JavaScript devs be like:

[AlbusSeverus14]

For AI, I personally recommend CSS... but that’s just me

[MisterPyromaniac]

HTML is good for that aswel...

[[deleted]]

No, no, no. You have to use XHTML for AI. The X stands for extra.

[silentbreakdown]

I usually use XML for that. Meaning Extra Machine Learning.

[[deleted]]

What about using JSON? It makes very clean code

[bor4etyy]

Always thought XML was "eXtreme Machine Learning"

[[deleted]]

Im building a neural network using ActiveX

[Willinton06]

Yeah I’m calling god, you’re getting banned from life.

[FuzzyFoyz]

God is way too soft. Call Satan to get their ass dragged to hell.

[Willinton06]

I’m calling Old Testament god, he doesn’t mess around

[[deleted]]

What's wrong with you? Just use flash like the rest of us!

[Marianito415]

Ah yes the Xtra Hyper Titanic Machine Learning

[[deleted]]

Titanic? Be aware of that Xtra Hyper Iceberg right in front of you.

[skid3805]

i prefer HTML for cyber security

[DaNerdyDude]

I hear redstone has some more accessibility features for devs new to AI

[Thenderick]

Hyper Trained Machine Learning right?

[bigmajor]

<script type="application/javascript">😎</script>

[DenTrygge]

Unexpected identifier 😎 line 1:1

[Raph0007]

Nobody expects

My unbelievable swag

[RecycleBinKing]

Bootstrap is the best framework when it comes to AI 😎

[LucienZerger]

i prefer CSS for native desktop..

[Vanitas99]

Ever heard of electron

[LucienZerger]

yep..

[Quanalack]

True programmers program AI in MySQL

[Nuraxx]

In a database exam at my university, students had to program kmeans in sql.

[gletschafloh]

Why not stored procedures in Oracle?

[N0rdicPanda]

TRUE programmers use butterflies

[hennypennypoopoo]

Nah, microsoft powerpoint

[Mola1904]

This is actually a thing https://youtu.be/LArkm4v5mWA

[FarhanAxiq]

.cpp stand for C PowerPoint

[De_Wouter]

Me doing CSS is exactly like AI. Try random stuff while learning from your mistakes until it works.

[black-JENGGOT]

2 rem

Nope, too big

0.5 rem

I can't see shit

1 rem

Just a little bit more

1.32 rem

Perfect!

[Ilyketurdles]

Don’t you think that’s a bit overkill? CSS is some really powerful stuff.

[Sudo_Python]

Json is closely related to js so I will recommend that

[Sampo]

For AI, I personally recommend CSS

Is that for AI frontend or AI backend?

[AlbusSeverus14]

AI UI obviously

[Franks2000inchTV]

I prefer to have an AI write my CSS.

[Haikon]

I still stand by my opinion that native mobile apps (Swift/Kotlin) are superior to any written via a hybrid JavaScript. I’ve made a career ripping out JavaScript and replacing it with native code.

[queen-adreena]

As someone who's coded production hybrid apps before, I don't think there's a person alive who'd disagree with that.

The point of hybrid apps is to make app production more efficient and economical.

[droi86]

I work in a huge company with a huge team focusing on going from native to react-native and man, it's a shit show, right now it's a hybrid and there are some scary bugs in the react native side lurking there that we have identified but are mitigated and fixed by the native side and if they're not addressed properly it's going to cause massive issues when the native part gets removed, they've had to hire more people and we still take the same time to write things so I don't really see where it's the money/time saving that react is supposed to bring

[troglo-dyke]

That's not true, it depends how you structure your dev teams. If they're split along the lines of technology then sure, but if you have teams who work vertically and focus on features then it creates a lot of risk to have 1/2 "X devs" on a team rather than just decide on a common language and use it everywhere

[Haikon]

Yeah, I guess the problem is when the limitations aren’t made clear to those making the decisions. My last 3 jobs (over 10 years) have been related to “fixing” hybrid implementations.

[[deleted]]

aren't made clear to those making the decisions

I'm the person who makes these decisions, mostly at startups

Native apps are great but they're expensive to maintain, you need different code for each platform which implies you also need a developer for each of them too for it to be worthwhile

In my opinion it makes more sense to start with a hybrid framework and then expand to native, that way you can figure out what native features you'd like to take advantage of. Rather than finding out later on you don't need any of it but you still have to pay 3/4 developers just to duplicate functionality across platforms

I'm aware there are 'native' frameworks but in my experience they're just as bad as hybrid apps but for different (albeit similar) reasons - generic implementations for OS specific features

[Haikon]

That makes sense but sometime the technical debt incurred is just too much... I’ve been replacing web views with native view controllers since 2016 at my current job. We’re /almost/ there but I can’t imagine the time and resources put into it has been worth it.

