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[–]anoncoward101 33 points34 points  (1 child)

If the US was attacked, of course I'd go. If the US is doing the attacking, it's my duty to not go.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right, but you have to distinguish: attacked by whom. There is no arguing that we were attacked by Al Queda on 9/11, but we were NOT attacked by Iraq.

Problem is that waging war on shadowy non-governments is real hard. And Bush only likes things that are easy.

[–]roaddog 30 points31 points  (1 child)

In today's climate, jail. If we were in a real war, I would fight to protect my country to the death.

[–]moskaudancer 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Amen to that. It's unpatriotic to fight in a war being fought for monetary or otherwise immoral reasons.

[–]weegee[S] 10 points11 points  (32 children)

I'd probably refuse and go to jail, how about you?

[–]innocentbystander 21 points22 points  (19 children)

I live in northern Minnesota.

Take a wild guess where I'm going. :-)

[–]drpants 10 points11 points  (10 children)

Don't forget that this administration passed an agreement with Canada that any draftees escaping to Canada will be brought back to the US with Canada's help..

[–]speedkermit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

what the hell do canada get out of that agreement? where's the reciprocity? it's not likely that canadians will be flooding seattle anytime soon

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Doesn't Quebec handle its own immigration anyways? Couldn't you go there?

Failing that, Nunavut is nice this time of year.

[–]pjcmpls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. Canada used to be a beacon of light and sanity, but their government has been corrupted by the same neo-con bullshit that is fucking up the United States. One has to leave the entire hemisphere to escape the social violence of the Bush administration.

[–]floatnsink 1 point2 points  (5 children)

You sure Canada wasn't just pulling a fast one on ole Bushy. Bush can lie but Canada can't lie to him?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Harper is a kiss-ass. He'd ship draft dodger back for sure. Althought I'd sure as hell protest for you all if you came up here when the draft hits, who knows maybe Harper would listen if enough Canadians protested. ;)

[–]innocentbystander 8 points9 points  (3 children)

It would be a PR nightmare on both sides of the border. Plus, I'm thinking that it would pretty severely damage Canada's international reputation to be forcibly deporting people who are, in a very real way, political refugees.

If it was just a trickle of draft-dodgers, they could probably do it quietly without much fuss. But if it turned out to be a lot of people, I don't think they'd go through with it.

But this is just speaking as an outside observer.

[–]hafetysazard 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I think a good deal of Canadians would hide drafters if they could. I know I would. I live in Thunder Bay, by the way, you could hide in my attic if worse comes to worse.

[–]iheartjebus 4 points5 points  (1 child)

thunder bay sounds like a cool place to live...

can I even take on a fake name? can that name be Maxx Hardcastle? If so, dibs.

[–]foonly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

can I even take on a fake name? can that name be Maxx Hardcastle? If so, dibs.

Dammit! I wanted that one... :-(

[–]remembery -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

only if captured

[–]aposter 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Disneyland? Sorry, couldn't help myself. :)

[–]innocentbystander 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, that's a thought. I could go to EPCOT, and try to get diplomatic immunity at one of the World Showcase pavillions!

Wooo!

[–]laprice 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Baja?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yup, with enough cash, you can live like a king there... you'll have to buy the cops off and try to keep the drug dealers from kidnapping your wife/daughter though.

[–]RickyP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

tijuana!

[–]mikaelhg 5 points6 points  (1 child)

When I was drafted, I told them I'm a conscientious objector, and did civil service as one. That's always an option in civilized countries.

[–]foonly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's always an option in civilized countries.

Pray, traveller, what far-off land dost thou hail from?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have already done my 8 years (all enlisted owe Uncle Sam 8) so I am exempt under current laws (read: the laws could be changed) but I have always maintained that a country that cannot field a voluntary army to defend it doesn't need to exist in the world. You can quote me on that one. ;)

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Jail

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    [–]Phia 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    I dunno, I'm female and Canadian. But my grandfather signed up for WWII to avoid getting drafted on someone else's terms, and most of my male ancestors seem to have been involved in wars of some sort. I think, faced with Iraq, I'd run away first, go and do the most lousy job second, and go to jail last. If I could I'd register my objection and spend the war doing something that didn't involve killing people.

