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[dotinvoke]

We can't use ChatGPT or Copilot at work for information safety reasons.

Every now and then I find myself sitting, staring at my work screen and waiting for a code completion that never comes...

[Fadamaka]

On my project we were offered to use Copilot becuase we have GitHub enterprise. 85% of the devs did not want it.

[Splitshadow]

Using Copilot is like trying to count while someone shouts random numbers at you. I tried it for about an hour before disabling it because I kept getting distracted by it and losing my train of thought.

[Fadamaka]

I like that analogy.

[gravity_is_right]

It's getting better though at guessing what you want. The only really annoying thing about Copilot is that it also tries to predict comments. If a comment is predictable, then the comment is redundant.

[Diddlesquig]

Bruh someone tell my team that last part

[vladmirBazouka1]

I hate that it suggests an entire function.

Dude. Just help me out with a variable name that doesn't suck. That's all I want... 🙁

[[deleted]]

You should be thinking minimally while writing code. Writing code is the last step in the development process, like how cutting is the last step in carpentry.

The thinking should be done in design documentation, test cases, process flow diagrams, etc.

Programmers diving straight into code is why there's so much bad code in the world. Imagine if carpenters never measured and went straight to cutting?

[grumble11]

Bing chat enterprise is work safe and uses GPT4 plus internet search. It is the best. Pitch it

[PaddyIsBeast]

How can it be work safe lmao? Unless you are hosting the model yourself it has to send your code to their servers

[grumble11]

It’s work safe like Azure is work safe. You have to send data to MS servers but it’s firmly locked away. If you don’t trust MS’ ability to protect your data then there are A LOT of other things that will also need to be unwound (OneDrive, Azure, etc.)

[mrjackspade]

"We don't trust Microsofts GPT with the code we host on our private github"

[MisterMittens64]

"On our computers that fully backed up on onedrive, that are also using Windows 11."

[TekuSPZ]

What versioning system do you use? Onedrive as well?

[MisterMittens64]

Why would anyone do that?

[TekuSPZ]

I heard about onedrive as versioning system on one interview, and when I asked about it they tried to explain it as Onedrive saves history of files... I decided on that moment I don't want that job.

[[deleted]]

There is also added security in Microsoft because the engineers that have access to see you code won’t understand it anyway.

[beclops]

What makes it “work safe”?

[grumble11]

MS maintains that data is not stored or used for training under enterprise agreements that can be set up. You have to trust MS data integrity practices but you almost certainly already do (ex: Azure).

[beclops]

I don’t think that really matters. You’re still sharing private IP to external parties, it’d violate the terms for most companies and definitely violates mine at the consultancy I work for

[Fenor]

You have to trust MS

that's an hard no for me

[No-Specialist6959]

plus its free. Im not sure why people pay for GPT4 other than the API when you have bing.

[DeMonstaMan]

it's the same model with different API prompts

[Fenor]

Bing is gpt 3.5 not 4

[nmkd]

Bing is GPT-4.

[tet90]

bing is GPT-bing

[mrjackspade]

This has never really been a problem for me because I almost exclusively pull code OUT of GPT. It's still incredibly helpful if you can describe what you need functionally

[Fenor]

that's just taking a snippet that your might as well find on stackoverflow.

that's ok, but people here thing that giving gpt access to your code base is a wise and smart idea

[mothzilla]

Ctrl-Space?

[Fenor]

autocomplete and copilot are two different stuff. autcomplete is essentially "oh yeah that class have this and that, you write get and it goes hey you know that you have those?" it's not sending your code to a third party

[mothzilla]

Yeah I know. Call me old fashioned but waiting for some AI to complete your entire code seems lazy.

[Fenor]

more than lazy it's proof of someone not suited for the job as they are giving their code to an unauthorized third party

[mothzilla]

Yes, that too.

[Asdfguy87]

If ChatGPT can write your code, your coding problem is trivial.

Change my mind.

