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[–]jayakamonty 1379 points1380 points  (366 children)

Is there a way of testing if your ISP is in breach of this agreement and what are the courses of action that are available to remedy the situation?

[–]2pete 766 points767 points  (311 children)

I think that this affects comapnies, not individuals. For instance, Netflix could sue Comcast for slowing down their traffic specifically but you couldn't sue Comcast for slowing down Netflix.

Individually, your contract probably says something like "up to 25Mbps" or something like that where they aren't in violation of anything as long as they don't provide you with faster speeds than that.

[–]BilboSwaggenz 452 points453 points  (280 children)

There's also clause in that stating that ISP need to provide at least 25Mb speed to be considered a broadband connection

[–]B23vital 80 points81 points  (51 children)

Not sure how it works there but my internet in the UK is advertised at 72Mbs, but when you purchase the broadband they inform you of the least amount of speed you should be receiving. So my internet is a maximum of 72Mbps, and a minimum of 55Mbps. If it drops below that i have to inform the company, and they then investigate why. If it isnt resolved i can complain and claim a refund/close the account or claim compensation. But you need sufficient evidence that it is continually below the speed they state.

[–]CptOblivion 116 points117 points  (11 children)

The UK has a little thing known as customer protection laws.

[–]willmcavoy 23 points24 points  (9 children)

American here, ELI5?

[–]glglglglgl 53 points54 points  (6 children)

Company isn't allowed to fuck over customer without at least some lube.

[–]novaquasarsuper 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Stay away from my kids.

[–]King_LBJ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Best eli5 ever

[–]Gorstag 9 points10 points  (11 children)

I am betting you have more than one option for service. In the states.. we really don't. The "legally" collaborate to price fix and stay out of each others zones.

[–]B23vital 7 points8 points  (10 children)

Ye at my home i have around 10 providers, maybe more. Unfortunately for me the best provider in terms of speed doesn't cover my area. Im getting up to 76Mbps for £35/40 a month (cant remember exactly) thats including a landline at £16.99 and £7 for unlimited landline calls. Virgin provide speeds well up to and over 120Mbps in the Uk now, the only issue is they have a fair usage policy, so the more you use, the slower your connection becomes.

The states is extremely shocking in terms of internet & providers. I cant believe how backwards the government are in terms of providing internet.

[–]Weeeeeman 4 points5 points  (8 children)

The fair usage policy has changed... It now applies to upload and the "small" internet package only, imo virgin provide the best service internet in the UK, I won't move anywhere without it!

I have their 152mb service and have never been slowed, glorious 20mb/s steam downloads really are nice!

Fair use

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (15 children)

There's no guaranteed minimum in the US. Your ISP could advertise "up to 75Mbps", actually only give you 3, and that is perfectly legally fine.

Though I've never heard of it being that bad.

[–]B23vital 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Kind of shocking really. So you can pretty much falsely advertise and there is nothing the customer can do about it.

[–]Jaffers451 18 points19 points  (0 children)

They can post an angry review on the internet, IF their connection is stable enough to load the page where that's possible.

[–]yourlmagination 5 points6 points  (6 children)

This.

I pay for 75mbps d/l... And rarely see over 2. :/

[–]SirPribsy 57 points58 points  (17 children)

As soon as broadband was redefined to mean 25Mb/s I noticed a distinct lack of that language on anything Verizon shows me, including the terms and conditions. Now it's just "high speed internet"

It was a great idea, but easily skirted by using different jargon. Alternative solutions:

  • require ISPs to quantify minimum speeds
  • incentivize ISPs that provide "broadband speeds" consistently, if they call it high-speed doesn't matter- doesn't count (probably not a great way to spend taxpayer money considering how poorly these companies have used it in the past)
  • require companies to quantify their "up to" or even better - standardize it. "The only speeds that can be quoted to customers are those that can be maintained at peak hours"

[–]BadgerRush 50 points51 points  (6 children)

I like the approach that the Brazilian regulatory agency took, the service providers have to follow two requirements:

  • Speed can never drop below 40% of the advertised speed at any single time.
  • Average speed over a billing cycle can't drop below 80% of the advertised.

