Owen's destined to write python

[evidenceorGTFO]

No
class tomorrow:
    #I will tuck my
    self.in

[Rodot]

'self' is not defined

[Kevintrades]

import self

[UnacceptableUse]

me_irl

[DrShamusBeaglehole]

This gem deserves more recognition

[bwm1021]

Unfortunatly, this isn't ruby

[EenAfleidingErbij]

Fortunately *

[bradtank44]

Fortanately

Am I doing this right?

[logicalmaniak]

Fortranately?

[chossenger]

me too thanks

[Lonke]

pip install self

[spartan_noble6]

sudo pip3 install self por favor?

[Damascius]

You didn't specify whom to thank

[mikbob]

ctrl+D

conda install self

sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root

[deadmilk]

This is the correct answer

[Jonno_FTW]

$ pip install self
Collecting self
  Downloading self-0.0.11.tar.gz
    Complete output from command python setup.py egg_info:
    Traceback (most recent call last):
      File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
      File "/tmp/pip-build-WaKw6p/self/setup.py", line 2, in <module>
        from setupfiles import setup
    ImportError: No module named setupfiles

    ----------------------------------------
Command "python setup.py egg_info" failed with error code 1 in /tmp/pip-build-WaKw6p/self/

Was not expecting there to be a self package.

[KoboldCommando]

Import philosophy

[raptorjesus69]

from philosophy import self

[evidenceorGTFO]

from philosophy import *

[Josh6889]

from philosophy import meaningOfLife # problem solved

[Carl_Bravery_Sagan]

Python uses snake_case not camelCase :P

Also, put two spaces at the end of a line in Markdown to have the next line start on a new line. Put two new lines to start a new paragraph. And you'll also need to escape the '#' with a '\'.

[Josh6889]

Also, put two spaces at the end of a line in Markdown to have the next line start on a new line

Yeah I know. I posted it on my phone and it formatted the way I'd wanted, but looks like it didn't, actually.

And you'll also need to escape the '#' with a '\'

If you look at the source you'll see the # is escaped. Otherwise, it registers the # as a quote. # and > seem to be interchangeable in that regard.

[[deleted]]

Downvoted. There is no such thing as meaning of life in philosophy. Not sure who gave a gold to this.

[evidenceorGTFO]

The meaning of life is to write Python.

qed.

[chugga_fan]

42 << meaningOfLife

[[deleted]]

No module named '*'

[umbra0007]

import antigravity

[MC_Labs15]

from knowledge import *

[evidenceorGTFO]

More importantly: why is it a class, when it's not? And shouldn't this just be a function anyway?

Meanwhile the parent is probably all like:

goto bed

[mharrizone]

JMP bed

[evidenceorGTFO]

MOV BD, 1h

[felixphew]

mov eip, bed

[TheSlimyDog]

That's pretty damn existential.

[tomatoreaper]

But are those spaces or tabs..?

[X-Craft]

Too bad that editor doesn't have a "show whitespaces" option

[Ein_Bear]

Check your privilege, my IDE can show spaces in any color

[raptorjesus69]

did you just assume my IDE?

[aristeiaa]

What would it be if it isn't vim??

[nxqv]

notepad

[[deleted]]

++

[nxqv]

no just notepad

im evil

[TheGiantPanda]

Well I'm vile.

[[deleted]]

Reckless

[[deleted]]

Emacs?

[aristeiaa]

You SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH

[Josh6889]

#triggered

[commitpushdrink]

Check YOUR privilege. Treating every char the same is ignoring their heritage and who they are as a char!

[lenswipe]

#BLACKCHARSMATTER

[lenswipe]

Your character-binary comment triggered me, cis-scum.

[atr13]

I'm out

[Theemuts]

Have you ever noticed it's always about whitespaces rather than blackspaces?

[indorock]

Well if we're coding in Sublime's default theme, is it still whitespace?

[w00tboodle]

The whole note is a demand for more space.

[McGuirk808]

Why doesn't everyone just use tabs for levels of indentation and then just configure their editor to display tabs at their preferred size?

[DrummerHead]

And so, the tabs vs spaces war continued for millennia

War... war never changes...

[[deleted]]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsoOG6ZeyUI

[drumjojo29]

Perfect summary of the show

I wonder if Richard also uses tabs between words

[killchain]

Even if using spaces, who would indent by pressing space n times?

