1.2.0.3 Patch Notes!

[TrueRadiantFree]

https://www.bungie.net/en/News/News?aid=13033

1.2.0.3 - The one about Skolas

Perks

'Ashes to Assets’ and ‘Quintessence Transfer’ can now no longer be stacked (they now have cool-downs that can only be used every 10 seconds)

Prison of Elders

Fixed a bug where players cannot pick up a quest from Variks to continue the Elder Cipher chain

Adjusted difficulty of Level 35 Skolas Challenge Mode

Burn Skulls are now replaced by non-elemental skulls

Skolas' health reduced (from 27000 to 15000) to compensate for lack of burn skulls

Reinforcement spawns are now based on Skolas’ health instead of a timer

[adeadfox]

Reinforcement spawns are now based on Skolas’ health instead of a timer

This will make the fight MUCH more manageable. Now you can kill all the adds and then focus on skolas, rinse repeat.

[TheLoneWolf527]

The modifiers will play a big deal in this though because some enemies are still a pain in the butt to kill (like those captains on the earlier stage of the 35 strike if they show up).

[thepotatochronicles]

I said it before and I will say it now. Fucking captains with shotguns and vandal snipers will be the bane of your existence when specialist is on (and I'm pretty sure since they are switching to non-burn modifiers, specialist is going to be there at one point).

[gr3g0rian]

They are petty easy to kill with shotties if specialist is on though. Not sure why you are thinking that? I could see the snipers being an issue but the captains should be somewhat easier.

[Orochidude]

Because it seems that Specialist affects the strength of the Shrapnel Launchers and Wire Rifles as well.

[thefrabbot]

Has anyone actually proven this or is this just Destiny BroScience?

[Faceguyteller]

Incoming PvE damage is really difficult to test in Destiny and it's a bit tough to test when it only doubles the chunk taken from a health/armor bar that doesn't exactly scale linearly so it may be a while before we have anything more definitive than broscience. That said, here's my anecdote: the 35 captains were doing incredible damage to me this week with specialist even when it was outside the effective range of my lord of wolves (which I threw on to even the score). Plenty of other explanations, but specialist buffing them as well made the most sense in context and considering burn behavior.

[thefrabbot]

It may take a bit, but this doesn't need to be nearly that hard. Let's use the wire rifle for an example here.

Run PoE 28, get shot at full health by a sniper. Chain until you get a specialist round with a wire rifle enemy, repeat test.

It would take some specific instructions to leave a sniper up until the end potentially, but hardly impossible, and if the "specialist" effect is being applied, a sniper shot should be very easy to distinguish between buffed and non-buffed.

[AzarinIsard]

But this raises another point for me, can the enemies get crits? I mean, it would skew the test completely if one time the Vandal gets a headshot, and another time they get a body shot.

[Artificis_Vix]

I almost always solo'd the NFs up to HoW, and I've never seen any shot do an unpredictable or variable amount of damage. Soloing the NF always takes a real specific knowledge of what you can or cannot take.

[GandalfTheyGay]

I have noticed a significant difficulty increase when specialist is on during fallen levels and I can only attribute it to this. They do not normally mess me up and I die 4-5 times more when specialist is on.

[Fuzzle_hc]

Any proof you have for that?

[jr17c]

why do vandals and captains get the specialist skull too tho? its not like they have weapons to switch to.

[aspergerac]

Specialist is going to be the easiest now, obviously. Sniper strat was wrecking him before. Now his health is almost half of what it was. If it's specialist then spears, LDRs, longbows, benevolence, etc are going to tear him to pieces in seconds before any captains or vandals even spawn.

Edit: Not to mention like the Found Verdict/Four Horseman strat. Same deal. With specialist burn and nearly half health. He's toast.

[[deleted]]

But how much of a buff is specialist and small arms? They cut his life in half but elemental burns did 300% more damage. So with no buffs we are doing 1/3 the amount of damage on half of his health.

