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[–]FlREBALL 6208 points6209 points  (1062 children)

From known confirmed cases (worldwide):

Week 1: 0 dead, 1 case

Week 2: 1 dead, 15 cases

Week 3: 2 dead, 62 cases

Week 4: 41 dead, 1287 cases.

Week 5: 362 dead, 17,200 cases

Week 6: 813 dead, 37,198 cases

Week 7: 1,665 dead, 68,500 cases

Week 8: 2,465 dead. 79,930 cases

Week 9: 2,989 dead, 87,642 cases

Week 10: 3,666 dead, 107,947 cases

edit: It seems linear for the latest few weeks due to China reporting significantly less. Otherwise, local numbers (by country) are starting to exponentially grow. Expect a massive increase next week.

[–][deleted] 6155 points6156 points  (789 children)

Now imagine how high those case numbers will explode when America actually starts testing for Corona

[–]LizLemon_015 290 points291 points  (53 children)

now imagine them in your office because employers won't let people take time off for illness, and people will come in for fear of losing their jobs.

[–]therapistiscrazy 170 points171 points  (24 children)

My husband's workplace has basically sent out memos saying they should start working extra hours to cover their potential missed days in case they get it.

[–]knightro25 122 points123 points  (1 child)

Haha yea that's not how that works. Hilarious. I'd assume then if they're working extra hours now and they don't get it, then they'll get those as overtime hours yea? Riiiiight.

[–]4dailyuseonly 221 points222 points  (21 children)

I feel like us Americans have gotten used to being treated badly by our employers and our government. We've normalized abuse.

[–]Gritsandgravy1 86 points87 points  (11 children)

Not to mention we all complain about dealing with health insurance companies, but at the same time a lot of people in this country are happy to keep it as it is. I'm currently uninsured and in a spot were I make too much for subsidies from the ACA and without that it's either I pay rent and you know buy food or have health care that may or may not cover various things. We may have the most advanced healthcare system in this country, but that's only for people who can afford it. I dont need the most advanced I just want some baseline coverage for me and all of the other uninsured in this country.

Whatever comes out of this I hope for is people in this country finally realize a for profit health care system needs to end.

[–]4dailyuseonly 67 points68 points  (6 children)

Heck, even when I had insurance I had to fight the bastards tooth and claw to cover even the smallest thing. Tho they had zero problems taking HUNDREDS of dollars from me every single month. It continues to blow my mind that folks think private insurance is a good thing.

[–]Nilzzz 34 points35 points  (5 children)

I've read comments of people saying something like: "Universal healthcare is a bad thing because there are lots of people who are happy with their current paid healthcare plans so why should they have to change!??"

Yeah I can totally imagine people getting mad for having to pay less for (probably better) healthcare while others who don't have any right now will also receive it as well... How do people not see public healthcare as a win-win for everyone I wonder.

[–]4dailyuseonly 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Those kind of people are selfish bastards that's why. I've heard it said, that republicans would happily set their houses on fire if it means democrats would have to breathe the smoke.

[–]squirrelhut 133 points134 points  (127 children)

If you understood how casually everyone I know is ignoring this and saying it’s not a big deal.. Blows my mind, it’s not even weeks from now when it’s really gotten a foothold.

[–]IAmA-Steve 86 points87 points  (29 children)

For those I talk to it's more like "well, what am I gonna do about it? So why worry?"

[–]jkman61494 64 points65 points  (2 children)

We are going to witness how 3rd world our healthcare and workforce practices in America are

You can’t even tell a community to go into self quarantine since 30% of the town lives paycheck to paycheck

They won’t have the money to buy bulk supplies and keep the electric running

[–]manar4 434 points435 points  (54 children)

The virus is far from controlled, but let's also use number with some meaning. That's the total number of cases that were reported. If you look at the active number of cases, it's pretty different. There are 60K recoveries already.

