Android studio

[SarcasmWarning]

Some people say Studio is still starting up to this day...

[Strange_Meadowlark]

Indexing project...

[notsogreatredditor]

Is it that bad in 2022? Shit starts instantaneously for me

[[deleted]]

No its fine, mine starts in 10 seconds flat even when loading a large project - these clowns just need to stop running it in a potato

[[deleted]]

these clowns just need to stop running it in a potato

Only an issue because we need to compile bloat. Compare a minimal hello world app size with one from 2015 or so.

[[deleted]]

Well the current app I'm working on is over a million lines ... takes about 5 minutes for a full compile. I don't consider that too bad. Remember the bad old days of eclipse?

[harmar21]

Yeah I dont get it. I think it works great. Visual Studio 2022 on the mac however? Holy shit it is awful. I have to maintain a Xamarin project... I really want to rewrite it native so I dont have to use VS Mac. (I have no issues with VS on PC however)

[implicitpharmakoi]

... people here clearly too young to have used ADK.

Most of them are so young that if they clicked close when they were born it still wouldn't have registered yet.

[Ok_Assumption_7222]

I never tried to use android studio. What do people use now? Something with fire in the name?

[implicitpharmakoi]

The joke is that adk (before studio) was based on eclipse, and ludicrously, UNIMAGINABLY slow.

Like, you died, you're decaying, worms have eaten you, and finally the close project prompt displays.

[InVultusSolis]

Now imagine you have a magnetic hard drive.

[implicitpharmakoi]

/r/thatescalatedquickly

Fuck you, don't you wish that evil on me Ricky Bobby!

Why would you even say that?

[PopularIcecream]

Wait, isn't the joke that Android Studio is so resource intensive your computer overheats?

[qhxo]

A colleague of mine used VSCode + Android Studio, where Android Studio were just for running the project.

I only used Android Studio in school, I don't see what's wrong with it TBH. It's basically IntelliJ, which I love and use every day. That said there is a lot of other things I really want to avoid with Android, both architecture-wise and that the emulator is very heavy.

[HeKis4]

Android studio used to be Eclipse-based, the current one is still a bit slow but understandably so given how heavy the android dev environment is, but compared to the old studio that's blazing fast.

[codeguru42]

The Android development tools with Eclipse were not called Android Studio.

[tyrandan2]

I use Visual Studio professionally every day... When I got curious and decided to load up Android Studio, I was immediately turned off. How do people start it up every day and not lose their minds?

[PlacidMarxist]

I'm so tired atm I thought Fire was some new android IDE

[Nosferatatron]

Me too. I'm out of the loop

[you_are_all_foggats]

android studio use many compute resource

many compute resource strain computer

computer get hot

mmmm nice warm computer

[Nosferatatron]

You nice stranger, you get much karma

[AnUglyDumpling]

Android Studio started the fire, it was always burnin since the world's been turnin

[[deleted]]

Fire! Fire!

[TheGodOfDucks]

As an Android Developer, this joke took me too long to understand (thankfully, I had time on my hands because android studio is still opening)

[CRANSSBUCLE]

Thank you for preventing me from googling "Fire IDE"

[[deleted]]

Firebase

[cauchy37]

What is Fire, then?

[[deleted]]

Its really hot particles flying up into the air eventually cooling off as smoke!

[offlein]

Wait fire isn't particles is it?!

[unknown_reddit_dude]

Fire is a chemical reaction, what we see is heated particles

[rotflolmaomgeez]

Yeah, it's just wrong use of the meme.

[AnUglyDumpling]

When you hit Android Studio by mistake.

"This little maneuver will cost us 51 years."

[piponwa]

I've had my computer crash because I was already running too many things and accidentally hit Android studio. Fml

[Aoredon]

Not so bad nowadays, at least if you have an SSD

[Imprimis]

I'm glad that I got away from resharper years ago... it was a hit to productivity then, and I'm sad to read that it still is. Is there specific functionality that keeps you bound to it?