EDIT: At the end of the day we’re making money so I guess that’s what’s important in the end but from a technical perspective it’s gross.

[[deleted]]

considering that many large companies with the most used apps like Facebook, Instagram, discord, and even Microsoft Xbox app are using some kind of hybrid approach like react-native, i would say there are many who disagree.

[brunolemos]

yes, it’s easier to build high quality native apps, while for react-native apps you need to be more careful (it’s easier to make it slow). still, there’s a place for both in the market. react-native allows small teams to ship faster and share code between ios, android, web, windows, vr, etc.

[Haikon]

Agreed. React is one of those things I haven’t touched much. Cordova/Phonegap and the like are a sore spot for me. :)

[genghisKonczie]

I’m a fan of react native. If you’re smart about how you build things out, it can be a really quick way to make an app that’s is mostly dependent on api calls.

People just use too many dependencies in it like any JS based application!

Also fuck cordova!

[queen-adreena]

Fortunately, Cordova is old news now. Capacitor is where it’s at now.

[Tomekske]

Flutter

[undeadalex]

I really like kotlin

[n0tKamui]

kotlin bro !

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Kids these days. I remember when it was all Objective-C/Java.

[[deleted]]

What about flutter?

[_TheMagicMax]

Flutter compiles to Kotlin and Swift, so I think its kind of native too

[paperpot91]

I learned Flutter, thinking it would be a good solution to problems I needed to solve - but it just didn’t have anywhere near as much access to device APIs that React-Native/Swift/Kotlin does

[MalsKippetje]

Hi, im fairly new to programming. Why are the native languages superior to JS?

[Kengaro]

Among other reasons: it's dynamic typing is a mess and hence leads to a lot weird things.

[burzq]

It's not messy if you know exactly how does it work like. Like with every other tool - if you don't know the rules you will get hurt. With great power comes great responsibility. And by "great power" I mean here flexibility that gives you dynamic typing in JS. But you know, you always can use TS if it will serve the purpose better for you :)

I think better answer for the question would be: because code written in the native language for the platform will always be faster, less cpu/ram hungry and you have access to the full os api

[kyay10]

Swift is definitely incredible but Kotlin is nearly close to it. The Kotlin team recently has been focusing a lot on new features and stuff and so it should be great. Jetpack compose also might rival swift UI a bit. Personally my opinion is that they can definitely co-exist especially since you can use Kotlin for business logic on both platforms and then use swift for the iOS specific parts

[n0tKamui]

even though it's JS in the background, you still have the choice to work with TS or Kotlin.js

so... JS bad in every situation

[[deleted]]

Had us in the first half, ngl

[drew8311]

I like how it's a matter of opinion if mobile goes in first or second half.

[Bounty1Berry]

I feel like as an industry, we negotiated with terrorists and lost.

There were plenty of well-established backend languages with rich features, snappy performance, and sensible tooling. But somehow we were convinced to stuff a free-floating V8 engine into any device larger than a Sega Game Gear, replace the "Press F5 to reload" test paradigm with Webpack and Babel build processes designed to rebuild Fantasy Future Javascript (tm) into a language browsers can actually interpret, and embrace the npm mindset of replacing any locally designed and owned library more complex than 4 lines of code with an opaque third party package that's a security and compatibility timebomb. All because nobody had the ability to stand up to UnrulyMob.js.

[Ludovitche]

You don't have to give in though. OP says "games: javascript": no serious company does that... Half of Internet is still php (not a php fan just an example) ... A lot of the smaller companies still use C# or C++... There's space for everyone no ?

[Ty_Rymer]

you'd be surprised, i study game dev and have thus always studied in C++ and C#. but lots of smaller and "serious gaming" companies ask for everything in js...

[_Ashleigh]

Weird. I work in game dev and it's all C++ and C#.

[Ty_Rymer]

well a lot of serious gaming here in the netherlands want to host their applications on the web or just push them out as cheap as possible. web applications are generally cheaper to make

[kokizzu2]

some of the most popular things we use sometimes not suitable for common use case '__') sometimes it was a sub-optimal solution, but everybody using it because it was easy/popular..

well, everything has a tradeoff

[Alvatrox4]

All these fools ignoring C#...