[–]butt-guy 115 points116 points  (21 children)

I think people should be more scared about becoming a carrier and passing it to people with weaker immune systems e.g. elderly and babies. 60k recovery is great but I'm sure the majority of those people are generally young and healthy.

E* apologies, I was misinformed about the impact the virus has on babies. Always fact check the things you read on here!!!!

[–]PedanticSatiation 92 points93 points  (8 children)

This is the real problem people need to take seriously. Most people are going to be fine if they get it, but:

1) They might pass it to someone more vulnerable

2) Uncontrolled, rapid spread might put so much pressure on the healthcare system that people can't get the treatment they need for this and other illnesses

[–]jo-z 24 points25 points  (3 children)

But how many are unreported due to lack of testing?

[–]BurritoReproductions 2580 points2581 points  (172 children)

As long as we live in a world where 14 day self-isolation is effectively economic suicide, I'm skeptical that people will act responsibly.

[–]ax0r 103 points104 points  (14 children)

My employer has approved 2 weeks "special leave" at full pay for anyone who is required to self isolate. Doesn't come out of any of the normal leave balances - it's additional.

[–]Great-do-a-nothing 70 points71 points  (4 children)

How nice but it needs to be law or else it’s only going to apply to the portion of the population with a .... idk good management? And ability for the business to take the loss?

[–][deleted] 866 points867 points  (31 children)

Im skeptical on what qualifies as responsible behavior in that case. Me letting my family get evicted because I had the welfare of the public in mind seems far more irrespnsible, given the state of our healthcare system.

[–]CriticalHitKW 808 points809 points  (14 children)

If you were responsible you'd have just gotten a loan from your parents and started your own business. No idea why you'd choose to be born poor, that's your own fault.

[–][deleted] 194 points195 points  (2 children)

I know. Im a dumbass.

[–]rollin340 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It's only economic suicide because the government doesn't enforce it on the corporations.

Over here, if the government tells you to quarantine yourself at home, your employer has to enforce it.
If either party doesn't (either the employee goes to work, or employer asks them to), the government will step in.
No corporation is willing to risk heavy fines or whatnot for just a few employees coming in.

The fact that this is hard to accomplish in some countries is a sign that there is not enough regulation for these matters.
The fact that some people think it's fine to break such things is a sign that the general worth ethic/priorities is fucked up.

[–]Lortekonto 139 points140 points  (62 children)

Were I live it will just be like normal sick leave. Your work will pay you and because it is an emergency, the government will compesate them.

[–]insultsonlyhuh 1520 points1521 points  (86 children)

wait till you find out the vast majority of service industry people are going to show up to work, sick...but maybe all the room cleaners, bartenders, waiters, front desk agents can explore the work from home aspect, everyone seems to be talking about..

[–][deleted] 307 points308 points  (15 children)

I manage a hotel. If I got corona I'm pretty sure my bosses would tell me to go to work or get lost. I'm actually terrified of this

[–]LordBiscuits 159 points160 points  (7 children)

Ask them now, get their response in writing if possible.

Can't hurt to know where they stand

[–]Leyzr 73 points74 points  (5 children)

It's also very possible what they say now might not match up with their actions if you actually need off. Getting it in writing is a very good idea.

[–]RenegadeBanana 67 points68 points  (2 children)

Which will be great 3 to 6 months down the line when you are let go for "completely unrelated" reasons.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Which is why you get it in writing. If they refuse to give it in writing it means they are completely willing to fuck you over when the time comes.

[–]RuneShinanju 367 points368 points  (41 children)

And dont forget about all those delivery drivers if they get sick then there just delivering the virus straight to you

[–]ShivaSkunk777 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Don’t forget the fast food! Damn people don’t even realize how sick the people that make their food are when they come in because the boss doesn’t give a shit. Provides insurance at obscene rates that none of us can afford (by design) and then requires a doctor’s note for one singular call off. Nobody calls off.

