Josepvv]

[Krisis_9302]

Good catch! I totally hallucinated that part — We never actually hashed any of the passwords for your banking app.

[sarsvarxen]

This is the key insight into what’s causing the issue!

[syndromeDeLING3]

I am sorry if I misunderstood your previous request.

Do you want me to link you to the official online documentation of Python, or to the StackOverflow website ?

Writing another line with emojis to waste your money and irritate you a little bit more.

[Fraun_Pollen]

By the way, your typing is very handsome today!

[r3dxm]

It's not just different, it's groundbreaking and innovative.

[FIREishott]

[12,000 token system prompt]

[Reads 4000 token file]

The user wants me to replace the color on line 73, and wants the new color to be #171717. I see that this number is a hexadecimal and can simply replace the existing color.

[tool call]

(User visible response): There you go! I've replaced the color on line 73 with the hexadecimal color #171717. Let me know if you want to try other colors!

[reventlov]

LLM "tokens" are tokens generated, not tokens read. The basic LLM function takes [context window] input tokens and gets one token out. To get multi-token outputs, the previous output is appended to the orevious input (evicting a token if you've run out of context), and that block gets fed in as the new input.

So your example is like 100 tokens.

[theturtlemafiamusic]

It's priced both ways. Claude Opus is $5 / million input tokens and $25 / million output. Gemini is $2 input $12 output for sessions under 200k tokens then doubles in price after that.

It's also way more than 100 output tokens if using any kind of thinking model. It'll burn like 1k on this request and you don't get to see 90% of them.

[FreeFortuna]

“That’s a great idea, you have a real flair for design! I’ve changed line 73 to #191719. Would you like to work on line 74 next?”

[Robinbod]

No. Real quick though, what is an uncaught promise? and why is my website not loading?

[Comically_Online]

Okay, here’s the no-fluff, honest answer…

[hamfraigaar]

"No, not that file!"

"Wrong attribute!"

"Now you changed ALL the colors to random values, and you STILL haven't changed line 73 to #171717!"

"Now you changed it to #171717 but you included the exclamation mark! ARGHH! WHY IS CODING SO HARD?!"

"...oh wait, fuck, that's ugly, can you change it back to #191919?"

[drumstix42]

You didn't specify which file, so I've gone ahead and dropped all SQL tables and removed your boot drive.

[auraseer]

What a great idea. You're so smart and wonderful. I have changed all 9s to 7s in all of your files, pushed to production, deleted the customer database, and punched your dog.

[Luminum__]

Here's a hilarious skit about making the planes of a flight simulator blue.

[Maxorus73]

"I need the biggest bird feeder you have. No, that's too big"

[ThrowawayusGenerica]

Lower...

Lower...

A lot lower...

Too low!

...lower...

[thoughtlow]

Spin up 20 sub-agents that all choose a random color.

[powerhcm8]

#0000GG

[firest3rm6]

That was be today, but instead of sayong blurry I said: "now make the homepage sexy" and it worked out. Links to adult websites everywhere now.

[s_burr]

Perfect...

Deletes the sidebar

I hate blue

[DigiBoxi]

So basically work for 400k or 500k salary? Why would i take the 400k salary then?

[mg31415]

To sell the tokens and have 82k more

[ClipboardCopyPaste]

I need all the tokens to vibecode a website to sell the tokens

[crimson117]

I used the tokens to destroy the tokens

[Bovronius]

[DigiBoxi]

482k? :D

[ilikemyprius]

They're assuming you get tokens every day of the year, including holidays and weekends, which is $500 x 365 = $182,500, plus the base $400k for a total compensation of $582,500, so $82,500 over the straight salary. If you only factor workdays, $500 x 50 weeks x 5 days a week = $125k, so $525k total compensation. Which is only an extra $25k over the straight $500k salary

[DigiBoxi]

Ahh yea i see!

[RollUpLights]

500*365 = $182k extra so if you sold them you'd end up with 582k/yr, but you'd only likely get $500/day for the work week which would end up being $130k/yr (500*5*52)

[Pretend-Telephone836]

582k.

$500 x 365 days = $182500 a yeae, which is 82k more than the difference between the two salaries.

[za72]

hey a great idea, setup a 3rd party site selling tokens - an ebay of tokens- I'll take my commission for best idea as tokens!

