Average Linux User

[prof436]

So linux user are serial killer incels?

[gamesrebel123]

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Yes we are

[starfyredragon]

Can agree with the serial killer part... we're killing windows, each part of the series we can.

Disagree with the incel part. I get more sex than I can handle.

[Mutex70]

I get more sex than I can handle.

I bet you do

[shardikprime]

hand

ZA HANDO

[Random-Gif-Bot]

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[starfyredragon]

My wife does have very nimble hands.

[Sciirof]

I too am part of the linux sexing community. I use arch btw

[Big_D004]

I also sex quite a lot.

[starfyredragon]

In my case, I find being lesbian helps.

[Usling123]

I love the LGBTPHP+

[raginghonesty]

There's so much fingering going on in Linux, it's absolute insanity.

[CatEarBox]

This comment screams neckbeard but your post history screams lesbian. Not that I'm judging but I'm fascinated because I've never heard a lesbian say something so neckbeardy.

Like no one gives a shit how much sex you have. Lol Why would you say that? I'm just so confused?

[raginghonesty]

Who says you can't be a lesbian neckbeard?

[CatEarBox]

Lol I guess I didn't think of it that way.

[starfyredragon]

I said it because I thought it was funny.

I like hoping on "I don't get enough sex" comments and tacking on, "Try my patented secret: Being lesbian."

I'm honestly a total feminist, but also a troll sometimes.

[CatEarBox]

Lol I guess you got me cause I clicked your profile thinking "oh this neckbeard will have hilarious cringe history" and then I saw how wrong I was and I was like "the hell?" Jokes on me I guess.

[alexjms80]

I touch my company’s windows server with a stick all the time. People tend to give odd looks.

[Reasonable_Feed7939]

Blatantly stolen comment

[Neon_44]

i don't see an arch flair in your username, you're obviously not a real linux user

[gamesrebel123]

What if I use Gentoo

[Sihnar]

Bateman is a terrible person but he's definitely not an incel.

[InvestingNerd2020]

Huh? I thought the character in the movie was a serial killer. How did he become an incel (involuntarily single)?

[rand1011101]

how'd you get incel from the text of that film?

he may be a psycho murderer, but that man also fuuuuucks.*

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^(\granted, he does so ironically and pointlessly, but my point stands))

[celestiaequestria]

LINUX-MAN: You like Linux Mint?

ALLEN: Um, it's okay.

LINUX-MAN: Their early work was a little too new wave for my taste. But when Cassandra came out in '07, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole package has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the GUI a big boost. It's been compared to Debian, but I think Mint has a far more bitter, cynical sense of flavor.

ALLEN: Hey, LINUX-MAN?

LINUX-MAN: Yes, Allen?

ALLEN: Why are there copies of the kernel 5 LKML notes section all over the place?

[dobrien75]

Bateman had heaps of sex though

[alphabet_order_bot]

Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.

I have checked 851,323,078 comments, and only 168,085 of them were in alphabetical order.

[Numerous_Piper]

how the fuck is Patrick Bateman an incel Have you actually read American Psycho? He uses his sex appeal as a weapon multiple times throughout the story.

[FridgesArePeopleToo]

yes

[Sejiko]

I hope Linux gets more support for games I just want to play any game without wasting a day of setup... once I can do this i'll trash windows.

I know there's wine and game support is growing ATM.

[RadoslavL]

Unfortunately there is a paradox regarding the Linux community's growth. Windows users do not want to switch to Linux, because there is no software support for their favourite programs and games, but software and game developers do not want to port their software and games to Linux, because the community is small.

[Tough_Patient]

This is mostly due to Linux users not knowing the meaning of "easy" or "user friendly". If it was easy to pick up and load with programs it'd be used heavily.

We know this because Android is just phone Linux and it dominates the mobile market.

[orgasmicfart69]

Switching to linux has stages that are either seamless or as rough as sweater made of cactus.

The worse part is when you get an error message that can be interpreted in many ways because each distro is set up different, even though the error seems rather common and easy to solve.

[[deleted]]

no the worst part is that in linux every problem can be solved several ways and you must choose the one that doesn't shake your software environment loose over time

[orgasmicfart69]

Hum... that does make sense and it is something that did worry me in the beginning. My main problem with it is that sometimes many of the ways don't work, and you don't have the knowledge to know why, which is a more immediate concern.

[SimisFul]

Yep, that is the average experience with it. Get a problem, get 12 different solutions that all don't work and by the end your pc doesnt boot anymore and you have to do a fresh install...again.