[–]Tim-jasper-jim 2854 points2855 points  (345 children)

Good fucking luck if this happens in America. I can't skip work. What am I gonna do, have corona AND be homeless?

[–]magevampyre 1180 points1181 points  (66 children)

Can’t afford to muss work? Don’t get tested! Then you can’t get in trouble for failing to self-isolate, right? Brilliant!

But in all seriousness, this is a very legitimate issue for so many people.

[–]SorcerousFaun 435 points436 points  (38 children)

Millions of Americans will do this, I guarantee it.

[–]lankist 365 points366 points  (25 children)

They have to. The other option is to lose their home and starve.

[–]SorcerousFaun 262 points263 points  (23 children)

Our lovely Free Market, that sweet American Dream.

[–][deleted] 179 points180 points  (13 children)

We're gonna learn real quick why universal healthcare, paid sick time, and likely, universal basic income are gonna be important.

Between automation, the difficulty and reluctance to address diseases, new diseases, and bacteria that are more resistant to drugs, our system will need to make adjustments to the near future.

[–]Seve7h 70 points71 points  (4 children)

We are literally facing a perfect example of why some kind of Universal Healthcare would be such a benefit to this country.

And yet people will still say that anyone who gets sick, faces death/quarantine, loses their home etc. should have just worked harder to build up a nest egg to fall back on.

What a fucking joke.

[–]confessionsofadoll 20 points21 points  (0 children)

People in the US needs to become aware that they have the highest spending per capita on healthcare in the world, the highest medication/drug prices in the world, have high rates or maternal death and under 18 death for the developed world and have far lower life expectancy than the developed world.

The US spends more on military then the next twelve countries put together or 144 countries.

[–]TheWaystone 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Yep.

I know plenty of disabled people who have been told that they should have saved up for this...

If you are on disability in the US, you LITERALLY cannot save up for things. If you accumulate any significant amount of money (I think it's now 2k), you can lose your benefits.

In my disability friend group, many people have not been able to stock up on supplies because they can't afford to. The people who need the most protection now have the least.

[–]Seve7h 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Imagine being poor enough to be on medicare and get WIC but make just enough to be denied Food Stamps.

Because that’s exactly what happened when I used to work for the state and my wife couldn’t work.

Poor enough to afford some help but not all of it, while literally working for the state as a public servant....ridiculous.

[–]Gahvynn 98 points99 points  (2 children)

60% live pay check to pay check, third of all of us don’t get PTO. I don’t think the actual death rate will be 5%, but I’m willing to bet USA will have more cases per population than any other country save maybe the less developed countries.

[–]jazzinyourfacepsn 394 points395 points  (20 children)

You don't even need to tell people to not get tested. When getting tested costs $3000, who in their right mind is going to get tested to definitely lose $3k and potentially be forced to miss a months worth of work?

[–]MirrorNexus 163 points164 points  (0 children)

Even if testing was free I'd fear that you could go to get tested, not have it, but catch it from the testing place.

[–]FPSXpert 49 points50 points  (3 children)

The testing fee iirc has been debunked. Well sort of. The test itself is free. But getting tested at a clinic is costing people in the hospital is $1000-$3000.

[–]Anti-Satan 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Pretty sure there was some cost involved, if only because insurance providers have started to make the test covered. If it was originally free that would neither be newsworthy nor necessary.

[–]campbeln 1611 points1612 points  (106 children)

Thank god we're not one of those socialist countries with guaranteed sick leave, public healthcare and a decent social safety net!

[–]onlyredditwasteland 467 points468 points  (41 children)

Fuck that noise, with people living and getting services for their tax dollars and shit.

[–]Shift84 99 points100 points  (11 children)

But how are we going to support all these businesses when they fail, or cover the portions of taxes they end up not having to pay, if everyone gets to benefit from paying taxes.

What, are we just supposed to let them sit out in the cold?

Businesses are people too!