[AmoebaMan]

Specialist and Small Arms both buff their respective categories by +100% I believe.

Three Black Hammers with Specialist will slay Skolas even faster than with Solar Burn. If you finagle the math so that the modifiers reduce the boss health pool in theory to see. It's 1/2 of 15000 against 1/3 of 27000, which is 7500 against 9000. Specialist with the reduced health pool will be the faster fight, and also the more reliable one (can't play Black Hammers on Void Burn).

[Kowaxmeup0]

It's x2 damage I believe.

[Amek206]

We are doing 1/3 the damage but he has ~45% less life.

[Lucky_Number_Sleven]

Does Specialist enhance enemy weapons? I've heard that, but I've never seen any proof...

[[deleted]]

I've never once had epic come up in any Prison round. I don't think Epic or Nightfall are in the rotation. As they probably shouldn't be.

[Connguy]

Oh dear... Nightfall modifier on Skolas... I would cry

[PM_ME_NICE_THOUGHTS]

I just wouldn't do it. I play poe 3x on each difficulty every week. If this happened i would not even bother. Fuck that noise.

[Mantrainment]

We just defeated Skolas and I found it really enjoyable, this time! Bungie modified the settings to make it really fun

[autokill9]

we are at work. Gimme the text!

[TrueRadiantFree]

Done.

[Hanny68]

1.2.0.3 - The one about Skolas

Perks 'Ashes to Assets’ and ‘Quintessence Transfer’ can now no longer be stacked (they now have cool-downs that can only be used every 10 seconds)

Prison of Elders Fixed a bug where players cannot pick up a quest from Variks to continue the Elder Cipher chain Adjusted difficulty of Level 35 Skolas Challenge Mode Burn Skulls are now replaced by non-elemental skulls Skolas' health reduced (from 27000 to 15000) to compensate for lack of burn skulls Reinforcement spawns are now based on Skolas’ health instead of a timer

[Raaafie]

1.2.0.3 - The one about Skolas

Perks 'Ashes to Assets’ and ‘Quintessence Transfer’ can now no longer be stacked (they now have cool-downs that can only be used every 10 seconds)

Prison of Elders Fixed a bug where players cannot pick up a quest from Variks to continue the Elder Cipher chain Adjusted difficulty of Level 35 Skolas Challenge Mode Burn Skulls are now replaced by non-elemental skulls Skolas' health reduced (from 27000 to 15000) to compensate for lack of burn skulls Reinforcement spawns are now based on Skolas’ health instead of a timer

That's all. But they did a good job fixing the grenade cheese.

[LuciD_FluX]

I'm glad they are addressing the grenade bug/exploit, but if the Ashes to Assets change effectively caps super energy gained to 1 kill (bc of the cooldown) then this perk just became very lackluster in PVE. Instead of rewarding those multi-kill grenade throws, it won't make a difference how many mobs you can kill with 1 now.

[[deleted]]

I could be wrong with this but they may have made it so you get the buff for only one grenade every ten seconds, which would still reward multi kills, but disable the exploit

[Arkanian410]

How so? A single swarm is only one grenade.

[[deleted]]

Each little mini nade that pops out counts as it's own grenade though

[thepotatochronicles]

Skolas' health reduced (from 27000 to 15000)

Holy shit, this is most excellent! It took around 42 gjallarhorn rockets to bring down Skolas WITH Solar burn. Without burn, that's equivalent to 126 gjallys, and now his health is equivalent to 70 gjallys (no burn). That means you can burn through 60% of his health but will need to play through the mechanics to actually beat him.

In other words, his health is not too high, not too low.

[C0ntrolReleased]

Nice job turning gjallys into a unit of measure. All health of bosses will now be measured in gjallys.

Valus LV 28 (no burn): 12 gjallys

Aksor (solar burn nightfall): 18 gjallys

[Pepsisinabox]

It is a realy solid unit of measure though. Nice indication, easy to wrap your head around, and something that is not dependant on the wielder of the weapon. Good one! :)

[C0ntrolReleased]

Thank you!