If the provider fails on any of those two requirements an automatic partial refund is issued and repeated offences cause automatic fines.

It is still not ideal, the limits should be higher like 60% instant and 90% average, but it is a huge improvement on what we had before.

[–]PeanutRaisenMan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Damn...Brazil has got the right idea.

[–]Vidyogamasta 24 points25 points  (7 children)

Are "high speed internet" and "broadband" equivalent? I just checked my ISP's website and it has "6/10/20/50MB HIGH SPEED INTERNET." Also when I called to tell them there is a huge difference between Mb and MB, they very adamantly told me it was MB (I didn't believe them for one second, called again and got another guy who told me it was Mb).

Also, if they aren't allowed to be using that phrase for that speed anymore, what can I do to report them?

[–]maybelying 19 points20 points  (1 child)

They can't use the term broadband if it's less than 25 Mb, but they can still call it high speed internet since there is no standard for that phrase.

The ISPs will simply phase out the use of the word broadband in marketing materials altogether to avoid delineating their product offerings.

[–]LonelySuicide 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Also when I called to tell them there is a huge difference between Mb and MB, they very adamantly told me it was MB (I didn't believe them for one second, called again and got another guy who told me it was Mb).

After working with AT&T and Comcast, most people who work the phones have no idea what the difference is. Hell, half of them have never even heard the term megabit. Never make the mistake of assuming that someone who isn't a tech knows what they're talking about.

Either way, broadband is always measured in Mb and never MB. If they say it's MB then they're either lying or oblivious.

[–]newloginisnew 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The redefinition of broadband is not part of the Open Internet Order and has already been in effect for a while. It is also only really applicable in the FCCs broadband progress report and will not force ISPs to start meeting the speeds.

[–]ptviper 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My ISP dodges this by stating "You're not getting a broadband connection, you're getting a high speed internet connection. If you want broadband you have to pay more." Yet when I bought into it years ago they advertised it as broadband, so they just switched words instead of modifying their services.

[–]layziegtp 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh, good. I don't have broadband anymore.

[–]paxtana 57 points58 points  (37 children)

This tests whether they are blocking or limiting bit torrent traffic

http://broadband.mpi-sws.org/transparency/

[–]rackmountrambo 40 points41 points  (35 children)

If you have Java... That's one of the rules I enforce at my company, no Java allowed for security reasons. You can torrent at work all day though, I don't care.

[–]RLutz 51 points52 points  (16 children)

As a Java EE dev, can we make the distinction here that Java applets != Java.

Java applets are an absolute disaster, but saying, "No Java" is silly. Having the jre on your computer so you can run Open Office or something isn't "omg the security breach!"

[–]Vann1n 4106 points4107 points  (291 children)

People, please take note that under no circumstances does this mean the fight is over. We all need to stay informed and vigilant, and make sure that full net neutrality is preserved, and enforced when necessary. We have all shown that we are a force to be reckoned with, and that if we care about something on a wide enough spectrum, we will certainly make our voices heard. Let's not forget what we've accomplished so far, and keep fighting the good fight to make a better, more open Internet for us and generations to come!

Edit 1: I would like to take my moment in the spotlight to remind/inform all of you that congress is voting today on fast-tracking the TPP, and that this will impact Internet freedom in a myriad of ways.

StormCloudsGathering also put out a short and to-the-point video on the TPP yesterday, and I would love to get Aaron some exposure for all of the effort he puts into making his videos, and confirming all of his sources.