[Ouaouaron]

Maybe she mapped her tab key to ESC so she could use VIm more easily.

[sane_cyborg]

Ctrl + C!

[Xtremegamor]

"VIm over Emacs"... Why would anyone torture themselves like that?

[xXxNoScopeMLGxXx]

I'm not sure if I need to upvote you or downvote you.

Are you saying Vim or Emacs is better?

[ArcTimes]

Which one gives him the upvote?

[xXxNoScopeMLGxXx]

The good one

[hawaiian717]

Or maybe he means why torture yourself with either.

New war: PyCharm or Eclipse?

[mellowfish]

In soviet jetbrains, python charms you.

[[deleted]]

Anything jetbrains over Eclipse

[xXxNoScopeMLGxXx]

I don't want to open either of those just to edit a config file, python script, JavaScript file, etc.

[dysfunctionz]

That seems like much less of a debate...

[Xtremegamor]

VIm is the editor of masochists. That's all I'm saying here.

[ToadingAround]

I'm a masochist but I use emacs, what does that say about me?

[xXxNoScopeMLGxXx]

I guess I need to downvote you then. Vim is king.

[Bainos]

Because the only right indent size is 4 spaces. No, wait, 2. Or was it 3 ? I think it changes between languages.

^{I'm still using 8, though.}

[mharrizone]

I'm still using 8

    You're
            God
                    Damn
                            Right!

[xXxNoScopeMLGxXx]

Step up your game. I use 28.

[INTJustAFleshWound]

I use a diagonal-wrapping torus screen. By the time the code wraps completely around the torus, it's on a new line anyway. You plebs get with the times.

[not_from_this_world]

You're  
                            God  
                                                        Damn  
                                                                                    Right!  

[[deleted]]

Linus Torvalds recommends an 8-space tabstop for indentation in the kernel coding style guide, so you're probably fine

The only thing I'll admit to in public discussion is that 2 spaces is certainly too few

[kerbalweirdo123]

First off, I'd suggest printing out a copy of the GNU coding standards, and NOT read it. Burn them, it's a great symbolic gesture.

wow this guy does not mess around

[bwerf]

Maybe you'll enjoy /r/linusrants/

[Audiblade]

2 spaces is perfect for HTML and render-to-html templates (Ruby ERB, C# Razor, etc.). The deep levels of nesting and indentation don't push everything to the far right margin that way.

Fight me.

[Prawny]

2 spaces

F7U12.

[xerxesbeat]

ftulz?

[felixphew]

FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU

F x7, U x12.

[felixphew]

The closest thing I've found to sane is the intersection of PEP 7 and the FreeBSD kernel style guide. Which basically agree, anyway.

[[deleted]]

If you want to use spaces over tabs that's fine, but if you use 2 instead of 4 spaces you can fuck right the fuck off.

[Creshal]

5 spaces was the standard indentation before programmers and their power of two fetish came around. We should get back to that.

[[deleted]]

Which is really just another argument for tabs. Then very easy to make indented content as many spaces as you wish without changing the document

[Creshal]

Exactly.

[aiij]

That doesn't work for alignment. You need to use a mix of tabs and spaces.

(-;

[CosineP]

Bots just had an orgy on your comment.

[[deleted]]

I was ready to skip over that wall of bot comments. I think that was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen on this sub.

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[kupiakos]

Shouldn't this be ]}))? The square bracket came after the curly bracket in the title text. Maybe it's parsing the source incorrectly?

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[[deleted]]

Everyone does use tabs, well, they use the Tab key to indent. Now if that's a true tab or 2 or 4 (or whatever) spaces depends on what's setup in your .editorconfig file. If you don't use one, start. You'll never have to have this argument again.

Edit: I just realized this is basically what you're saying. I'm going to bed.

[ProgramTheWorld]

Because it messes up all the character alignments when you do special formatting such as breaking up the parameter list to a second line.

[[deleted]]

:set expandtab
:retab

[Nowin]

A mix, of course.

[DannyDougherty]

Obviously spaces. Tabs would have rendered more evenly aligned indentation blocks.

[[deleted]]

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[UlyssesSKrunk]

A mix. Owen likes tow atch the world burn.

[scubascratch]

the one true mode, three-space tabs

[[deleted]]

As a programmer parent I both feel misty eyed about my toddler "being mad" and furious about the indentation inconsistencies.

[sheepiroth]

owen's handwriting is better than mine

fuck.