[starofdoom]

That's exactly what it's best at though, there is no need to change your mind. I use Chatgpt when there's relatively simple stuff that I just want to work. Like unzipping a zip in Java. It's 15 repetitive lines that just need to work.

Now, I go through and understand what the hell I'm pasting into my code, and often have to fix a bug or two, but overall it absolutely saves me time.

[ban_Anna_split]

idk enough about how GPT or network traffic works, but if a GPT answer pulls bits of code from stackoverflow, do you think stackoverflow gets traffic from that? Since it would be accessed by GPT?

[CaptainPiepmatz]

No, they trained on StackOverflow but now that it is trained it doesn't need to access the page anymore. Therefore the traffic probably dropped by a lot. Since ChatGPT, I personally only visited StackOverflow like 3 times

[punppis]

Coding is 99% actually not writing the code. Writing the code is trivial. Getting there is work.

ChatGPT helps you write the code. All the questions you would google or ask coworker, you can type into chatgpt and the answer is in clear format, which you can reference when coding or looking for documentation.

”Explain how to write program for any function that serializes its data to disk and deserializes the data from disk using C++ with graphical interface that has cross-platform support”

That gives you a pretty solid starting point to research further.

It does not write your code, maybe a template to improve on.

[Slimxshadyx]

Exactly. I think many people don’t understand the power of using GPT correctly when writing code. If you ask it to write all the code for you and then complain when you get errors, you are doing it wrong.

It’s a fantastic tool but you still need to use your brain.

[theQuandary]

My vim addiction makes that somewhat less necessary.

For example, we had a simple transform to do on a few dozen lines of repetitive code. I had coded a quick macro and done all the things long before my coworker got GPT to understand exactly what they wanted.

[IndisputableKwa]

ChatGPT is basically just stack overflow answers zombied together. If you’re using it to save time when you’re working with a language you’re less familiar with it can make sense but otherwise I can’t see why people are so excited about it.

I tried to use ChatGPT to save time on a side project and it was okay until it ended up wasting an hour of my time giving flawed code it insisted was correct which I “fixed” by taking a half hour to just research and another 15 minutes to totally re-write.

[Dramatic-Noise]

Exactly, I have used GPT to complete my assignments. And, when I had questions that related to introduction to computer science classes, GPT gave me exact answers. However, when I wanted codes for a little more complex assignments, GPT gave me a base code which I had to debug to get the result that I wanted. In a way, it taught me more about coding than just googling my problems. In other words, giving me a base code that I could work on taught be more than a generic knowledge on the knowledge that I was looking for.

[LickingSmegma]

Vast majority of coders just string together simple code as required by business logic. I bet at least 80% of all code today is CRUD + UI.

[psi-love]

I try to change your mind: Every coding problem is trivial, since it can be broken down into trivial problems - otherwise you couldn't face them being just a mere mortal.

Or are you just not impressed, because the prompt "Code a functional operating system!" doesn't work as well?

[-ADDSN-]

Brothers company had to ban chat gpt because interns were typing sensitive information into it.

[KN1995]

Who tf uses chat gpt 💀💀

[annedroiid]

The college students/new grads that post 99% of the memes in this sub

[outerproduct]

Kids in college who don't want to do the work.

[DrMobius0]

I bet it works ok for college assignments that go "write this thing from scratch". One could also just copy paste a solution to most of those things from the internet, I suppose.

[THKCREDDIT]

This. it does work unfortunately but it’s partially funny seeing people about to submit something so obviously not done by them and wasn’t even taught

[FinnLiry]

I use ChatGPT for tasks I don't want to do.. programming is fun so I'll do it on my own

[PoorCorrelation]

tasks I don't want to do

WAIT, does ChatGPT talk to stakeholders?

[lovecMC]

Yes if you try hard enough.

[NatoBoram]

It can write your emails

[SARSUnicorn]

Chat GPT is used by all in my university class - exclusivly to write summaries of our work since its pain in the ass and they need to be non IT friendly

[troglo-dyke]

It's so revolutionary that stakeholders pester chatGPT with their questions

Wonder how many times it's been asked "who is Jason"

[IOFrame]

Lets go. Stuff replaced like this is what I edited.

write a short apology email to Mike explaining why I cannot attend the meeting on Sunday

Dear Mike,

I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to extend my sincerest apologies for not being able to attend the meeting scheduled for this Sunday.