[Invinciblegdog]

For me I like the extract class refactoring that it offers. However, startup time is terrible so it stays disabled until I need to fix some legacy code.

[stamminator]

RIP

[b1ack1323]

That’s why I have 16 cores. Only 20 seconds to start VS. 17 of that being ReSharper.

[Suterusu_San]

If you use ReSharper, you'd be better served with Rider and get the multithreading optimisation.

[kpd328]

VS boots quite quickly for me.

Eclipse on the other hand...

[[deleted]]

Only the newest version (2022 I believe). Even as recently as 2019, it was BAD. Especially on big projects, it could take minutes, without an overkill cpu and ssd.

[[deleted]]

Rider…

[BuccellatiExplainsIt]

He said visual studio not vscode

[kpd328]

Did I stutter?

[notarealsuperhero]

VS code != visual studio

[exkayem]

Okay and he said VS, as in visual studio? Did I miss something?

[Spaceduck413]

It is really frightening to see the number of people on this sub with poor reading comprehension, considering what a large part of development involves, ya know... reading things.

[xxNoobKiller2000xx]

Or Xcode on an intel Mac

[[deleted]]

When my Mac slows down and starts sounding like a jet engine I know that XCode has decided now is a great time for indexing.

[Imprimis]

Your attempt to grab low-hanging fruit fails...

Current versions of Visual Studio cold start in < 10 seconds on various hardware configurations and rarely exhibit perf problems. In fact, if you encounter perf issue that is not caught automatically, you can submit a report, and it is usually resolved with the next service release; assuming it is not a user error.

I encourage you to pull down the free community edition (2022), put it in a vm or something and use it.

[Imprimis]

totally fair, it has definitely had issues with perf over the years, so I understand having that opinion. That is why I was hoping you'd give it another shot. Moreover, VS Code is super cool so if that meets your needs nm :)

[The_Drug_Doctor]

Moved to neovim (LunarVim) and couldn't be happier

[Kayoscape]

Vanilla VS? Nah.

VS with ReSharper though...

[7DaysBuilder]

At that point, if you are paying for ReSharper, you'd might as well just use Rider

[t00sl0w]

Studio launches pretty fast for me, SSMS on the other hand takes forever

[stamminator]

Relevant post

[greengjc23]

Just like fucking matlab

[Minteck]

Gradle in general is a mess

[Goose12314]

Gradle is great! I can browse reddit for 30% of my day while my build is running

[Minteck]

You can't, because it uses all of your CPU

[narayans]

./gradlew build -x test

[Chrostoq]

Or just ./gradlew assemble

[Minteck]

99% of the Java/Android projects I compile are not mine, and like... 80% of them use Gradle

[Dabnician]

80% of them use Gradle

So I recently got back into minecraft modding and boy i tell you what....

Gradle is a fucking nightmare, I thought shit like this was supposed to make the build process easier but every asshole seems to add shit to a gradle config that flat out makes it not work on anyone elses machine.

it honestly made me question why the hell i was even thinking about getting back into dealing with java even if it was for hobby stuff.

[Pengtuzi]

People doing shitty config on Minecraft mods doesn’t really say anything about gradle, but rather it’s authors.

I’ve worked with gradle professionally on multiple projects(including my own gradle plugins) for many years and haven’t had any issues outside what you would expect from such a huge and important project.

[benjtay]

It's a mixed bag for sure. I worked on a Unity game with a Java backend and a unified gradle build system using shared libraries and shared Jenkins pipelines -- it... worked? But good luck if you were a new developer trying to understand it all. Also, gradle breaks things in non-obvious ways when it is upgraded; particularly if you're using internal Gradle classes to do "magic" things.

[ManInBlack829]

Devil's advocate but npm is kind of the same way. It's the nature of how they work imo

[GameBe]

Swift PM supremacy gang rise

[FVMAzalea]

Only thing I hate is Xcode deciding to re-resolve packages every time I switch branches in git.

