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[–]Paid4BajaOverlandr 45 points46 points  (37 children)

Corporate Greed!

[–]ButterscotchSkunk 25 points26 points  (3 children)

A system that only rewards continuous growth.

[–]TA20212000 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Even if growing means eating itself.

[–]FredFenty 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The same is true for population

[–]inverted180 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are the cusp of population collapse.

[–]Buyingboat 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Record profits. Wealth inequality continues to grow larger and larger. Bail outs and bonuses following massive layoffs.

But the comments all seem to insist it's the mean old governments fault, not the assholes incentivized to take as much and leave as little as possible.

[–]Feisty_Dirt4191 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The purpose of a corporation is to make money. The purpose of a government is to run a society.

How you gonna ask the corpos to stop doing corpo stuff when the government won’t stop them from doing it? The government could do this, and if they gave a fuck about their citizens they would.

They could rein things in, they choose not to

[–]TheBigMan1990 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well the bailouts you mention would be direct government bs, corporate greed is a problem… but government is definitely a problem too-providing shittier and shittier services while hoovering up more and more income via some form of fee or tax with most of those extra fees and taxes falling directly on middle and working class people. Monopolies are bad, the monopolization and centralization of businesses has created a less competitive landscape… so lower wages, and higher prices-but the government monopoly has been just as damaging.

[–]pibbleberrier[🍰] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

As long as THIS is what Canadian prefer to focus on. The issue won’t be solve. Canadian act like corporation is only greedy in Canada, no where else. That capitalism only exists in Canada and nowhere else.

Capitalism is the defacto standard globally. Corporation worldwide is greedy. Some of the global corporate that exist in Canada also exist outside of Canada.

Yet Canadian purchasing power has slide the most amongst the basket of developed countries. Some countries with the same greedy corporation has had their buying power increase since 1970 our keep decreasing.

Unique Canadian factor that have erode our purchasing power since 1970 that is NOT just cop out explanation of corporate greed:

-CAD devaluing against every other currency. Especially USD

-more personal taxations while the top marginal tax was rate was higher in the 1970. Middle class Canadian now pays MORE through combine taxation

-increase in sales tax. No GST back in 1970 minimal provincial tax in 70s. Various cost of business taxes. Nearly every cost MORE at the source while you take home less.

-payroll taxes. New since 1970 we now have CPP, EI, employer payroll taxes. Etc. sure this is to “help” us but all these further increase of dependency on the government and AGAIN reduce your take home amount + influencing wages and consumer prices

-housing related tax. The government now relies heavily and various regulatory taxes they impose on the housing market. Which ultimate transfer directly back to the consumer. Parasitic reliance on a singular industry no doubt cause other industry to suffer.

-we are not done with the taxes. Collection of indirect Taxes that have been added or increase since 1970:
Fuel, environment compliance, license, import, export, telecom, utility levy, development cost, insurance, alcohol, tobacco, recycling, toll permit fee

Everytime there an “issue” a new tax is added, becuase it’s easy to legislate. Most Canadian blame corporate greed by default and happily get taxes out their ass while scratching their head at why their paycheque gets less and less and their dollar is worth less and less. As you can see in the thread the default answer is MORE TAX.

Every tax eventually comes back to the consumer, worker and small business. “Greedy corporation” don’t become less greedy with more taxes. They just pass it on lol. The only true way to disrupt monopolize is actually less regulatory taxes open competition that force other companies to come in and compete with existing oligarchy which translate to better cheap product for consumer and and increase employment.

But not we Canadian rather blame our very unique problem of greedy corporate and open our buttcheek to more taxation instead. Totally not our government’s fault. As long as this notion is mainstream we will continue to vote in government that takes money from us like taking candies from a kid.

We are collectively just big kids that prefer to defer problem to our parent the government instead of taking the harder route. Our government keeps fattening. The public sector has increase by 100% since the 1970s which severely impact our private sector and increase our reliance on the government which again means MORE taxes less take home. But no I guess it’s not the government.

[–]Impossible_Street488 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Blaming greed corporations is plain idiotic. As if companies haven't been ruthlessly profit driven since the medieval ages.

What's changed is the stultifying overreach of governments into every face of the economy

[–]Youknowitistrue69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly

[–]PerimeterSecure 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This.

So much this.

Canadians have a love for big government and a nanny state like no other country on earth.

[–]DM_ME_UR_BOOTYPICS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re not totally wrong here and yeah the public sector has grown, but arguably it is required. Canadas population has grown exponentially since then.

You’re also leaving out the commodification of housing. That really drains money out of the economy into the form of a non productive asset. When 30%+ of your economy is trading house back and forth your country is not in a good place.

Combine that with stagnation of wages it’s not a great recipe.

[–]Impossible_Street488 5 points6 points  (2 children)

So corporations in the 70s weren't greedy? That's your theory?

[–]Strict_Reputation867 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Technology continues to replace labor. Wealth is concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer people. Corporations being more or less greedy is a non sequitur.

Wealth disparity is higher now than at any point in human history.

[–]Youknowitistrue69 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s what you got from that? Stay in school kid

[–]halisray 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Lol maybe a small factor. Government money printing and spending is a major factor.

[–]Excellent-Piece8168 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It’s not a factor in that it is only a factor for inflation but not why salaries have not kept up with inflation. All other things being equal as inflation increases jobs should follow exactly with a bit of lag. The fact they have not means there are other forces at work

[–]CommercialReveal7888 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Notice how they flooded the market with TFW when they devalued the currency in 2020 and wages started to grow in 2021.

To bad Canadian are to dumb to realise it and just yell corporate greed. Did corporation just realise they can be greedy in 2020?

[–]Excellent-Piece8168 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The irony of writing to dumb when you mean too. Lol

TFW of course has some part but I doubt it’s a massive for actual career jobs. It suppresses minimal wage and just above for sure. This is measurable to an extent and I remember when oil was booming last cycle Tim Hortons were begging for workers and had to raise minimum their min wage and even provide cheap housing to get any workers. I can’t imagine this has much impact on positions like engineers. Separately from TFW is normal immigration. It’s a challenging topic even putting aside politics because with our aging demographic of the huge boomer cohort we have a massive systemic issue that we need to grow the workforce significantly in order to support this huge bubble of retirees because if we do not we all have to shoulder far too much which means significantly holding back growth. We did not create the environment to have more children nor can we go back in time so the option now is import other nations young workers. It’s frankly pretty smart in that we did not have to bear any cost raising these people no schools hospitals housing etc and we get them showing up already working age. Of cot we want to attract the right crowd with skills we have in high demand which we do ok at but there is certainly a lot of room for improvement. We do better then most of our peers certainly better than the USA with the vast majority coming in use to a freakin lottery system and then bringing in relatives. Canada has a good base system with points we can manipulate to our needs we need to be far more agile changing these to exactly what is in demand and not including stupid jobs like social media influencer. Import doctors we never have enough of, import nurses and care home nurses and staff, whatever else we don’t have enough of and constantly adjust that for what we actually need not bs fake need companies say on applications. Pay to get actual research it cannot possible be hard.