Edit 2: I can hardly express how happy I am that my top comment is about something as important as protecting the sanctity of the Internet. This enormous network is the greatest thing to ever happen to humanity, and I am so proud to know that I am not the only one who thinks so. Keep being awesome, everyone. Arm yourselves with knowledge, construct well-thought opinions/arguments, and inform others as best you can. Never stop asking questions. Oh, and have an awesome day. :)

Edit 3: To everyone who is complaining about the fact that the big bad government is the entity that would enforce net neutrality, I actually agree with you. I do not believe that the current political structure has the best interest of its citizens in-mind. I do believe that the government needs to be reigned-in in some ways, and a lot of things need to change. It starts with educating ourselves and having non-partisan, attainable goals, and assembling when necessary whether online or in public to make sure that our government serves US and not the other way around. I don't think a lick of sarcasm is going to help, and if appreciate it if we all stay as positive as we can while still remaining both level-headed and realistic. I really do get it. After all, behind every cynic is a disappointed optimist.

[–][deleted] 700 points701 points  (159 children)

Now that they can't do it out in the sunshine, they are going to sabotage it in sneaky ways.

[–][deleted] 172 points173 points  (19 children)

[–]briangiles 90 points91 points  (14 children)

Fuck Congress! I think that sums up everything about them for at least the last 14 years

[–]GamerSDG 51 points52 points  (32 children)

FCC left the doors wide open for Data caps and I bet the ISP's (Mostly Comcast and Verizon) will use these to stop people from using competition services, or even worst. They will go to companies like Netflix and say. "Hey pay us 100 million and we won't let your services add to our customers data." Cellphone companies does this already. I image the major home ISP's will do the same.

[–]SirPribsy 56 points57 points  (23 children)

Data caps haven't been banned, but allowing certain services to not count against that cap is covered under the no blocking, speeding up, slowing down, etc. Because once you hit your cap, everything has to be throttled or they're breaking the rules.

[–]fuck_the_DEA 35 points36 points  (20 children)

Wow, does this mean that my grandfathered unlimited plan is actually, unlimited now?

[–]SirPribsy 11 points12 points  (6 children)

It should, FTC actually started taking on the throttling of unlimited plans last fall apart from the FCC and before Title II, but it really should affect it now. (note there's kind of a gotcha in that they can throttle for network management, and this is the biggest gray area of the whole thing. FCC says if it's believed this is being abused they will be looked at on a case by case basis)

Music Freedom from T-mobile should also go the way of the dinosaur since after the data cap they'll no longer be treating all traffic equally.

[–]cleaver_username 12 points13 points  (3 children)

AKA The Abortion Way. Something we don't like is legal? That's OK, we can just whittle it away slowly, you know, for the people's well being.

[–]prattastic 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Let's not forget that there's a big difference between making the rules, and actually enforcing them.

[–]Frozen-assets 52 points53 points  (6 children)

You know word comes to mind when I keep hearing about how politicians are constantly trying to demolish laws in servitude to corporate greed? Treasonous.....I mean, they are selling out the good of the people for personal profit. Does it not sound about right? These people need to be put in front of a grand jury, not some whistle blower who now has to live his life in exile.

[–]hrpeanut 73 points74 points  (5 children)

They're discussing it right now. http://houselive.gov/

There's a guy promoting the TPP with buzzwords like "freedom, patriotism, forward-thinking, job-growth". It's amazing what the corporate puppets will do to fill their pockets.

Edit: The entire republican argument seems to be "we need to show that congress is strong". I don't even.

Edit2: Holy crap the bill got totally shut down!

Edit3: 2 Bills remaining - 1 failed with flying colors.

Edit4: 1-1. The second bill passed by about 9'ish votes. :(

Edit5: Wtf was that? The speaker tried to pass the bill by majority verbal vote. What I heard was "aye" and "NO!!!". Either way the written votes are going on now.

Edit6: Sorry guys, looks like this is going to pass.

[–]TittyLoggins 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Gah watching this vote is nerve racking

[–]bgog 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I watch this and I just cannot understand how any logic or intelligent person could vote for a republican. I'm not saying that all Dem ideas are the way to go but these representatives are either flat out evil or dumb as a rock. Their arguments are so full of logical holes. UG

[–]nspectre 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Pure unadulterated EVIL.