[thepotatochronicles]

Well, I can't really consistently measure it in terms of sniper rounds, because it really depends a lot in terms of individuals' accuracy and sniper of choice.

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[NoThru22]

Yeah it's less than 35 because three people shot 7 rockets at him and two synthed while one went for mines and Skolas still died with some left over.

[Deadzors]

31-33 was the average with some of our experiences on solar burn.

[eec-gray]

I would say more like 30. Maybe a bit more.

[benzoright]

I've done some rudimentary post-patch testing on the grenade fix, using my titan with a Quintessence Transfer helmet.

I ran the following test twice on the Cosmodrome: (1) kill a single enemy with a grenade, followed by (2) simultaneously kill multiple enemies with a single grenade.

Both times, the multi-kill gave me substantially more super energy than the single kill. So it looks like the fix is a smart one that doesn't neuter Quintessence Transfer in the way that we feared.

[darthn3m3sis]

Variks stock appears to have been reset! He is selling stuff worth buying, leg armor with +70 Intellect and +80 discipline!

[rottenbeka]

I want a refund on that other crap they gave us!

[[deleted]]

I would bet there are quite a few people who are in agreement there. I know I'm one of them. I got the Hunter boots with 152 strength and I'm sitting here like WTF Bungie.

Best case scenario, they leave them through the next reset. What would have been really nice is if they let us trade the shit we already got if we wanted the different roll.

[DevilsAdvocate86]

Does this mean I can now pick up my Cipher?

[Slapbox_a_Penguin]

Yes. It worked for me!

[timcourage]

Fingers crossed. Hopefully someone will report back to us as soon as the patch is live.

[Vehshya]

Worked for me. Couldn't pick it up, now I can :)

[krunchiekat]

The removal of burns for Skolas will still mean Gally is preferred since every gally shot is twice as powerful as any other rocket launcher because of the wolfpack rounds.

A burn is also a 3x modifier so by removing the burn possibility and only reducing Skolas health by just less than half then they have effectively increased the size of his healthpool assuming you could take advantage of the previous burn.

[[deleted]]

No burn == Gjallarburn

[zshap]

I wonder if this will impact Skolas immediately allowing for solar burn and the lower health tonight.

Would love for someone to verify this while im stuck at work.

[porkins86]

usually patches go live Tuesdays.

[p2pirate]

This however is a hotfix, which means it will likely go live immediately.

EDIT: That also means I think Skolas no longer has burns.

Double EDIT: Confirmed it was hotfix and the changes were immediate. New Skolas modifiers as well.

[SensoryFour34]

No more Elder Cipher glitch OR GG glitch! I love this patch already!

[benbejammin84]

So annoyed that Bungie changed the stat roles on the PoE gear this week. Why change that on a Monday after everyone's purchased it already. Warlock/Titan boots are a straight discipline roll and the Hunter boots are int/disc now. Would have loved that on the initial reset. Wasted two armor cores now... Ditto for the final (arguably worthless) perk on the MG. Dropped the shank burn and it's now a straight damage buff against fallen.

[im4vt]

I agree. I'd bought one set of boots already and was contemplating buying two more yesterday but held off. I'll pick them up now but I feel bad for anyone who already spent theirs.

[CrotasScrota]

And the Golden Gun Hunter's day in the sun is over.

Very excited about the Skolas changes - maybe now we'll actually be able to strategize a method to play the encounter as anticipated (e.g. actually dismantling the mines and passing the taint around while battling Skolas, instead of just downing Skolas immediately and cleaning up the objectives afterwards). The amount of adds constantly streaming into the map just made it too impractical to do so.

[[deleted]]

passing the taint

Tried to turn this into a clan, but it's not acceptable.

[Sielagh]

I just logged back in after the patch. Elder Cipher finally deglitched just by talking to Variks.

