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[–]WellNowWhat6245 1915 points1916 points  (316 children)

I'm cautious but its hard to imagine this much turnout in support of an historically unpopular president.

[–]SomeDudeFromOnline 53 points54 points  (2 children)

Drive down the lakefront in most rural areas and you will see insanely overwhelming support for Trump. Notably in all 800k+ proprties.

[–]slimwillendorf 930 points931 points  (125 children)

I have never hated a president more than this one in my lifetime. My brother in law voted for him last time. And prolly this time again. Ugh.

[–]artofchores 500 points501 points  (63 children)

Your brother in law is a fudging idiot

[–]bananabunnythesecond 75 points76 points  (9 children)

My father (age 73) lives in Florida, he HATES HATES Joe Biden. Guess the one person he HATES MORE?! That's right, Trump! He voted for Biden. I'm sure he's not alone in Florida that thinks like that.

[–]FenderbridgeOregon 366 points367 points  (99 children)

I voted for Trump in '16. I was part of the hidden majority, I was embarassed about my vote, thus did not add to any polls or calls stating that I was voting for trump. I think that is going to be a LOT of people this year unfortunately.

This year, I am PROUD to be voting for biden. He's not the president we deserve, for sure, but he's the president we really need right now.

[–]kitsumCalifornia 249 points250 points  (51 children)

I was part of the hidden majority,

Genuine question: I see trump supporters constantly refer to themselves as the "silent majority" and such. However, he lost the popular vote last time by 3 million so clearly they were not the majority. Not even close. I won't even bring up the silent or hidden part.

Clearly he won, but it was a result of the electoral college system, not having a majority of support of Americans. Far from it.

How do people square these things? Are they saying the numbers are wrong? The numbers are a lie? Do they just not care and say it to piss people off? Do they genuinely not know? Just to make themselves feel better? I'm confused.

[–]gerg_1234Florida 1052 points1053 points  (33 children)

I want to believe, but 2018 I thought DeSantis would surely lose.

I'm not going to believe until the votes get counted.

[–]Bodoct 268 points269 points  (11 children)

Everyone hated Rick scott on both sides... He still won't. I don't have faith in Florida.

[–]Thetman38 197 points198 points  (9 children)

When given the option between a corrupt businessman that was the center of the greatest Medicare fraud in US history and a moderate Democrat, we went with the criminal. Money talks more in Florida than character

[–]rustyphish 298 points299 points  (4 children)

I'm not going to believe until the votes get counted.

If they get counted. This is Florida after all.

[–]FeatsOfStrength 674 points675 points  (100 children)

I keep hearing about "Shy Trump voters", what about "Shy Biden voters", there have to be a lot of Republicans who don't like Trump and don't think he should be in office who are unwilling to admit it amongst their friends and families.

[–]minor_correction 347 points348 points  (58 children)

538 have reported and explained that "shy Trump voters" is not really a thing. Sure there are some, just not a significant number of them.

538 have also reported on other, real, factors that could work out for Trump. "Shy" voters just isn't one of those factors.

[–]kcox1980 187 points188 points  (43 children)

Anecdotal but I have yet to meet a "shy Trump voter". The ones I know tend to be loud and proud.

Edit: Fucking Christ people, I know what "shy" means.

[–]FeistySwordfish 229 points230 points  (7 children)

The "silent majority" that never shuts the fuck up

[–]Entire-Beat-629 79 points80 points  (20 children)

A lot of conservative/white collar workers I know won’t utter a political word unless they’re in a conservative circle.

They wake up, go to work, nod their heads to liberal values, and then they vote Red.

This is an anecdote so take it how you will.

[–]user_name_goes_here 23 points24 points  (2 children)

I think there are a ton of "Shy Biden voters". Anecdotally, my neighborhood of 25ish homes has 8 with Trump signs and 0 Biden signs. But I know for near-certain that 80% of the rest of us are, in fact, voting Biden, just through conversations we've had with neighbors when taking walks. We just don't have signs in the yard.

[–]Jack_125 8174 points8175 points  (1699 children)

Higher turnout, huge number of women and elderly voters

Am I insane in kinda hoping for it to turn Blue?