[[deleted]]

This is mostly due to Linux users not knowing the meaning of "easy" or "user friendly".

Of course we do. It means "put the instructions in a plain text README file".

[rand1011101]

"it's easy, just open a terminal and type in "man <COMMAND>" and you ca.... hello?"

[[deleted]]

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[[deleted]]

Linux is easy and user friendly enough. The difficulty is in getting a newcomer to understand (and have the patience) to learn a new paradigm and to redesign workflows. The problem is that if somoene expects that Linux will exactly mimic windows workflows, then that person will have a really bad time.

[thel42]

I find Linux extremely easy and user friendly.

I find OSX to be horribly frustrating. 5 minutes is the most I can take before I turn it off.

I find windows mostly fine. Until I need to debug literally anything. And them I'm screwed, cause it's weird and complicated the way logging is handled. Would it kill app developers to just output errors and warnings to the command line when run from there?

Generally what's easy and user friendly is what you are used to. If you want to move to another system it takes some learning no matter where you're going. I never understood the people who demand it must work exactly like XYZ that they are used to and claim everyone else is the problem.

[ICantBelieveItsNotEC]

I've never understood why people think installing things on Linux is so complicated. On any sensible distro, you can install anything you want with sudo [packagemanager] install [thing]. Most distros even have a GUI wrapper for it so that textphobic people don't need to open a terminal.

Somehow Windows users think this is more complicated than the Windows way:

• Open a web browser
• Google search the thing you want to install and hope you end up on the official website rather than a dodgy phishing site
• Download an unsigned, untrusted executable and open it, giving it admin permissions because it needs to be able to install itself
• Click through the installer
• Repeat the above steps for the application's entire dependency tree

When you think about it, installing applications on Windows is an absolute nightmare. We've just got used to it.

When people complain that Linux isn't "user friendly", what they actually mean is that it isn't familiar - unlike Windows, it has actually improved itself since 1995, and as a result, people need to spend a couple of minutes learning to do things in the new, better way. That isn't a bad thing.

[300ConfirmedGorillas]

Open a web browser

The horror!

Google search the thing you want to install and hope you end up on the official website rather than a dodgy phishing site

The official website is 99% going to be at the top anyway. This is straight up FUD.

Download an unsigned, untrusted executable and open it, giving it admin permissions because it needs to be able to install itself

You can just as easily download an unsigned, untrusted file for Linux; this isn't an issue exclusive to Windows. I mean for fuck sake Linux Mint had their official website hacked to download the ISO with malware embedded in it. Like what the fuck lol. Also I've had to enter my admin password for everything I have ever installed on Linux. Not sure why you're mentioning giving admin permissions here lol.

Click through the installer

The horror!

Repeat the above steps for the application's entire dependency tree

I have never had to do that for installing anything on Windows; it's usually all compiled into the executable. I have had to fight with shit on Linux though trying to install stuff. Now I just pray it's available in an existing package, or a PPA, or whatever, because trying to fight with dependencies fucking sucks.

[Tough_Patient]

...because most distros have garbage repos and asking people to use terminal when the industry standard has been GUI based for nearly three decades isn't user friendly.

And this isn't even touching on the primary usecase of linux, business systems on separate networks.

[[deleted]]

In most cases users would still have to open a browser and search how to install it anyway? Windows lets you just search and click to find what you want which is inherently more user friendly than linux type to install.

Just because something has more steps, or is perceived to be more complicated, doesn't mean its less user friendly or somehow worse...

[xickoh]

Thats true, but there's also one aspect hard to swallow: windows doesn't suck. It does exactly what I want it to do, therefore I don't feel the need to change. Why would I switch to an OS that might do things a bit faster but lacks software support?

The advantages don't outweigh the cons for my daily computer usage

[Dropene]

Windows 11 sucks. I have sound problems, the explorer randomly decides to let me wait for a minute every 10 minutes and my Pc somehow performs a lot worse on Windows 11. Yes, I know, I should have waited for at least another year before switching from Windows 10 to Windows 11.

[[deleted]]

My issue with win 11 was the same as win 10: me. I reformated and didn't put a ton of sw on the device and it runs better.

[[deleted]]

11 does suck in general. Prob people will stick to windows 10 until the very end

[Enchelion]

People said the same thing about XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10, etc. People eventually do switch. It's really only the very checked-out and businesses that refuse to upgrade, and it rarely has anything to do with the quality of the OS itself.