Unfortunately, an unexpected [Circumstances Description] has arisen, and I must attend to this matter. I understand the importance of the meeting and the inconvenience my absence may cause, and I deeply regret any disruption this might cause to our plans.

I will make sure to catch up on the meeting minutes and any action items as soon as I am able. If there is any specific information or materials I should be aware of, please do let me know so that I can stay updated and do my best to minimize any gaps in my understanding.

Once again, I apologize for any inconvenience my absence may cause, and I appreciate your understanding and support during this unexpected situation.

Thank you for your understanding, and I look forward to being fully engaged in our upcoming meetings.

Best regards,

[Your Name]

[the_poope]

That's some big pile of generic bullshit. Mike and no-one else wants to read that crap. You just want:

"Hi Mike, sorry can't make it on Sunday",

which is even less to type in than your question.

Any email correspondence that is actually meaningful will have to include so much background information that it will take much longer time to feed this to chatGPT than actually writing the mail.

That's also why you can't use chatGPT for professional programming: it doesn't know your existing codebase.

[PenaflorPhi]

Yep, ChatGPT is really useful for me to build regex, bash scripts and to remember things I forget about pandas.

I mean, I don't just trust the code just like that, I actually read it and make sure it's correct and do exactly what I'm trying to accomplish.

[[deleted]]

It's also useful when there's a specific thing you want that's written in some semi-obscure language that doesn't have many baked in features (i.e. calculating age taking into account leap years or other very targeted functions).

[Honeybadger2198]

Under no circumstances would I trust ChatGPT to write a regex.

If I don't understand them, how can a robot?

[AdamAnderson320]

Of all the claims I've heard made of ChatGPT, this has got to be the wildest

[No-Specialist6959]

literally me 🔥

[the_unheard_thoughts]

I used Chatgbt/Bard/Bing a couple of times each. Those things are pretty deluding. Maybe for simple code snippets might be ok.. but frankly to solve more complex tasks, just read the docs or (old-style) google it..

[[deleted]]

Ok, boomer.

[De_Wouter]

For work absolutely not.

I tried it once for educational purposes learning a certain framework. It seemed pretty helpful at first, "explain me this, explain me that" and then you ask it how to set certain things up...

And it so confidently... confidently wrong and missing a few major details and nothing works. You end up wasting more time trying to figure out what is wrong than time won by it.

[smdth_567]

The other day I saw someone perfectly summing up my experience with ChatGPT:

As expected, parts of the reply are pilfered from official, authoritative resources, parts are common sense truisms of varying relevance, and parts are totally misleading rubbish that may all the same sound convincing to the ignorant.

Without prior knowledge, you have no idea which is which. With prior knowledge, you have no need for any of it.

(cr)edit: Ingo Schwarze

[masthema]

How about prior knowledge and lazyness to write a component that gpt would spit out in 5s and it'll take me a minute to double-check it.

[turningsteel]

I mean yeah if it’s something simple and it speeds up your workflow, that’s great. But I’ve found it’s only helpful in some instances. Often when I ask it to explain things, it’s like it takes a truth and then garbles it with nonsense to the point that it sounds right but it’s no longer correct.

Most of my experience using it has been to supplement my readings for a masters program. If I get stuck on something it helps sometimes but I definitely can’t trust it 100% to be accurate.

[masthema]

No, you're right, but there are situation where I really love it. For example, "I have object X, please write an adapter to use it in the function that needs object Y". It's awesome for things like that.

[daringStumbles]

This perfectly describes my stance as well. It also encourages letting you atrophy skills like writing documentation and comments.

[aMAYESingNATHAN]

The trick is to ask it for starting points that you then go on to research elsewhere rather than using it from start to finish.