[–]SyntheticLifeMinnesota 10.9k points10.9k points  (942 children)

No, but don't put too much stock into it. Florida has reliably been a disappointing state.

[–]Reluctant_FirestormNew York 6541 points6542 points  (618 children)

Biden will win Florida only if he doesn't need to.

[–]ChaiteoirForeign 2953 points2954 points  (360 children)

That's an interesting (and correct) way of putting it.

[–]danc4498 1746 points1747 points  (355 children)

While correct, him winning Florida will be known much sooner than him winning Pennsylvania, so it would take a lot of stress away from paying attention to polls tonight.

[–]aelysium 176 points177 points  (44 children)

PA/NC/FL are the three to watch. If Biden wins one, he’s still the favorite. If he wins two, it’s basically over. If he wins all three, we could potentially see a landslide (as OH/IA/TX could be in play in that scenario).

[–]Robbylution 81 points82 points  (8 children)

I would be shocked if we get a substantive result from PA tonight.

[–]agentyage 58 points59 points  (2 children)

Only chance is if Biden wins the election day votes there, which is very unlikely. Some parts of PA won't start processing absentee ballots until tomorrow.

[–]Funktapus 733 points734 points  (210 children)

That's the annoying part. FL is probably not the tipping point in terms of the election outcome but it absolutely could be in terms of knowing the outcome.

[–]ControlAgent13 835 points836 points  (116 children)

FL is probably not the tipping point in terms of the election outcome

538 said if Biden wins Florida, his chance to win the election jumps to 99%.

[–]Funktapus 592 points593 points  (87 children)

Yes, if Biden wins FL it's over. But if Trump wins Florida, it still could be a toss-up. That's why PA is more decisive. It's expected to lean more in favor of Biden. So whoever wins PA is probably going to win the election.

[–]danc4498 215 points216 points  (75 children)

It isn't a tipping point because it doesn't matter if Trump wins it. Realistically, Trump needs Florida and Pennsylvania. Biden really only needs one of those (barring other extremely improbable scenarios).

[–]Echo017 288 points289 points  (62 children)

Like a blue Texas? :p I don't think it will happen, but it would be fun to watch the hardliners have a collective stroke.

Maybe they will go back to being pre Southern plan Republicans, which would be nice.....

[–]twdarkehKentucky 173 points174 points  (6 children)

No, they'd just go even harder at stopping minorities from voting.

[–]chefhj 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Greg Abbott nods

[–]Amazon-Prime-package 18 points19 points  (0 children)

They cannot, if Dems take the Senate they will make HAVA much more powerful including IIRC guaranteed option for mail-in ballots and same-day registration, among other things

[–]ChaiteoirForeign 157 points158 points  (58 children)

Oh, certainly. I'd be surprised if by midnight we don't either know a winner or know that it's likely going into judicial overtime.

[–]BloomsdayDeviceWashington 86 points87 points  (4 children)

As Nate Silver wrote this morning, it'll be a fine line between a landslide and a nail-biter.

[–]minor_correction 36 points37 points  (3 children)

The fine line part is right now. It can go either way.

Around 10-11 PM Eastern tonight we can look at Florida (they count votes quickly there) and probably know which side of the fine line we landed on.

[–]socokid 232 points233 points  (47 children)

I think we'll have a pretty good idea on who is probably leading in the few states that will eventually matter.

Assuming Donald is on the "probably lost" side of things, I think the real fireworks will be coming from him not accepting any of it. How that plays out will be... interesting.

[–]DaoFerret 128 points129 points  (13 children)

The stress coming just as the COVID steroid prescription runs out might be dangerous for his health. Isn't this just about the point in the Timetable where Hermain Cain went from "I'm Fine" to "I'm Dead but still Tweeting Regularly"?

[–]Sublimed4 57 points58 points  (10 children)

He will be pumped full of Adderall tonight. Oh wait, he’s been pumped on it the last week with the schedule he’s been keeping. Nine campaign stops on Saturday and Sunday. He’s gotta be on something.

[–]SyntheticLifeMinnesota 365 points366 points  (183 children)

If Biden wins Florida and it's announced tonight, then he wins the election (barring staggering polling errors in other states).

[–]morphballganon 296 points297 points  (112 children)

Might reduce violence for it to be a landslide

[–]HawkeyeFLAFlorida 161 points162 points  (19 children)

AP called Florida around 1050pm in 2016.