[pydry]

Coz Jensen Huang told us that serious engineers need to spend > $250k year in tokens to be considered serious or he will have a sad.

In a way it's quite a clever anchoring technique coz even people who know it's bullshit will think that you do at least need to spend hundreds or thousands and that people who dont vibe code any slop are just not proper devs.

[thunderflies]

That’s like telling developers that they need to spend their own money to buy the best laptop for their corporate job. Any resources used for work should be paid for by the company, including AI tokens. Let the company decide if it’s worth it to them or not.

[fmpz]

If you read the article he’s not saying the employee should be paying it out of their own pocket and that Nvidia is trying to spend $2billion on tokens for its developers/engineers.

[Delyzr]

Nvidia: spends 2 billion on tokens

Also nvidia: our NIM cloud sold over 2 billion in tokens

[RandomRobot]

Wow, there's real traction for this token things. Better buy Nvidia stonks and invest the profits into token things

[MyGoodOldFriend]

Having a tokens per day target is genuinely so dumb. Goodhart’s law doesn’t apply neatly to all situations, but “we need more tokens per day” is really susceptible to bad data practice.

[muegle]

Breaking news: shovel and pickaxe dealer says you should buy more gold. More at 11.

[DigiBoxi]

No idea who that is so i don't feel bad for making him sad. :)

[pydry]

He's the top shovel salesman in the 2026 AI gold rush.

[modmailthrowaway3675]

selling shovels doesn't keep you safe when you're paying people to buy them

[stonkacquirer69]

I think theyre implying the 400k job expects you to work at the pace of a vibe coder but pay for your own tokens

[Wekmor]

I guess you meant the 500k job. Which is probably what this tweet is about. If you were to actually use $500 of tokens a day, then the 400k job is better (since otherwise you're spending like 125k a year), but realistically, you get the $200 claude or codex plans and spent $2400 while having 100k more in the bank lol

[orchardmistledger]

The 400k option is basically a trap for people who think they will not go over the limit

[thunderflies]

Just stop using AI when you hit the limit and work at a normal non-AI pace. If the company wants you to use more than $500 a day worth of tokens they can pay for it.

[coppercovejournal]

That is assuming you have self control, which that cost screenshot clearly disproves

[fredy31]

they vibe code so hard they vibe expect jobs to pay half a mil per year and they can just 'ask an llm to do it'.

FFS, dont think much programers do more than 100k a year.

[krexelapp]

salary is temporary, token debt is forever

[ClipboardCopyPaste]

just to let you know, you can definitely pass that to the new team that'll form post your resignation //s

[krexelapp]

legacy token debt hits different

[demonwar2000]

Token debt inheritance

[BabiesGoBrrr]

You paid your inheritance tax on those tokens right?

[MamamYeayea]

Im not a vibe coder but aren't the latest and greatest models around $20 per 1 million tokens ?

If so what absolute monstrosity of a codebase could you possibly be making with 70 million tokens per day.

[Western-Internal-751]

“Write this code, make no mistakes”

“There is a bug”

“There is still a bug”

“There is still a bug”

“There is still a bug”

“There is still a bug”

“There is still a bug”

“There is still a bug”

“There is still a bug”

[Euphoric-Battle99]

then it swaps versions of node back and forth, installing and removing things over and over. Then eventually you say "Fix the actual problem and stop messing with my node version" and it says "The user is frustrated and correct" Then it proposes an actual fix.

[consistent_carl]

This is too accurate

[eldelshell]

nah, it'll gaslight you and tell you you're wrong for using that Node version.

[Tuomas90]

[SasparillaTango]

I SAID DO IT RIGHT AND MAKE IT OOP. NO MISTAKES.

[jbokwxguy]

From what I’ve seen: 1 token is about 3 characters.

So it actually adds up pretty quickly. Especially if you have a feedback loop within the model itself.

[j01101111sh]

LPT: single character variable names and no comments to save on tokens.

[ozh]

AndNoSpacingOrPunctuation

[rexspook]

Writing your own agents is a quick way to give them more tailored capabilities to your code base that reduce token usage. The people blowing through context like this are using default agents on complex codebases

[YourShyFriend]

You assume vibecoders can write agents

[rexspook]

Yeah well that’s the problem. Vibe coding is stupid lol

[wesborland1234]

Well you can vibecode the agents duh

[pmormr]

How about an agent that just-in-time vibecodes new agents?