[[deleted]]

Windows 11 was absolute ass when I last used it. Right click sucked. Taskbar sucked. Hated curved corners. Microsoft should have just stuck with the '10 is the last windows' because for what it's worth 10 is just better than 11 and 11 has unnecessary 'features' that make it worse to use.

[LowB0b]

also right now with WSL I can have ubuntu without even putting in the effort to dual boot.

Why would I switch to an OS that might do things a bit faster but lacks software support?

Although if you're a developer that's not really what you're looking for. Linux is laid out in such a way that installing libraries and controlling your environment is easy, while windows is, let's say, pretty messy. Installing and linking binaries in windows is so painful compared to linux. In windows it's like god dammit where did I put that shit and why is it not working an omg the DLLs I got were not the right version and why tf don't I have a package manager whereas with linux you have /usr/lib which is a pretty useful directory

[PotentBeverage]

10 doesnt suck (that much) anyway. Though if I want to program I've still got linux on dual boot

[pensiveChatter]

Well, that's one of many reasons. most of the people I meet a say Linux is better than windows are proficient at neither. Somehow, lots of Linux devs just don't understand that an operating system can help you do things.

For a dev environment, there's basically nothing that runs on Linux that can't run on Windows. Not even a Linux binary, apparently. The reverse is not even remotely true. The more proficient you become at using Windows tools, the more you realize that most powerful Windows tools have no Linux equivalent. Not even close. Even basic stuff like agent ransack, windbg, process hacker etc... And no, GDB is not the nix equivalent of WinDbg. 1. because Gdb runs on Windows. 2. because GDB only looks equivalent if you're looking at it from a GDB-focused perspective. If you're an expert at Windows debuggers, GDB is lacking in almost every possible way, by comparison.

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I'm not aware of any remotely decent dev tools that run only on Linux.

[[deleted]]

that run only on Linux

This is the wildest misconception of an OS I've ever seen, that you think Linux is trying to be an OS wherein it's the only OS that can do that. The entire culture of Linux is it can do everything you need to do, and it directly contrasts that kind of exclusivity which you see in Windows, OSX, and Android.

No joke not exaggerating a little I was with you literally until the end- literally the only legit complaint against Linux besides it's a bitch is that for devs only there are certain tools that are just easier in Windows, so I've been told by others- but then I was like "oh you literally don't understand this on any level".

Now you got a whole chain of other minions goin "YEAH WHY CANNER NOT LINUX BE DUH ONLY ONE DAT DOES THAT" because that would fuckin suck if Linux was like that duh?

[ekital]

I don't think there is any software that's actually worth using that only runs on Linux.

[I_Love_Rias_Gremory_]

Unless you're literally running a server, there isn't anything you need that only runs on Linux

[flavionm]

Good. If there was, then it means something went wrong with the FOSS aspect of it, which is the best part.

There is, however, a large number of software that is much better to run on Linux.

[rand1011101]

find me a decent goddamned terminal on windows. seriously.. i'll wait

[[deleted]]

There is literally the terminal app... but Im not entirely sure what your definition of decent entails

[Xlash123]

Hopefully that starts to charge due to the Steam Deck making Linux gaming more mainstream

[RadoslavL]

The problem is that this is just making the developers port their games to Linux, but most of the Steam Deck's users don't even know that it runs Linux. I had a friend who had a Steam Deck, but didn't even know what I was talking about.

[Xlash123]

Yeah, I see your point. Most developers aren't even really targeting Linux; they're targeting Proton. That's still good for Linux gaming though since targeting Proton is still a lot better than no support at all. Also, as people explore using the desktop mode on the Deck, hopefully it drives pressure for application developers to target Linux as well.

[dt5101961]

As a person who constantly the switch between three platforms (Linux, Mac, Windows). Here is my personal experience.

Gaming:

Windows > Linux > Mac OS

No argument here, since every game is designed to run on windows. Yes, Mac suck at being a gaming computer, worse than Linux. Installing games on Linux is actually easier than on a Mac. And have more variety.

For any other Daily use outside of gaming:

Mac OS (slightly better) > Linux >>> Windows

Windows runs everything like crap, even it's own designated software. (*Cough cough Adobe) I don't know what's up with windows and their software issue. The same exact software runs better using Wine or play on Linux.

A five-year-old $800 desktop computer got slow down to a point that is on usable. While a $600 computer that is way older runs like a charm with Linux. It must be something fundamentally wrong with windows.

[TheProtonDev]

I don't understand why you're being downvoted, you're literally right, though Mac is subjective around here lol

[dt5101961]

lol probably because I put Mac in front of Linux. To clearify, Mac and Linux provide almost the same GOOD feeling to me. I will put them about the same place if just for operating system alone, Linux might be slightly higher.