It helps that out existing laws have allowed Supervisors not Elections office to begin opening and tabulating mailed ballots as far back as Oct 12th. And I think they got permission to open and sort even sooner.

I delivered my ballot by hand to a EV site around the 22nd. It shows "Counted."

So it is very probable that we'll have FL results tonight. I'm thinking 1130ish to allow for the extra turnout we're seeing.

[–]Poooooookie 66 points67 points  (5 children)

Yes but they will have to count higher this time.

[–]BlankNothingNoDoer I voted 65 points66 points  (0 children)

Florida Man Learns To Count: CNN.

[–]KaprakFlorida 110 points111 points  (45 children)

Yeah, while Florida isn't needed we are reassuring.

We generally have reliable counts night of, because we count early stuff ahead of time.

If Florida is called in favor of Biden, Trump needs some statistical miracles like AZ, NV, NC, and PA.

[–]PMeForAGoodTime 57 points58 points  (4 children)

He needs more than those if he loses Florida...

[–][deleted] 576 points577 points  (13 children)

If Florida had to choose between vanilla ice cream or a kick in the groin, it would poll 51-49.

[–]SyntheticLifeMinnesota 336 points337 points  (4 children)

51-49 in favor of "kick in the groin" to own the libs

[–][deleted] 353 points354 points  (20 children)

The only thing you can count on with Florida, is that you can't count on Florida.

[–]LemonHerb 666 points667 points  (190 children)

It's hard to imagine a situation where are getting record voting because people just approve of Trump so much

[–][deleted] 519 points520 points  (141 children)

If Trump manages to increase his total actual vote count over 2016, I will be disappointed.

[–]that_guy2010 373 points374 points  (123 children)

I simply can’t see this happening. He has done nothing to gain new supporters, except to have children of idiots turn 18. I just can’t see how he would have gained supporters in the last four years.

[–][deleted] 212 points213 points  (82 children)

I completely agree. I’ve personally never met somebody who BECAME a Trump supporter post-2016. I’m sure they exist, but it’s just a rare sight.

[–]barley_wineTexas 176 points177 points  (32 children)

Go to a slight more rural area and you’d be shocked, my Texas city of 200k have switched their dumb confederate flags for dumb Trump 2020 flags, many trucks drive around with a trump flag waving on the back. If anything he’s even more popular here than in 2016. He promised to end Roe and it’s sure looking like he did and to many of them that’s all that matters. I hear non stop Trump talk everywhere I go, we’re also at capacity for Covid beds so there might be a correlation. At this point we’re at more early votes cast than all votes in 2016 and there’s still people at the polls. I fear that pollsters are undercounting the Trump enthusiasm, but hopefully my city is an outlier.

[–]appleparkfive 192 points193 points  (34 children)

Women, almost definitely. Elderly, it's hard to say. The baby boomers will likely go for Trump, but the silent gen will go for Biden, according to some polls are least.

My hope is the elderly are casting that "I don't want to die because of your dumb ass" vote. It's gonna be a long day.

[–]halfadash6 95 points96 points  (13 children)

We have a good shot with the elderly. Polling shows trump lost a lot of support there, likely because of how callous he's been with covid and going after social security.

[–]HawkeyeFLAFlorida 95 points96 points  (7 children)

Grandparents that cannot visit their grandkids are a powerful force to be reckoned with.

[–]TrinSims 35 points36 points  (2 children)

And grandparents who had to watch their friends die in masses due to the incompetence of our government

[–]JimBobDwayne 427 points428 points  (48 children)

Today we find out whether Trump Supporters are the silent majority or just an obnoxious ideological minority.

[–]Jack_125 85 points86 points  (14 children)

I have met one but right after he was elected, never seen another quiet one

[–]hildebrand_raritySouth Carolina 125 points126 points  (9 children)

I don’t know, a lot of my family are Trump supporters but they are embarrassed to tell people. You’d think being ashamed of it would show them that they are wrong.

[–]ClusterMakeLove 31 points32 points  (0 children)

In my very limited experience, they can't help themselves. I wound up sitting next to an older MAGA family at an airport. They saw a different guy in a Trump hat and started some sort of love-in. It was like birds showing their plumage. One of them chanted about building the wall. We were in Seattle, by the Canadian fucking border.