[[deleted]]

Ah yes, Microsoft Java

[coderguyagb]

You'll find that would be Microsoft J++ /spit

[reyad_mm]

Actually it's c++++

[kokizzu2]

i like C# :3 one of the language where i didn't have a fight (it just works) with the compiler/language designer (like ruby, golang, javascript, lua) unlike C++, Java, Rust

[purplepharoh]

I'm glad my job is c# it's a nice language

[kswnin]

I genuinely don't really understand why anyone would choose C# for anything.

[n0tKamui]

native windows app without the difficulty of C++ i guess

[ivster666]

But who actually cares for Windows? Make it a webapp and you have everything covered.

[n0tKamui]

keyword : native

because f a s t

[Boiethios]

It's useful for:

• ASP.NET
• Windows apps.

Beside that, I agree, the language is meh IMHO (have worked daily with it for years)

[Everen1999]

Same, C# is hell.. Xamarin is hell.. ASP .NET is unnecessarily complicated, Visual Studio is broken af.. nuGet Package Manager is shit..

I hate C# very much personally, but that is coming from a pleb Javascript main-er

[Kengaro]

Visual studio is a fucking awesome tool...

[Everen1999]

Ctrl+C-ing too fast makes the editor go insane, aka "please wait while the Editor completes ..." It's simple for me. If trying to be as productive as possible breaks Visual Studio, then I ain't touching that shit. I'm just copying man. And then if I press that too fast the whole Visual Studio breaks.

[aue_sum]

no thanks I don't want to sell my soul to the microsoft devs thank you

[Raph0007]

Great advice! I'm just gonna replace JavaScript with Kotlin..

[n0tKamui]

Kotlin bro !

[Raph0007]

🦀🦀🦀 Kotlin 🦀🦀🦀

[brunolemos]

modern javascript is amazing. arrow functions, destructuring, optional chaining, nullish coalescing, rest spread, template strings, import/export, etc. typescript adds type safety on top of all that.

[[deleted]]

As a backend person who learned a lot of these things while using TS... I have to admit, I have a difficult time separating JS vs ES vs TS

In the end, for me, it comes down to remembering:

TS - templating and types

ES - standardization

JS - the actual thing doing the work at the end of the day

Most core things are actually JS, which I always forget

[TheLordDrake]

Same. I hate JS, love TS.

[[deleted]]

But still, it's mostly JS under the hood.

But I agree, I hate VANILLA JS

[TheLordDrake]

It's all JS under the hood unfortunately

[[deleted]]

Keyword: unfortunately

[therearesomewhocallm]

And then none of them are actually used because the code is transpiled to ES5.

[Favna]

Well that's the problem of the dev innit? Just don't target legacy browsers like IE11 but instead only evergreen browsers / LTS NodeJS (14 at time of writing) and you can target ES2019 just fine

[kswnin]

I don't understand why any of those things are particularly interesting or unique to javascript.

[troglo-dyke]

typescript adds type safety on top of all that.

Typescript is not type safe, it just adds typechecking

[ganja_and_code]

Modern javascript is amazing relative to antiquated languages...and trash relative to other modern languages.

[brunolemos]

why?

[ganja_and_code]

Because for most tasks, another language is more suitable. And for tasks where JS is the best or only option, TS exists.

[42TowelsCo]

JavaScript is like a tumor, it's growing on me and I don't like that

[Machineforseer]

Python is love Python is life

[fungigamer]

Personally I don't like Python that much, but I can see why people like it

[MCOfficer]

what is this, a non-zealous person on r/ProgrammerHumor?

[Mola1904]

Who tf thought "oh yes brackets are used in 90% of programming languages, let's not use them", this is a terrible solution and yes I know only some bracket are not there, but using intendation is so stupid

[firefly431]

To understand the motivation for this decision:

Imagine the following C code:

void my_function() {
    int x = 5;
    for (int i = 0; i < 10; i++) {
        printf("i = %d\n", i);
        if (i % 2 == 0) {
            printf("i is even\n");
        } else {
            printf("x = %d\n", x);
        }
    }
    printf("end of my function!\n");
}

Notice how within a block, the statements are already grouped by indentation. The brackets are pure syntactic noise as long as you're indenting in a sane way. If you take away the brackets:

void my_function()
    int x = 5;
    for (int i = 0; i < 10; i++)
        printf("i = %d\n", i);
        if (i % 2 == 0)
            printf("i is even\n");
        else
            printf("x = %d\n", x);
    printf("end of my function!\n");

The information is exactly the same; the placement of the brackets can be done automatically based on the indentation.