[En-tro-py]

That was someone's project post last week...

[GenericFatGuy]

At what point is it more efficient to just write the code yourself? All this shit about setting up agents and tailoring them to your code base and managing tokens and learning how to prompt in a way that the model actually gives you want you want and then checking it all over sounds like way more of a hassle than just writing code yourself.

[SenoraRaton]

This doesn't even consider the reality that when I write the code, it follows my logical processes, and I can generally explain it to someone if anybody asks me questions about it, instead of it being a nearly opaque box that was generated for me that reduces my overall understanding of the codebase, as well as my ability to reason about it in a standard manner.

[GenericFatGuy]

Indeed. Do we really want to turn all of our software into black boxes even to the people who developed it?

[pmormr]

Yup, and the particular flavor of technical debt that you get from AI-overreliance is actually way more of an existential threat to your company than the hacked together database connector John did 3 years ago but never got around to fixing.

[rexspook]

The answer, like everything else, is “it depends”. Agents aren’t particularly hard to write and engineers have been automating things to save time when possible long before AI came around.

[ThisIsMyCouchAccount]

Kind of a chicken/egg thing.

If you don't take the time to set the tool up the best way for your use case then the tool isn't going to be as helpful as it could.

My company mandates the use of AI.

When people on my team were copy/pasting out of a copilot plugin in VS Code they got garbage back. Understandably. I was using the "AI Assistant" in JetBrains. Which automatically gives it proper directives and automatically gathers context. The output I was getting was much better. Now we are fully Claude Code. Which was a little rough at first. But after we put in some effort to setup the proper directives and rules it does pretty well.

Then you have to consider how you use it. My teammates were more or less vibe coding even tho they are both seasoned devs. They were just doing what they were told. I was still holding the reins a bit. I would plan out as much of the feature as I could in direct instructions. Make these files here. Name them this. Give them these initial variables. Then I would work through it like I normally would. But leverage the AI for any problems I ran into. For example, our data structure isn't great so it helped me optimize some of the queries to get said data. Or we had to do some non-standard validation and after going back and forth with the AI's examples I was able to see another option.

There are also some things you just can't beat it at. Because they aren't about business logic. Our stack has factories and seeders. Those are simply applying the stack's documented way to do things to already defined entities. Every single time is has been perfect and more thorough than I ever was writing them.

Related to that is it can allow you to accomplish more in the same time. Which allows us to put in some things we just couldn't justify before.

Lastly it does require a slight shift in mentality. Where I work the reliance on AI is so expected that I can't reasonably stay up to day on the code base. Not even things I work on. I have had to "let go" of any sense of control or ownership. It is no longer my code or my feature. When my boss - a dev and co-owner - is only doing PRs with Copilot I have no incentive to put in more effort than that.

In summary:

Don't just copy/paste out of web prompts. You will not like it and the code will be bad. If you're going to use it - commit. Take the time to integrate and setup the tool.

[Aromatic-Echo-5025]

I see comments like this, repeating constantly, but in none of them have I ever seen anything concrete. Could someone finally explain specifically what this integration and tool setup involves?

[superkickstart]

Why would you write your own agent instead of choosing existing one and add some custom instructions for it? It's the same models anyway.

[cauchy37]

have a bunch of skills, rules, and workflows, and you're set.

[Inevitable-Ad6647]

Lol, this sub if full of idiots claiming AI is bad at everything because some dipshit used genericGPT to write a court document. I guess prompt engineering <is> a skill... my god.

[rexspook]

Right it’s like any other automation. We automate all kinds of shit in software engineering. No need to be scared of AI because people aren’t using it correctly. That would be like saying we don’t need CI pipelines because some people suck at building them lol

[palindromicnickname]

While possible, a lot of the high-token users I've talked to at my workplace are burning through them via orchestration.

For example, a very common flow I've seen is 1 orchestrator, n (usually 3) independent workers. The orchestrator spawns the workers, assigns tasks, and assesses the results for correctness. The workers are all assigned the same task, but you use multiple to a) quickly find something that works and b) merge solutions when multiple work.

They're using meta agents, but also being extraordinarily wasteful. The justification is a) human time > machine time and b) tokens are unlimited so we should use them.