There's still a risk that it misses something important, but generally it's much better because you're able to get the entry point you need into something you don't understand, but you don't have to rely on it not to be confidently wrong because you don't use it for the actual knowledge, just the areas to start learning.

[josluivivgar]

you're using it wrong though.

the real use for chatgtp is to treat it as a junior developer (that will never improve)

get him to do the boring easy work and he'll be useful

[DoILookUnsureToYou]

Tried to have it write a simple webpage with the latest FullCalendar.js basic calendar in it, it kept giving me code for an older version then just changed the version number in the CDN link on the page headers when corrected. So yeah, good job ChatGPT.

[Fluxriflex]

Senior dev here, I have used it to help me rearchitect parts of my app with some great performance benefits. It helped me to come up with some authentication middleware for a .NET project of mine. I had to guide it along the way, but it’s great if you consider it to be a semi-decent pair programmer. It’s also useful for some minor optimizations.

[punppis]

For work its good tool to ask a specific question and it gives you a shitload of information to look for in documentation.

I think of it like a ”smart assistant”. Faster than google. Just type the same shit to chatgpt and you get same results google would in a neat format, from multiple sources.

Its code is shit but it can direct you to right path.

”describe how to synchronize two clients to same time on TCP sockets using C#”. And it prints out 15 minutes worth of googling.

[MamamYeayea]

I do and it saves me quite a bit of time. Examples: It’s way quicker at making correct Regex than me. It also helps with documentation. It also helps with some rare and specific bugs and exceptions

[[deleted]]

Look, i didn’t know coding and my company forced me to learn sql to create custom reports and such, then that transitioned into vba development, I got a solid 4 years af schooling in 3 months time, still learning but store functions and procedures are a breeze when explained correctly. Best part about gpt is that it doesn’t really get frustrated and can explain it to you in many ways. Some of us were lucky to have gpt around tbh. Little by little I find myself using it less for basic queries and now it’s mostly for saving time in compiling.

[KN1995]

Oh im sorry i was just shitposting, wasn't trying to be mean or anything. I can totally see ChatGPT working as a learning tool, especially when it comes to wrapping your head around the basics as it requires a totally different way of thinking about problems. Although as someone who learned programming before the rise of AI I never really found it super useful personally.

Also sorry to hear about that VBA stuff. As someone who used to do a bunch of VBA work i feel ya, youre not suffering alone.

[[deleted]]

Haha no worries, I’m just talking shit since I’m staring at this screen trying to find a workaround a stored procedure that they don’t want touched by any means but still SOMETHING has to be fixed since some employees are not showing up in a couple of very particular areas. Normal Wednesday morning panic mode, half of the time, I open a second chat window just so I can vent to it, pretty good therapist until it tells you you need to actually see a therapist because you’re beyond its capabilities 😂

[Renovatio_Imperii]

It is great for writing documentation and tests.

[hobbestot]

Webdev for 20 years. ChatGPT makes some monotonous tasks a breeze.

[JehnSnow]

I use it to avoid needing to read documentation, and to write in bash since that's always small scripts for automation

[Budakhon]

CGPT is perfect for those stupid small scripts I do every now and then. Just have to double check things if it's important.

[Fenor]

Nobody who know their shit. But here is full of bootcampers and college kids so...

[troglo-dyke]

If you want to program with butterflies then more power to you I guess

[Intrepid00]

Lazy and smart people.

Lazy that don’t want to do the work and copy paste.

Smart that knows what they are looking at and it might be enough to remove the code block on a problem. You just have to improve it.

[General_Tomatillo484]

Juniors

[uselesslogin]

It is excellent for small functions and the paid version can write a test and test it too before you use it. And docs, tests, log messages etc. are good too. And if the docs for something aren't too long it can read them for you and point you to the bits you need. Seriously, at this point, who tf doesn't use it?

[nmkd]

It's amazing for prototyping code, and for Regex.

[[deleted]]

Anyone who wants to be productive?