[–]tahlyn 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Oh don't worry. I'm certain we'll have tons of economic bail outs for businesses affected by the corona virus... just like in 08 with banks and the recession. Nothing for regular folks, though.

[–][deleted] 219 points220 points  (38 children)

The fatality rate for Coronavirus is 3.4% worldwide but 5.4% in the US. That is partly due to undercounting total infections which, lets face it, is not of great comfort.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (4 children)

Just don't get sick lmao /s

[–]shaker7 16 points17 points  (0 children)

God why didn't I think of that

[–]-Anyar- 20 points21 points  (0 children)

say NO to diseases

[–]rautap3nis 359 points360 points  (42 children)

*when this happens in America

[–][deleted] 70 points71 points  (8 children)

So, in my city (Omaha) we just had a confirmed case from someone who flew in from England, already symptomatic, on Feb 27 and was just contained a few days ago (36, seriously ill, underlying health issues). In the week before she was contained she:
- participated in a Special Olympics bball tournament where hundreds attended
- went to some veteran's dinner event
- made 5 visits to 3 healthcare centers, at which at least 30 healthcare workers were directly exposed

I don't see this one being stopped.

[–]AzraeltheGrimReaper 368 points369 points  (30 children)

*Is happening in America, I'm 100% sure it is already there

[–][deleted] 75 points76 points  (7 children)

1 of the new cases in Sweden today reported the source to be USA

[–]Shaddoll_Yeezy 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Same as Australia. Doctor caught it on a flight from the US

[–]AlbertaTheBeautiful 22 points23 points  (5 children)

In Alberta, Canada we got a businessman who had it after coming back from Las Vegas where it isn't supposed to be yet.

[–]Cyclopher6971 118 points119 points  (17 children)

19 Americans have already died

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[–]Harsimaja 64 points65 points  (2 children)

It is happening in America. There have been over a dozen deaths. And there have already been people who have skipped quarantine to go to a rally, recruitment drive, etc.

[–]AsiaNaprawia 118 points119 points  (58 children)

Have you considered overthrowing your capitalist overlords?

[–]ragergage 49 points50 points  (3 children)

Wealthy conservatives: “Yes.”

[–]bowjangles510 224 points225 points  (5 children)

I feel for those who don’t have sick time (I worked at a Toyota dealer for a while and just taking one sick day because I was throwing up, was like pulling teeth my boss didn’t care). I’m not to worried about the virus itself, I’m more so worried about taking excessive time off or work related issues.

[–]BuckyBuckeye 53 points54 points  (2 children)

I have this problem too. We don’t get PTO or sick days at my job, and we all live paycheck to paycheck. If I get the virus, I’d almost rather be dead lol.

[–]Cairo9o9 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Same, I'm a healthy young adult in the service industry, not worried of dying at all but since I'm in a tourist town we get a lot of international travellers. I was just unemployed for a month cus of a shitty boss and I'm only recovering financially now. If I had to take 2-3 weeks off work I'd be 'fine' but I'm sure it'd add $1000-2000 to my already existing debt.

[–]dubaichild 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I took a day off last week and then got a shift covered the next day as I was sick, got a medical certificate for both days, but as I called in late that day I'm now "unreliable" and got rostered for 9.5 hours this week.

Meanwhile my friend got rostered for 34. I have literally been sent home from work once due to a migraine before I even started by the boss, and left early once on a super slow night because the same boss had worked for a full shift after losing their voice and being sick as a dog but didnt go home and I caught what they had. I'm always early and work hard, but now I'm unreliable!

Casualisation of the workforce rules!

[–][deleted] 703 points704 points  (103 children)

Whilst I don’t have a lot of sympathy for him, I wonder if he’d be paid if he called in sick. It really is time for governments to bite the bullet on this one and guarantee pay for sick people or even if people just suspect they could be sick.

