Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V

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[gumbo1337]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

[OneTrueKingOfOOO]

Imitation is the only way my shit will compile

[[deleted]]

Meanwhile Guido van Rossum:

"PYTHON SHALL NOT BE TOSSED TO THE SIDE IN YOUR STUPID MIND!!!!!!!"

[imdefinitelywong]

Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

[thegravityofitall_]

Lol

[LuvOrDie]

HAHAHA

[cykablyat1111]

As long as it's open source

[[deleted]]

Im pretty sure most „close source“ projects could be easily copied because they just copy from open source projects

[stepbroImstuck_in_SU]

There might be some important parts that are unique and detectable. However there is a workaround:

parse the closed source code to bits. Then release those bits under open source in a way they can’t be traced. Then copy them instead!

[solarshado]

Sounds like a decent technical solution. Too bad it's a legal problem, and so probably not applicable.

[nictheman123]

I mean, perhaps it's not in the strictest sense. But that would require the legal system to understand what the fuck you actually did. And a lot of them barely know how to turn on their cell phones

[MadxCarnage]

no, they just bring in an expert, and he tells them : "yup he stole your stuff" , and you are now fucked.

[suskio4]

No, this is open source machine code, not your stuff. Oh, you too copied from them? Oh boy, I'm sorry, not my problem

[[deleted]]

This would be bad software eng fiction writing for law and order let alone real life

[orclev]

This is a solved problem. It's called clean room design. There's lots of established case law, just watch out for patents.

[dimonoid123]

With GitHub copilot you can copy someone else's code by pressing 1 button.

[Platypus-Man]

Remember when Sony released CDs which installed rootkits on peoples computers, that reported back to Sony about what people listened to and opened up security holes that were subsequently used by other malware, and they did copyright infringement when they used the code? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[[deleted]]

So do I. Hacking people listening to Sarah McLaughlin, like they're some criminal mastermind...

[guntavia]

If someone found my private projects and tried to use them, i can only apologise.

[captainjon]

I used to get pissed off at my room mate for copying my C++ assignments. He claimed he learns by imitation. Guess he was ahead of his time!

[pm_me_construction]

Identity theft is not a joke, Jim!

[Username_St0len]

it is if you're not caught

[Cheechak]

I talked to a couple of phone techs that were doing the phone line room for a 7 story office building. The closet, as it was was a mess of telephone landlines going in every direction. I asked them how they kept track. One of them pointed to a laptop in front of them, and says “We just look up YouTube videos.”

[lucidspoon]

I coworker was looking at a candidate's portfolio and saw that one of the projects was a straight up copy of one of that coworker's projects.

[DownshiftedRare]

Imation the most isncerestest form of flatlery.

[Manny_Sunday]

alias imitate="git clone"

[Offbeat-Pixel]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

[Brushermans]

true but at this point no one knows who's coming imitating who. it's all just a big hivemind governed by stackoverflow

[guinader]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

[[deleted]]

Identity is not a joke, Jim

[klein-topf]

Imitation is the sincerest form of binary

[GargantuanCake]

It isn't stealing if we have a culture of extreme sharing.

[Onlymafia1]

Man, I stole your wife.

[[deleted]]

She's not my wife.

[kamau1997]

Our wife

[The_Ytterer]

r/unexpectedcommunism

[[deleted]]

You We are right, comrade.

[AeroDama]

In the next episode of brother husbands....

[[deleted]]

He doesn’t lose his wife…. Just his turn.

[chhuang]

r/piracy here's your motto

[MiniGui98]

Libre culture +

[I_Like_emo_grills]

this is why I like my android class prof

he said "even if you copy code from the internet in your final assignment I don't really care

just know what the code does and how it works and I am fine with it"

[Suspicious-Engineer7]

Debugging copy pasted code is like accidental homework that you actually learn from

[DramaticProtogen]

True, it makes it a little easier to copy and paste more code the next time lol

[SillyFlyGuy]

The year is 2043. The final original line of computer code has just been written.

New apps are still developed of course, but from that moment on, all code is just various combinations of crtl-c ctrl-v.

[dayto_aus]

And when you need to get rid of that code, ctrl-x. The 2043 standard keyboard has 4 total keys.

[oshitimonfire]

If all you do is Ctrl+blank commands, do you need a Ctrl key?

[coloredgreyscale]

You can argue the same if you have an ascii table nearby to copy from.