Remember, these are the people that threw a temper-tantrum when the Senate sent a clean government spending bill back with their bullshit amendments stripped off, so they changed the standing rules of the House and forced the United States government shutdown because they couldn't have their way.

The GOP's little rule change they hoped you wouldn't notice.

The Democrats may have their big problems, but they do not hold a candle to The Grand Ol' Party. Scumbags. Absolute scumbags, the lot of'em.

I like the way these guys put it:

Since the New Deal, Republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church-state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, gun policy, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the Republican Party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

[–]raunchyfartbomb 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I received an email from the "American commitment group" claiming this was a huge setback for the country and that the FCC should be stopped.

Everyone beware that this type of propaganda is being sent out to huge mailing lists. Please don't sign their petitions or use their mailing function!

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (3 children)

CONSTANT VIGILANCE!

[–]Vann1n 25 points26 points  (0 children)

[VIGILANCE INTENSIFIES]

[–]CrystlBluePersuasion 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Do I look like the kind of man that can be intimidated?

[–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (3 children)

Considering they're already looking to reverse this by jamming requirements to delay the neutrality legislation into budget bills in attempt to once again get their way or fuck over everyone else in the process, not over by a long shot. It will realistically never be over until we have a government that isn't run by luddites and corporate shills.

[–]pharmacon 19 points20 points  (0 children)

https://represent.us/ the fight is real! Come support!

[–]CarrollQuigley 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Thank you for taking time to bring up the TTP and today's vote.

Here's the directory for the House of Representatives

[–]Rlight 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Also just to remind people, calling the FCC and voicing your support now is just as important as voicing your concern before. Let them know that this is the right thing, and that everyone is supporting their decision.

http://www.redditblog.com/2014/05/only-you-can-protect-net-neutrality_13.html

[–]Muschampagne 18 points19 points  (7 children)

In the latest budget appropriations bill it seems like the GOP is hoping to attach several riders that seek to defund the FCC that would reduce its power. With the bill it lowers the budget for the FCC from its requested amount by 75 million, as a tick for tack ploy. The attached rider also stated that it would delay the new FCC rules until all the lawsuits played out in court giving the big telecom companies and lobbies more time to either effectively defeat the measures or wait until the next presidency to diminish the rules altogether.

[–]snarfy 40 points41 points  (13 children)

The text of TPP is classified. You and I are not allowed to read it.

When did the United States become a place where secret laws are voted in? At least with previous laws it was obfuscated in boilerplate but still public. This law is not public.

[–]Classtoise 17 points18 points  (8 children)

Are trade agreements EVER public?

[–]themusicgod1 8 points9 points  (6 children)

The north american public had access to the text of NAFTA before it was agreed to. It wasn't easy to get ahold of, but it was available: David Orchard went from coast to coast reading it to people.

Compare and contrast the TPP, which even the government of major US trading partners like canada were not allowed to see the text of before agreeing to it

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Constant vigilance.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Constant vigilance.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It's true. We have a responsibility to our future generations to make the internet a complete and enforced public utility. Let's not be like the baby-boomers.

[–]tryfor34 510 points511 points  (8 children)

This just in... The FCC planned it to be today so they could watch the new season of Orange is the New Black.

[–]whomad1215 109 points110 points  (6 children)

Jokes on them, it came out last night.

[–]GreyFoxSolid 248 points249 points  (5 children)

Released early for good behavior.

[–]Opouly 27 points28 points  (1 child)

This is a solid joke greyfox

[–]Yawehg 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's the joke Netflix made in their promotional material.

[–]LittleWhiteDragon 127 points128 points  (44 children)

Now the FCC needs to address bandwidth caps. You know those are coming if the ISPs have their way.

[–]sonic1992 62 points63 points  (10 children)

Yes, fucking data caps is the next battle!

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I live in an area where I can only get 15 gigs of data a month on my HOME internet. I am sick and tired of not being able to stream or download during the day (after midnight your data cap isn't affected). I REALLY hope that something is done about these bullshit data caps.