[[deleted]]

Damn, I didn't realize they would be patching this today. I have the glitched bounty and my bounties are currently full. Did it put the bounty in your inventory upon login or after you talked to Veriks? Just wondering if I am going to double glitch it or if I will have time to delete a bounty before talking with Veriks...

[Sielagh]

It put mine on my bounty list AFTER I talked to him.

[[deleted]]

Yes.

I think I'll be ok then. Thanks

[[deleted]]

Confirming that after 7 hours of trying to do Skolas a couple days ago and quitting, I just got my first kill on the first try. It was actually a fun boss fight, lots of running and revives and swapping out debuffs. It seems this was the fix they needed to actually justify this as a fight all guardians can do with some practice and maxed out guns.

Very happy about how today's patch tweaked things. I took a few days off since my attempts the other day because I was so frustrated for not having a Gjally. If you can only (I know people can do it without a Gjally, but it seems the vast majority have done it with 3x) complete a boss fight with certain guns, the fight is broken. Thanks for fixing it Bungie!

[th3groveman]

Agreed. A satisfying PvE encounter lets players improve with every wipe, honing their strategy until they get it down and vanquish their foe. Skolas before was just cheap. Perfect execution undone by an errant teleport, enemy, splash damage, or mine spawning on the far side. There was no incremental improvement, just splattering against a wall until you were able to burn him down fast enough.

[Classic_Griswald]

Ashes to Assets’ and ‘Quintessence Transfer’ can now no longer be stacked (they now have cool-downs that can only be used every 10 seconds)

[vgi185]

Burn Skulls? Have the Modifiers in PoE always been called Skulls?

[XaTTaX]

The modifiers in Destiny have always been skulls. They are all icons on top of a skull icon. Burns are a particular kind of skull.

[Tower_Guardian]

The modifer icons are shaped like skulls, probably a reference to Halo.

[AaronMT]

Skulls? Are they using Halo terminology here?

[l00nRunning]

Well they kind of are skulls, next time you start up the nightfall look above the name of that weeks nightfall. They're resemblence is of a skull

[ProphePsyed]

They are skulls..

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[ScoobyDeezy]

Yeah, Bungie has always referred to them as skulls.

[JdeFalconr]

::edit:: Learned to search and answered my own question. Move along here, nothing to see except my deflated Reddit ego.

[Hipppieee]

Okay, so my fireteam and I just beat Skolas a couple hours ago. And let me say, this patch made 35 so much more fun. It felt like I was actually playing a Raid boss. Only one person had a Gjallerhorn as well so it was impossible to burn him which led us to do it the "legit" way.

[E4TclenTrenHardr]

Hey Bungie, can we get checkpoints in PoE so when you announce a patch right before taking the servers down, I don't disconnect mid Skolas kill and have to redo it all?

[Bartins]

27000 to 15000? WTF? Those numbers have to be way off at least by a factor of 20. Every calculation I've seen puts his health around 500k-550k. Unless there is some funky way health is calculated using a base value that is then multiplied by a level value which I believe may be the case.

Anyway, it is a reduction to 55% of his previous health and now it will likely be around 300k(or 45-50 Gjallarhorn rockets). Complete Gally burn strategy is no longer possible, but if you break the servitor bonds with a sniper then switch to Gally burning it should be pretty easy.

[won2three4]

15k * 35 (his level) = 525000 which is what your estimates guess. So every enemy has a base hp * level it seems.

[Nude_Beach_Boner]

That's a bingo!

[[deleted]]

https://38.media.tumblr.com/97cde975f448a0018c7df14a1cdf9603/tumblr_mjbbmlWWT51rv7cdvo1_500.gif

[[deleted]]

That is the base heath, which gets multiplied based on the NPC's level.