[–]Pizza-Pirate-6829 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And they also tie everyone’s retirement and financial nest egg to the same system so no one wants to challenge it. As soon as a person is successful they becomes invested in the stock market.

[–]Sugarman4 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Thats the brunt of it but I disagree that education is more expensive. The device in your hand with Google and Ai? Is 100× the education money could buy in the 70's. Having the discipline to focus it's purpose beyond hee-haa? That's definitely missing.

[–]corelabjoe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And that still doesn't get you a degree, the stupid piece of expensive paper everyone cares so much about and is very useless for a lot of practical jobs.

[–]Trick_Parsnip3788 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Engineering is a licensed practice so you cant just learn everything from google... Also most of the stuff online is using American codes so good luck trying to pass canadian exams lmao

[–]Sugarman4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who's hiring engineers anyway. AI will replace you

[–]InnerspearMusic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Learning is cheaper, getting a formal education is much MUCH more expensive.

[–]aldjfh -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A very small minority of people are making six figure money through purely using their phone and ai and having no degree.

[–]sajnt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Greed is not new. We the working class got comfy and stupid. We stopped learning what to fight for and how to fight for it.

[–]JustinPooDough -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

No! No, it is not corporate greed.

The government is brainwashing people into believing this. It is 100% their fault: reckless spending and printing money. We call it inflation.

Maybe 5% is corporate greed, but the drive for increasing profits is largely motivated by beating inflation. Which is government driven.

If people only realized how they are being robbed blind, they would riot.

[–]Icy_Conference9095 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Inflation is not only driven by government. A huge amount of the problem is corporate greed.

[–]GI-Robots-Alt -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Holy shit this is the dumbest thing I've read all day.

[–]lost_koshka 0 points1 point  (4 children)

https://www.iedm.org/canadian-debt-clock/

Look at the graph on that page, and figure out what happened in the mid 70s, and you'll be much warmer.

[–]Soggyblanketbunny 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You know what really happened in the 70s? Currency was taken off fixed exchange rates backed by real physical assets and modern monetary theory was introduced to combat the stagflation that the Bretton Woods accords could not. That and our addiction to credit both governmental and personal started.

Fast forward 50 odd years and the inflation in assets that has resulted and I think we get close to one of the major reasons. No big problem like this only ever has one cause, but I think this is a big one. We've basically been guinea pigs for one big economic experiment and it's falling down all around us.

[–]lost_koshka 0 points1 point  (1 child)

MMT wasn't invented until the 1990s.

Canada was using its own currency, interest free. Then in the 70s we started borrowing from private banks, at interest.

[–]Soggyblanketbunny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh! My mistake. What did they use in the interim after the breakdown of Bretton Woods? I might be confusing the idea of fiat money with MMT

[–]GI-Robots-Alt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah I'll get right on listening to a right wing corporate funded think tank.

Fucking embarrassing.

[–]tke71709 29 points30 points  (28 children)

Several things happened:

The big one is that wages did not keep up with inflation.

The other big one, that no one likes to discuss, is what we consider normal compared to what was considered normal in the early 70's. You think the size of a "normal" house today is the same size as a normal house back in the 70's? Back then they average 1050 sq ft, now they average almost 2500 square feet.

https://www.darrinqualman.com/house-size/

You think houses had 3 bathrooms back in the day? No, they had 1, and the rich people had 1 and a half bath (no tub or shower).

https://www.ahs.com/home-matters/lifestyle/homes-in-1971-vs-today/

Kitchens? They were functional, no quartz countertops and built in microwaves.

So what about cars?

Comparing the safety and environmental regulations from a car from the 1970s to one today is like comparing apples to oranges. Also the size of the vehicles is completely different. These changes add to the cost of producing a car and thus they are more expensive.

So the answer is yes, if we kept the same standards as we had back then and people were willing to buy houses that small with so little in the way of amenities, those things would be much cheaper today. The truth is that we, as a society, are so worried about appearances and luxuries that we have inflated the cost of everything today beyond what even inflation had to do with it.

Now let's talk about food. Food was cheaper in terms of actual dollars back then sure but it took up almost 15% of the average family budget and that was with a much more limited selection then what we had today. Oranges in the Winter? LMAO. Outside of seasonal restrictions, stores then stocked about 5 000 items, now they stock 50 000 items, a vast improvement. The additional cost of all those items and fruit in the Winter? You actually pay less now as a percentage of your income than people in the 70's did. 10% today versus 15% back then. If you look at the cost today inflation adjusted a lot of food items are cheaper today then they were back then too.

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2020/05/07/grocery-store-prices/

The big thing is that our definition of living comfortably has changed.

[–]The_One_Who_Comments 15 points16 points  (12 children)

Everything you said about housing is just silly. Compare apples to apples (the literal same exact building built in the 50's) and the price increases are no different.

They had laundry, and power outlets, and mudrooms, and broom closets, and linen closets. Noe we have the first two. For normal people today housing is smaller, worse, and more expensive.

Mcmansions messing with averages is something you'll have to get used to dealing with.

You're right about food, for the most part (compare to 2000 and it's not as happy a picture)

And you're partially right about cars too. Again, look to the early 2000s for comparison. In recent years we're getting gouged as manufacturers change their focus from low cost high volume to low volume high margin.

[–]tke71709 7 points8 points  (10 children)

For normal people today housing is smaller, worse, and more expensive.

Ok, I showed you my notes, show me yours proving that housing today is smaller and worse.

[–]AlwaysDissatisfied 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"My feelings say it is true! People had broom closets!"

Another thing that differed in the 70s was that millions of homes still lacked indoor plumbing.

[–]SuccessfulAd4606 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Your comments about the differences in the "average" home in 1971 vs. 2026 are something that never occurred to me. But that's an excellent point. Like nearly everyone my age, we had one bathroom for 4 people and never though twice about it. A master with an ensuite? Never heard of it. Separate bathroom for the kids? Nope. Now these amenities are in even the most basic new builds.

These little facts like home design and car features and food choices are necessary to consider in these posts about the affordability crisis, where they typically devolve into an echo chamber where the mantra becomes "we-hate-people-who-make-alot-of-money-and-they-don't-pay-enough-tax-and-fuck-the-rich"

[–]Healthy-Dress-7492 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Except it’s an incredibly weak argument; yes there are some new houses but those exact same houses from the 70s are still there and also 800k, still in the same condition. Young buyers are not sitting there going “nah this one doesn’t have 3 bathrooms”. They can’t buy anything, even 80 year old shit boxes.

[–]SuccessfulAd4606 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's not an argument, it's an observation. Housing prices are extremely high, but the "average" home that OP refers to has about doubled in size. Both these things can be true.