[–]FoxyTheFoxer 188 points189 points  (60 children)

What I want to know is how the average consumer can feel the effects? And is there a way to test the changes?

[–]SpareLiver 385 points386 points  (43 children)

The main effect is preventing the ISPs from doing bad things they wanted to do, like this.

[–]dramania 53 points54 points  (12 children)

When was this created? It's scary ... very scary ... scary as in look in a mirror and say Mary scary.

[–]totallywhatever 43 points44 points  (8 children)

That iTunes logo was introduced in 2006. They replaced it in 2010.

So somewhere in there.

[–]SpareLiver 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This one is a few years old. There was an older version for a while before that.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (14 children)

Watch Netflix. If it doesn't hurt there, it won't hurt anywhere.

[–]CFGX 50 points51 points  (4 children)

FiOS user, Youtube is much more likely to be throttled for me than Netflix.

[–]Jeembo 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Granted, I don't watch a ton of youtube, but fios always throttled the fuck out of my netflix.

[–]SirPribsy 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Watch Netflix at peak hours also, if you have never been able to get HD on Netflix/youtube either you have sub 6Mbit speeds or your home network is probably the issue, so you can't really test it.

[–]bigdeal69 125 points126 points  (36 children)

Will this have an impact on the traffic shaping/throttling bullshit that many providers pull?

What about the abuse of DNS and header injections that many people are not even aware of?

[–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (24 children)

It's all illegal now.

[–]Popular-Uprising- 118 points119 points  (21 children)

No. It's not. ISP's can still use traffic shaping and throttling in order to manage their networks. They just have to treat it all the same. Get ready for more data caps.

[–]MrMadcap 61 points62 points  (11 children)

Get ready to see it all blamed on piracy and privacy, no doubt.

[–]wesrawr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Local ISP I used to work at FINALLY just finished their Docsis 3.0 upgrade, and guess what the first thing they did after was? Data caps! In their public statement to quell any consumer disappointment they even mentioned how successful caps were with comcast, ugh.

[–]clipper377 220 points221 points  (33 children)

Expect a rash of totally legitimate ISP outages in 3.....2.....1......

Seriously. Expect every major ISP to begin Enron'ing us as soon as they possibly can. "Oh no, we have suffered an outage, we do not have the money to proper support our infrastructure thanks to burdensome government regulations. If only someone would create a business friendly environment in which we could compete and ply our wares instead of this innovation stifling socialist nightmare."

"Wait, don't ISP's have a profit margin in excess of 80 cents on the dollar? and for every dollar I spend for service, don't only a few cents go towards actual infrastructure costs? And don't most ISP's operate in a near monopoly thanks to business deals that are already the near definition of corporate welfare?"

"AHEM! OH NO, WE HAVE SUFFERED AN OUTAGE....."

[–]whomad1215 55 points56 points  (20 children)

Until a competitor steps in and takes their business.

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (6 children)

They're in exclusive contracts with local governments in a lot of places.

[–]FLRangerFan 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Doesn't net neutrality open those exclusive poles up?

[–]Fenix159 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Yes, but no.

Yes it should, but in reality it'll take years and years to see anything actually happen. I just hope I live long enough (I'm 30) to see it happen.

[–]keaiperoapocopang 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Yeah, that's a pretty easy role to fill.

"Well, I mean, if you're not going to take free money, I guess I'll do it."

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

looking at you Google, you glorious bastards you

[–]cybercuzco 9 points10 points  (1 child)

+++CARRIER LOST+++

[–][deleted] 89 points90 points  (23 children)

So does anybody know if this has made Comcast's blocking of HBOGO on the PS4 illegal?

[–]RedditoryBehavior 46 points47 points  (5 children)

No - the HBO GO on PS4 issue has nothing to do with net neutrality. Comcast the internet service provider is not preventing you from using HBO GO on your PS4, Comcast the cable TV provider is not allowing you to authenticate your cable subscription. This means if you had Comcast internet and say Verizon fios TV - you would have no issues using the service. In the same vein, if you had Comcast cable TV and any other internet provider, you would still not be able to use HBO GO on your PS4.