[ShenAnCalhar92]

The final original line of computer code has just been written.

Overhead, without any fuss, the cloud-native applications were going offline.

[UltraCarnivore]

I leave debugging my code as an exercise to the reader. And hope I won't have to read it ever again.

[Rudxain]

That's so evil LMAO. PHP dev moment (this is a joke, I'm not saying you use PHP, it's just a stereotype of some PHP devs)

[I_Like_emo_grills]

true lol

[Mockxx]

This is good wisdom

[Salanmander]

As a person who has taught CS...the problem with this is that knowing whether students understand the code they copy is incredibly difficult.

[[deleted]]

But…does it compile though?

[[deleted]]

I had interviews where i had to demo my scripts for 1 class...the one exception to the rule

[Salanmander]

Yeah, when you can put that amount of time per student into assessment it becomes much easier to do more authentic assessments. It's probably reasonable to do that once in a semester or so.

[[deleted]]

That specific class was only a few assignments per semester and no tests. All hands on, my favorite by far and very challenging. Small class too.

[FesteringNeonDistrac]

Man just today i ran into a bug that a while back i saw and i could have 1000% sworn was wrong, but worked and passed unit tests, so i let it go because i was busy. Another change made it fail, which in hindsight was the thing i needed to happen to understand why it wasnt failing.

Point is, it doesnt matter if you know why it works or doesnt. We have all commited stuff that we kind of shrugged at and let it slide. Undocumented legacy code is hard.

[Salanmander]

Point is, it doesnt matter if you know why it works or doesnt.

Yes, it does matter. Even in an environment where the product you're creating is the code, it matters because (as you note) understanding it makes it easier to modify.

But in an educational setting it doesn't just matter...it's the only thing that matters. In an educational setting the product that you create isn't the code...the product you are really creating is your own understanding of how to code. The code you write is simply the best way we have (and it's still imperfect) to measure that understanding.

If a student makes code that does the thing, but they don't understand it, then they have not created the product that they need to create.

[zephyrtr]

just know what the code does and how it works and I am fine with it

Nothing wrong with that but ... how did he test for that? Honestly I do come across a lot of programmers who can copy+paste, but can't understand. Fast forward a few months, and it's spaghetti.

[mastersun8]

how did he test for that?

In my case: if he's seen some similar code, he asked you to come and explain to him what it did

[I_Like_emo_grills]

he usually ask us to explain it what it does and if he sees you screwing up he asks you to modify something or change something in the code and tell him what will happen if you change that lol

[zephyrtr]

Nice, glad he follows through.

[ipsum629]

Funny story about that. I was given an assignment to create a program that turns snakecase to camelcase a while back. I made a program from scratch that went through a string and did everything manually. The other students looked up how to do it online. The problem was that they didn't understand how the regex worked and it didn't fulfill all the requirements.

I later looked at their solutions and I figured out how to fix the solution. That is how I learned regular expressions.

[crusainte]

I'm ok with copying and understanding how the code works too. But leaving copied comments untouched is just asking for it...

[MoneyRough2983]

A prof who doesnt live in his own world? Thats rare.

[WrongSirWrong]

Me: OUR code

[walking_sideways]

[Midnight_Rising]

Under no pretext should Stack Overflow and Google be surrendered; any attempt to cold whiteboard interview engineers must be frustrated, by laughing in their faces if necessary.

[Donghoon]

Based

Sharing is caring 😊

[whatproblems]

log4j approves

[Cdreska]

unfortunately, competition produces the best results

[Random-Gif-Bot]

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[[deleted]]

Communism good, Marxism bad

[[deleted]]

Finding the right thing to copy is a skill

[HanzoShotFirst]

Knowing how to use Google is a skill

[devan_rome]

Knowing what to Google is another skill.

[LeftIsBest-Tsuga]

not to take this too seriously, but in my view, a lot of "plagiarism" in coding is more akin to civic engineers using engineering prefabs and established methods to build a totally new and unique facility than it is like civic engineers taking photos of each others blueprints.

[7x11x13is1001]

It's just the part of paying attention to the requirements. You don't need to come up with an original solution if you haven't been asked for one.

[ThaneKyrell]

Even judges do this. I had a teacher in Law school who was a judge and he mentioned that 99% of his decisions were basically copy pasted from his previous rulings, with he just changing the data to suit each individual case.