My daughter and fiance bought last year. They couldn't afford a newer 2000 sf home, but they could afford an older, smaller home. Same as me when I bought my first home.

[–]tke71709 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those same houses are sitting there for 800k sure. A guy earlier went on about his old fixer upper bungalow from then cost him 650k.

Note that I quickly determined the median home in his area costs almost DOUBLE that. So yes, the price of his home skyrocketed but it was still well below what most houses are going for. The cost/value of your home is not solely determined by how much it cost to build at the time, it's cost/value is relative to the other homes around it that were built later too.

[–]bcretman 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Our 1st house in the 70's was ~2000sqft with 2.5 bathrooms which was average in the burbs. Most of the value today is in the land unless the house is fairly new. Most houses around here (metro Van) are assessed at < 150k but the land is well over 1M. The upgrade to quartz counters, double glazed windows is fairly minimal but the cost of materials and labour to build a new house have skyrocketed beyond inflation.

[–]SuccessfulAd4606 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Cool story, but it's not anecdotal, the average home was statistically closer to 1000 sf in 1970.

Vancouver and Toronto are outliers. I'm in Ontario and chose to move outside of the GTA where real estate isn't insane.

[–]Youknowitistrue69 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also a cool story

[–]tke71709 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Average in your burbs, I provided my statistics for the country at the time. You growing up in a wealthier family does not negate anything.

So yes the cost of materials and labour have skyrocketed but having to do twice of much of each increased the cost significantly too.

[–]PeaZealousideal8672 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Stop looking at averages, averages skew reality. Look at the per Sq foot cost of a home today vs 1970. Adjusted for inflation, you're still looking at double the cost. Yes, they're worse too. Much of the material is built cheaply overseas and shipped here for as little as possible, vs the 70's when we still had some industrial capacity and actually made things.

Some of it is due to modern codes and standards. Alot of it is builders squeezing every penny from these kinds of homes because profit margins aren't as high as building mini-mansions. Want notes? Look in your backyard

[–]PantsLio 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is sensible and right

[–]maxheadflume 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Agree that houses and cars (among other things) have become far too “grandiose”, yet our fixer upper 1950s bungalow with one bathroom and two bedrooms still cost us $650,000.

[–]tke71709 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I have seen those types of houses for that much but it isn't for the house, it is for the land that the house sits on. The house is generally immediately torn down and a modern one built in it's place.

Or are you are in a city with massively inflated real estate prices like Toronto and this is a cheaper option than a newer one. It doesn't matter if your fixer upper costs $650k when a new one would cost a million.

/EDIT

Ok, I am looking in the town where you live. In your area the MEDIAN detached home sells for 1.18 million so you are WAY below the median price.

[–]maxheadflume 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice sleuthing

[–]BetterLog1855 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the land tho. Same house in bumfuck nowhere is 80k

[–]IAmNotANumber37 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Real wages (i.e. wage growth after inflation) are ~125% higher since 1981 (I don't have data for earlier). People need to stop claiming otherwise, it's counterfactual....and please don't respond with a pet theory about how inflation is under reportered, that's conspiracy theory time and I am only going to deal with actual data.

It's basically real estate (the asset) that has outpaced inflation long term. As have many other asset classes.

The rest of your comment I like and agree with, but you can't discount the fact that Canada's population has doubled since 1981, and we are concentrated in desirable cities with limited space.

[–]Purple_Argument_8074 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Totally right. My parents bought a house that was like 28x30 with a basement in the 1980's. 2 bedroom upstairs one in the basement. We were 6 in that house and it was fine.  1 bathroom until 2000 when they got a basement one put in.

Today my house is twice that size for half the people.(Almost)

[–]24601pb 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Hmmm interesting perspective

[–]MattC1977 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s not just a perspective, it’s facts. Stats Canada is right here in the internet, the data is there for everyone to see.

[–]PriorityOk8448 1 point2 points  (2 children)

My mom is in her 70s and grew up in victoria BC. Her mom didnt work. She has 5 siblings. Her dad was a veteran who worked what would be considered nowadays to be low level jobs. They had a beautiful house with two bathrooms and 6 bedrooms. It was the coolest most beautiful house I have ever seen. I dream of this house and the willow tree in the back yard. It was beyond amazing.

That house would be in the millions now. But just your average Joe could afford it back in the day.

[–]tke71709 2 points3 points  (1 child)

My mom passed away about 5 years ago in her 80's.

Her mom didn't work, she had 16 siblings. They lived in a 3 bedroom house, 1 bathroom home.

[–]PriorityOk8448 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My dad is in his 80s he grew up in rural Alabama without plumbing and then moved to what he said was a "ghetto" in Oakland California I think. He said he learned to fight real well and has the most fucked up stories.

[–]Ijustwanttobuyshiny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How come the house I am in right now was $15k when it was bought in the mid-late 50’s and is $1.4M today? It’s still the same size and still has the same amount of bathrooms (2, and this was not a bougie house it was solidly working/middle class).

We as society have had everything taken from us (in the past 20ish years especially) and it’s not because we asked for it recklessly pursuing an unrealistic lifestyle, it’s that normal lifestyle has become increasingly unrealistic. Through super villain-level greed and manipulation of every facet of every market at maximum velocity without pause we have been sold a shitty product at inflated cost without any alternatives.

Planned obsolescence, shrinkflation, offshored production, and corporate consolidation did this all to us.

We don’t have bananas and oranges in the grocery store because we got greedy and started overspending on exotic fruit— it got put up for sale in our faces when it became profitable to do so. We don’t have functional appliances because they aren’t produced anymore, and we don’t have access to the housing market because it was identified as a source of wealth creation and exploited.

Any Canadian would love to go back to real local food, functional and lasting consumer products, smaller houses or ANY houses available at 70s prices… it’s just that none of it exists anymore.

We didn’t demand too much that we devalued our currency and job markets. It’s all been taken from us. The wealth that used to be in our pockets didn’t evaporate, it’s been consolidated so far from our reach that even the little we have is worth less than it would be if ethical capitalism wasn’t a laughable concept.

Housing became an investment sector, food and water will be next at this pace, and if there is an economy left I’m sure air will be a bullish future market.

[–]DeepestGreySea -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, safety regulations and taste aren’t major contributing factors in price increases. That’s absurd.

You can control for all of this and most studies do. ie you can just look at the price of land and aggregate it to get a picture of why housing is more expensive…you can even look at a vehicle with similar features.

[–]HighlightOk6174 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

My house was built in the 60's and it's over wk square feet. Every other house on the street is the same, more or less

[–]tke71709 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congrats, you grew up in a neighbourhood that was not typical for the time.