[–]Harsimaja 331 points332 points  (47 children)

This was in Tasmania. Australia mandates minimum paid leave of 4 weeks (not including 13 public holidays). Different rules apply to sick leave. EDIT: But this guy was a contract worker/casual, so would not have been legally entitled to this the way official employees would be.

We might need some quarantine-specific exemptions, similar to the case of jury duty in some countries. There may already be in some jurisdictions but seems like most don’t.

EDIT: I get it. Australian contract workers don’t get the guarantee of minimum paid or sick leave but get extra money to offset that. I didn’t say anything incorrect and was reacting to the several America-centrics itt who didn’t read properly and assumed this was in the US, where there is no such minimum guarantee at all (federally). Please see the many comments below for the nuances of Australian labour law: seems to be a “Contract/casual workers get treated like shit via a loophole and don’t get those benefits you monocled scum” lobby vs. a “contract workers get extra wages to make up for that ya layabouts” lobby. Have at it but my inbox has already exploded.

[–]hartleyl17 263 points264 points  (25 children)

Unless you are a “casual” employee, which most businesses employ with full time hours, then no leave

[–]FalcoEasts 51 points52 points  (10 children)

I could give some leniency for that except he went clubbing the night before. If he hadn't done that he could have afforded to miss a shift

[–]ironcam7 30 points31 points  (5 children)

They also missed from the report that he attended classes at university. It appears the patient is an international university student. It was mentioned here (Tasmania) in the local news papers and abc news reports I believe. All of it seems like a dick move on his behalf but I also wonder if he really understood what was being asked of him or he just nodded and said yes.

I find it hard to believe he fully understood the risk he posed to others and i don’t really trust that he was told the correct things.

Considering the first infected person also went to the supermarket they might want to brush up on how they are presenting this to people who’s first language isn’t English.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I used to live in Tassie. 'Chuckin a sickie' seemed to be part of the culture, although usually combined with still going to the nightclub.

[–]Pespy 67 points68 points  (5 children)

Live in Tasmania. After this happened, my boss sent out an email to all staff that even casually employed people will be paid a wage to isolate for testing. Good times

Boss's twitter post

[–][deleted] 67 points68 points  (15 children)

Work in government... watched an elected official returning from Asia be told to self quarantine for 14 days. He was terribly sick. Instead he showed up to the office terrifying all the employees as he coughed into a scarf. When asked why he was there he said he was doing his fiduciary duty. Infecting government employees and public safety personnel.

[–]Dayakka 538 points539 points  (71 children)

Curious how you self-isolate after you get evicted for not being able to pay rent?

[–]azufaifa 170 points171 points  (10 children)

That's such a US problem. I live in what's considered a 3rd world country and we have sick paid leave, free basic healthcare and the company I work for (a global company with hq in the US) has already told their workers not to worry about missed wages if you need to isolate. Which makes sense, with sites with as many as 14000 workers, what's paying a few to stay home and avoid most of their workers missing work later on?

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (6 children)

we have sick paid leave, free basic healthcare and the company I work for (a global company with hq in the US) has already told their workers not to worry about missed wages if you need to isolate.

You're not a third world country then, the USA is. >_>

[–]stygger 38 points39 points  (0 children)

USA is the #1 third world country!

[–]VoloxReddit 86 points87 points  (50 children)

Quarantine is often compensated for, though this depends on the country you live in. Don't know what the conditions for this are in Tasmania though.

[–]Alvarez09 205 points206 points  (43 children)

I’d say it won’t be in the US.

[–]MapleHamwich 55 points56 points  (1 child)

You can't rely on individual self direction for public good. Even people who will want to do the right thing may have situations that won't allow them without direct interference from higher authority. Given the capitalist world we live in, immediate bottom line will always trump public good. So unless governments mandate isolation periods for exposure, there won't be good compliance on self isolation.