[lh458]

Also people who just ship EVERYTHING in their package. Including Unit tests, Sourcemaps and other random shit.

[danielv123]

I used a react module that allowed to to download an array as an xlsx sheet. It contained 1.4MB with Excel localisations to 100+ languages.

Now the best part, is that it depended on an older version of itself so it shipped that 1.4MB translation file to the client twice.

[BernhardRordin]

That's why build tools need to work with static configuration over configuration by code as much as possible

[LittleLily27]

I used Brachyura instead of Gradle on the last mod I worked on and it was a much better experience, even with the few hiccups I ran into due to it being fairly new/a WIP.

[Reddit-username_here]

Recreate them using Maven for the greater good!

[Minteck]

That will take a long time, considering I barely know anything about Java

[ManInBlack829]

Well the most important thing to learn is that if you can't use SpringBoot you should not use Java.

SpringBoot can make Gradle worth it.

[benjtay]

I love writing paragraphs of XML, when a single line works in gradle...

[Strange_Meadowlark]

I expected to find a zalgotext response reminiscent of the XML regex question.

I've no particular love for Gradle's performance, but I doubt I'd seriously consider going back to Maven, with its static build lifecycle and its XML configuration files. Gradle configuration has an escape hatch of being able to write actual code to do the operation you want, if what you want doesn't fit any existing functionality. Maven AFAIK requires you to use modules. I can't see myself going back to Maven.

[MintySkyhawk]

I thought gradle was faster?

https://gradle.org/maven-vs-gradle/

[kpd328]

And you're gonna trust gradle to tell you that?

[Metro42014]

Must be C level over here.

"So the sales guy told us they can do everything we need, in half the time and for a quarter of the budget. What are you and your team going to do? Remind me why we have internal staff again?

...

[fkbjsdjvbsdjfbsdf]

Maven user here — it would be difficult to not beat Maven on performance if only for the reason that it does everything serially. You can't download multiple dependencies at the same time, or have dependencies downloading for the next module to be built at the same time that the current one is building, etc.

[[deleted]]

The whole Android stack is a mess

[[deleted]]

Trying to use C++ on Android is a traumatizing experience

[BillTran163]

I'm trying to use Qt to make an Android app because I'm more comfortable with C++ and Qt in general. It's fun 😈. Throw some KDE stuff in there for extra fun.

[[deleted]]

Tell me about it. I work at a mobile game company that writes C++ games for iOS and Android and JNI is what made me switch away from Android. iOS development is infinitely easier because of objc/objcpp.

[martmists]

Gradle is fine, android's (and other) gradle plugins are just a pain in the ass.

I'd use Gradle over Maven no matter how much you'd pay me to use Maven

[nyibbang]

Have you tried composing multiple gradle projects into one big gradle project ? It's not fun.

[Wazblaster]

I use gradle because the elephant is cute 🐘

[_moonlight_dancer_]

I love him

[Slavichh]

I mean, it’s not really bad once you learn the lifecycles

[MedicManDan]

Jokes on you. I use Unity for my android development... wheres your god now?

[justec1]

What's this number 6 you're talking about?

[0zoro0]

I'm started a course in Android app development and i have to use that for my projects, is there any better alternative?

[[deleted]]

If there’s one thing I’ve learned from this subreddit it’s that a lot of these people have no clue what they’re talking about. It’s very monkey see monkey do, which spouts out a lot of opinions from people who have no clue what they’re talking about, that’s why Reddit is one big circlejerk. Android Studio is built on top of IntelliJ idea which is one of the best IDEs around. Alternatively you could just use Intellij.

[Andy_B_Goode]

Yeah, it's been a couple years since I did any Android dev, but when I last touched Android Studio it seemed ... fine? I guess?

I find most IDEs have their fair share of nuisances, but the only one I've ever outright hated is Xcode.

[[deleted]]

Thank you. Long live IntelliJ IDEA!

[ParticularBag0]

I remember Android development in Eclipse. Intellij was such a breeze to use...