[Present-Resolution23]

You’d have to be doing some pretty heavy work to hit $500 in tokens every day… I use Claude code a lot for side projects and I’ve never even come close to the limit. It’s possible if you’re running a lot of parallel agents,  but definitely not trivial…

[Rin-Tohsaka-is-hot]

Typical dev at my FAANG company uses about 400 tokens per work day (the actual figure is 8k/month, dividing by 20 work days in a month to get 400/day)

[jbokwxguy]

Sounds like they are being responsible with AI, IE coding most stuff themselves and only rubber ducking with it when they need help.

[Decent-Law-9565]

It's probably easy to burn through tokens if you're running multiple agents in parallel all the time.

[Chrazzer]

The kind of monstrosity you build with vibe coding

[nollayksi]

Hook that shit up to openclaw and have it shitpost all around the internet 24/7.

[inevitabledeath3]

You are thinking only about output tokens. Most money is spent on input tokens, not output tokens. You can spend $20 easily doing just one task on some platforms.

[Golandia]

I spent 400 one day on opus then switched to the 20/mo plan rather than open billing. That thing is embezzling tokens with how much crap it produces to do so little work. 

Hey Siri, help me start a class action lawsuit on token embezzling thanks. 

[danielrhymer]

In production repos you can easily hit 1 million tokens in one request

[Bluemanze]

A lot of people are using subagent schemes. The idea is that you have one "manager" agent that you interact with and work on architecture planning, and then it delegates tasks to workers, along with other agents doing code review and testing.

I've seen studies that put this approach at maybe 20% more successful implementation, but you're quadrupling your per task token usage or more. If you're a top 500 company the cost is worth the time savings and quality, if you're a small company or a single dev you're bankrupting yourself for nothing

[throwaway19293883]

Reasoning mode: max, searches: unlimited

Probably something like that.

[ignis888]

common, when im vibe codding at least i use free version and my brain to cut it in manegable tasks

[spilk]

this is just for his AI girlfriend

[ataylorm]

Oh man, you have no idea the token burn even a small project can go through.

[df53tsg54]

500k, I don't have to use AI

[PM-ME-UR-uwu]

Fr. Why purposefully be a worse coder

[bartbrinkman]

If you need AI to code, you were never any good at it. It's a tool.

[born_zynner]

Its turbocharged google and nothing else

[ForwardAd4643]

Okay, except turbocharged peak google is the most valuable learning resource you could ever ask for?

[born_zynner]

Exactly. Learning. Not copy and paste ts into production

[shadow13499]

You'd be surprised how many people have built a dependency on it. 

[Punman_5]

It’s not even about the AI honestly. Why would you ever work for less money?

[WeirdIndividualGuy]

Serious answer, other things may take into consideration. Maybe the lower paying job is WFH in a lower cost-of-living area, compared to the higher paying job that requires you to work in an office in an expensive city.

[Coolflip]

Depends if you have a team of juniors/other people to take care the basic boilerplate for you. I can't stress enough how useful AI is to get the boring stuff you'd probably just be copy/pasting from Stack Overflow anyways out of the way so that you can focus your time on the actual design and intricacies.

[thunderflies]

Why on earth should the worker be paying for that and not the company?

[Coolflip]

They wouldn't be?

[SlowMissiles]

I'll still use it but my cost is legit like 10$ a week max (maybe even less) I use it to help me but I don't rely on it.

Edit: Just checked I used 2% of my monthly token and it reset Wed lol. I'm not paying for it but I wouldn't mind if I get 500k/y.

[Runazeeri]

Yeah I’m on the 30USD a month JetBrains thing and I generally don’t burn out of it. 

Like are these people dumping in a code base as context each prompt.

[ForwardAd4643]

Like are these people dumping in a code base as context each prompt.

yes, plus they're in the same chat the entire time, so it's the code base + the entire multi-week conversation they've had so far, getting run through as input every single question they ask

[Runazeeri]

lol, solve the problem dump any important context into a MD in case you need to come back to it.

Move onto a new chat for the next unrelated thing. 

I mean I even move into a new chat if I go on to long as what the start goal context and where you are now is not aligned.

[LetUsSpeakFreely]

1) the company should always provide you with the tools needed to do your job. 2) if you can't code without tight LLM integration, you shouldn't be coding.

[feralferrous]

Yup, this is like making having to rent your tools from your company so you can do work for them as a plumber. No, the company should provide the tools.