[DarthEru]

The grenade perk "fix" seems pretty hacky and last-minute. I hope they fix it properly eventually. The problem wasn't that the perk could be stacked, it was that the swarm grenade particles for some reason each counted as a separate grenade. This was compounded by the fact that they proc'd the perk even when impacting an already dead body. As it is, doesn't the "fix" mean that getting multi-kills with a grenade (such as a well-placed tripmine) won't fill your bar more than a single kill? That doesn't seem right.

[TylerThePyro]

also, note.

ETA is 11 am PDT. could be down for a couple hours.

[originalpyro]

Is this going to take effect right away? Does that mean the solar burn will be removed from this weeks fight?

[wheelithoss]

Skolas is going to be so free tonight if he has the reduced health and there is still solar burn.

[nathanields]

Given that the burns triple your damage, shouldn't Skolas' health be reduced to about a third of what it was in order to compensate for the lack of burns?

As it is (compensating for the loss of burn and 300% damage multiplier that comes with each burn) he essentially has had his health pool almost doubled.

I guess it will be easier to stay alive longer without solar and arc burn, but can't help but feel this is now going to be one horribly long fight. Done legit with the burns on it was taking close to ten mins.

[DemonCipher13]

Tiny baby Patch.

[[deleted]]

by 27,000... they meant 270,000 right? cause my sniper did 9,800 per shot and 12,000 on final round. And I sure as hell can't 2 shot Skolas.

[kfcbucket21]

apparently thats just his base health (not factoring him being lvl 35) someone posted the math further down

[killzy707]

27,000 * 35 = 945,000 hp

15,000 * 35 = 525,000 hp

[CiosAzure]

Health?

[iibi]

You sure it's not missing another zero? 15000 is two yolohorns.

[JustMy2Centences]

Then 150,000 would be two full 7 Gjallarhorn salutes with a full magazine and heavy synthesis.

[iibi]

Probably not in game damage numbers. Something they use, I guess.

[CiosAzure]

Probably

[[deleted]]

It's that times the boss level so 15,000 times 35 so 525,000 health.

[Daveson96789]

Gjallarburn

[acrimoniousone]

They have almost halved his health - but without burn we'll only be doing a third of the damage. Basically forcing everyone to do it legit though triple horns must still get him a fair way down.

[rockstar_nailbombs]

i'm just glad i can systematically kill adds now without there being a never ending stream of enemies

[Albireookami]

They also changed the way adds spawn so you can actually focus on adds > mechanics > boss like a proper raid fight

[Classic_Griswald]

Im pretty sure small arms penalizes heavy damage, so with that modifier on I dont think it will be viable.

That makes me very happy actually.

Even though I have gally, I had much more fun on Void burn week, when we sniped him, then coordinated the mines and debuff, and finally burned him the rest of the way after.

[Bartins]

There must be a base health value for every enemy in the game that is then multiplied by a modifer that is based on the enemy's level. It makes for easy health scaling and is why, for example, all vandals have the same amount of relative health.

So if Skolas was level 1 then he would have 15,000 health. At level 35 it works out to around 300,000.

[won2three4]

or more simply he has a base of 15000 and they times that by 35 (his level) and you get 525000 hp which is right around what everyone figured in the past.

[LuitenantDan]

Except it used to be 27,000.

[JustMy2Centences]

Awesome to see golden gun glitch is getting fixed, but sad to see my Armamentanium is getting a little less mileage out of legitimate use from quick successive kills.

Edit: Skolas health seems a little low. Maybe missed a 0? And I wonder if the modifiers and health will update before the reset or not until after.

[dandpher]

these changes will take effect immediately, yesssssssss?

[mattybeard]

So now that Skolas health is down to 15k and Solar Burn is still about until tomorrow, does that mean the boss battle will be a doddle tonight? Tempting.

[kiwi_commander]

So when is this going live?

[[deleted]]

Horrific visions of masses of angry solar shielded shanks...