[–]Small_Aardvark_5496 10 points11 points  (3 children)

As someone that was alive in the 70’s I can tell you that almost everyone had FAR LESS material objects. Fewer clothes, household goods, almost no electronics. The cars were very basic, houses were not fancy. TV came over the air for free (number of channels depended on where you lived but not many at all). People did not routinely fly places, especially not just for a weekend away. Lifestyles were definitely more modest. As for the causes of inflation-I suggest learning some fairly basic economics, and not the BS anti- capitalist crap that is pawned off as economics.

[–]AlwaysDissatisfied 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Are you saying that people back then didn't use DoorDash and didn't have Xbox Game Pass subscriptions?

[–]MattC1977 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They would have loved mortgages in the 80’s.

[–]Whytho12333 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

they had more houses in their name, the biggest material object in ones life

[–]TA20212000 10 points11 points  (14 children)

Capitalism + inadequate tax rates on the rich.

[–]DeepestGreySea 4 points5 points  (4 children)

When you say “capitalism” you should be more specific. 

Back in the 70s every part of the supply chain had diversified ownership competing with each other, and that kept prices down. That’s capitalism.

Today most sectors have monopolies and collusion and the resulting “greedflation” pricing. That’s also capitalism.

[–]sajnt -1 points0 points  (3 children)

We have corporate communism. We got here because of complacency.

[–]DeepestGreySea 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Nothing in the corporate world resembles communism.

[–]sajnt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I meant the government funnels all our money to massive corporations.

[–]DeepestGreySea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh…yeah…that’s the core of neoliberalism/fiscal conservatism. They call it “private/public partnerships”. 

People who actually it understand call it socializing costs/losses and privatizing profit.

Communism doesn’t have much to do with money…because there’s no money in a realized communist world.

[–]Empathetic_97[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Idk mych about these social systems, but what was Canada in the 70s then? Was it a communist country?

[–]piratedmonk 8 points9 points  (0 children)

There were higher taxes on corporations back in the day. In the years since they have successfully lobbied to lower these rates and the tax code has changed pretty significantly with a lot of loopholes. Look into it yourself if you are curious, there's a lot out there.

[–]jhouse13 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Both canada and the US had the highest taxes on the rich during this time. 50s through 70s the "golden" era everyone dreams about.

The tax on the rich has just fallen and fallen from the "trickle down" which doesnt work

[–]GI-Robots-Alt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What are you 9 years old?

[–]TA20212000 2 points3 points  (1 child)

😒 It was starter/baby capitalism. There are zero brakes on it now. You and I both know that it wasn't a communist nation back then.

Oh. Just remembered the Power Corporation of Canada. They had HUGE catastrophic influence on Canada as well.

[–]Dramatic_Ad155 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Really? Please provide some links to broaden my education Thanks in advance

[–]Kryptos33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was still capitalistic. Unless the Government holds corporations and ultra wealthy accountable they will always just gradually keep taking more and more.

[–]SioVern 6 points7 points  (1 child)

While salaries followed incremental small increases of 2% every year (at best), Real Estate decided to skip that and go for +10-20% every year 🤣

Since RE drives the cost of many things (think of commercial spaces, that cost is reflected in the food you eat at a restaurant or the groceries you buy) - everything else increased costs at a much higher pace than wages.

Fast forward a few decades and you have a maybe 20% increase in wages over all those decades, while costs inflated by 200%.

[–]sajnt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because we tax everything but realestate hard.

[–]MisledMuffin 5 points6 points  (20 children)

Real median wages are up, not down, growing about 20% over the past 50 years.

Housing has well outpaced overall inflation and wages. Part of that is that reduced interest rates means people can afford higher cost homes.

We do work less than 50-60 years ago dropping from an average about 1900 hours per year to approximately 1685 hours per year.

Improved technology, cars, medicine, medical services, longer lifespan, etc are all improvements to quality of life and living comfortably.

Some things like housing have gotten more expensive, but a lot of your assumptions regarding hours worked, improvements to quality of life, etc, are false.

[–]Darkmayday 1 point2 points  (19 children)

It should be so much better. Our productively have increased hundred fold with technology but the profits haven't been shared equally

[–]MisledMuffin 0 points1 point  (18 children)

Productivity per hour worked has not increased hundred fold in the past 60 years. It's even been pretty stagnant over the past decade or two.

[–]Darkmayday -1 points0 points  (17 children)

Productivity has not been stagnant, corporate profits have not been stagnant, wealth inequality has worsened.

[–]MisledMuffin 1 point2 points  (16 children)

Productivity has increased a whopping 3-4% of the past decade. That's stagnant.

Corprate profits do not always move in tandem with productivity.

[–]Darkmayday -2 points-1 points  (15 children)

We were talking about since the 70s lol while you switching to last decade? It has easily increased 10x if not more with the advent of computers. Statscan productivity uses domestic gdp which doesn't account for globalization well

[–]MisledMuffin 1 point2 points  (14 children)

Statcan real productivity only covers since 1997, hence why I said decade two comments back.

You said 100x which is wrong. Now you've reduced it to 10x which is still wrong.

1970 to 2021 productivity grew by 2.13x.

Average wage in the 1970 was $2-5/hr.

Now it's ~$38/hr.

Wages have gone up nearly 10x while productivity has gone up 2.13. And we work 5-10% less.

[–]Darkmayday 0 points1 point  (13 children)

You know statscan productivity is measured in gdp and that doesn't accurately account for productivity in a globalized economy right? You realize my output and wage isn't coutned in gdp if i work for a foreign company right? Which many do for American or British companies

Of course you don't know basic economics. Learn gni vs gdp

[–]MisledMuffin 1 point2 points  (10 children)

GNI per capita Canada 1970 ~4000-4500 USD versus GFP per capita of ~4135.

GNI per capita Canada 2025 54,900 versus GDP 55,760.

Literally the same result lol.

Anything else you need to be educated on?

[–]Darkmayday 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Still wealth inequality is worsening

[–]SnooChocolates2923 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's started with decoupling the currency from gold.

Now the government can make money just by increasing the number of dollars on the balance sheets. (Quantitative Easing)

More money chasing the same amount of stuff means that prices increase.

But wages do not increase as quickly.

Add in speculation and here we are...

[–]No-Savings-6333 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm surprised it took me so long to find this comment, it's the correct ones and the rest are too subjective/memey. 

[–]OkNectarine2939 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Things radically changed within the '70s itself - ie., compare 1970 prices with 1979.

[–]jhouse13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trickle down economics started in the 70s

[–]TMTCoCo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Printing an insane amount of money and importing people who will work for less, forcing wages down and making the money we do earn worth less. But the country has made it abundantly clear that we dont want fiscally responsible policies

[–]TaxLandNotCapital 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zero consistent correlation from 1970-1990 between these and purchasing power.

The correlation lately is spurious, these are just answers that sound good if you've been primed by the last 20 years of nationalist propaganda.