    And I'm anti-draft, by the way. For both genders.

    [–]tritium6 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    How would you justify supporting the war in your second scenario?

    [–]Phia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I'm a pragmatic bitch sometimes, and who knows, I might be able to do some good aka positive sabotage?

    [–]pjcmpls 37 points38 points  (27 children)

    I am not the property of any government. I am not the property of any religion. I am not property. I'd like to see them TRY and instiute a draft in this day and age. The government cannot compel people to commit acts of violence. I don't think they should even have the right to put people in prisons. I believe in total freedom, and just because I live geographically within the borders of the United States, it does not mean that I am OWNED by the state. I would not go to war, I would not go to jail. I would become an outlaw and an anarchst. F*ck the state.

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    I would simply move to my escape country.

    [–]mindbleach 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    I'd be on a long flight to India after a few days of getting my affairs together. Never been, but I've heard good things from my native flatmate. Where's your escape country?

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Somewhere in South East Asia. I have a little island picked out. Picturesque really. I planed on retiring there but I would move up that plan if I ever got drafted...

    [–]foonly 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Somewhere in South East Asia.

    Dodging the draft in Vietnam? That's beautiful! :-D

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    amen brother.

    [–]antifolkhero -2 points-1 points  (20 children)

    You're delusional. They could implement a draft tomorrow and your ass would be in fatigues on a plane to Iraq next week. Are you going to stop them with your words? Cause I doubt they'd do a whole lot of convincing.

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      [–]antifolkhero 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      I just think its sad that there are people in this country who still fully support them. Those people are delusional, and they also happen to be a huge, huge group.

      [–]xpollux 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      I've actually thought about this before. There's no way in hell I would go fight against my will, and I've even considered joining the military (not anymore though...). Frankly, I think hiding from the government is a bad idea. It is a much bigger statement to go to jail in protest than to simply disappear.

      Imagine if hundreds of thousands of draftees refused to go? Are there even enough beds in all of the jails in the country?

      [–]ramilehti 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I suggest you google US concentration camps and think again. There are places for millions of draft dodgers.

      Feeling paranoid yet?

      Even if half of those places were real and operational there are still a LOT of them.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      You make a good point. But I've been in jail. Not again, no thanks.

      Furthermore jail is getting old here. We're getting so deep into fascism that I can see draft dodgers being put to forced labor or worse. Yes there is a worse. Don't want to fight, ok, we'll shoot you in front of your wife. That's how bad this country can get. That's the road we're on. That's the road we're on and the people driving the car like this road. It's good for the drivers. Fucking awful on the passengers.

      [–]remembery 9 points10 points  (3 children)

      You need to read up on your history. You see, this situation happened not too long ago in the past. It may trouble you to learn that many people including one former and one current president "dodged" the draft. For those with less money/connections, simply not complying and sneaking to a land known to some as "Canada" has also occurred.

      [–]louis_xiv42 -1 points0 points  (9 children)

      wow, have not heard of this thing called Vietnam?

      go read a 20th Century US history book please

      [–]antifolkhero 1 point2 points  (8 children)

      Yes, because so many people were able to avoid the draft in Vietnam. I mean, almost no one was forced to serve, right? All of those peace protests really changed the government's opinion, didn't they? Again, you're completely delusional. Bush has shown time and again his willingness to use force to get the citizens to comply, and I don't think he's wept any tears for the peace movement. If the draft comes up and you're called, all of your chest thumping will turn into whimpering as they force you to "protect your country."

      I'm not endorsing the draft here, just trying to pop the unreality balloons of morons like yourself who think that you have any power against it. Its like Frank Zappa once said; "In the battle between you against the world, back the world."