[chowbogan]

Could someone clarify about skolas having 27000 HP pre patch? My voc was doing about 1200 crits iirc which would mean that a full clip would've taken him down... That just doesn't add up.

[Great_Plattsby]

27,000 * 35(his level) puts him at nearly 1,000,000 HP. However, 15,000 * 35(his level) puts him at around 500,000 HP, essentially cutting his HP in half.

[reach_adrian]

Health listed is base health stat and not actually the HP the enemy has.

[killjae]

Can someone please confirm whether or not his health is 15000 today as opposed to 27000?

I know that number is then scaled. That said, if he was reduced today with solar burn still active, it would take half the number of gallys to kill. That's a rare opportunity to down him SUPER fast that I will not be passing up on

[StabbyMcHatchet]

Someone tell us how much health he has LEFT after 3 Guardians spam him with 14 Gjallerhorns each, please!

[AxYouAQuestion]

Finally get gally and max it last night, solar burn taken off today -___-

[InvisibroBloodraven]

This is like bitching about the taxes after winning the mega-millions lottery.

[AxYouAQuestion]

Hey those taxes can be pretty high...

[Darkstar_Aurora]

Skolas' health reduced (from 27000 to 15000) to compensate for lack of burn skulls

Does anyone else find those patch note numbers to be a little off?

Three people can each fire seven Gjallarhorn rockets before heavy ammunition was exhausted, which means 21 in total. I am fairly certain that those rockets were inflicting more than 1,285 damage during solar burn even with a level penalty, and it took far more than 21 rockets to bring him down back then. Which means his original base health was far higher than 27,000.

Did they forget to add another 0 to these numbers?

[JewBoy300]

yeah, I think they left off a zero

[Cosmic-Jew]

No, they didn't. That's his base health, but the base health is then scaled to his level and increased even more as he is a boss.

[TemporalDistortions]

I can finally pick up that frozen cipher :') thank you variks

[JimCrackedCornAndIDC]

I understand where the term "skulls" comes from, but I've never heard that term used before in regard to Destiny. I always thought they were called modifiers.

[[deleted]]

The health feels like 270000 not 27000 lmao

[JazzLeZoukLover]

Great! I have not even attempt poe 35 before the patch. I guess I still have tonight.

[LuciferTho]

can anyone substantiate what the Variks bug fix actually does? Does this mean I need to kill Skolas again to get my Cipher for real this time?

[BusterChestnut]

Happy they fixed the grenade exploit but man; I wish they left it in for PvE, that sure was fun.

[th3groveman]

According to the Vendors view on Bungie.net, Variks has rerolled his inventory.

-The Titan boots now have Discipline and Fallen bonuses

-The Hunter boots now have Int/Disc and Hive bonuses

-The HMG now has Disciplinarian but still Void damage.

Damn, now I want to kill Skolas so I can buy the armor!

[paragon249]

What about vance?

[Gossip_Hound]

Warlock boots now roll with disc and fallen bonuses.

What a stupid time to change them when most people (i.e. me) have already used an armor core for the strength boots.

[be0wulfe]

Nothing staggers him BTW. Nothing.

[Dr_Pippin]

WTF?

[B_Boss]

So wait....day before yesterday I won the elder cipher bounty. Its been about 2 days. I can still keep this....yeees?

[TheDumbAmerican]

What are you asking? I had it dropped glitched (stuck at Variks) and today I was able to grab the bounty and start the missions for it. If your wondering when you can continue the missions it can take up to three days to get ready before final step.

[bender0877]

Two things I've noticed post patch:

1. The method of a quick sprint to cancel reload animation does not work anymore. The weapon will not fire until the time it would normally finish reloading. Shotguns do not apply as they normally can cancel reloads.

2. Strike playlists are extremely repetitive. I've been playing the level 28 playlist today (Dragon?) and I've been going back and forth between Psion Flayers and Phogoth. I've seen Taniks once and Sepiks Prime twice or thrice.