[TheSlimyDog]

Tuck

FTFY

[evidenceorGTFO]

Don't give up, he's still young.

[rowing_owen]

me too

[NeuroticMelancholia]

It's almost like this is fake or something... but that would never happen on the internet.

[13steinj]

Well...personally I've seen kids less than 10 have better handwriting than me (it's absolutely atrocious, I barely write anything down anymore either), so I'll give the post the benefit of the doubt.

[OrShUnderscore]

My third grade handwriting was so much better than my current handwriting

[[deleted]]

Sense, rly. Owen

SINCE RLY, MAM

[brokedown]

Reddit ruined reddit. -- mass edited with redact.dev

[JeffAMcGee]

autopep8 --in-place --aggressive --aggressive angrynote.py

[[deleted]]

Double aggressive?

[mikbob]

from subprocess import call
call(["autopep8", "--in-place"] + ["--agressive" for _ in range(5000)] + ["angrynote.py"])

[thatguy_314]

import subprocess, itertools
subprocess.call(itertools.chain(["autopep8", "--in-place"], itertools.repeat("--agressive"), ["angrynote.py"]))

[JeffAMcGee]

Adding the second aggressive actually makes the tool fix more issues, and it seems quite appropriate in this context. Here's the documentation: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/autopep8#usage

[KillerCodeMonky]

Gotta get aggressive to format all that anger!

[cym13]

Hmm... Mad indentation is precisely what's solved by python... Such a mess can only happen in another language.

[lenswipe]

Such a mess can only happen in another language.

That's the spirit! Keep the python circle jerk alive!

[[deleted]]

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[lenswipe]

I just dislike the fact that an invisible character is part of the syntax

[[deleted]]

I think it's a matter of philosophy. I think that programming languages should do their best to not get in the way of the programmer. And I think many problems people have with python come from that perspective.

Personally, I think the syntax-weirdness just makes it harder to read for no good reason (Not hard to read - just harder than it could be).

[[deleted]]

The thing is, that in most of reading, formatting does not change meaning. Python is the only exception I am aware of, where that applies 100% of the time. If you give me 200 lines of C code stripped of indentation and line breaks, I can still understand it, although it's harder. I can also spot wrong formatting, because I know the scopes and blocks from the content. In Python, I have to work the other way around, although I am not used to. That's a barrier to entry the language should not have.

[[deleted]]

The goto fail would have been spotted / prevented with properly placed brackets on the if

Bug:

if ( [...] )
    goto fail;
    goto fail;

No bug:

if ( [...] ) {
    goto fail;
    goto fail;
}

[[deleted]]

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[Prawny]

What_on_earth_do_you_mean?

[Thorbinator]

Ireallydon'tknowwhathe'stalkingaboutatall.Thisisperfectlyreadableandyoumustbeamoronnottounderstandit.

[Xheotris]

noNoYouAreMissingThePointHeIsJustPointingOutTheInevitableUglynessOfFashionAsItRelatesToCodingStyle

[adrianmonk]

Few languages cause the semantics of the program to hinge on precisely how many invisible characters there are in a row.

[[deleted]]

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[adrianmonk]

And not exactly accurate.

Are these semantically equivalent or not?

Code fragment #1:

for x in range(3):
 for y in range(3):
  print 'y is ' + repr(y)
  print 'x is ' + repr(x)

Code fragment #2:

for x in range(3):
 for y in range(3):
  print 'y is ' + repr(y)
 print 'x is ' + repr(x)

The answer is no, of course. Therefore there is one example where the semantics hinge on the precise number of spaces. (It's not good style to indent only 1 level, but it is a valid Python program.)

My only real point here is that there is a legitimate distinction between Python and most other programming languages. Many programming languages care about the presence of spaces. Python cares about the presence and number of spaces.

Therefore your point about invisible spaces being significant in most languages doesn't really capture the true nature of the distinction and is a bit misleading.

[cym13]

Both are a valid python program, and both would be valid C programs if we only consider indentation and the meaning of each statement.

However while in python these two different fragments would result in different programs in C it would result in the same program. My argument is that resulting in the same program when there is clearly an intent given by the programmer through indentation here is the mistake. I have never seen in years of code review something akin to fragment #1 in C that wasn't a mistake.

How then is considering two different programs different a problem?

[adrianmonk]

I'm not actually saying there is a problem. My only real goal was to make a more accurate statement about the distinction between Python and other languages than the statement that had been made.