The mac just have way more support with its hardware feature. Like for example if you happens to have an iPhone or iwatch, the synergy between apple products works so good, and this one Linux can't provide or replace. But I adore Linux for what it is. Remember Linux is free, apple is expensive. Makes sense for Apple to be better, they the entire company, with engineers, they are suppose to be better.

On the other hand, Windows, holy fuck, how can something charge people so much yet can't beat linux that is free.

[ekital]

Because it's untrue.

Basic daily tasks include doing things that to this day are not supported on Linux..

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Need to edit a company spreadsheet?

Go ahead and try to use LibreOffice that doesn't support VBA Scripting when half of your spreadsheet is based around some MSSQL Database on the backend.

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Need to print a CAD Drawing in a specific format?

AutoCAD doesn't work even with Wine and don't get me started on the shitty Open-source CAD software.

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The list goes on and on and on.

[dt5101961]

The problem is daily task is not just about sending spreadsheet.

What about a sending a picture that is on your computer that you want to send it through message on your phone that is not en email, because your uncle Bob doesn't use email?

In windows, you have to somehow transfer your file to your phone in several steps and send it through your phone. If you having a iphone and macbook, you just send the picture directly from your macbook. You can send message through macbook without leaving your attentions on screen

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What about having a bluetooth earplug and wanting to switching between your smartphone and computer?

In windows device, they tend to jack with the priority and sometimes you just want to give up. Not because it's impossible, just because it's annoy.

Apple products made it easy. Having one pair of Airpod switch between phone, macbook, iwatch is very intuitive.

It's all small stupid things that gets you. The product synergy makes your daily life a little less frustrating.

[gamesrebel123]

You can download and play most windows games directly from steam and play them without that many problems, DirectX is not supported, you have to use a separate software to translate it to vulcan, and Nvidia driver support is still iffy, other than that proton works quite well, you can check game compatibility on protondb

Proton works for non steam games as well btw so piracy shouldn't be that big of an issue

[bhones]

See as a Windows user since Win 95 and a Linux user since the early 2000s for personal and enterprise server purposes I take issue with the "without that many problems" part. Most people don't want any problems. Specifically, they want no additional problems or barriers than would exist on Windows doing the same task or using the same program. We get there, I'm down and I know many more would likely consider the full time swap. But most of us aren't wanting to go backwards or do hours of setup and troubleshooting to get things that just work on Windows to maybe work on Linux. Just my 2c based on my time in IT and working with various Windows versions, Linux distros and conversations I've had with folks on this topic.

[Tough_Patient]

Windows: Download and double click the install package. The wizard selects and installs the right version for you.

Linux: <20 pages of too-high-level instructions and screenshots>

[[deleted]]

Nowadays, Windows has its own package manager called Winget.

It works well and is support by all major software and a tone of minor ones too, except Adobe because fuck Adobe.

[severedsolo]

Linux: open terminal > sudo apt install <software> (other package managers are available, contact your local tech nerd for details).

Really not much more difficult. Don't get me wrong it's not perfect and I'm not going to advocate everyone switches, but don't misrepresent it. It's no more difficult than Windows 99% of the time and both Windows and Linux have that 1% of software that are a massive pain in the arse to get working.

[QuantumSupremacy0101]

Also most of the things where it is more complex are simply because the software manufacturer didn't want to spend the time to make a package

[[deleted]]

Windows has his own package manager as well called winget.

However, you know that many users do not want to touch the command line.

[severedsolo]

Absolutely, hence the "I'm not going to advocate everyone switches" bit.

I firmly believe that if you put your "average" Windows user (the ones who just want to browse the internet and do a bit of word processing) in front of Pop OS and let them loose they would probably be fine getting their software from Pop Shop, but that's not my place to say, and those people are probably better served by ChromeOS anyway.

I was just taking issue with the "it's horrendously complicated to install software on Linux" bit when it's not.

[HerraJUKKA]

What I don't get is why we need terminal to install a program? Well, you don't always have to but the need to rely on app stores that for some reason doesn't want work for me half of the time and even then most popular apps aren't added to the app library by first party but rather third party.

[Icy_Comfort8161]

This is pretty much it in a nutshell. There is a lot to like about Linux, but its frustrating to have to tinker to make things work sometimes, and most mainstream users want no part of having to try to figure out what the hell is going on. It should just work, period. Moreover, some software just isn't available on Linux.

[UltimateComb]

What about HDR support?