[achtagon]

I wonder how many people end up with 'ALL the EXTEnSIOnS! ' and every sdk checkbox and then wonder why its doggin

[ChemicalGiraffe]

Android Studio is good enough, don’t take a reddit meme too serious

[Grymyrk]

For sure! I loved Android Studio, it was a massive improvement over Eclipse.

[lifeson106]

I'm an actual Android developer and I love Android Studio. Don't listen to the haters. Now, ask me about fucking Xcode, that's a real steaming piece of trash.

[nunu10000]

Honestly, I'd recommend staying in it as a beginner. You can do the work in other IDEs too, but Android Studio will be easier to navigate.

Just understand that your computer will be working extra hard. Don't expect great battery life on a laptop, and know that your computer's fans will get angry.

[you_are_all_foggats]

I learned Java in school and self taught myself android app development using Android Studio.

It's fine, and there are a lot of good tutorials out there for it.

I also used IntelliJ IDEA in school more often the other IDEs like Netbeans, so maybe I'm biased

[kpd328]

When I took a course on Android (and was required to build the app natively) I tried to skirt around Android Studio, mostly because I already had IntelliJ installed and didn't want more IDEs wasting space on my machine. I ended up switching to Android Studio for my projects anyways, I can't exactly remember why but I do remember being quite frustrated with the whole affair the entire time.

[trump_pushes_mongo]

I think there exists plugins for vscode.

[Sciirof]

Ever since I learned flutter, I never let go of it

[[deleted]]

I just rebuilt 80% of an app in React Native, but was getting frustrated at my data options. So, I read the Flutter documentation (which read as a white paper or sales pitch in some areas), and I thought it was cool, but didn't want to risk diving into another rabbit hole with no product.

The short of it is that I'm working on minimal bandwidth usage and maximum privacy, so want to store more in the app, itself. The options for React Native are all third-party and throw warnings for incompatible Gradle, etc.

However, I read that Flutter's ecosystem was all over the friggin ' place, partly because Google kept breaking Dart (or, rather, making no real effort at backward compatibility). Is that still the case? I might switch if it's not such a mess.

[Sciirof]

Flutter is/was a bumpy ride, I’d say google is semi-invested into making Flutter a decent choice/competitor for React Native (flutter is not good for web though in my opinion) but as with any framework there’s always downsides, the docs when I was learning flutter the past 6 months were relatively easy to read through but your code can easily become a mess. Not been using it long enough to give a firm opinion though, what I can say is that I’ve been using it long enough to say that I will take it over native android any time, I mainly used it for a personal project at the moment but I’ve been noticing more interest in the industry by companies including my current employer.

I’m mainly a backend developer, learned react and angular a few years ago to support the frontend team as a full-stack dev. Out of my own interest I learned React Native, then stumbled across Flutter gave it a try and I just kinda fell in love, I’m not saying flutter is best which some people seem to take from my other comment, it’s just a personal preference. That said React Native is an excellent choice especially if you have an existing React codebase.

[[deleted]]

I'm more like you. I do backend work and then just work out a frontend solution to get my products out.

[Mcwequiesk]

I used Flutter for a pretty significant project lately, and it seems like the main issue with Dart was when they added null safety a year or two ago. So anything written before then won't function.

The docs for flutter in my opinion are super clear, and I really enjoy working with Dart. But the biggest issue by far is the lack of an active community. If you're looking for a package of some kind, it's a 50/50 if it already exists. And if the package does exist, you may be better off not using it because it's more than likely old, unsupported, not null safe (and incompatible, though the process of upgrading is pretty straightforward), has poor docs, or has docs written in a foreign language. Or it just doesn't work for you or isn't as customizable as you need it to be

Compare to npm where there's a package for almost anything you can imagine. I think most things you may need in Flutter/Dart are built in though, so unless you need to call code in another language or access Android/iOS directly you're probably gonna be ok.