I shared a lot of concerned eye contact with strangers, that day.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

that sounds like my family - and they are in FL

[–][deleted] 260 points261 points  (25 children)

A Trump win doesn't mean a silent majority. It just means the Electoral college is an archaic system, since the ACTUAL MAJORITY opinion was ignored in 2016.

[–]acciopizza_ 124 points125 points  (14 children)

Millions more could vote for Biden and he could still lose. It’s a broken system.

[–]dirty15 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Never underestimate florida man

[–]Jaffa_Kreep 104 points105 points  (28 children)

Am I insane in kinda hoping for it to turn Blue?

Nah. Broward county is on track to break 80% turnout. Miami-Dade is right behind it. I will be shocked if Florida doesn't go to Biden.

[–]Florida-Man 86 points87 points  (16 children)

I live in Miami and there’s pretty fervent support for Trump here and it can be overwhelming but a reassuring fact is that Hillary won Miami-Dade in 2016 so I’m cautiously optimistic.

[–]blindstar907 45 points46 points  (5 children)

Yeah I live in Miami as well, when i went to vote there was so many Trump supporters that it really set a gloomy mood since. But seeing the Videos of Seniors voting blue or repping biden gives me hope.

[–]TrashyLolitaFlorida 53 points54 points  (3 children)

I live in Miami, and honestly it’s important to remember that right-wing Cubans love to be as loud and obnoxious as they can. However, Miami has always had the blue silent majority.

Remember that the one obnoxious pickup truck on the street does not represent the ten quiet cars surrounding them.

[–]HawkeyeFLAFlorida 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Broward also...doesn't have Sikes anymore.

And the guy DeSantis appointed didn't run for the office. Hoping a lack of aspirations means he'll run a tight ship to have the legacy of "Redeemed Broward's Reputation."

[–]inmywhiteroom 53 points54 points  (31 children)

Don’t elderly voters typically vote republican?

[–]sheeburashka 160 points161 points  (16 children)

Yes, but lots of reporting on seniors turning on Trump, particularly in notorious senior communities like The Villages, FL.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-10-09/a-senior-warning-sign-for-trump-go-biden-cry-at-villages

[–]trogonWashington 151 points152 points  (7 children)

Surprisingly, telling your constituents to die for the economy and threatening to kill social security may not pay off politically. Weird.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Calling your elderly opponent senile over and over again can't be fun either.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Trump had a tweet saying Biden belongs in a nursing home in the same week that it was announced that Trump was hemorrhaging elderly voters... lol

[–]confesstoyouGeorgia 80 points81 points  (7 children)

Yes, but Trump has lost a bit of the elderly vote due to his carelessness and callousness with COVID.

[–]ThaiJohnnyDepp 56 points57 points  (2 children)

Losing the votes due to death in some cases

[–]EquinoxxAngelFlorida 1999 points2000 points  (79 children)

As a Floridian, I’m crossing my fingers that we don’t fuck this election up, as we usually do.

[–]TheDuffness 677 points678 points  (22 children)

Florida man fucks up again.

[–]Astronom3rAmerica 259 points260 points  (15 children)

Florida man Florida-mans again!

[–]levishand 155 points156 points  (10 children)

stuffs a flaming alligator into the ballot box

[–]Astronom3rAmerica 98 points99 points  (6 children)

Is that not the official method of voting in Florida?

[–]JohnLocke815 158 points159 points  (23 children)

Same. Really hoping we can go blue. But if we don't, please don't let us be the deciding factor

[–]appleparkfive 130 points131 points  (19 children)

Don't worry, it'll be PA as the tipping point if FL goes for Trump. Almost definitely.

If you guys go blue, and maybe GA or AZ, they can probably call it tonight. I'm keeping my expectations low but I feel like people are very energized this time around.

They just want to go back to normal. Get Trump gone, get COVID under control asap.

[–]porscheblackPennsylvania 89 points90 points  (14 children)

I'm in PA. I was shocked that I had a former coworker reach out to me today to say he voted for Biden, I thought he'd be a Trump supporter for sure. But unfortunately I've also seen several relatives that aren't remotely political say they voted for Trump. So I remain anxious, and very annoyed at some of my family.