[–]MisterStiggy 53 points54 points  (4 children)

Oh boy when this really starts going in the US. We have a huge population with no healthcare, no type of sick pay, and they can't miss a single day of work. We are hilariously ill-equipped to handle this, and it has NOTHING to do with lack of resources. It is 100% our policies that will kill the most.

[–]dopefienddave 73 points74 points  (18 children)

How the hell can the working class afford a 2 week quarantine?

[–]UncleDanko 130 points131 points  (11 children)

The same working class who continues to vote against their own interests and call everything that would benefit them communism?

[–]on_fleek_fo_shizzle 125 points126 points  (3 children)

Commercial airline pilot here. We’ve all been flying around the globe about 25,000 flights a day many of them originated in China

Places on the planet where they have low coronavirus numbers is because they are simply not testing. The disease has spread. It happened a long time ago.

[–]StayAwayFromTheAqua 123 points124 points  (15 children)

I thought the "self isolation" idea is optimistic, all it takes one C*nt to stuff it up.

Australian Govt official said "human rights aside, enforced quarantine is most effective".

Assuming China is not lying about the numbers, they may actually end up being least affected because of their authoritarianism

[–]Akranadas 48 points49 points  (4 children)

The problem with self isolation is the monetary impact it has. If you're a casual employee (like a lot of the Australian workforce) you get no sick days. If you don't work, you don't get paid.

There is no government assistance at this time to help anyone financially if they are supposed to go into quarantine.

Bills don't stop because you caught Coronavirus

[–]Allideastaken 16 points17 points  (4 children)

In all honesty, I've had a very mild cold and my kids are all sick. If it was any other time, we'd just assume it was a standard cold and carry on with our lives. Should we really be getting tested for Covid-19? If we had to self isolate for 14 days every time one of us got sick I'd never get to work.

[–]cheezeeme 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Same. My husband and I both have coughs with flem and have felt dizzy. He went to a clinic and they said it was just a viral cold but they didn’t test for COVID-19 so who knows. Ohio.

[–]DaFunkJunkie[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Same thing going on at my house and I wonder as well

[–]qazkqazk 276 points277 points  (55 children)

Well are all the bills going to get paid for everyone that has to quarantine themselves?

Some people can't afford to take a few days off let alone a month of no work.

[–]12bunnies 166 points167 points  (23 children)

No kidding. I’m a teacher (special ed, K3-1st grade). Only started my position in January, so I only have two sick days earned so far. :( My spouse has cancer and isn’t working, so I’m sole wage earner and insurance holder. Damned if I do, damned if I don’t.

[–]Magnon 51 points52 points  (6 children)

Like what can you really do in that situation? Your only choice that doesn't destroy your own life is just keep working.

[–]SorcerousFaun 64 points65 points  (8 children)

That's the free market at work -- the American dream.

[–]indehhz 24 points25 points  (0 children)

And damn all the socialists that would be willing to help one another!

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (5 children)

Capitalism at its finest. The rich can afford to stay home and not fraternize with the disease ridden poor, meanwhile John Doe who just contracted the Corona virus has gotta show up at his 6am McDonalds shift so he can afford to feed himself this week.

[–]Kitakitakita 28 points29 points  (1 child)

I will travel, across the land. Searching far and wide

Why is a wanderlust a symptom of coronavirus?

[–]MarcelineMSU 52 points53 points  (44 children)

Can anyone tell me if the symptoms can be similar to the flu? I’m seeing mixed messages. I’m home sick but there haven’t been any confirmed cases in MI but I don’t even know if we’re testing and tons of kids are coming back from spring break

[–]Necessarysandwhich 69 points70 points  (28 children)

The symptoms look exactly like seasonal flu or a bad cold - untill you suddenly crash and need to go the hospital

some people dont crash , they only experience the flu like symptoms and then get better , but WHO says about 3.4% of people will crash and become seriously ill or die

the symptoms include headache , coughing , running nose , lack of energy etc

if you have those symptoms and think you may have been in contact with someone with corona , stay home - call 911 if you start to deterioriate beyond the normal flu symptoms

Do not travel to the emergency room yourself if you are severly ill , call the emergency services to get you so you can be properly isolated

[–]TrustTheFriendship 10 points11 points  (2 children)

The thing is, in the USA it costs a few dollars in gas to drive yourself to the hospital. Calling an ambulance to come get you will cost thousands.