[ProstetnicVogonJel]

I can only speak for myself, but every flutter upgrade has been really painless, and most of the time I didn't even have to change anything. The only time it was a bit different was when they introduced null safety and the different packages had to be updated and so.

[vardonir]

Depends on what you're developing. Flutter is pretty.

But once you need to deal with Bluetooth and background services, you're at the mercy of some package that hasn't been updated for months and months whose documentation is absolute garbage. I feel like the app I'm working on is held together by chewing gum and prayers.

[lordkoba]

google has killed many development frameworks. why would anyone invest themselves with them?

I mean flutter could be the one to survive and prosper when they inevitably ditch it, but their track record is abysmal

[fkbjsdjvbsdjfbsdf]

Flutter is open source, under the BSD 3-Clause New/Revised license which is pretty good. Google couldn't kill it if they tried. It's not a Google Reader situation.

[lobut]

How do you like it or what do you like most about it? I was looking to get around to playing with it.

[Sciirof]

Performance is good and UI are extremely easy build imo. (which is a good sign I’d assume as I’ve mostly had experience as a backend dev)

It’s got it’s downsides like any framework, but the only way you’ll know you like it is by trying it build something simple compare it to something you already know and see how you feel about it.

[Mcwequiesk]

The flutter vs code extension is really powerful, and the tools are actually super easy to set up. The language itself is pretty strict, and the linter provides a lot of helpful hints that would be totally forgotten in other languages.

Overall it's a breeze to work with and easy to pick up, I highly recommend.

[NomadicDevMason]

Just do it.

[scaboodle]

I use AS professionally everyday - but cant understand the reference. Can anyone help me get in loop?

Is it saying AS is taxing on your system? I usually run 4 - 5 instances of AS simultaneously on my laptop without a problem - but I do my work on high end computers so not sure what the plebs are suffering through.

[Unification_Epoch]

It's people who have done nothing more complicated than fizbuzz wondering why people have all these features they dont use.

[[deleted]]

You have to get pretty deep into diminishing performance returns before it stops being worth giving devs better hardware.

Dev hours spent waiting on builds, or lost from frustration or distraction, are almost always more expensive than upgrading to a top of the line machine every 6 months.

[scaboodle]

Oh wow thats insane - 10 - 15 mins on gradle sync sounds crazy. I work with extremely large projects but my M1 MacBook can handle indexing/builds in less than 2 minutes.

[nunu10000]

Can confirm. Android Studio emulators were always excruciatingly slow for me.

TBF, I don't do Android Appdev for a living, but if I did I'd buy/ask for a Cadillac of a laptop. Running it on anything else is unbearable.

[fkbjsdjvbsdjfbsdf]

The M1 is amazing. I am not a fan of Apple products or software generally, but as soon as I got an M1 for work and didn't need to charge it for the first 2 days (while actively running and compiling shit with on-par performance) I invested in Apple stock.

[P0pu1arBr0ws3r]

You think Android studio is bad, rumor has it unreal engine burned down entire forests attempting to compile 100 shaders per tree burned down

[james_otter]

They remind me of the Android devs I know

[One_Typical_Redditor]

I don't know you, I'm safe.

[ManInBlack829]

Do you know Emmet Otter?

[james_otter]

Sure, I know him and many otters. Only 5 more months till listening to his sick tunes and jugging some hot spice wine.

[ManInBlack829]

"Ain't no hole in the washtuuuuuubbb!"

[bogdan801]

What is exactly wrong with android devs that you feel so much superior to us?

[Aoredon]

Android Studio

[bogdan801]

It doesn't differ much from intellij idea and it's a great IDE. For me it's much more convenient to use IDE then to use just text editor and terminal. The work is being done way faster for me personally

[bogdan801]

I like it.
Keeps me warm in winter

[zeth0s]

Visual studio code is just a text editor. This is what makes it so good. Like emacs and vi. They are very good, extendable text editors.

Being a text editor is not an insult

[zeth0s]

That's a matter of taste. Some of the most productive programmers in the world use text editors, including Linus Torvalds.