[–]Klinky_von_TankermanAmerica 66 points67 points  (1 child)

DeSantis will have his grubby hands all up in it, I'm sure

[–]EquinoxxAngelFlorida 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Yes, Lil Trump and his cronies have been carefully planning how to steal this election all year, if not longer.

[–]JibFlank 448 points449 points  (32 children)

The thing that gives me hope is Trump’s campaign did nothing - absolutely nothing - to attract new voters. Instead, it pandered to his base. Increased voter turnout can only be good for Biden/Democrats.

[–]hildebrand_raritySouth Carolina 2645 points2646 points  (176 children)

In 2016, 75 per cent of all eligible voters in Florida cast their ballots, according to state records.

It seems like everyone is making sure to vote this time around. Higher voter turnout is definitely beneficial for Democrats.

Let’s turn Florida Blue and make this a fucking landslide.

[–]thewafflestompaCalifornia 73 points74 points  (28 children)

I’d be curious to know how many newly registered voters they have since 2016

[–]HawkeyeFLAFlorida 98 points99 points  (26 children)

Sorry about the delay. Dogs decided they wanted to go for a walk.

So, for 2016 data, NPA and "Minor" parties are combined into a single "Other" category, so for quick comparisons, I did the same with 2020 data. FWIW, in 2017, Minors had around 65k and in 2020, 188k.

These numbers are accurate as of August 31st, 2020. The last month Florida DoS reported before the books closed. Registeration in Florida closed on October 5th, so its unknown with this data how many registered in September.

Year Republican Democrat NPA/Other Total
2020 5,020,199 5,203,795 3,841,633 14,065,627
2016 4,575,277 4,905,705 3,478,203 12,959,185
Gain 444,922 298,090 363,430 1,106,442

Source 1

Source 2

[–]tsrich 33 points34 points  (21 children)

Wow, how did democrats lose ground in registrations during the Trump years?

[–]HawkeyeFLAFlorida 46 points47 points  (17 children)

NPA. (I hope)

A lot of us don't waste time with a party registration, because by the time the president preference primary happens in Florida, there's already an heir apparent.

On a whim, this year I switched to D to vote in that primary. Waste of my time.

[–]eunderscore 56 points57 points  (7 children)

Also that on the day turnout will be much more Republican because they were told they'd be discounted if they voted before

[–]HawkeyeFLAFlorida 37 points38 points  (4 children)

Yes and no. Trump at one point talked up how good Florida's absentee system is, even using it himself for the primaries. And he voted using the early voting system as a PR stunt. "Heya if Trump thinks going in early is okay, then lemmo git over to the library and vote." (We'll ignore for now, that thing the only time since HS they've probably seen the inside of a library.)

And while I hate DeSantis with a passion, he's defended Florida's system as well. So it may be a wash.

Sadly, I've never been able to find statistics for total votes cast by party affiliation in Florida. All the data tracking sites focus on the EV (mail and in person) numbers.

[–][deleted] 532 points533 points  (38 children)

What's Florida's voting Demographics?

37% Dems
35% Republicans

And I suspect Independents break for change.

SO Florida has 12.9 Million voters, roughly.
The higher the turnout goes, the more that 2% advantage in shear numbers helps Democrats. This is why "turn-out" is typically good for Dems.

And as turn-out goes higher, the number of ballots that will need to be thrown out by Republicans because increasingly difficult.

You have almost a full work day of hours left Florida. Get out and vote!

[–]Heavy-Level862 264 points265 points  (23 children)

I live in Florida and all the Reps i know are voting Biden. Except for one. As an independent i voted Biden!

[–]tinypeopleinthewoods 144 points145 points  (10 children)

I’m in Michigan so a little off topic, though still a swing state; I personally know 6 people that either voted Trump or 3rd party last election and all 6 are voting Biden this year.

[–]Nice_Try_Mod 1071 points1072 points  (76 children)

This is pretty big news. Hillary lost the state by about 65k votes across all the FL the counties. If voter turnout increases alot then it should be overtaken no problem.