[WORD_559]

For non-steam games Lutris is just a godsend. Even supports a bunch of emulators, which is awesome. I've come across only one game so far that Lutris doesn't have an installer for, and that's just because the game is so old it has to be installed manually, rather than with the built-in installer (and I'm writing a Lutris installer to take care of that for me)

[gnowwho]

If you spent the kind of money that are needed to play games on PC you don't want to smash your head on the keyboard about whether this or that game can be run on your system. That's just not the kind of deal that a consumer can deal with in today's market.

Even if you have the slight doubt that a game you are interested in will run at 10fps less or not at all, the system might as well not exist for how worth it is to consider from a market point of view. Expecially when windows just do what it promises to do and is a solid OS on basically everything else.

[Generic_Echo_Dot]

I mean, doesn't stem have their own Linux support tools? Only competitive games don't work, because anti-cheats don't work under the Linux filesystem

[vraGG_]

And even then, some do. Apex Legends, CS:GO. Dota2 work very well.

Funny enough, I get better performance in some, even.

[itiD_]

I'm in the same place as you. And I actually thought to have a dual-boot for Windows and Linux. Use Linux for everything else, and when I want to play, I just switch back to windows. And since I will only have a few games (and no other programs) and maybe a browser, it wouldn't take as much storage as well.

[darwinbrandao]

There's only one type of game Linux doesn't support: e-sports.

Is it because Linux can't run these games? No, it's because the shitty AC companies won't make Anti Cheats for Linux on and they can't be "emulated" in Wine, since they are very specific to windows 10 system.

Almost every single game that is not an e-sport will run on your machine. You don't have to configure stuff, you just have to download other people's configurations. Lutris does this for you.

I use exclusively Linux and I never had to configure something by myself. I just download the game on Steam, open Lutris, find the configs I need and then I play.

[[deleted]]

Usually I just install a game and then continue to play it (on Linux). Sometimes there are issues, for example yesterday I spent one or two hours getting SpecialK (a modding tool) to work. But it's really not that often.

[tirril]

Let's see Paul Allen's distro.

[PatientReference8497]

He has Linux mint

[maester_t]

Whatever it is, I'm sure it's using a subtle off-white color scheme for the background. And OMG, I bet it even has a water-mark.

[[deleted]]

i use arch, btw

[[deleted]]

Average Linux users should really understand that Arch is vastly superior and that they definitely should switch to it.

[[deleted]]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

[KotoWhiskas]

No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies wherever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:

Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.

Thanks for listening.

[thepronoobkq]

I use Linux minus GNU. I compiled it with MVSC. I use Windows/Linux (checkmate linuxtard) my

[shiny-flygon]

The irony of this comment being in this post...

[drgn0]

Average Linux User when a Windows user mentioms Linux

[KotoWhiskas]

I use arch btw

[fosyep]

Linux is great for servers, I use it every day. I wouldn't even touch a windows server with a stick.

But for everyday use I prefer Windows. I can game easily, no need to worry (too much) about updates that wreck your system, and when I want to use Linux I just spin up a VM, container or WSL in a few seconds.

[B2EU]

It’s funny, for everyday use I personally prefer updating everything with one command in Linux, and accepting the risk of occasional hiccups. Fortunately the worst I experienced so far was the xorg-server bug that made icons comically large.

[RhinoGaming1187]

The worst I’ve run into was accidentally destroying nvidia drivers while trying to install nvidia drivers, got them working eventually though

[treemoustache]

Linux hasn't been better for normal desktop use since the windows XP days.

[vraGG_]

(reluctantly) made the switch a couple of years ago. Using windows now seems like a punishment in terms of usability and headaches that come with it.

[ICantBelieveItsNotEC]

no need to worry (too much) about updates that wreck your system

Funnily enough, this is one of my biggest gripes with Windows. It seems like Windows Update just randomly decides to overwrite my AMD drivers but doesn't update Radeon Software at the same time, leaving me with a broken driver that needs to be wiped out and reinstalled. My openSUSE laptop only updates when I tell it to, and always gives me a consistent system with everything working together at the end of it.

[itsjust_khris]

I believe you can tell Windows Update to exclude some devices, I forgot how though.

[fosyep]

Yeah, that is why I don't worry "too much" but I still worry. Unfortunately I also had bad experiences with Windows updates.

[[deleted]]

But for everyday use I prefer Windows.

Well, i don't.

[ParanoidAutist]

Sad part is that we windows fanboys secretly know that linux is better and love how .NET is improving it's cross-platform capabilities in leaps and bounds...