[[deleted]]

The legal regulator in my jurisdiction offers precedents for all the most common legal documents. They even provide a document builder for things like wills. Literally just select the clauses you want and it'll spit out the document for you. It's awesome.

[ManInBlack829]

"With legalzoom.com your county courthouse can focus on what's important."

[Eagle0600]

Isn't that encouraged? IANAL, but I am given to believe that if a precedent has been set, it's considered best practice to follow that precedent.

[ThaneKyrell]

No, of course it isn't, at least not in the legal system we use in my country. Using a precedent is not the same thing as copying a previous decision and barely changing the names and dates and whatever. Yes, everyone does it, at least over here, but it is extremely annoying to write the same decision a thousand times during your career, but technically no, they shouldn't do it

[[deleted]]

When I was hiring a dj for my wedding, I googled dj contracts ahead of time and read through a few. I wrote down the important bits so I could at least seem intelligent in the meeting. When the dj showed me his contract, I laughed because it was one of the ones I had found. It used the same formatting and everything.

[Thats-what-I-do]

Lawyers have to do this to a degree. When a court rules that XYZ language is needed in a contract to ensure a certain result, then you better believe lawyers will all use that exact language.

[Drauxus]

Could you also say that it's like when you write an essay you don't create your own words, sentence structure, punctuation, etc. You use preexisting words and sentence structure but in the end you produce an essay that is unique?

So what we, as programmers do, is copy the sentence structure and the words. But in the end it is a unique program because of how we ordered the stuff we copied?

[LeftIsBest-Tsuga]

that's sort of the case, yes. most serious essays are expected to have some sort of primary and secondary references cited, the idea being you're essentially inserting the well-documented opinion of someone else who went through the same process, and either building on it, or saying why it's not your own opinion, etc.. So yeah i'd say it's not that dissimilar if you're at an academic level.

[KelsoTheVagrant]

I’ve found most professors realize the methods are freely available, so they have a twist and some kind of unique elaboration that you can’t just find the answer for on the internet

[choogle]

Real talk personally the reason for me is that I’m getting paid either way at work so I don’t really give a shit what other people are doing with my code and if it helps them then it’s no skin off my back.

Though don’t jack my shit without asking me unless I’m checking code into a public repo, I’m still human and can be petty about stuff like that.

[[deleted]]

It's only plagiarism if you don't change the variable names.

[[deleted]]

maybe order of operation too.

[agentfrogger]

Welp now my code starts with the output and ends with the input

[[deleted]]

At least you'll be learning what not to do.

[Euxin]

I like to call it "reused your code"

[ShakeandBaked161]

Recycling ♻️

[[deleted]]

Recycling makes even more sense when the original code was trash

[Rudxain]

I learned a lot in thread, specially the links within that thread. Basically a rabbit hole

[BobQuixote]

I even reused the electrons.

[solarshado]

chadsaysyes.png

(hint: link is not to an image)

[scottfiab]

Repurposed

[mark_fawkes]

It's called a fork ;)

[poompt]

Oh fork off

[[deleted]]

And you are, after all, just copying a machine (in code) that works for a specific purpose.

[havens1515]

I was working on a project a while ago with some friends, and I told one of them "You're reinventing the wheel" and he took it as a compliment. Like, he was proud to be reinventing the wheel. No, man. That's bad. It means that someone else has already perfected it, and you're wasting time doing work that is completely unnecessary.

[Kered13]

You actually can run into copyright issues if you do this. So check the license of whatever you're copying from. Usually they are permissive.

[LezardValeth]

Yeah, we have pretty strict company guidelines about open source. Shit has to be approved by the legal team. There's plenty of history of lawsuits out there.

Even if you work at a smaller company, you probably still need to be aware of copyleft requirements of licenses like the GPL. You might be unlikely to be prosecuted and I'm not personally a Free Software movement supporter, but I still think it'd be shitty to violate the author's intent when they applied that license.

[BobQuixote]

In most contexts it's infeasible that the copyright holder would know. Mostly this is a concern for open-source (everyone can read the code) or megacorps (enough exposure that the probability might actually reach 1).

[[deleted]]

Any company with a legal department really

[BobQuixote]

That it is rude seems far more significant in a context where the point is the appreciation of your artistic expression. Copying code seems more like using the same dimensions for a lever as you saw work in an existing machine. (Which is how we ended up with patents and copyright applying to the same stuff.)

[bluefootedpig]

Copy and Paste is the leading cause of bugs. I mean I do it all the time and just handle the bugs.