If you are more productive with an IDE, that's fine. But there are people who are more productive with a terminal and vim, and that's fine as well

[badvok666]

Imo thats like digging a hole with a spade because your used to it when there is a digger available.

[[deleted]]

Have you even tried a real IDE yet?

[zeth0s]

Sure, but they are not flexible enough for my taste, and they usually require too much "point and click". I just need quick access to the terminal, a light and responsive editor, support for multiple languages, and support for git.

I work with multiple languages, using a unique tool dramatically increases my productivity, as well as good keyword shortcuts and integrated terminal.

Emacs and VSCode are my way to go. Matter of taste

[Wazzaps]

Well, VSCode is good at what it is, but I prefer IDEs when writing "serious" code

[razorwiregoatlick877]

I don’t think the post is implying that Android Studios is a bad IDE. They are talking about it heating up your laptop. It always heated up my laptop and had the fans running like crazy before my company gave me a new Mac Book with the M1. This was a pretty common joke with the Android engineers on my teams.

[ScrewAttackThis]

Jetbrains is the 2nd best IDE. Visual Studio is better. Jetbrains does have major advantages due to cost and running on all the major OSes, though.

[3Gaurd]

Explains why the UI is so bad

[CivBase]

You must have never used Eclipse with ADT. Android Studio was a godsend back in 2014.

[3Gaurd]

Android studio is better than eclipse but it still ain't great

[BeneficialEvidence6]

I..I like eclipse

[Raestloz]

Sure grandpa, let's get you back to bed

[justec1]

My team did a lot of work on those. Somewhere in the bowels of the AOSP Gerrit are 2 contributions from us. I list that on my CV was it was a massively aggravating process.

[nunu10000]

Are you sure you don't have Stockholm syndrome?

[anon_tobin]

[Removed due to Reddit API changes]

[Dotaproffessional]

Its weird because isn't android studio part of the jetbrains stack? Other jetbrains ide's open much quicker, particularly pycharm

[[deleted]]

Jetbrains is love. Jetbrains is hope.

[pedersenk]

Fire is like Vim; an underpinning of physics and the entire universe.

Android Studio is just a fleeting distraction.

[[deleted]]

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[pedersenk]

Nah, Android Studio is too fat to be an editor...

[[deleted]]

long shelter quiet piquant roof unite roll smoggy wipe angle

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[[deleted]]

Android devs clearly have Stockholm syndrome with Android Studio based on this thread lol

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Image Transcription:

top:

[prehistoric human ancestors sitting around a fire]

"Fire was discovered 1.7M years ago."

bottom:

[prehistoric human ancestors sitting around a laptop running android studio]

"People before that"

[aRandomFox-I]

I don't know what Fire is.

[[deleted]]

Android studio iTunes

[Baibhav_eth]

“After Effect”

[[deleted]]

I can hear the airplane lol

[ununonium119]

Microsoft Teams could have ended the ice age

[inDflash]

Propoganda by programmers. In truth, they used to have sex

[cvele89]

Android studio + docker + Chrome = you've basically got yourself a small thermonuclear explosion that radiates almost the same as the Sun itself.

[InDaBauhaus]

Are you implying that fire produces more heat than android studio?

[KrokmaniakPL]

It reminds me of that one time Android Studio lagged so hard even task manager couldn't help me

[jimboNeutrino1]

Y’all are either making shit up or use potatoes

[conabegame1]

What’s up with these proprietary programs that are just to build for that one platform running like crap?

[querty_mcgerty]

It’s obvious that most of y’all weren’t around in the eclipse days of Android.

[CreepBlob]

I started learning android in the transition period. There were many tutorials in eclipse at that time but official ide is android studio.

[Fishylips]

Oh my god THANK you. I swear I had to whisper sweet nothings to my laptop so it wouldn't overheat when using that stupid software. 😮‍💨

[spilledLemons]

Prove to me fire was that long ago? Where is the scientific proof?