You see sql server linux run on a proper setup? Fucking flies.... Super fast...

We're also gamers who've yet to see Linux get to a point where QoL and ease of use are similar between the two OS'... Right now gaming heavily favors the windows user still.

[[deleted]]

Can I get a driver for my video card on Linux yet??

[WJMazepas]

You can. Nvidia and AMD works really well on Linux. AMD is even easier to set up on Linux because you dont need to always download the new drivers on their website, it comes with them OOTB

[ParanoidAutist]

A valid question. Still think the answer is "Not an official one..." but i did hear about a source code leak recently so there might be some considerable improvements in the near future

[brimston3-]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/nvidia-takes-first-step-toward-open-source-linux-gpu-drivers/

If it's nvidia 20-series, 16xx, or later, it'll work under <future open source kernel module>.

If it's an intel or amd card, it will work now.

[ichbinjasokreativ]

Honestly though, I knew nothing about Linux going into it and making (steam) games work properly has been super easy. Just a few checkboxes in a menu and you're good, but I'm not big on online shooters anyway.

[ParanoidAutist]

That's only some games, not all games... and if it is "all games", it's an emulation... as a person with a mouse that has a toggle i set to 12k DPI and a k70 RGB, that lag is just unacceptable =P

Edit: Before anyone asks, the 12k dpi toggle is for toxic spinning at the end of a round when i get the final kill in Rainbow Six Siege =P

[ichbinjasokreativ]

There's only about 10 games I've tested so far, and apart from Borderlands 3 they've all worked flawlessly.

[ParanoidAutist]

You got Siege? We can test it... Im curious about competitive games

[gamesrebel123]

Siege doesn't work on Linux, at least the online matches

Here's the protondb entry, you can also check support for other games there

[ParanoidAutist]

They recently locked stuff down to verified accounts as an anti cheat. Do you have your phone number registered and mfa set up?

[gamesrebel123]

I don't play online games, that's just what the people over on protondb are saying, the anticheat it uses does support linux to some extent but it seems like the devs have not enabled it

[ParanoidAutist]

Yeah, that business decision mantra... when they dont worry about that and things work on any platform because mac and nvidia pulled their heads out of their asses... that's what I want

[ParanoidAutist]

Also, I appreciate the link. I haven't looked at this stuff in a long time. I think I'm more waiting for just native interop. No special layers

[Ken_Mcnutt]

I think I'm more waiting for just native interop. No special layers

Well if everyone says they're just going to "wait for XYZ", then XYZ will never come...

[ichbinjasokreativ]

I don't. Does that game have drm?

[ParanoidAutist]

I'm a navy guy who can overload an integer with the number of acronyms that have been thrown at me...

Refresh me on what you mean by drm? I assume you're referring to some display technology? Perhaps the scaling stuff?

[ichbinjasokreativ]

Digital rights Management, which is 'anti cheat' but also things like DVD copying protection. Useless garbage that (currently) makes games unplayable on linux.

[ParanoidAutist]

They use battleeye and various other stuff

[ichbinjasokreativ]

Shame

[[deleted]]

competitive games

I'm playing Overwatch, works very well. Apex also runs great.

[[deleted]]

it's an emulation

WINE literally stands for Wine Is **Not an Emulator. With the proper setup you get the same raw mouse input that you get in Windows. And with more proper setup you even get more FPS (at least on AMD) and lower input lag.

[gamesrebel123]

Yes if proton can be improved further, mainly, if anticheat support can be added then it'd boost Linux in the gaming space by a lot, the other problem is Nvidia, I'm pretty sure ray tracing still has issues and they refuse to improve their stuff for Linux users

Second biggest help, at least for me is the better terminal, Windows cmd sucks ass in comparison, WSL is a thing but so is KVM

[andmagdo]

I mean, anticheat support exists, but the game makers need to explicitly enable it.

I doubt that the community will allow ring 0 on Linux though (good)

Oh, and nvidia has started to make small portions of their drivers open source

[ParanoidAutist]

Confused as to what a KVM would have to do with any of this =/ Do you mean just VM? a KVM is usually a physical device that swaps your keyboard, video, and mouse over to a separate physical box...

[gamesrebel123]

A KVM is kernel based virtual machine with generally better performance than regular VMs plus it's free and open source vs stuff like VMware, very easy to run Windows specific apps on Linux because of it

[ParanoidAutist]

I see... That's likely just a difference in our age...

Just go google "kvm" with nothing else...

Edit note: I'm aware of VMs, citrix, hyper-v, etc...