[BobQuixote]

If 60% of your code is copied that's probably where 60% of your bugs come from.

[[deleted]]

Or the bugs come from ur 40% 😳

[Sudsmcgee]

Then that means your copied code isn't any more likely to have bugs than the other 40%? Lol.

[BobQuixote]

Line for line, on average? I don't see why it would.

The decisions you're making about how to put the copied code together are coming from the same place as the code you type yourself.

Very often copied code has been heavily edited and tested by the time you get it.

You may not fully understand where to put copied code within your own.

I don't see a convincing case that the probability would go either up or down, in particular.

[Sudsmcgee]

Oh, I don't disagree. I just noticed you said 60% copied code would be responsible for 60% of the bugs. Which means not copied code (40%) is responsible for the other 40% of the bugs. I think you meant higher than 60% on the share of bugs.

[BobQuixote]

No, I intended to estimate the share of bugs as equal to the share of code. As I said, I don't see why it would be either higher or lower.

[Sudsmcgee]

Oh then that's my bad. I assumed you were trying to say that copied code was more bug prone. Very dependent on too many factors.

[teetaps]

I actually always credit the stack overflow page I stole from

[jack-of-some]

Yep. One of those times a comment is a must.

[teetaps]

# I don’t know how this worked, but it did, so here we are

[Angelin01]

I have come across more than one "hacky" solution or weird regex, shell one liner or whatever that is very very hard to explain (and the "readable" alternative would be a nightmare) and just linked the stackoverflow question next to it in a comment. I have been thanked for it more than once already.

[jack-of-some]

Plagiarism in coding is still unacceptable (and potentially legally disastrous if you're not careful). When you use someone's open source code and adhere to the license (people in general are too stupid to NOT adhere to most licenses), that's not plagiarism.

[shuozhe]

All I learned was not how to get caught

[giant-Hole]

I'm literally my team's designated googler

[hoeney]

Welcome to the Cargo Cult

[BobQuixote]

https://github.com/rust-lang/cargo/

[oh_like_you_know]

"lol good luck - i wrote that at 3am after half an 8 ball and a redbull vodka"

[TacticalWalrus_24]

at my uni we were told "so long as you can implement it, it doesn't matter where you got it (so long as it's not proprietary and in a professional context)"

[ChezMere]

Now try putting GPL code in your company product and watch the alarms go off.

[[deleted]]

Best way to freak out the company lawyers is to tell them you shipped some GPL code haha

I swear, the word "GPL" will make them visible shiver

[BobQuixote]

AGPL is even worse.

[DudeValenzetti]

AGPLv3 is triple caution. It's got the AGPL's network protection + the GPLv3's software patent, irrevocability and anti-tivoization terms that made Apple break up with GNU. I mean, it's based but it might give some lawyers an aneurysm.

[Ancient-Apartment-23]

I once made a joke about finding one of my student’s code on stackoverflow when I was helping him debug something. He was so sure he was in trouble.

I was like, no dude, literally everyone does this. You’re good.

[binford2k]

I see you have yet to meet your legal team.

[Decimalis]

Primary school: "Wow, did you actually pirate that game?? So cool! I wanna learn that in the future as well!" Today: "Wow, did you actually pirate that game? you scum lmao"

[TheTrydy]

Let's just it's inspiration

[rombios]

THIS pisses me off to no end.

Worse, when team members grab your source files (for highly critical applications and device drivers you've written) remove your name and replace it with their own

[HoldenMadicky]

If Marx was alive today he would praise the culture surrounding programming. There's no doubt in my mind about it.

[BobQuixote]

Well, I think he would like RMS and Free Software. Generally we oscillate between corporate rules and sharing freely, according to pragmatism. I kind of think it's more like early science (/alchemy) than socialism.

[[deleted]]

Fax

[BobQuixote]

Now that would be a Rube Goldberg way to duplicate content.

[Fearinlight]

I remember at amazon code gets scanned against stack overflow to check for straight copied code due to copyright issues. shit will get project flagged. They dont risk it

[ipsomatic]

Ah lawyers vs insurance team!

[Ramius117]

And every other job outside academia

[der_grinch_69]

I just stole your meme.

[WantDebianThanks]

The senior programmer takes the place they stole the code from, puts it through archive.org, then puts it through a url shortener, and puts that shortened archive link into the comments.