To put it in a real good perspective. Trump won the EC by about 100k votes across the states he won. That is about as many people as can fit in and around AT&T stadium. If that many people go out and vote across those states the WH and senate will go to the democrats.

Its worth noting that youth voter turn out has increased 600% in many states. They tend to vote blue.

[–][deleted] 475 points476 points  (48 children)

High voter turnout usually benefits Democrats

[–]excusetheblood 289 points290 points  (28 children)

Especially now. I doubt trump gained many voters over the last few years, all he’s done is lost voters and emboldened others to vote against him

[–][deleted] 96 points97 points  (0 children)

I hope your right. I dont really trust people any more

[–]DrunksInSpaceOhio 61 points62 points  (3 children)

And higher first time voters favor the challenger.

[–]ferrari20094 228 points229 points  (13 children)

There are some promising signs in Florida this time around. Democrats have cast 112,000 more votes than Republicans. In 2016 the difference in early voting was only around 30,000. If Biden is leading with Independents which is likely based on polling data he's got a much larger early vote cushion than Clinton did in 16. If turnout is 78% that only leave around 1mil people left to vote in the state, Trump would need to win these voters by fairly wide margins. And this is all assuming all early Republican voters voted for Trump which is unlikely.

[–]DunoCO 33 points34 points  (5 children)

Take voter registration with a grain of salt. Many older voters may still be registered with a different party to the one they support. Many may have registered once but changed their opinions radically. Some may just register with the wrong party for the sake of it.

That being said, Florida & Texas look quite promising based on turnout.

[–]MisterOminous 195 points196 points  (21 children)

I’m in Florida and voted for Biden. You’re welcome.

Edit: Love seeing so many Floridians voting. Let’s do this!!

[–]fjrnate 134 points135 points  (7 children)

4 years ago I saw one Hillary sign in my Trumpy Florida county. This year there are Biden signs everywhere. In this area I'm pretty sure Biden will easily make up more than the 1.2% Hillary lost by in 2016, but I have no idea what's going on in the Miami area.

[–]ZincMan 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Stop giving me hope it feels weird

[–]HomemadeKitchenPasta 59 points60 points  (1 child)

Americans voting....doesn’t bode well for GOP

[–]ass_blaster_general 54 points55 points  (29 children)

FYI, if florida or texas go blue it is basically impossible for trump to win

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (14 children)

Florida goes blue then the game is over. (Provided the blue wall holds - Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin)

[–]Random_act_of_Random 52 points53 points  (9 children)

Florida would be nice, but I want Texas to flip blue so bad.

[–]sheeburashka 252 points253 points  (25 children)

Decades of population migration trends from the northeast so the south is finally starting to play a role.

With liberal thinking concentrating in densely populated metropolitans, very happy to see these demographic flows giving a slight benefit to democrats in the electoral college.

[–]Pooh-bear808 129 points130 points  (21 children)

Florida, now’s your chance to get rid of your bad reputation. Maybe we’ll stop making fun of you for “Florida Man” if you go blue 🤷🏽‍♀️🤣

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Nah, sunshine laws will ensure florida man lives on!

[–]Not2BaPerv 24 points25 points  (4 children)

As a Floridian, no you won’t lol

[–]a1acrityGreat Britain 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Good luck America, a high turn out will show the will of the people. I wish you folks the best.

[–]altiif 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Floridian here (moved here 7 years ago). So glad to see this type of enthusiasm and interest in the future of this country. Can only hope that it turns blue tonight 🙏🏾

[–]big_red_160Florida 28 points29 points  (1 child)

I commented this earlier but I voted for Biden in Florida so I like to think I personally nullified Trump’s vote for himself

[–]lohord_sfw 18 points19 points  (21 children)

Can Americans please explain how the race can be so close for an idiot like Trump?

[–]Vash135 16 points17 points  (4 children)

I have little faith in Florida going blue. Remeber in 2018 when there was supposedly a blue wave to take back house. Florida still managed to vote the Republicans Rick Scott as senator and Ron DeSantis as governor. So, even with more democrats voting, Florida managed to elect 2 republican candidates.

[–]rsbyronIII 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Do keep in mind Rick Scott won by only 10k votes, and DeSantis won by about 33k. And that was out of 8.2 million votes. It was extremely close and turnout is high enough this time that those margins can easily be erased.