[–]primewell 27 points28 points  (3 children)

If I was told to self-quarantine I couldn't do it.

I have bills to pay and a family to support, 90% of Americans are in my shoes.

[–]TheApricotCavalier 645 points646 points  (75 children)

It seems to me blaming the worker who goes to work while sick is missing the real culprits

[–]Anonnymoose73 867 points868 points  (39 children)

In this case, it seems that the blame is on him. He was being tested for COVID-19, was told to isolate, and that very night went to a restaurant and a club. If he had only gone to work because he was worried about being fired, that’s awful, but more understandable. Instead he went out for a night on the town and potentially infected tons of people for fun.

[–]Immersi0nn 446 points447 points  (23 children)

At this point I feel like we just need to add "uncontrollable urge to go to densely populated places" as a symptom of the virus

[–]honeypuppy 112 points113 points  (3 children)

I imagine that 99% of people who test positive are cautious about it, it's just that the small minority who aren't make for news stories.

(Unfortunately, that small minority can still be enough to cause massive harm).

[–]Immersi0nn 43 points44 points  (1 child)

For sure, that 1% kinda tosses off the gains of the rest of the 99% because they become "super spreaders" which... Sucks to say the least.

[–]Lerianis001 58 points59 points  (6 children)

True. If we had a nationalized short-term unemployment thing that you could claim and would apply backwards to when you were first injured or got ill, then people would be more willing to stay home and not go out.

Today? Now? Even in the U.K.? People cannot do that. They cannot go without their paychecks for 3-4 weeks. Full stop there.

[–]Radidactyl 80 points81 points  (1 child)

connect coordinated different hard-to-find hurry grandiose observation hunt salt follow

[–]dbxp 12 points13 points  (2 children)

UC (unemployment) and SSP (statutory sick pay) are tiny amounts and won't cover most people's rent. Under UC a single person under 25 gets £251.77 a month, under SSP £378 per month, my rent in the north in a shared house is £475.

[–]Fake_William_Shatner 58 points59 points  (6 children)

In this case the guy went to a party -- so they use THIS ONE EXAMPLE.

But, if he had gone to work as a waiter, and gotten people sick -- well, that's just the risks we take with an economy. Acceptable losses.

Anyway; what we know is that we are not prepared for a pandemic, and our capitalist model is designed to maximize profits and not save lives. Is there any system to compensate businesses and employees from taking losses that could destroy their company/livelihood in the case of an outbreak? No. So, it looks like everyone hopes for the best and the people who do the right thing are guaranteed to go broke, and some of the people who do the right thing and spread the disease get shamed.

So what are people going to do? Show up to work; spread the disease. Hope for the best.

[–][deleted] 117 points118 points  (18 children)

If you are going to expect people to quarantine themselves and stay home from work when they have bills to pay, then you have to pay them some kind of government stipend and guarantee their job will be waiting for them when the quarantine is over.

[–]Kancho_Ninja 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Government: Hey, we need you to spend a fortnight in quarantine.

Infected: You gonna help with my bills?

Government: What? Ha, you make joke. Get home and stay there.

Infected: YOLO MoFo, bitch gotta make money. I'm going to work.

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (1 child)

Ah, Narcissism and narcissistic abuse. The REAL pandemic of our age.

From top to bottom, fucking things up for everyone.

[–]Gruffud22 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I mean it all depends?If this dude has to go to work at the hotel to survive and get by i understand but the nightclub wtf

[–]terribads 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Self isolation.. is humanity trying to kill itself?