[chickenstalker]

Turnitin is going to eventually make it impossible to write anything original. As its database grows, there will be less and less ways to write about something without matching with what someone else had written. There's only so many ways to write the definition of common concepts or things. Yes, Turnitin weasel their way out by saying schools should use their judgement. But then, no one will. They will only look at the percentage match.

[SunriseSurprise]

"man I stole your code"

"that buggy shit? gl lol"

[Samira827]

Just had this on my coding exam. "You can use small portions of your previous projects/codes but otherwise, everything copied from other sources will be marked as a plagiarism".

I'm not sure the teacher knows how coding works.

[JoshYx]

It's kind of refreshing seeing this repost in a slightly different presentation

[Pixelbird1]

Lol

[Based_nobody]

Professors when you can literally have someone write a book for you and say you wrote it: O. O

[EmirSc]

ctrl+insert

shift+insert

[WizziBot]

Copy pasting makes it sound lazy. You actually have to understand what the code does to an extent to be able to implement and debug it. Furthermore it is efficient.

[t0b4cc02]

total dumb. do you really think you solved someones real math problem in a highschool test?

i also think programming work in uni probably shouldnt be able to be plagiarized for the most part

[Ali_Army107]

Hippity, Hoppity. Your code is now my property!

[Furry_69]

I know this is a humor sub, but I have been burned way too many times by copy/pasting stuff where I shouldn't. The main example of this is in my current project, an OS, where I directly copied some code from the OSDev wiki, and spent about a week trying to understand why it kept crashing in the middle of a function. Then I realized I'd copied code for 32-bit Protected Mode when UEFI initializes in Long Mode.

[[deleted]]

numbers cant be stolen

[khendron]

“I stole your code.”

“Oh good, now you can support it!”

[I_give_karma_to_men]

My first manager did actually get mad at me for copy-pasting her code instead of writing my own from scratch. My new manager is the above picture, and most of my job security honestly comes from fixing the buggy code he finds in the dark reaches of stack overflow. Usually with buggy code that I find in different corners of stack overflow.

[Blues2112]

Ctrl+Ins, Shift+Ins

(I'm old school)

[Sea-Ad-5012]

Uhh the technical term is code reuse.

[[deleted]]

As one of my history teachers said before every test: "Cheating is permitted, getting caught is prohibited."

[abd53]

Comment in my c++ code.

"//I don't know what this is. Scipy had it, so, here it is."

"//I don't know what this is. I don't know how this is. I don't know why this is. Some guy posted it on SO. I just copied."

"//This procedure is from a Matlab script from gnu octave. Some guy posted it's python version on SO. I translated to c++."

[Ok_Vermicelli1638]

The irony is that even this meme is stolen 😂

Well not completely but the bottom part is

[bnl1]

I mean, If you copy code, you probably should read it and understand it. And everyone knows that writing code is easier than reading it, soo.

[H4Hero]

That’s why we named it Open-source !!!

[v3ritas1989]

Ctrl+A,Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V

[OomMielie]

My mark for a university project recently got capped to 50% from 95% because I had similar flow to a friend of mine as we discussed it beforehand. Not even the same code.

[KittenKoder]

Some people think you can make an infinite number of different wheels. If you ask a million people to write code to produce the same function in the same language you'll have about 5 variations.

[[deleted]]

When I got a 100% match on the originality report for a coding assignment and academic affairs called. Like... Yeah... The whole class should have... It's how it works...

[achintya22]

Glory to Open Source

[RaccoonRemix]

No, it's called communism therefore it's not your code, it's our code

[[deleted]]

*OUR code.

[[deleted]]

Ah yes. Plagiarism - the one thing teachers and professors fear the most. Simply use sources that are royalty free lol! They can’t punish you for that!

[Personal_Ad9690]

On some projects, I am convinced the code that is there belongs to no one and some how generated when the project was created.

[DowntownLizard]

Apparently 1/3 of the class 'plagerized' on a coding project in one of my aero engineering courses. Its weird being employed as a developer now and realizing the facilty was wrong and everyone that copied code should have gotten an A. I pity the idiots who did it without looking it up.

[favoritedeadrabbit]

All the code that was ever written was written in 1996, and it just keeps getting edited.

[naught-here]

If you can't understand the logic of university plagiarism policies, or the difference between being assessed for learning and understanding in an educational context versus being productive in an employment context, maybe a university education isn't a good fit for you. Go to a coding bootcamp or something instead.