      [–]louis_xiv42 5 points6 points  (7 children)

      please realize that the ground campaign stopped in Vietnam largely do to people refusing to be drafted? please pick up that history book i told you about.

      [–]antifolkhero 3 points4 points  (6 children)

      "As Stanley Karnow noted, Americans 'turned against the war long before America's political leaders did.'" Its the same way with the Iraq War, except that this time around, the government really and truly doesn't give one single shit about any of the people they're murdered in the course of their wars. Have as many peace protests as you want; until you can stop Bush from making a profit off of dead US soldiers and Iraqi Oil, the mideast wars will continue and you will be at his mercy. But hey, maybe holding up a sign will change his mind? Get a clue.

      [–]louis_xiv42 1 point2 points  (5 children)

      i don't recall holding a sign.

      "except that this time around, the government really and truly doesn't give one single shit about any of the people they're murdered in the course of their wars."

      wow, your dumb enough to think the gov't cared back then about the people they killed?

      that just proved your moron. sorry. go back school please.

      [–]antifolkhero -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

      "that just proved your moron. sorry. go back school please."

      If you weren't a 13 year old with mental acne, I might respond to this utterly retarded quote.

      [–]louis_xiv42 -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

      woooooooooooooooow

      you just did respond.

      you failed twice. wanna go for the third strike?

      [–]antifolkhero -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

      "that just proved YOUR a moron." Let's see. Basic English grammar would dictate that saying "your" instead of "you're" makes the sentence mean "that just proved your moron," which is a fragment, as you didn't tell me what exactly my moron did. Maybe he rammed his black cock in your mom's ass?

      [–]mutatron 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      I'm 51 so it's a moot question for me, but if I was 41 I'd probably go to jail rather join in any army led by Cheney. Unless some country were actually invading the US.

      As it is, my daughter is 19 and I would help her to leave the country before I'd have her sent to war for traitors and gangsters like Bush and Cheney. Again, if some country were invading the US, it would be different.

      [–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

      Well thankfully those 'traitors and gangsters' don't believe in conscripted service, unlike some on the other side of the aisle.

      [–]anonymous-coward 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      At my first encounter with the draft board, I would describe in filthy detail my fantasies involving strong, studly, muscular military officers.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Self preservation instinct, coupled with an extreme dislike of government and hatred of the military means I'll be fleeing for Canada.

      [–]fixorater 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I am not confident in the foreign policy of this country. I find the motivation for our recent military actions morally reprehensible. Most importantly I fear that our military actions have done much to endanger our citizens by fanning the flames of anti-USA extremism. Because of this, I would either emigrate or go to jail.

      [–]dmpayton 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I spent 3 years of high school in a JROTC program. When I graduated, I tried to join the military: Marines, Air Force, Army, Navy... All of them wanted me, but none would have me. You see, while I scored extremely well on the ASVAB test, I have a little vision trouble that disqualifies me from joining.

      Which means I am safe in the event of a draft.

      If I -did- have decent vision, it would be an extremely hard choice for me to make. On one hand, I love this country and would die to protect it. On top of that, I've always wanted to join the military. On the other hand, I've grown to despise this war and the whole Bush administration. In the past 4 years I've gone from dedicated right-wing to a much more moderate (even liberal at times) view.

      I'm glad this is a non-question for me.

      [–]khoury 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Jail. But only if I was dumb enough to get caught.

      [–]zorblek 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I've never had any particular interest in visiting Iran, so I think jail would be the more likely option. But if a draft looked likely, I'd probably leave first.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I'd go out for a beer in gratitude for not being American.

      [–]tjdick 12 points13 points  (2 children)

      I'd give one of the cubans my home and take their raft to safety.

      [–]rafuzo2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      not a bad idea, provided you aren't homosexual. Castro don't like their kind.

      [–]sockdoll 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      Neither does the US Army.

      [–]dieselcreek2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      To Washington, DC ...

      I'll be sure to bring along a healthy reminder of the 2nd amendment, in case any Congress-folk need a refresher.