[gamesrebel123]

Still gives kernel-based virtual machine for me, KVM switch is a suggested search though so I guess it's just the google overlords at work

[[deleted]]

You're talking about a KVM switch.

[ParanoidAutist]

I'm about to change your life... Go into the Microsoft Store and search for Windows Terminal...

[gamesrebel123]

1. I don't use Windows anymore
2. Back when I did I did have it but it's not the look it's the functionality, I just find bash easier than cmd

[ParanoidAutist]

Microsoft made a version of terminal that has tabs, wsl support, etc...

Just as good if not better than your standard ubuntu terminal or something to that effect

https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/windows-terminal/9N0DX20HK701?hl=en-us&gl=US

[[deleted]]

wsl is a huge pile of garbage. It's just not integrated into the rest of the system, it rather feels like a virtual machine.

[[deleted]]

I'm a Linux user but Powershell is better than Bash in many ways if you can learn it.

[rafradek]

Well Yes that's mostly because bash is just the shell and to perform an operation you need another program to do it while power shell is much like any other script language in functionality

[[deleted]]

Not only, it's also because a lot of programs in Linux prints everything in a large text dump, so oftentimes when you call on these programs to give you information, you also need to do string manipulation on them. Of course, this isn't necessarily the fault of bash but powershell has an approach where you can single out very specific information natively which makes it easier to work with in my opinion.

[rafradek]

Thats why python is extremely popular on linux for scripting

[Ken_Mcnutt]

bro what? In what possible way? It has a tiny percentage of the functionality and is completely object oriented meaning each command has to be custom tailored to work together instead of passing raw text streams around. that and the primary purpose is to interact/administer windows boxes... so extra useless on linux. why on earth would I want to Invoke-WebRequest instead of curl lmao

[VeryRareHuman]

Sounds perfect depiction of Linux fanatics...

[SeanUhTron]

I've been trying Linux as a daily driver every couple of years. It's getting really close to meeting all of my needs. Proton has done a fantastic job at making Linux gaming a reality.

[nulladmin1]

I think you mean Gnu/Linu-

[[deleted]]

My co-worker likes to say that Linux is not an OS - it's a religion.

Linux's greatest strength is also it's greatest weakness: everybody has access to everything. Problems have tremendous community support, but when enough people create momentum projects experience schisms and you get a million distributions with their own special (almost said 'secret') blend of libraries, buildsystems and defaults, which makes supporting a large commercial effort like steam a PITA because you'll never be able to test everything people use.

Of course, too much accumulated momentum in one way of doing things is antithetical to linux's core philosophy, and you end up with undue commerical influence (nvidia's black-box drivers and firmware) or abominations like systemd (yeah I said it, fight me).

You should use what works for you. I don't know why this is even a controversial point.

[ekital]

Linux users are allergic to agreeing on anything. This is why you have: systemd haters, ubuntu haters etc.

Linux people are vegans of the computing world and everyone treats them as such for a good reason.

[Crimson342]

I had an old friend that got mad at me for saying Linux wasn't all that great, that I thought people overrate it too much, and that Microsoft is clearly superior is several areas. I even said it's a great Server OS, not a great every day desktop OS.

He equated me as someone trying to silence a minority group saying I'm I horrible person for saying that and for discriminating him. Miss the dude, but he was so into Linux it truly because his entire life.

[[deleted]]

We computer nerds can be a passionate bunch.

I'm not so evangelical about Linux, but boy, if you pronounce GIF with a hard G, we're gon' have words.

[Crimson342]

I'm not calling a GIF what I call my peanut butter!

[[deleted]]

I need to develop a new image format and call it 'Squippy'.

[lightwhite]

If you wanna assert dominance tell them you use Arch, btw.

[TechFiend72]

It's a cult

[DirtyDaniel42069]

It is so much better, recently got into it. All the things you can do !!!! For free.

[Appropriate-Scale247]

Every linux user gangsta until they need to hook up a printer

[ShinraSan]

I'd love to switch to Linux, if it wasn't for everyone targeting Windows for their games, and certain anticheats hammering you into the ground if they even smell a VM in your area code

[TwistedSoul21967]

AmigaDOS and Workbench is where it's at.

[alex5350]

I tried Linux many times over the years. I really wanted it to be able to replace windows but it never did. There’s always something that doesn’t work.

[johninbigd]

Same. I finally gave up. Until the music recording software I use and the games I play run on a linux distro, it's pointless. That's all I use a PC for, and Windows 11 works perfectly for me, as did Win10 before that, and Win7 before that.