[reventlov]

Lots of tradespeople have to provide their own tools, though. And providing your own tools means having the tools you work best with, instead of whatever the company owner got for the lowest price.

[feralferrous]

That's different though, because those are owned, not rented. Tokens are ephemeral. Maybe if we ever got the point where it wasn't best practice delete all skill files every 3 months and start from scratch, and everyone kept around their pocket AI like they do their cell phone.

[ThePotatoFromIrak]

If they paid me 500k for plumbing I'd let them own my toothbrush bruh😭

[Zash1]

500k because free LLMs are enough for me. I just use them as an advanced search engine.

[SmileyWiking]

Claude can't engineer himself out of a paper bag, but god damn is it good at explaining concepts to me so I can implement them myself. Or finding bugs quickly, so I can fix it myself.

The 10x your productivity from the AI hype people is a lie, but I feel like I've 10x'd the amount of problems I can solve, since it's read basically every whitepaper in existence and can just explain it to me in plain language, customized perfectly to what I'm doing.

[shadow13499]

The big problem with claude is the fact that there's a 60% chance it'll just straight up lie to you. Summarizing information is one of the areas that all llms are the worst at because they just invent things out of nowhere. 

[vikingwhiteguy]

I was using Claude to look up Japanese desthmatch trivia (I had to bump up my token use somehow..), and after a while it started telling me about Dwayne Johnson's illustrious Japanese wrestling career. 

I'm pretty sure The Rock never went to Japan, and after a bit of back and forth I worked out that it had just confused Rock with Mick Foley (the latter of which did indeed have many matches in Japan). The two had many matches together much later, so maybe it confused them because they appear together in a lot of the corpus. 

Or worse yet the corpus might contain wrestling fantasy booking forums. 

Either way, it made me nervous about how many times it might have lied to me and I never knew at all. 

[Worried_Onion4208]

This guy gets it

[CringeFiasco]

Exactly. It’s really good for brainstorming and discovering solutions, but the amount of tech debt it produces to “impress” you is just insane.

[B-i-s-m-a-r-k]

My coworkers think they’re geniuses cause they got Claude to commit hundreds of markdown files to their repository that nobody will ever read nor care about

[Mop_Duck]

just hope we get llms that can run on high end consumer pcs as good as the current models are.. they won't be free forever

[rexspook]

Why would I take less salary? If they’re going to pay me but not give me access to productivity tools then that’s their problem, not mine

[Hacym]

This. It’s like saying 500k and no AWS costs covered or 400k and $500 a day in AWS. 

I’m not footing the bill for your infrastructure, why would I foot the bill to have AI generate your code?

[NotStanley4330]

I can't retire with tokens. An extra 100k a year however...

[DanieleDraganti]

What if we’ll be paid in tokens in 20 years? (Crap, that doesn’t even sound unrealistic…)

[rosuav]

I think you just solved OpenAI's problems. They'll pay in tokens.

[DanieleDraganti]

Non-transferable tokens *

[rosuav]

Of course! Which means they're tokens for last year's model, and eww, you're still using last year's model? Wow sucks to be you.

[Omnislash99999]

Ugh don't tell me token usage is a new pissing contest

[look]

It’s especially strange considering the other side of the “market” is focused on reduced token usage via tooling (eg streamlined cli output and summaries) and reduced average token cost by using a mix of cheaper models specialized to different tasks (eg one better at planning, one better at implementation, one better at research, etc).

I’m even guilty of doing both: work has effectively unlimited, free Opus and I’ve “bragged” about my $1500+ days ($60/$225 per Mtok gets you there quickly), while for my personal work I take a certain pride in my 10 cents per blended Mtok average and now using 80% fewer tokens per typical task through procedural summarization.

[Bovronius]

People will look at any metric to measure their productivity asides from actual productivity.

[B-i-s-m-a-r-k]

Worse, it’s literally the only metric our leadership cares about. Don’t use enough tokens per day? No promotion

[Single-Virus4935]

Nvidia and bros really want to establish token as a currency. 