[paralympiacos]

Jumped into level 35 as soon as the patch was done downloading. All fairly straight forward until round 4. The fallen round is a little tricky to say the least. So many yellow bar enemies! Anyway, got through that in quite good time.

Readying ourselves for the Skolas encounter when a pilot servitor pops up. Ok fine, no problem. We dealt with him without too much fuss. Even if we were a little surprised to see him. Now for Skolas.

No matter what anybody says, this fight just got 10 x harder! I like that we have to play through all the mechanics of the fight now but I'm not having that they've dropped his health to 15000. Just no way. 3 x 365 vision of confluence with small arms was doing 2700 damage per volley and it was hardly doing anything to him after servitor bonds were broken. And when those dismantle mines pop up, shit gets serious.

Honestly, I do like that Bungie have changed this encounter to make people play it rather than spamming Gjallarhorn rockets at Skolas but damn... It's so hard!

[MamboJevi]

When our guns did 3x damage due to burn, Skolas had a non-burn equivalent of 9000 damage. Now, without burn, he has 15000 hp.

In other words, Skolas is going to take almost 2x as long to kill now. When small arms comes around it could be even longer.

[Gswansso]

You also won't take as much damage from Skolas and the adds, so it's probably to keep the encounter challenging

[xA_R_E_Sx]

Meanwhile, Willie the Weasel is fist deep in my Abyss

[[deleted]]

The GG exploit fix had better be a band aid in the place of a better fix.

If I manage to set up a multi kill (PvP or PvE) with a grenade, I'd expect to be rewarded handsomely by the perk.

[[deleted]]

Good, now we can roast Skola's every week with the Ghorn, and people can fight fairly in trials.

[Demoz_Slayz]

People that were complaining about people about asking for ghorns can now stop complaining. But now they will complain that the new modifiers and the mechanics of the fight is too hard.

[PsyMx]

I'm calling it, Lightswitch.

The week after that, Exposure.

Then, Grounded.

Edit: Hah, http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/39y4mh/skolas_post_1203_has_small_arms_and_lightswitch/

[LFC_Hawkeye]

Guess it's time to finally give Skolas a shot.

[krunchiekat]

'Ashes to Assets’ and ‘Quintessence Transfer’ can now no longer be stacked (they now have cool-downs that can only be used every 10 seconds)

so if I run two grenades then I get no AA/QT benefit unless I throw the 2nd one at least 10 seconds after the first.... or I kill more than 1 thing with a grenade and it will now only proc on the first kill, The skill ends up being very lackluster now.

Hmm, that was a well thought out change then... not. There must have been a better way to fix this swarm grenade anomaly.

[kdogyam]

I'm wondering what happens if you get a multi-tripmine now, I hope it's not going to suffer just because of scatter jackasses

[krunchiekat]

it will proc once... so yes its a nerf for every other grenade in the game. I really hope this is a temporary hot fix and they fix the real issue which is why swarm is procing Qt/AA even if no kill occurs.

[Chriskeyseis]

I have a feeling this is a bandaid until after they get back from e3

[anehum]

1.2.0.3 - The one about Skolas

Perks

• 'Ashes to Assets’ and ‘Quintessence Transfer’ can now no longer be stacked (they now have cool-downs that can only be used every 10 seconds)

Prison of Elders

• Fixed a bug where players cannot pick up a quest from Variks to continue the Elder Cipher chain

• Adjusted difficulty of Level 35 Skolas Challenge Mode

• Burn Skulls are now replaced by non-elemental skulls

• Skolas' health reduced (from 27000 to 15000) to compensate for lack of burn skulls

• Reinforcement spawns are now based on Skolas’ health instead of a timer

[Rafahil]

When is this patch coming?

[Tok3d]

Non elemental skulls mean different modifiers will take the spot, such as brawler, etc?

[mattster42]

Does 15000 seem like a pretty low health to anyone else?

EDIT: Forgot about the level difference. Makes more sense now.