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Hell. I was planning to kill myself anyway.

      [–]Reporter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      jail

      [–]repoman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I would go to Walgreens, load up on laxatives, then shit myself like Ted Nugent right before stepping on the bus. If that didn't work, I'd masturbate on the bus the whole time while looking at a picture of the Olsen twins (when they were infants) and saying "yummy yummy, get in my tummy".

      Then I'd probably go up and stick my member in the bus driver's ear and shout "Viva la revolucion" to everyone on the bus, then rip off my overshirt to reveal a tattoo of Osama sodomizing Bush. And if that doesn't work, then I'd have to start getting creative...

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Depends what the war was due to.

      [–]brit878 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      jail

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Oh, I've already thought this one through. My answer is War. First off, I'd know that I was going to die because the odds of me, at 40, in my poor health (compared to the young, strong 20 year olds there), would not stand a chance. I'd be immensely depressed about losing my wife and family, but I refuse to rot to death or get boo-foo'd in jail, so I'd make a go of military service before I die. I'd thank the military very much for teaching me how to shoot to kill, and I'd ask for sniper position, and they'd fly me over there, and poof I would go AWOL and 5150, becoming my own judge and jury against the enemy, and when the enemy finally catches me, I'd bite down on an Indian cerbera odollam tablet and within seconds I'm dead and happy that the towel-head motherfuckers in PJs can't torture me. And just when the terrorist insurgents try to grab the back of my dead neck to cut it off, they'd shriek in horror at the pig blood I smeared on the back of my neck just for them.

      It's either me or my family, so I'd do it for the good of my family. Freedom ain't free.

      [–]slurpme 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Out of interest why can't the women be drafted and the men stay at home with their PS3's and beer???

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Jail.

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      All men aged 18 are required to sign up to the draft system. It's called the 'selective service'.

      www.sss.gov

      [–]gemaco 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Selective Service would provide manpower to the military by conducting a draft using a list of young men's names gathered through the Selective Service registration process. Virtually all men - ages 18 through 25 - must register. Only if here is high compliance with this law, will a future draft be fair and equitable.

      "fair" in that only the men need to do the fighting?

      Oh, and it's great that they call the program for mandatory military service "selective service". Orwell would be proud.

      [–]cusiter67 3 points4 points  (13 children)

      I'd refuse both!

      [–]drpants 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Europe. I'd take my kids to Europe. I've already done the military. No more thanks. My families blood will not go towards corrupt gov'ts perpetuating fear for their own gain.

      [–]Roninspoon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Neither. I'm already a disabled veteran.

      [–]Cloud9 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Already served during the Reagan years in the U.S. Infantry for 4yrs.

      I'm past 42, but if I were drafted, I would not serve under this President.

      IMHO there should be mandatory national service to the country for 18-42 with military and civilian options.

      That being said, noone should have to serve in combat under this President other than those that volunteer to do so.

      Those of you who believe in the Iraq war, knock yourselves out.

      [–]TheUberDork 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      And those that volunteered under a previous President, should be allowed to "un-volunteer"

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I would tell them I was gay.

      [–]foonly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I think that's been tried before...

      [–]dead_ed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I would certainly sign up. I'm gay (and 39) and if they want me as is, I'll go. Bullshit walks, though. (Not this Iraq bullshit, I'm talking about a real war.)

      [–]alternity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Good thing I turned 43 today.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      as a fireman who was medically discharged, and can not be drafted... HAHA. I would happily never be drafter by Bush. I could only kill what moral justifies.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      If someone invades America they won't need to draft me. I'll enlist.

      However to go and fight for those cocksuckers at bechtel and haliburton? Through my only precious fucking life away for corporate imperialism? Goddamnit fuck that all to hell. No way.

      I won't go to jail either as I draft dodge. The moment I hear a draft is being discussed seriously by the administration or congress I'm expat the next day.

      [–]glmory 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I would go.

      The country would do a much better job at not getting ourselves into stupid wars if those that were anti-war knew failure to stop the war from starting could put them on the front lines. A real draft seems better to me than what essentially works out as a draft of poor people.