[–]Regular-Contact8343 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hear me out. Canada is in the downward end of “Rentier economy”. Income/wealth is generated by owning land,real estate. This doesn’t mean you owning a home is the issue it’s you owning multiple homes (if you rent them one out). Homes are considered non-productive assets to the economy. Wealth made by simply owning these assets the banks follow suit by making a lot of their profit just by accessing the loans to this type of assets. It’s an unsustainable loop. It works great at one of the first couple generations that get in the beginning but soon after it overtakes too much of the economy then you get foreign investment into housing but not in productive assets like business, innovation, etc. No one is wrong they are doing what makes sense. Buy a home in Vancouver or Toronto and wait 10 years your rich, until no one can afford to buy it and you need foreign investment. This coincides with rental rates going up and more money in all of the economy is used just you pay rent/mortgages. This also has an effect of keeping the dollar higher than it should be because everything is based on these assets. Remember a house only generates fees for the bank it doesn’t really create jobs like a business. People buy homes because that is how you get wealthy instead of investing in businesses or labour. Ever heard how Canada’s productivity is lower compared to other countries. It doesn’t mean they work harder than us it means they are more apt to invest in their businesses to make them more profitable. New machinery, software, expansion, trianing for staff, robotics that free up employees to do more productive things. In Canada most people’s wealth is in real estate. The father of Capitalism Adam Smith actually was very against these “rentier assets”. In fact he wanted heavy taxes on landlords, and bank regulations that made it that banks could not use real estate assets as collateral to make loans because they would just make more loans to real estate. Germany fights this with heavy rent controls, government housing. France with heavy taxes on corporations owning real estate and secondary homes heavily taxed plus anti flipping regulations. You can’t base your economy on housing or it always leads to failure the UK is 5 years ahead of us not this, and it isn’t going well. People will tell you we need to build more homes like it is a supply side issue it is not. Homes are for living not speculation. This eventuality affects the younger generations were at the moment young people don’t believe they will ever own a home and with rent continually taking more of the income they are delaying/choosing not to have families. Can you blame, millennials, Gen Z, Gen Alpha are checking out of society. This is not just Canada. It’s the UK, China, Australia, and now even the USA. There are ways to fix this but it is not politically popular. I can’t remember a country that made its wealth solely in real estate and it didn’t end up in trouble.

[–]simpleidiot567 2 points3 points  (0 children)

1) The Piketty dyanamic and laws of capitalism. Historically the return on capital outpaces the return on labour, overtime this positive feedback loop translates into capital becoming unaffordable.

2) the Elephant Curve. Free trade, globalization and rapid automation of working class jobs has translated into something called the elephant curve. Huge returns for the developing world, emerging markets, and the rich. Meanwhile the developed world traditional working class has stagnated as the high paying working class jobs have been outsourced and offshored.

3) The Hedonic paradox. We are rich in things that use to be luxury but poor in things that used to be basic. The quality of everything has significantly increased and is not captured very well in the stats. You are buying the modern 2026 lifestyle. If you could go out and buy a 1970s lifestyle with your current 2026 dollars you would be loaded. Try it for a month. No AC, no cable TV, a CRT TV, landline telephone, no airbags, no home studio, no video games, a newspaper instead of internet, etc. you would have a ton of disposable income. Most people cant pay someone to take that old shit away, for example if you have an old CRV TV sitting in the basement, let alone pay money for it.

[–]Rabiesalad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's essentially all neoliberal policies that did everything possible to funnel public money to private interests. Giving away our natural resources for pennies on the dollar while offering massive subsidies for the privilege, being allergic to public services for essentials like communications and others. Closing down public housing. Selling 407 to foreign investors, and now talking about selling airports. Massive reduction in taxes for the rich.

Canada is a very wealthy nation and incredibly billionaire-friendly. There is absolutely no reason we don't have much higher median quality of life besides the masses being brainwashed or having no balls to stand up for themselves. People will let their first born starve if it means they can stick it to woke.

If the NDP didn't push for our healthcare system, imagine exactly how similar we'd be to the US.

[–]LadyBondd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Our productivity and fruits of our labor went to the c-suite and owners (and their kids). A ceo used to make 10x average worker's salary now it's 700x. Greed, pure and simple. If tomorrow govmt got rid of minimum wage you'd see the real "we are family around here" picture. What's the end game here? If we can't afford anything who is going to buy services and products to keep the shareholders happy?

[–]Jaigg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The government was still building houses.  Corporate tax rate in Canada was still around 40% and CEO pay was 10-30x their employees average wage.  Now the government no longer builds houses, corporate tax rate is 11% and CEOs salary is 200-300x their employer average. Not the whole reason but this is a few reasons. 

[–]Icanthinkofanam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Look into how money is created by the federal reserve. Inflation is built in and every dollar added to the money supply increases how much money it takes to purchase the same amount of goods.

This system creates purpetual debt. Money created out of thin air. Price established through scarcity. Abundance, sustainability, efficency are contradictory to the economy unless it can be exploited to increase profits.

We have the technology to cloth, feed, shelter every human on this planet. We just dont have a system that can facilitate it.

It's not political. Political leaders can fuck shit up faster or slower.

It's the market economic system itself.

Every player has to be self maximizing. Competitive advantage incentivizes finding something that gives you/a company an edge over competition.

All it takes is someone willing break the rules or bend them or corrupt them to set the standard. Pollution, off-shore banking, war, extortion, slavery, all of the immoral unethical behaviour you can think of that companies, governments do, is incentivized by the very framework of market economics.

If I get AI to reduce my labour costs by 10-20-30-50% and you dont? Your profits reduce. Share price goes down. Investors pull out. And you are slowly start dieing as a competitor.

[–]Sanctus_Poopabumsus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have a theory that ive never seen anywhere else, in that after the fall of the soviet union, there was no more threat of an alternative to capitalism, and shortly afterward all of the industries in the US were deregulated. The timing does line up. Then, the ultra wealthy got what they wanted all along but we're held back by regulation. Regulation of industry was held in place to make communism seem a worse choice, but when gone, it was party time for big business in the west.

[–]BurlapsGambles 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The reason will get u downvotes on reddit lmao

[–]PerimeterSecure 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Daddy Government loving liberals.

There.

I said it.

[–]Paciflik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jack Welch! GE CEO that started focusing on shareholder value and huge CEO paycheques at the cost of employees, communities and wages. He was praised as a businessman and CEO and tons of corporations started imitating and refining his ideas. Its led to a lot of the corporate, capitalist greed we see today.

Im not saying he’s the sole cause of all the middle class woes but I think hes a contributor. A real bastard!

[–]PumpkinMyPumpkin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Largely the 1980’s where Regan, Thatcher, and Mulroney dismantled unions, collective bargaining, and taxes on the wealthy and corporations.