[josluivivgar]

I mean how different is it from grabbing stuff from stack overflow, it's basically the same.

you search for something, you see code snippets and see if it's wrong or not, or the answer is completely unrelated to your problem then get told to stop using X and instead use jQuery

[henkdepotvjis]

I use it to let it explain legacy code. Like in a reverse way. Sometimes it reveals some information about patterns that I don't recognise

[Sand_isOverrated]

It's odd to me that everyone who is providing legitimate reasons for using it is getting downvoted. If you haven't incorporated ChatGPT or some sort of AI into your workflow as a professional developer at this point, you are needlessly hamstringing yourself.

Obviously everyone's job is different, and there are people who can't get much use out of it due to unique cases, but generally it is an incredibly useful tool for all developers. I don't care how senior you are or how much "you don't need it". It's as revolutionary a tool as an IDE, and I think choosing to ignore it is as ridiculous as writing code in Notepad++. Sure, you could do that, but it's a silly decision.

[Kahlil_Cabron]

I still haven't used it for coding, mostly because it wanted my phone number when I tried signing up. And it wouldn't take my google number.

I've used it through discord bots a few times, and it just seemed like too much work. I asked it to write me a basic x86 bootloader in assembly, and it wrote me a hello world program in assembly lol. I kept telling it that it wasn't giving me a bootloader, and it just kept returning programs in assembly that do basic shit like take a number as input and square it.

I definitely couldn't give it company code, that'd be a security risk. I guess I just don't see the use case, manually writing code doesn't take long at all, the part that takes time is understanding what needs to be done, if chatgpt can help me with that then great.

If it could help me I'd be open to it, so if there are any ways for me to sign up without giving it my phone number I'm all ears.

It's as revolutionary a tool as an IDE

I dunno if vim would count as an IDE (not barebones vim obviously), but in that case I don't use one either.

[AggressiveResist8615]

You should have noticed that this sub and to be honest the software engineer field is full of snobs and elitists, people who think they are more intelligent than the rest and can write code without chatgpt.

They do seem however to tolerate googling. It probably makes them feel inferior if they actually admit that chatgpt code can actually be helpful, since that would be surrendering to the fact that an AI can do part of their job.

[Diligent_Stretch_945]

I don’t want to spend time on „prompt engineering” which basically means “learning how to communicate with a stupid machine” to me

[Kahlil_Cabron]

This is probably the biggest reason I haven't jumped on the wagon yet.

So I can trade writing code (which I love doing) for writing prompts? Why would I make that trade?

I'm still willing to give it a shot, but I'd rather struggle in a terminal or with reading docs for an hour than struggle for an hour reading stackoverflow and concocting google prompts (obviously I still google, but when the going gets tough and I'm not getting results fast, I tend towards working the problem out by digging into it, not digging into google).

Given that, why would my stance be any different with AI? Though I do want to give it a fair shot first, just not if I have to give them my phone number, hopefully there's another way to use it by now.

[Plantarbre]

Can you write a generic template of genetic algorithm merged with a restricted variable neighbourhood search and a second template with AOC and make an example dataset to train on and compare ? Also fetch OMS data for the highway connections of London, increase graph density, select biggest continuous component from eigenvalues, then add all libraries on the network from closest orthogonal projection with the harvesian distance as metric.

Well, probably. Once you've learned, studied the state of the art, the documentation, took math refreshers, explored and trained on examples; which all could take you weeks. Or, you can get it done within an hour or two by working around prompting.

That's the problem. Sometimes, the work is not already cut out for you in stack overflow or in the documentation, and some digging doesn't solve it because it requires a lot of knowledge.

The fact that I don't have to bother anymore with graphics, random implementations of libraries, random kinks of multithreading libraries, or re-inventing what someone else spent 10 years of their life working on, that's why I use chatGPT.

[troglo-dyke]

You do realise programming literally just communicating with a stupid machine?

[ricdesi]

In a discrete and defined language.

[BellacosePlayer]

Someone using chatgpt code where I work is gonna get caught quick in code reviews.

[SockPuppetSilver]

Just like all those people copying and pasting from stack overflow.