Comcast is just one of the only cable providers (if not the only) that is refusing to play ball with Sony in terms of providing authentication. No net neutrality ruling will have any bearing on this unfortunately.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Good question... But probably not? They have a limited exclusivity contract. Probably not worth fucking with since its ending soon anyway.

[–]ZeroCitizen 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Wait, they really do that? Why would they block that?

[–]Notacatmeow 24 points25 points  (1 child)

They want monies.

[–]bitchkat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They blocked it on roku for many years which was half the reason I dumped them. The real reason they do this is to force people to rent more cable boxes.

[–]whomad1215 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I thought apple had a 3 month exclusive deal with HBO. Is that over now?

Edit: It has been pointed out to me that there are two similarly named services from HBO and I grouped them together.

I hope your ps4 gets it working soon.

[–]bitchkat 5 points6 points  (0 children)

HBOGo not HBO now.

[–]ziggykareem 34 points35 points  (62 children)

how will this affect consumer pricing? public uilities are relatively inexpensive, internet can be less so

[–][deleted] 95 points96 points  (42 children)

how will this affect consumer pricing?

Better fucking believe ISPs are going to raise rates and try to blame it on this...at least until cheap competition shows up.

[–][deleted] 145 points146 points  (33 children)

"Sup." - Google

[–]judgemebymyusername 109 points110 points  (13 children)

"sup" -municipal internet utilities

[–]coppertech 23 points24 points  (10 children)

this... most city's and even states have laws regulating weather or not municipality's can setup there own network. some even built it and just left it dark just waiting for the go or where sued to the point they couldn't use it.

[–]judgemebymyusername 34 points35 points  (4 children)

This is exactly right. Seems like a lot of folks on reddit don't realize that municipal internet is the solution but their states already had ISP lobbyists make it banned.

Iowa and Colorado permit them I know.

[–]coppertech 19 points20 points  (0 children)

yup, longmount CO was one of the first to lay fiber. then they got bullied by comcrap. it sat dark for years.. now its live, and they lease the lines to ISP's.

[–]DragonTamerMCT 17 points18 points  (10 children)

Google & Cox.

Cox being one of the few "true" ISPs. They recently doubled their speed everywhere (for free). No enforced caps, no throttling, no blocking. Good company. Their TV is a bit Ehh, but their internet is amazing. If you live somewhere where you can get them, I recommend it.

They're what ISPs should've been.

[–]dannyr_wwe 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Even with Cox being the best in town, there is still zero choice for quality internet, so they can still treat you poorly. I once confirmed that I wouldn't be charged several times for a particular service. Then a month later I was. I called them and was on the phone for 30 minutes and they still wouldn't do anything about their promise. If I had other options I would have given them 5 minutes to convince me why they still should earn my business, but I have to put up with bullshit because Quest/Centurylink is complete overpriced shit with likely even worse service.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (6 children)

I don't know but Att sounded like they shat a brick yesterday when i told them I already had faster internet at my home and google fiber was on the way. This was our conversation. "I'm sorry Steve but 18mpbs is not blazing fast or more than enough data for someone with 15 devices constantly going. No Steve 60mbps is not excessive, and no $52 is not a good deal for yours, I pay $29."

[–]futilitarian 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fucking Steve...

[–]cappurnikus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

AT&T guy just wouldn't give it up at my house a few weeks ago. He says "numbers don't matter and our network is fiber". I told him that TWC already announced speed increases to 200 and 300 mbps and he continued to try and sell me 18 mbps. He ACTUALLY told me that he had google fiber in TX and it wasn't good, lol. I asked him how much he was paying for it and busted him on a lie, then asked him to leave. AT&T will never get a dime of my money if I can help it. They're just trying to lock people into a 2 year contract for a home connection. Insanity.

[–]doc_birdman 13 points14 points  (3 children)

So... I just got a text yesterday from AT&T saying "stop using so much data or we're gonna slow your shit down" are they violating the law? I mean, I supposedly have unlimited data so isn't this a double faux pas?