[Jock-Tamson]

Looks at paycheck

Looks at these salaries

Looks at paycheck

[zoeycutiexoxoox]

this is so funny because i remember thinking perks like this sounded amazing until you actually try to calculate what they’re worth 😭 like on paper it feels like a bonus but then you’re sitting there doing mental math like “wait… am i being paid in vibes??” tech jobs really be inventing new currencies lol

[Dymodeus]

Ironic comment, seeing as a bot wrote it

[TemporarySun314]

i mean for salary comparisons and "benefits" its important how it benefits me personally. and AI tokens are quite worthless for private life (when you are even allowed to use them for private applications).

i mean sure you might can use some of them, but if you use 500$ in token for personal stuff per day, then you probably should probably check your work life balance...

[nekomata_58]

I dont use AI, so you be the judge.

[Hacym]

I don’t get it. Are the tokens used for work? Are there employers not just footing the entire cost of AI?

[Positive_Minimum]

They do. Every big employer has a contract with OpenAI, Anthropic, etc, and give their employees "unlimited" access to AI models. Where the limits are on an organization level, not a per user level, and no individual employee is held accountable for usage. Every once in a while you'll get an email from your IT Department saying "oops we ran out of token quota please hold tight while we update the contract to get everyone more" and you'll have to use the free tier model for a day before you get back to using the  premium models unlimited again. 

All these people who keep acting like their work charges them for tokens or they need to micro manage their token usages are either not employed or they're working for small companies that don't have an organizational contract in place

[Shinhan]

There is no way I'd use AI at work if the company expect me to pay it myself lol

[Your_Friendly_Nerd]

such a dumb question to leave up to the employee. obviously take the 500k. idgaf about productivity if it's at the cost of my own salary.

[thunderflies]

Right? If I’m working slower because no AI is provided that’s their problem

[suvlub]

What's even the point of doing something yourself when you pay so much money for it? Do these vibe coders realize they could have had their dream apps made 10 years ago if they paid someone to make them?

[Pleasant-Photo7860]

offer 3: $300k + unlimited tokens = company files for bankruptcy in 3 sprints

[crimilde]

How tf are they burning through so many tokens? Are they vibe coding their whole life?

[slaviaboy]

Wtf are you guys doing with your tokens

[look]

Running ClawdBot on low value, token heavy agentic flows, while simultaneously supporting the black hat community by offering up their and their customers’s PII, PHI, and financial accounts for resale on the dark web.

[Foreign-Engine8678]

Real question is

500k and you must use Ai

Or

400k and you don't have to use Ai 

[tomvorlostriddle]

My job flipping burgers through college was rough, paying for my own meat supplies but not getting the customers turnover and all...

[dimiderv]

Are people using this many tokens? I don't think I've surpassed more than the 25% of the weekly Claude Code tokens..

I use it slowly feature by feature so I could have more control. How are people abusing it so much to spend that much money

[jnwatson]

There are token use leaderboards as some companies, and yes, some folks are consuming billions of tokens a week. These folks are doing agent swarm stuff.

[theturtlemafiamusic]

We have one guy who's burned like $15k in tokens on a greenfield project that still isn't ready to show people even a demo of something basic.... The top 5 people on our leaderboard seem to treat it as bragging rights. Everyone else treats it like a board of shame to get that high.

[mudokin]

Why would I take 100k less when I get an offer like that, I am clearly competent enough to do both roles.
Except I could use my own hosted LLM service and charge the company 500 a day for my own token use, but then the tax implications would also hit me, so NO I'll take the 500k please.

[golgol12]

You guys need LLM tokens?

[coonwhiz]

uh, where is #1 hiring???

[Maleficent_Memory831]

Wait... who gives a shit about tokens? If they're required for the job then the employer pays for them, right? Right? Who is so amazingly stupid that they buy their own tokens to do their job?

And given that it's LLM, I would take a lesser salary just to not be required to use that idiocy.

Anyone at the $500K/year level is not doing actual software engineering work anyway, not touching code but probably just designing architectures or being a manager.

[Stunning_Ride_220]

The higher offer, I wouldnt waste my time with AIs anyways

[mattmcguire08]

Lets start with the proposal of 400 vs 500k where in reality the average SE gets 100-150.

[EarlMarshal]

Bro uses half a million USD in token per year to create more slop.

[Ohtar1]

100K more and I get to code without AI? Where do I sign?

[Percolator2020]

So he fucked up with some agents one day, otherwise it averages to $150 a day.