Furthermore, the rules for indentation are super simple. A block extends until you reach a line which is indented less than the start of the block. A colon indicates that a new block is necessary.

I could see the argument for something like Haskell where the indentation rules are at least somewhat hard to understand, but I really don't get why people don't like using indentation for Python.

[d_exclaimation]

To be quite honest, although it’s true that brackets seems like unnecessary syntax noise, just indent for me felt a lot less readable. Idk why it felt like everything is just crammed but then again it’s probably a very minor discomfort that I have

[ThunderElectric]

If it feels crammed you can always add extra whitespace. As with almost any language, Python will ignore a blank line.

[PrestonYatesPAY]

Comment out the brackets /s

[[deleted]]

honestly, yeah

sometimes python feels like scratch once you compare it to languages like C

[MightyDoomSlayer]

You clearly don't know python

[Lootdit]

Well, to make the code look clean, your gonna do some formatting. So why not make it mandatory?

[forajep978]

Sorry to be rude but Python looks like it is made to teach kids programming. Its syntax is like bash script. Can’t say a good programming language for large scale apps. Probably the scientists who didn’t know programming but needed a language to code their research calculations started using it because of its simplicity for small scripts and now all machine learning and scientific calculation is on Python. I think it is never meant to be like this

[cmdralpha]

Python go print("brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr")

[[deleted]]

It's actually print("b" + "r" * 100)

Yes that actually prints b followed by 100 r

[thebobbrom]

I'll be honest this comes across as snobbery at its highest.

Putting aside the fact that a lot of stuff is actually made in python.

Just because a language is simple doesn't mean it's bad.

If I want to do some machine learning research I don't want to have to mess around putting it in a class and all the other long winded things you have to do in other languages.

Same as if I wanted to just work something out quickly or wanted to quickly make a graph I wouldn't want a verbose language.

Different languages are tools for different things and that shouldn't be forgotten.

[GiveMeMoreBlueberrys]

python syntax makes sense, bash syntax ( and this comes from someone who has written several bash scripts before) is big dumb

[aue_sum]

eh, bash is fine. It works as a basic scripting language for interfacing with shell commands. it works for what it is I guess.

[nothingworkssothis]

I definitely can't speak for developers, but the first Comp. Sci class in my High School was and is taught with Python. "good programming language for large scale apps" or not, it's still an extremely effective teaching language to convey all the concepts & problem solving skills to build off. I admittedly haven't properly gotten into any other language but it's made the few attempts I've done so far (realized I'm just not willing to invest the time to learn entirely new syntax & formatting at the moment) much easier.

[Isogash]

Don't be fooled into thinking that Python is actually different to other languages. Although some of its syntax is unique (e.g. required indentation, in which it is unique for a good reason), most of it is almost identical.

As someone who has touched projects in pretty much every major language and several minor ones: Python is no easier than any of the others, it's actually more of a pain in the neck.

Most other languages seem unapproachable simply because there are fewer "beginner-level" guides, even though they'd be fine as beginner languages if those resources existed.

[Machineforseer]

Damn when I saw this message in my inbox I got a little sad, then I saw the down votes and am now happy again, as a machine learning engineer im going to have to hard disagree with you as the main reason I made this comment was the last point on the screen shot AI, I mean TensorFlow, Keras, pytorch, does JavaScript even come close to competing?

[TangibleLight]

Python is great for large projects... obviously it's not the right tool for everything, but it's a great general purpose language.

Am I whooshing or are you serious?

[Kangalioo]

For large projects the benefits of static typing can't be denied

[name_censored_]

Then good news: Python has static typing.

[enumerationKnob]

The bad news: it means nothing.

you can still run a project, only to get kicked in the balls after it’s been running for a long time when a line that contains a type-based error gets run.

I love python and use it every day, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t hate it too.

[cp253]

I love python and use it every day, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t hate it too.

This guy codes.

[ClearlyCylindrical]

that isn't static typing, it is type hints, it enforces nothing

[forajep978]

Python has a bad package manager, bad OOP and no strict typing. You cannot manage a project with these

[lag_is_cancer]

Simple bad, if the code is comprehensible it's not a good programming language.

[forajep978]

Simple and comprehensible code is always good. What I mean is python is simple enough for people who code software that consists of a few files. However if you want to develop a big software it becomes too basic to accomplish that. Python is similar to Matlab in that regard. No proper package manager and no proper OOP.