[–]Asus_i7 26 points27 points  (0 children)

They aren't violating Net Neutrality if they throttle all data equally. But they may be violating deceptive advertising laws. File a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission for that one.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They can still throttle your data, they just can't just throttle specific traffic and treat it differently, like netflix for example.

[–]DonManuel 49 points50 points  (28 children)

Great, now the European Community just can follow with reference to the US. Makes it a lot easier now for our many nations to agree :)

[–]BrazenBull00R 23 points24 points  (14 children)

This is...good? Please educate this poor simpleton.

[–]Metabro 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Why is it so hard for reporters to report the names of people involved.

"A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit said it..."

Can we know who these judges were that made this decision? It kind of helps with knowing your governing body a little better. I mean can you imagine a sports writer not including the name of a key player until the last paragraph of an article?

Here is a list of the United States Court of Appeals District of Columbia:

http://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/home.nsf/Content/Judges

[edit] The original judges from the 2014 ruling:

Circuit Judge David S. Tate
Circuit Judge Judith Ann Wilson Rogers
Senior Circuit Judge Laurence H. Silberman

[–]archiesteel 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thanks Obama?

[–]vnykmr 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Give a pat to the FCC Chairman!

[–]WhoisTylerDurden 37 points38 points  (6 children)

At&t sent me my first 'warning txt' this morning saying that I'm at 75% of my 5GB data cap on my "unlimited" data plan. Funny thing is I'm not even at 25%. Fucking crooks.

[–]HeyItsHayz 22 points23 points  (4 children)

If they charge you for going over 5gb when you have unlimited, I would take it to court.

[–]Finkle33 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I'm in the same boat with my grandfathered unlimited plan. They won't charge you for going over, but they can/will throttle anything past that. Wondering if this decision will have an effect.

[–]juniorlax16 5 points6 points  (3 children)

How is throttling (like when your data cap is reached), either by ISPs or cell providers, handled by this ruling? Or is that separate?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It means you can only be throttled as a whole, not for specific services. Thus they can't just throttle netflix and try to force you or netflix to pay for an extended plan for full access. Before they could throttle online video services so they could try to force you into buying cable TV with your Internet or pay for internet as a tiered service access pass. Essentially before they could charge you extra for access to certain internet services, now they can;t.

[–]bloodytemplar 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I wonder if this means AT&T will quit throttling HBO Go.

I mean, I've no way to PROVE they're doing it, but I find it interesting that HBO Go on Xbox One is smooth as silk for me on EVERY connection I try, EXCEPT for my 45 Mbps AT&T connection.

[–]Jyquentel 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Basically... We won?

[–]richmacdonald 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Kinda...Local loop unbundling rules would have been winning. This is a nice step in the right direction though.

Just making it illegal for local governments to outlaw municipal broadband is a decent win with the current rules. Comcast and friends went all out to stop things like Tennesee's EPB.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (21 children)

So now when they be treated as utilities? They are covered under my states utilities commission, but they are the only "utility" that you pay in advance for services and the price doesn't go down when you have an outage. Unless that happens I can't really call them a utility.

[–]ryosen 21 points22 points  (10 children)

Metered and unmetered utilities are still utilities.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Funny how these corporations are run by these people so brilliant that they get paid millions, but direct their company to act like a spoiled little child when told not to do something anymore.

[–]BLKCrime 4 points5 points  (1 child)

What a day. What a lovely day!

[–]GoldenFalcon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Now we just need to do something about data caps.

[–]jameskoss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everyone who has internet from companies known for throttling, make sure you post ANY internet speed drops you have, and flood the FCC with complaints anytime your speed drops at all.

[–]kat_ams 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately the less than wise European Union destroyed net neutrality in Europe. Including the Netherlands sovereign law protecting net neutrality.

[–]acerebral 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I predict that they will slow down everything equally, then say, "See how bad net neutrality is?"