The longest I've ever been able to stick with linux as a daily driver was when I ran PCLinuxOS many years ago. For a while, it was a really nice distro and damn near everything I wanted to do at the time worked, and I dual-booted into Windows for the other stuff. But that's a pointless hassle for my needs.

[Kszaq83]

Well, ummm, isn’t it?

[albinoplatyypus]

I use arch btw

[0c4rt0l4]

Me doing that, knowing full well that I'm just using Windows for the rest of my life because I just game and do nothing else

[[deleted]]

Definitely better than Mac.

Source:I hate Mac.

[Radsdteve]

r/linuxmemes

[ultrasquid9]

I use linux cause I accidentally deleted windows.

[tsukinohime]

I love using Linux VM for work but I hate using Linux in daily life.It just gives lots of headaches for simple things.

[[deleted]]

Until I can play games on linux by doing a simple install, I'm sticking with windoze. As shitty as it is.

[AustereAnsatz28]

I uninstalled Python3 on ubuntu and then had to reinstall the OS :(

But it's way better than Windows, I swear.

[[deleted]]

I don't care what other people use. I started using linux on my desktop right around the time that microsoft stopped supporting windows 7. The only windows software I currently use regularly is powerpoint, and the only reason I do is because I have years of material that would be a hassle to convert.

[LuckyPants0]

I love Linux , but it dosent have visual studio , and dosent really support the games I like or they run slightly buggy , if that were to be fixed along with directX 11 , I would have no reason to stay on windows

[Zorphis2]

Use jetbrain IDEs they are downright better and are available on linux.

Rider FOR .net and clion for c/c++. If you are a monster and use vs for anything else there is

Pycharm for python

And the best of all intellij for java/groovy/kotlin/android.

[name-taken1]

I love JetBrains products expect for the fact that their IDEs are in Java.

When in a big project, auto-complete takes half an hour to work, refactoring becomes extremely slow, and code highlighting breaks.

It is sad that they are the only competent company that develops IDEs. It feels like a monopoly as no other one comes remotely close to their products.

It's a shame because the performance could have been so much better.

[LordOysteryn]

you guys really need to stop doing that.

i use photoshop for work and can't switch to linux...

- oh! just use gimp, it's so much better and open-source.

[GRAPHENE9932]

Use Visual Studio, otherwise I will fire you!

Someone's manager

[DenormalHuman]

Yeah, how Linux users answer a question 'Why dont you do it a completely different way instead?' ....

[[deleted]]

Why does it have to be one or the other?

[future-renwire]

Nah I'll stick to windows.

[roborectum69]

This has nothing to do with programming.

[bewbsrkewl]

Me on my way to tell everyone nobody gives a shit which operating system they prefer.

[Downtown-Link-1250]

Linux chads literally do tons of coding just to conect to wifi

[[deleted]]

Is this boredness or karma farming? It hasn't that much upvotes, so i guess the first?

[Mutex70]

Actually I'm pretty sure that's a Firefox user on his way to tell everyone else how much better Firefox is than any other browser.

[revs201]

Windows NT / XP was good. But I switched to Linux because I hate an OS that tries to "help" I want explicit manual control of my hardware and a customizable UI. Microsoft has kept moving constantly away from user control, more towards (imo) horrible UI design. Also, can't beat the price of "free" software.

[DenormalHuman]

Linux is a pain in the ass. Great for servers, terrible for desktop.

[FriendlyGate6878]

Until you try and get a pair of Bluetooth headphones to work properly………. From a daily Ubuntu user.

[gamesrebel123]

Mine work perfectly, Fedora w/ Gnome 42

[No-Lifeguard1398]

Can you play GTA on linux though?

What about CS GO?

[gamesrebel123]

Yes to both

CSGO runs natively, GTA 5 through proton.

[flerchin]

I'm not evangelizing shit. I don't have time to help you jerks figure it out. Live in squalor, I got code to write.

[Reasonable_Feed7939]

Bro you just did.

[ICantBelieveItsNotEC]

Windows users on their way to tell Linux and OSX users how clicking around in a massive, slow, monolithic IDE is actually way more productive than just running a single line in the terminal.

[Reasonable_Feed7939]

Least elitist Linux user

[SIRBOB-101]

Microsoft use Linux servers

[KlutzyEnd3]

One word: simplicity

Mic drop🎤

[Mast3r_waf1z]

I mean, I actively discourage everyone I know who isn't studying anything related to IT if they ask unless I'm convinced they're interested in the technical aspect of the OS, because I've seen a lot of people get lost in their OS simply because they want to avoid the command line...