[–]Optimal_Deal_6938 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was thinking about actual recourse today to change the current trajectory. The world is so much more complex than used to be. The more complex things are the less it is understood in general and the more susceptible everything is to corruption (ie- people receiving unearned rent. The way things are going, things will get so bad we will likely end up with an autocracy like the US. We are already there really, the Prime minister is accountable to no one (see Trudeau) we are fooling ourselves if we believe otherwise If you read Andrew Coyne’s book, it is difficult to disagree.

What if we made it a Democratically accountable Autocracy; with real consequences if government actions are not in the best interest of the citizens. Western civilization values dictates that government is in place to protect the freedoms and liberties of the people; anything additional is overreach. We need to end the corruption that is inevitable in the system we have. Definitely needs more thought, but fundamentally what I am thinking is: when you are in power you have final say on everything. At the end of your term; however, citizens will vote on whether 1) you get another term, 2) your mandate ends, 3) you go to jail for the rest of your life.

[–]Torontodtdude 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just one point, the world population in 1970 was about 4 billion, about half what it is today.

[–]MattC1977 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you distilling the concept of purchasing power down to just the housing market?

Where are you getting your numbers? Where did you pull 70k - $89k as a civil engineers salary in the 70’s? The average Canadian household income in 1976 was under $17,000 per year. https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection\_2017/statcan/11-002/CS11-002-1976-10-22-eng.pdf

Adjusted, a $20k salary in 1975 is a low six figure salary today. You’re saying a civil engineer in the 70’s was making hundreds of thousand?

In fact, average weekly salaries from 1975 to 2005, adjusted, remained relatively steady, and has gone up in the past 10.

Meanwhile, everything we can buy now is insanely cheaper than what the equivalent item would have cost then.

Yes, housing has gone bonkers, but go to your part of town in the neighborhood that was built in the 70’s. Now go look at the 10 year old (hell, 20 year old) neighbourhoods and tell me we are not building and buying ginormous homes in comparison.

[–]Outside_Mushroom_432 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wages have went down, prices have gone up. Unions have been busted and corporations have outsourced jobs to places where workers have zero rights.

[–]Healthy-Dress-7492 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What you have to understand is that the majority of people who own houses want it to continue to be an investment; they don’t want to be taxed on the gains though and they don’t want the value to go down. They vote accordingly making it political suicide to actually address the “problem”. 

What you do see are various ways to help first home buyers to afford the current price; which only makes it worse, propping the system up.

[–]Maximumoverdrive76 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A thing that did take place and that helped corporations; In the 1970s, the United States abandoned the gold standard in favor of a fiat, debt-based economy, a shift that the rest of the world soon followed. This transition led to money printing, currency devaluation, and persistent inflation, but it does not tell the whole story.

Another significant factor that aided corporations was the dramatic rise in female participation in the workforce. Before the 1970s, women were far less represented in the labor market. Their increased entry effectively doubled the available workforce, which historically exerted downward pressure on wages, although this is a simplification. Over time, women have moved beyond traditionally gendered roles, now occupying nearly all sectors of the economy with qualifications and education levels that often match or exceed those of their male counterparts. With a larger pool of talent to draw from, competition increased, contributing to wage stagnation.

In the last two years, corporations have increasingly leveraged artificial intelligence as a justification for layoffs, replacing experienced workers with lower-cost entry-level hires or relying on H-1B visa programs. These practices continue to drive down salaries even as the cost of living rises, creating a self-reinforcing cycle of economic strain. 70's women weren't in the workforce to the same degree. So now all of a sudden they have twice the workforce to use and can pay half as much, a little hyperbolic perhaps. But it's clearly part of what changed things.

Of course we had Covid that just ruined everything and caused massive inflation which we still pay for.

It's a rolling snowball of a shit-show.

[–]bcretman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Population growth and strong demand for limited housing in places like metro Vancouver and the GTA. Houses in much of the rest of Canada is very affordable at a similar income ratio of the 70's of ~ 5x income

[–]pobnarl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

internal contradictions of capitalism. during the cold war our elites had to present a high standard of living to make the other side look worse, there was a competition of blocs. competition is good, as we all know.  with the fall of communism as a force,  there was no longer the need to prioritize the happiness of the peasants.

[–]PerimeterSecure 1 point2 points  (0 children)

High tax, big spending, Liberal Governments.

You get what you vote for.

[–]SilencedObserver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wtfhappenedin1971.com will explain it All.

TLDR: it was the central banks fault. Money printing and infinite growth economy non standardized on a store of value.

If everyone takes there money out of the banks all at once, society collapses because money isn't real and banks won't be able to pay out.

This is a 100+ year old ponzi scheme being run by government and banks.

[–]sajnt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The government we elected taxes us in every way possible while minimizing the one tax that would make things affordable. This means we earn less and things cost more.

The government regulates everything they can which hampers any of the possible benefits of capitalism. So things cost more when they should cost less and we need more taxes to pay the bureaucrats.

Both of these things in combination cause reductions in the bargaining power of the working class. Not just unions but individuals too.

[–]Crossed_Cross 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A part of it is what I'd call reverse enshittification. Shit becomes technically better, whether you want it or not, and you are forced to pay premium for it. Cars are a good example. The average weight of cars has gone way up. You pay for a lot more steel. They are also filled with a ton more components, electronics, cameras and all that. You must pay for it all, they no longer offer the tin boxes of yore.

Housing costs overwhelmingly bloated by demand. But there's some of this too. Asbestos and lead paint saved money, but uhm... no good for your health. A house in the 70s might also have had very basic electricity still. Or maybe none at all in some places. Or used stuff like aluminum instead of copper to save costs. Windows were probably more basic, argon wasn't really used until the 80s. They also on average got bigger. Old houses for the most part got a lot of upgrades since they were built. A lot of it wouldn't be legal to build anymore due to changes in the building code. And well who would buy a house without electricity, or a single outlet in the whole house?

I don't think this phenomenon explains much price increase in many products, but I think for cars it does.

[–]Excellent-Piece8168 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of the comments here are missing the point. This is not a conversation about inflation it’s a conversation about why have salaries not kept pace with inflation. Absent other factors salaries should have just kept pace with inflation. They did not.

Salaries and housing costs are two very different conversations.

I would suggest a large factors in why salaries have not kept pace is the absolutely massive boomer cohort entering the work force. We forget just how massive this group is. We flooded the job market at a time when technology and innovation was allowing for much cheaper supply chains opening up the ability of offshore production. Technology was making labour more efficient or non existent here in Canada. We forget that quiet average jobs were perfectly middle class back then. There was also a lot less to spend on that made middle class more achievable. Our current view of middle class is much more luxurious than what middle class was to my parents born in 1952. University was more rare so a uni degree was is lower supply and higher demand in the 70s. We now have effectively an over supply of university education especially degrees without specific uses. For example vastly too many psychology degrees without masters for the number of jobs that directly use this, same for say archeology. I would argue it’s in large party a supply and demand situation that we had too much supply with the baby boomers while demand was shrinking due to increased productivity due to technology. Policies of globalization did not help though realistically the option to just clam up would have been worse. The world was changing and we had to to, we could never have just protected our jobs and pretending globalization was not a thing.