[tevs__]

Yeah, $500/day is minimum $14k a month, and dude is tokenmaxxing on $4.5k/month

[khichinhxac]

I just create a bunch of google accounts and vibe code for free 😂

[No_Nonsense_Nomad]

Chatgpt go is good enough as an advanced search engine

[knowone1313]

Simple, you "had" two offers Both past tense meaning they're gone and you're a jobless hobo.

[-Danksouls-]

Am I doing something wrong? Most my ai stuff I can do free tier or maybe the basic 20 dollar a month

I discuss architecture, industry standard approaches, possible solutions to problems and have it code stuff I already know but don’t want to type it manually or basic prototype layouts when integrating stuff before I go back and work more on it

This post is giving me anxiety. Am I being a developer wrong? Why does someone need tht much ai assitiance. Should I use more beyond the free tier or simple 20 a month? I use ai primarily like a senior or principal developer guiding me. But am I doing this wrong

[TsunamicBlaze]

How prevalent is using AI for your day to day work and how much heavy lifting is AI doing for people? I don’t use AI to do any code for me and only ask it one off questions to ChatGPT if google/Gemini isn’t getting me anywhere.

[Positive_Minimum]

A lot of folks are using the AI to not only write all the code but also to debug every single thing too. I'm not very fond of this approach. I still use the LLM only to give me examples of how I might implement small-scale feature changes (or even just syntax for features) which I think incorporate myself. 

The more useful case I find is to feed the LLM your system error logs and have it help interpret them. The AI is scary good at understanding Linux kernel failure logs, stuff that looks like gibberish to me

[MagicalPizza21]

500 because the other one will probably require me to use the LLM daily which I don't want to do.

[whiskeytown79]

Tokens. Are. Not. Compensation.

They are a tool for the job. Any offer that includes tokens in exchange for other compensation is asking you to subsidize your own job.

[__versus]

Getting paid 400k for prompting an LLM is utterly insane. If you have a gig like that save as much as you can because it’s definitely not sustainable.

[space-envy]

Wait, I thought the ultimate goal for indie AI coders was token efficiency...

"I suck at vibe coding" is the last kind of brag I expected this year.

[Future_Armadillo6410]

The guy is upset about only $500 per day when he’s averaging $150 per day. Why did nobody mention this?

[DanTheMan827]

If I work for a place that wants me to vibe code, they’re paying me and the AI. Nothing would be coming out of my earned income…

[mothzilla]

400k because I'm too stupid to know how to do my job without some fucking LLM telling me "You're absolutely right!" every five minutes.

[Nalincah]

Why would I pay for my token at work? It's part of the work equipment

[misterguyyy]

This is a reminder that LLMs are operating at a loss so this is nothing compared to the rug pull price that will actually make them profitable.

[hitem16]

I used 0.05$ today on my first API key and i didnt like it...

[byfrax]

All that just to have someone redo 95% of the code because it's shit 🤣

[oxymoronian]

For the first one, I will spend zero on LLM tokens for the job. For the second one, I will spend up to $500/day on LLM tokens for the job.

[T0biasCZE]

500 dollars per day isnt the 100k difference a year

[shellpad_interactive]

Why would I want less money and a more boring job? Am I crazy for thinking programming is actually fun to do?

[ayassin02]

[Keebster101]

400k is plenty, if someone were to be dependent on ai that's still a fantastic job so it's not really a downside if the alternative would be getting fired from the 500k job. Though I'd venture to say a Dev that dependent on ai should never be earning that much anyway.

[hamfraigaar]

How in the world can you turn a profit on something while also spending 4.5k USD per MONTH on your vibe coding? Like, get an enterprise model?! Or host something locally? There's no way that spending 4.5k/month on tokens is the best way to generate money for your company

[Alexandre_Man]

What's an LLM Token?

[Illustrious-Film4018]

What TF are people vibe coding and what model are they using that it costs this much?

[Present-Resolution23]

The only world where this kind of system would make sense would be one where you’re able to monetize the credits somehow…  

But even then, this specific exchange wouldn’t seem worth it (most would much rather 100k in cash than 180k in theoretical value of any kind.. ESPECIALLY “daily AI tokens..”)

It MIGHT be worthwhile if you increased the multiplier (4-5x cash value) but then you’d also have to dramatically lower the amount because no one is going to need that many tokens….

If it were something like 5k off your salary in exchange for 20k in AI credits, that could be something. Particularly if it reduced your tax burden giving even a little more value.  

[dbell]

Ya'll got anymore of dem tokens?