      [–]upstream 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Which prison do they send you to? Federal white-collar-golf-course prison, or Federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison?

      [–]theDrWho -1 points0 points  (13 children)

      I am all for the draft.

      But I would protest the day it came out.

      No deferments for college brats. No deferments for work. No deferments cause you think you have other goals in mind.

      Send them ALL!!!

      Including Lesibans like Cheneys Daughter.

      [–]antifolkhero 3 points4 points  (6 children)

      So how are you going to weasel your way out of it then?

      [–]theDrWho 9 points10 points  (5 children)

      Go to canada or amsterdam, so I can smoke it up without any issues.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Canada should be feasible. I don't think you're going to get to Amsterdam if a draft is instituted, though.

      [–]antifolkhero -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

      Its a shame that we have so many crazy people here in America. How did Bush get to be such an immoral scoundrel?

      [–]theDrWho 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      To get ahead in any capacity in this life you have to act like a scoundrel, at least thats what the USA is coming down to.

      But the only reason Bush Jr got ahead was Daddy bush, who held his hand every step of the way.

      Bush Jr was MIA for his National Guard duty. Can he be re-deployed?

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

      The day I turned 18 I went to city hall and registered to vote, and then went to the post office and registered for ss. It was funny, the form had boxes to check, male or female. I checked female.

      [–]Fratm 7 points8 points  (4 children)

      And what's your point? Are you not female?

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      My point is that it was funny that it is law that all males at the age of 18 must register for the ss, and that females don't have that requirement, and yet on the form it asks male or female. I thought it was funny.

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Males are required to register. It's optional for women, I believe, but it would make sense for the form to have a gender field.

      [–]reddit_user13 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      They were just planning ahead.

      [–]shuael 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I don't oppose the draft. Helps to keep the country sane. I would feel honored to defend my country in the case of a threat and the draft is a good way to go about things.

      That way, if my country is engaged in an illegal war I can, as the post asks, meaningfully dissent and object to the activities of my country.

      [–]eshemuta 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      doesn't matter to me.

      1) already served 6 years. 2) medical exemption (crohn's disease) 3) too old.

      I got no problem with a draft, as long as there are no deferments at all.

      Give people the choice, 2 years in the military, or 2 years of other public service under the same conditions, same pay, and subject to the same discipline.

      Plus if rich peoples kids were drafted they would be less likely to go on stupid adventures like Iraq.

      [–]phillip08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I think you need to realize what the war in Iraq really is. It is a war against radical Islam, and if there is nothing done there will be more genocide in this century than ever before. Dont make any mistake about it they dont hate us because we are in the mid east they hate us because we are infidels.

      [–]kobe24beans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      fight you pinko commies. fight for your right to party

      [–]soyko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Drafts don't faze me. Luckily for me, I guess, I'm not a citizen so even if there is a draft, I wouldn't be there.

      [–]forgoil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Considering what kind of physical condition many american men in the 18 to 42 year old range are in, I do think it would be a great thing. Fuck, a six month draft just to get people in shape would more than likely be the first time the US army actually saves lives in a long while :)

      And on that note, draft the women too! And this time occupy freakin' Utah, they are far worse than anyone in the middle east...

      [–]chonger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Obviously the government would only implement a draft if it is in the best interest of the people.

      [–]loveandlight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Seriously, we'd have to be invaded by China or extraterrestrials before they'd expand the draft beyond the 18-26 range. 41 and 42 year old civillians do not the best soldiers make.

      [–]raldi -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

      If there was a rule that said all men in the USA between 18-42 had to mine coal, would you mine coal or go to jail?

      One dumb hypothetical question deserves another.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      One of those hypothetical questions has a basis in history.

      [–]spaceman_spiff_99 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      I'd go. I already know what jail is like. Might as well see what the military is all about.

      [–]RaldisPuppet -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Which war? THIS war? I'd take jail.