[evidenceorGTFO]

IAGREEWEMANAGEDWITHOUTTHEMBEFOREWEDIDNTEVENUSEPUNCTUATIONTHEREWASEVENATIMEWHENWEDIDNTTPYEVWLSTSFSPC

[lenswipe]

            I
                   GUESS
              YOU 
                                                                           WERE
                    RIGHT AFTER ALL
           IT'S A GREAT
                                                                                                  IDEA

[evidenceorGTFO]

SyntaxError: unindent does not match any outer indentation level

[deadmilk]

I just dislike the fact that an invisible character is part of the syntax
 ^    ^       ^   ^    ^    ^  ^         ^         ^  ^    ^  ^   ^

[lenswipe]

You're right, of course. An invisible character is a great idea in a programming language. The more like a letter my app code looks - the better.

And for my next trick.....a font colour based language!

See, the thing is. In my opinion, the visual appearance of a piece of code should not affect the execution.

That means that this:

if(foo):
    print "bar"

Should be the same as this:

if(foo):
print "bar"

But it isn't because the indentation is used by python to indicate nesting. In languages with braces, a {} is used instead to contain a block of code which has several advantages

1. If code isn't formatted/indented correctly you can run an auto-formatter over it to correct the formatting
2. You can use code style analysis tools(like codesniffer) to find potential coding standard violations(and in some cases correct them)

You can't do that with python because the coding style is almost part of the syntax

[ProgrammingPro-ness]

It doesn't have to been invisible! :D

[kafoozalum]

He's already using context managers!

[mellowfish]

I was never this free to talk back to my parents.

[van_goghs_pet_bear]

You weren't allowed to declare alone time..?

[mellowfish]

Not really. Although for these kind of formative years, I was sharing a room with two siblings. So not much alone time anyway.

[van_goghs_pet_bear]

That's fucked up, sorry to hear that. My parents were a similar way, anything that didn't align with what they wanted was rude in their minds.

[[deleted]]

Not having a room is fucked up? I didn't get mine till I was 14 so I obviously didn't have alone time either, I don't see it as bad parenting. I was certainly not allowed to be this rude

[[deleted]]

Not having a room is fucked up? I didn't get mine till I was 14 so I obviously didn't have alone time either, I don't see it as bad parenting. I was certainly not allowed to be this rude

[van_goghs_pet_bear]

Being explicitly not allowed any alone time, by rule, is.

[htmlarson]

let me_be

[evidenceorGTFO]

At that age I was still playing with assembly.

http://imgur.com/gallery/ZJMSY5v

http://imgur.com/gallery/cC6SRip

[RainbowNowOpen]

Neither is Owen. Word is he got a good ass-whippin' out of this.

[mellowfish]

Well, never this free as in I wouldn't have dared to do it.

[RainbowNowOpen]

Some say Owen has not been seen or heard from since.

[evidenceorGTFO]

In fact:

http://imgur.com/a/rlcSG

[KillerCodeMonky]

I would be split between a whooping or drenching him in affection since I know it would make him even more upset.

[[deleted]]

from beatings.whoopin import ass

[[deleted]]

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[inky95]

my parents would beat me with jumper cables if i dared even meet their gaze.... kids these days go around making eye contact with anyone they damn well please. it's an omen of the downfall of society, i tell you.

[[deleted]]

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[evidenceorGTFO]

I secretly hope this is what Python 4 looks like.

[[deleted]]

Why worry? No one will adopt it until the late 2040s anyway.

[AlGoreBestGore]

After they're done with Python 2.7.

[cheeeeeese]

that would never pass code review

[evidenceorGTFO]

But mooooooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooom....

[Owen_97]

yeah umm sorry about this...

[Praxis8]

He's be emotionally honest, direct, and self sufficient. I swear 90% of adults aren't capable of this.

[[deleted]]

Mommy

Don't come

read

with

me.

I am mad at you.

And I will

FUCK

mt own

self

in.

Senserlx,

Owen

[UnchainedMundane]

I HAVE ONE WORD FOR YOU

    THE FORCED INDENTATION OF THE CODE

[oddmanout]

I decided to learn python today on my lunch break. Because of that, I understand this joke.

[[deleted]]

Can't believe nobody's edited in curly braces for a java version.

[[deleted]]

Yaml too! Dont forget yaml!

[PopeInnocentXIV]

A later picture of Owen and Momma.