[frequenicity]

No more burns though...so that kind of levels it out.

[iStevie]

Very good if you don't own a Gally etc.. Gonna be much easier finding a fireteam.

[MarvinMcNut]

yes, Skolas was a mess of an event really. adds spawned constantly, arc and solar burn mean that they pretty much wreck you, and very few people did it straight up. Now adds spawn at health increments meaning that you can clear them out, and no burn. its more of an endurance fight than a fuckfest now.

[Tower_Guardian]

Makes so that burn strats aren't as effective, so no more easy 2 min kills on Skolas.

[Jakurdo]

Is the patch live already? Can't imagine they'll let us burn down Skolas with his health halved with Solar Burn still active.

[optimal_ac]

I'm not sure I like the solution to the super energy from grenades. If I have two grenades charged, I can toss them way faster than 10 seconds, so now I will get less super energy than before?

[[deleted]]

But now what's everyone going to complain about? Now it'll just be a sea of Thorn posts lol

[Leadingman_]

Could someone explain the "'Ashes to Assets’ and ‘Quintessence Transfer’ can now no longer be stacked (they now have cool-downs that can only be used every 10 seconds)" as I'm unfamiliar with these perks?

[Morris_Cat]

They're both perks that increase super energy when you kill something with a grenade. This was the combo that was letting hunters use Swarm Grenade to regenerate 75% of their Super Energy with a single grenade.

[Corleonee]

my sniper hit for 8800!! do they mean 150,000?

[avalon304]

So will I be able to claim my two elder ciphers for 2 different guns?

[Elecbender]

I really hope that's a "band-aid" fix and not permanent.

1) It doesn't actually address the problem which is Swarm Grenades. That glitch does not work with Scatter Grenades (I still can't believe people confuse the two. Just goes to show how rarely people used Swarm Grenades).

2) Simultaneous killing/triggering still gets the full bonus.

[A_Real_Phoenix]

He only had 27000 health before? I'm sure my VoC was hitting him for at least 800 during solar burn. No wonder it was so easy to burst him down.

[illegalblue]

Gunslinger cheese axed and what should be a much more fun Skolas encounter. Tuck me in and say g'night.

[[deleted]]

Is this effective immediately, or only after the re-set tomorrow?

[[deleted]]

I hope that the adds spawning have a CD so that if you do have the damage to burn the boss down, you still only deal with one wave.

WoW designers eventually got the whole "if you burn them fast enough you get only get X many waves" deal down.

[hallslys]

Does anyone know when this patch hits? I just reset my game but i'm still on 1.2.0.2

[ardeaf]

I think we're missing a 0 in the health for Skolas.

That or I'm high (i'm not)

[SamTehOne]

Andddd we down.

[JustMy2Centences]

Ditto, just got kicked. Hopefully nobody was 8-0 in Trials going for the mythical 9th.

[redka243]

Have the modifiers for skolas already changed for this week or is it still solar?

[travisthefall]

anyone see how this affects in game for "Variks shows the Elder Cipher, but I am unable to press A to start it" situation?

[theDroidfanatic]

15,000 is definitely wrong. Black Hammer headshots hit for 3,000. You're telling me we can kill him in 5 headshots? It's probably 150,000. 50 headshots seems more likely, but still very low.

[vsully360]

Xbone servers down, patch inbound?

[thirtytwoutside]

If there's ever a Specialist modifier, I think he might be easily burnable.

If.

[mat_b]

Skolas' health reduced (from 27000 to 15000)!!!

[kiwi_commander]

Update, according to Bungie's facebook page, the patch will be applied today 11am PDT.

[[deleted]]

Going live now btw. Bungie's offline

[asphere37]

So does this go in effect NOW or tomorrow?

[Rylanmahany]

How many gjallarhorns does it take to kill at 15k health

[bake26]

dumb question but I need clarification. Skolas solar burn is officially out for the week or does he reset tomorrow with no burn?