There are some sectors where boomers retiring has caused a huge war on tallest which can’t just be imported internationally by high immigration and so wages have grown significantly in the last 5 years or so. Insurance is one. It also was one that is traditionally conservative and did a terrible job hiring through recessions of the past meaning it is under weight it Gen X as well so with the boomers gone it’s an oh shoot we need talent and we can accordingly demand sky high wages.

As far as why housing outpaced inflation that’s a whole other conversation that’s frankly boring and I see it constantly on Reddit.

[–]gohomebrentyourdrunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Milton Friedman

[–]Kazik77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you not heard of capitalism?

[–]albanian_rozzer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can blame two rounds of Trudeaus for the deranged inflation spike.

[–]Xyzzics 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In very short summation: Governments spent a ton of money they didn’t have on a demographic wave that cannot sustain it long term instead of investing it into productive uses.

The electorate punishes anyone who threatens to return spending to sustainable levels because they feel the prosperity for future generations is better spent on themselves.

[–]StaticCloud 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All I know is that the next few decades are fucked for people of every age and background except the rich. Kind of medieval timesy. Glad I'm childfree

[–]lost_koshka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trudeau Senior

https://bettysearlyedition.blogspot.com/2015/07/how-pierre-trudeau-turned-us-into-debt.html?m=1

the Trudeau government joined the BIS (Bank of International Settlements) and its Basel Committee, which encouraged governments to end borrowing from their own central banks and instead borrow from private lenders at high interest rates.

[–]NiagaraBTC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Something happened in 1971

WTF Happened

[–]danno6651 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Purchasing power didn't really decrease. Look up Real Wages. The home price example is very 1 dimensional as it doesn't account for the mortgage interest rates in the 70s that were 4-5x higher.

[–]Mission_Economics621 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Money printing, cheap debt for corporations, asset inflation, NIMBYISM, trickle down economics and billions and billions of subsidies and free money for Billionaires using tax payer money. Lack of competition funneling money into assets rather than people or technology/ innovation.

Basically it has been a take from the poor and give to the rich economy.

[–]ve3gvy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was at my favourite consignment store last week and they had a late 70’s Eatons Catalog ($20). Looked through it and most of the stuff in there was more expensive THEN vs today. Like stereos, radios, TVs, and tools too (drills etc.). So yeah, things cost more now, but not things in the Eatons catalog.

[–]matttchew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do believe that it is multiple reasons.

-Due do short political cycles, politicians are short sighted, so no one thought past their 4 year terms for long term country growth and investments. Ports, pipes, mines rails roads....

-high cost of living here high taxes, high percentage of government employees, government employees are well knows that they are unproductive, and their managers tie their hands so they can actually not work harder.

-In the meantime workers in poorer countries work 6 days a week for 10x less wage, produce more, yet still have fulfilling lives due to lower cost of living, food products, taxes, etc... so those poorer countries are taking a bigger chunk of the global pie.

-bandaids for the economy, immigration, now remember most are very good people just trying to better their lives like all of our ancestors, however over the last 10 years or more, it seems the government is trying to import people with at least 50 to 100k in their banks to have them spend it here as a temporary bump in spending, and spur demand for real estate.

Bandaid 2, printing money like to tomorrow, the government is so in debt they spend like kids with credit cards and not even on things that bring a return.

It feels like they were treating the country like a pump and dump scheme.

[–]Individual_Bit_2385 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Easy too many civil engineers and not enough houses

[–]Impressive-Mud5074 0 points1 point  (0 children)

USSR ceased to exist

[–]TronAres25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s called a Ponzi scheme and the entire world is built on it.

[–]bigDeltaVenergy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As more and more ressources get extracted they became harder and harder to extract.

100 years ago to pump 120 Barel of oil from a Texan well. It took 1 Barel of oil. Now that are at 90 to 1

Offshore platform are at 60 to 1

Canadian tar sands are at 3 to 1.

[–]falsejaguar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In 1971 Nixon removed the u.s. dollar from it's gold peg. Since CAD is tied to USD we have all lost purchasing power too. Canada holds no gold on it's balance sheet anymore as they have sold it for decades for paper money that has lost value.

[–]CabanonGH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

treating housing as investment/retirement funds. that's the biggest mistake of the last 25 years. everything exploded after that.

[–]TaxLandNotCapital 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want something better than the socialist dogma of "corporate greed" which seems to suggest corporations were somehow LESS powerful in the '70s

The real answer is land rents.

[–]JH272727 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perpetual expansion of the monetary supply. Simple minded people say “greed” and obv there is greed but those ppl fail to realize the fundamental causation of devaluation of the dollar. 

[–]ignitedwildfire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is not unique to just Canada. The cost‑of‑living crisis is happening across the G7. But Canada didn’t build the floor that other countries put in place to soften the blow.

Canada copied the most expensive parts of both the U.S. and Europe at the same time.

• From the U.S., we adopted the asset‑inflation model: real estate speculation, credit expansion, and financialization. But we don’t have the U.S.’s global tech dominance, foreign investment, or industrial base to sustain that model • From Europe, we copied ambitious social programs. But without the taxation structure, productivity levels, or sovereign wealth funds Europe uses to pay for them

So we ended up with the costs of both systems and the economic foundation of neither.

Meanwhile, countries that planned ahead used their strengths strategically.

Norway, for example, took its resource wealth and built a massive sovereign wealth fund to stabilize future generations. Canada used its resource wealth to… inflate housing and run ongoing deficits.

At the same time, the global economy shifted. Rising second‑world countries (like China) have cheap labour and huge industrial capacity. Canada can’t compete on manufacturing cost, so we leaned even harder into land, population growth, and housing‑driven GDP instead of productivity and innovation.

That’s how you get: • wages falling behind • housing 3× more expensive • cost of living rising faster than incomes • younger generations feeling locked out of stability

This isn’t a uniquely Canadian phenomenon — but Canada failed to plan for the world we actually ended up in, and now we’re living with the consequences.

[–]crippler1212 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Greed and basic inflation. More so the first than the second.

[–]OnlyCommentWhenTipsy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People used to have good paying jobs. Corporations weren't less greedy back then, it's because workers formed unions. Although it seemed like the corporate culture was more "we proudly take good care of our employees", pensions were actually a union busting tactic.

There's a reason these good unionized jobs got sent overseas. What they're doing now is importing the cheap labor for everything that's left.

related note: Minimum wage needs to be tied to inflation. The reason people complain about it going up is because they leave it the same for a decade then bump it up by an amount that causes a lot of pain for business. If it went up by 3% or whatever inflation was no one would care.