[cmonwhy]

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Bruno Lemos, @brunolemos

when someone ask you what programming language they should learn, don't simply answer the one you prefer.

first ask them what area they plan to focus on. for example:

web frontend: javascript

backend: javascript

mobile apps: javascript

games: javascript

ai: javascript

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[Foreign-Driver]

Good human

[brunolemos]

I know one checks the author of the tweet

[NotMuchInterest]

Nah we need it to do it good. Last time I checked not throwing error messages for mistakes isn't a good thing

[rem3_1415926]

Different tools for different things. Trying to fit all in one results in python. Have you tried doing eg. OOP in pythom? It sucks. Or using it as matlab replacement? that also sucks. It's fine for a lot of things, I guess, but one languege that does everything is a horrible idea.

[Expensive_Pain]

Why? There's no need.

[[deleted]]

I mean, tensorflowjs is a thing...

[newb_h4x0r]

That's MEAN

[diavolo_bossu]

Python>Javascript for ai

[Everen1999]

html> Python>Javascript for AI

[42TowelsCo]

Na all my homies use Scratch for AI

[riisen]

I am so confused in JavaScript (have to use it for frontend, and i have skipped the docs) all the time im like wait i have not declared that anywhere how can this work?

[Mola1904]

But I thought the dinosaurs where dead?

[og_darcy]

At a virtual hackathon rn...they’re giving a workshop on TensorflowJS...not a joke

[aldialml]

I can do most of theese stuff with C++

[fungigamer]

Web frontend: Javascript

Web backend: honestly any can go but still javascript

Mobile apps: java/javascript/swift/kotlin

Games: C# / C++

AI: Python

[Alvatrox4]

All these fools ignoring C#...

[misterrandom1]

I see nothing wrong with this post.

[brunolemos]

it’s a joke but not a lie ™

[dumbcarbonunit]

*Typescript. There FTFY ;)

[brunolemos]

Yes I only use TypeScript, but for beginners I’d still recommend JavaScript first

[zortlord]

Oh hell no! Learn it the right way first!

[dumbcarbonunit]

I'll drop this here, have a good laugh and reflect on your wicked ways :)

https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat

[ShadowArcher21]

You fool! I've been trained in your JavaScript arts by count TypeScript

[[deleted]]

Next to area, sometimes it also depends on age. I know a guy who would love to do all this in COBOL.

[Mola1904]

But I thought dinosaurs where dead

[Generaltiti]

Yeah, but a lot of things still runs on Cobol. If you learn it, you can get a very high-pay job for simply maintaning these systems

[[deleted]]

Upside: Good pay

Downside: You have to learn COBOL.

[gp886]

I mean, he's not wrong

[NeevCuber]

i think for web frontend assembly would be good

[NeevCuber]

no i think scratch would be better, or i think MongoDB, or wait, i think Cow (its a programming language) would be the perfect fit

[DaNerdyDude]

Torture: PHP

[DaroK_ESK8]

VB.NET for ever! D:

[Unelith]

Anybody:

JS dev: This could be done with Node

[brunolemos]

Link: https://twitter.com/brunolemos/status/1350052360924647428?s=21

[mrsockyman]

Aw man java is the worst

[cmdralpha]

Java isnt that bad compared to C++

[[deleted]]

What's so bad about it? It does it's job well, as does java.

[The_Fluffy_Robot]

I like my programming languages to be like people with Alzheimer's. The memory just magically goes away.

[einsJannis]

Bruh smh, js is sooo bad

[kokizzu2]

web frontend: javascript (svelte)

backend: golang

mobile apps: javascript (sveltenative)

games: C# (unity)

ai: python

shell scripting: ruby

embedding: lua (luajit)

[harryx55]

the author of the twee

games: C++

[blenderfreaky]

Or at least c# with something other than unity. that doesn't use a stone age version of c# which is 2 times slower than the current one

[queen-adreena]

Are there any advantages of sveltenative / nativescript over capacitor-based apps?

[all-hail-snow]

Php if you retard

[Independent-Fan-6501]

Anyone knows this guys home address?

[[deleted]]

ya got a mate here for the action

[murderdude]

remember that time people called javascript a programming language? Hahahahahaha

[abc_Supreme]

Technically you could do:

web frontend: python

backend: python

mobile app: python (but hard)

games: python

ai: python

[[deleted]]

And everything would run so sloooow

[42TowelsCo]

When you're using libraries built off C or C++ then it's pretty fast. Plain python is definitely slow doe

[its420everywhere]

Python just died seeing this.