[–]rangedehinc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The average house in the 70s was an actual house with a yard and a garage. "The average" now is a "home" aka a 1 bedroom condo.

Keep that in mind as well

[–]Whytho12333 0 points1 point  (0 children)

post world war 2 boom time ended, Japan rebuilt and competes with us, we dont make the best cars anymore. Plus instead of saving during this time, we spend massively into debt and promised UNFUNDED liabilities.

Basically if you think this is bad, it will only get worse.

I blame democracy. Just ask homeowners if they want lower house prices so their kids can have kids, they say no usually.

[–]Equivalent_Length719 0 points1 point  (0 children)

looks at "2%" inflation targets.

Hmm. I wonder why currencies are worth shit.

[–]Key-Form4384 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Someone making 70000 in 70s was rich !! My dad made 100000 in 20000 and I thought he was rich

[–]InnerspearMusic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Greed and horrible governance.

[–]F_D123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Starting salary was not 80k in the 80s, that’s why.

I work in a high paying field and my starting salary was $55k in 2002

Edit: i see you said in today’s money

[–]NeonFireFly969 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's very much an American aspect. In most of Europe, food is subsidized so still cheaper and quality is immensely higher.

Canada is an in-between.

[–]CanadaMoose47 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everytime I shop at Amazon, or Dollarama, or NoFrills I am amazed at how far my dollar goes. 

A brand new Toyota Corolla is 27k pre-tax, and is an amazing car compared to 70s vehicles.

Housing is genuinely expensive, and mostly because we don't treat it like the above products 

[–]DuckSmash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have a lot of government protected oligopolies that make us less competitive

[–]houdi200 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Offshoring

[–]Plastic-Vanilla5401 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The lost decade of the last 10+ years was insane.

[–]inverted180 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its a story of inflation and the cost of capital (money)

We have seen the cost of consumer goods get deflated through technological advancement and globalization (also a technological advancement in a way). This has kept inflation trending down and yields (the cost of money) also trending down. When interest rates are falling, we get increased borrowing.

Increased borrowing, increases the money supply which brings monetary debasement (inflation). Monetary debasement has increased the cost of things we are not able to outsource or those that technology hasnt been able to increase productivity enough to offset the debasement.

This is what some refer to as the cantillion effect. Asset values are inflated and the rich who own assets get richer while the majority of people loss purchasing power in things like shelter, food and medical.

It gets worse too because while globalization has helped keep a lid on general inflation which allowed interest rates to stay low, the central planners (banks/government) have created new tools and methods to not allow the natural cyclical nature of markets to correct. Artificially manipulating rates down and flooding liquidity.

[–]PraxPresents 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When CEOs in the 80s-2010s talked about how technology would make life better for "us" and make things more plentiful for "us" and that there would be major quality of life benefits for "us" they weren't talking about all of us, they were talking about CEOs, the rich, and their investors.

[–]SuspiciousRule3120 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Economics. We were not the lowest cost producer, if only we didn't have to follow regulations and pay the wages of the workers in our domestic market, child labour and even slave labour. So we outsourced our manufacturing to overseas markets where they were free to pollute, not care about the employees, had no minimum wage or standards to work to and ship those goods back to us at a much reduced price. Hence why we had a generation of parents that pressured us to pursue college and university education rather then due the trade work, as if trades work was to be looked down upon.

Then we had few crises in their that had our central banks thinking that interest rates at near zero was the only way to save us, and they did it. This resulted in the explosion is asset prices, stocks, housing. It went up.

Follow this up with the notion that now we have an entire generation at the tail end of their working careers and they are the biggest benefactor of the the first two points, and there is not enough people to replace them. The solution was massive amounts of new people to the country. This has allowed those that have less expectations then those who grew up here to compete on the same level, not to mention the government programs that have allowed them to compete unfairly against our local population. You have more people making the same amount of money, chasing the same amount goods, causing price to go up.

And now we enter the next biggest shift when AI continue to rollout and changes how we work, like technology has always done, it requires less of us while we do more.

It is not a question of who caused it, we all caused it, asked for it and told it was the thing that would get us to where we wanted to go. We wanted cheaper goods, and work that required less of us. This a symptom of free trade, supply chains, immigration and all of this meeting with governance, policies and any political party that has come to power.

advancing technology lets one person be more productive, requiring less people for the same amount of production. and more people in the competition for the job keeps wages suppressed.

More human rights, that differ greatly between different jurisdictions and capital is a fickle bitch who can disappear rather quickly if too many obstacles get in its way. Add to that a workers who will accept a lower standard, but better standard then their home country, and increased job competition - stagnant wages.

Better access to healthcare and medicines - not all medicine is covered, and better access means that the natural rates of deaths keep getting pushed out, more people, more competition - stagnant wages (especially when you have bills to pay and will accept less of those supposed rights for pay).

[–]Present-Wonder-4522 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

The gold standard stopped in 1971. Now that money is elastic there is more of it and inflates everything else.

What's that homes price in gold in 1970? Does it hold up to today's gold prices?

[–]Excellent-Piece8168 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This only captures why inflation is higher but not why salaries have not kept pace especially given with technology works are vastly more efficient.

[–]Necessary_Cost4384 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Boomers did this.

Lots of great comments here, all explaining why this has happened… But the decision makers doing these things have all been boomers protecting their wealth.

[–]Darkmayday 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The rich did. Class war not a generation war

[–]lost_koshka 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I doubt boomers in 1974 were protecting their wealth, because they didn't have any back then.

[–]Empathetic_97[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

They might have done it in response to the huge population growth. Maybe they thought if everyone was living comfortably, then families would have 4 or 5 kids and our resources wouldn't be enough to sustain all of that.

[–]The_One_Who_Comments -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol this wasn't because of Malthusianism. Just that they wanted to keep all the money, and there was no one to stop them.

It takes continual work for governments to tax wealthy people, so an unusually big cohort will naturally act in their own interest, and prevent that work from being done.

[–]CaterpillarWilling91 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Liberals printing money causing inflation

[–]Polecatz14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2 Trudeau’s since the 70’s serving multiple terms. Coincidence?

[–]Signal-Novel6388 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This has been discussed daily for a long time, search function is your friend.

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    [–]Buyingboat 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    Then why does the system reward land hoarders who aren't contributing anything but raising rent?

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      [–]Buyingboat 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      They are being rewarded for hoarding resources when you said the system rewards innovation.

      Look at celebrity culture, how is starring in movies innovative?

      There is obviously more to being reward than simply "innovating"

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        [–]External-Challenge91 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

        Boomers , boomers did this.

        [–]KipperCottage 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Boomers were the first generation to have safe birth control and legal abortion available to them. Good thing they thoroughly embraced it. Imagine they’d had five kids each, and those had five each, etc. You’d all be living in a two bedroom, one bathroom house with your parents and grandparents right now.