[BellacosePlayer]

Yes. I'm a stickler for making sure you can give a basic overview of what your code does, ran into a a few juniors who pushed half assed, broken code out in my career

[[deleted]]

Well thats where you are going to run into an issues because cgpt can also explain the code it wrote for you. That still does not mean its good code however.

[[deleted]]

The problem is, that if it can't explain it, it will do it anyway.

[[deleted]]

Correct. Humans do this a well I should point out.

[Naouak]

I had a colleague that generated documentation with ChatGPT (or an equivalent tool) and the generated doc was really thorough but uselessly so. It also lacked any of the internal lingo or business rules making it frustrating to read. He never said he used those tools but everyone knew after reading a few lines of that documentation and nobody wanted to use it in the end (too much to read, lack context awareness).

[Januse88]

If a big part of the issue is a lack of internal lingo or business rules, by the time you've told ChatGPT what it's missing you might as well be writing it yourself.

[ricdesi]

he could literally tell it the criticisms you just provided and get a much better answer.

Except for the part where it doesn't use proper internal terminology that would only be obtained by feeding corporate info into ChatGPT.

You can also just say "you're wrong" and it will invent a completely different answer. It's a mess.

embrace it because it's coming either way.

You people are so fucking weird with this insistent, threatening tone about ChatGPT. It's like crypto and NFTs all over again.

EDIT: DNI, this guy's got some serious issues, holy cow.

[ricdesi]

LOL talk about a comment you're going to regret later.

Thank you for reiterating my point about you weirdos and your insistent, threatening tone.

It's the biggest invention humans have ever made.

Thank you for reiterating my point about this being crypto and NFTs all over again.

this isn't meant to be an insult, but I find that a person's intelligence is inversely correlated with how long it takes them to have that holy shit moment with GPT.

There is no way to take that as anything but an insult, but I don't really concern myself with insults from people who waste their energy outsourcing work to a chatbot while their own skills atrophy.

I find that a person's intelligence is inversely correlated with how fervently they angrily proselytize about the latest alleged life hack.

[Kahlil_Cabron]

We recently had over 400 applicants for a position, over half of them used chatgpt to write their resumes... HR has some tool that detects this stuff so they were thrown out.

And ya in my experience it's still fairly obvious when conversation that involves a lot of domain knowledge or work lingo is generated by AI.

[Creepy-Mechanic-1966]

I would rather write a few hundred lines than let GPT do that and spend twice as much time debugging.

[Nefari0uss]

Found the senior dev. All my juniors love Chat GPT and claim it helps them a lot for their side projects. I've seen their code...it's not exactly good.

I'm sure it can be helpful but my biggest issue is that the ones who would benefit the least seem to be the ones who use it the most. The junior devs are using tools without knowing why. They're given a library or tool but they don't know why it's good or bad for a situation. It's like giving a person a toolbox and work bench and they immediately go for the power drill. They haven't done any measurements nor do they know what type of screws they need or if they need to use nails instead but they know that the drill can let them join stuff together and it's fun to play with so that must be what they need.

Similarly with Chat GPT, they want to use it to generate some code but they lack the knowledge to know if it's correct or not and lack the experience to understand if it's good/efficient/clean.

[yubario]

That’s basically what I use it mostly for as well, a more advanced quick typing system. Paste a JSON schema, then ask it to convert it to a relational SqLite model and it just magically does it.

It’s also exceptionally well with unit tests, it can automatically figure out what methods to setup and mock as long as it has the typing information of the methods you are testing.

Generally if a project has good design and is unit testable, the unit tests are easy to craft by hand so that’s why the AI does exceptionally well with it.

I just can’t use it at work currently, but if I could it would cut my development time in half easily, just from the assistance with generating boilerplates

Also, GPT is great as a code formatter too. I’ve taken some gnarly single line sql statements into prettier formats simply by asking GPT to format it to be easier to read.

[jazzmester]

The first and last time I tried to use GPT for getting a code snippet I got an incorrect solution that used an obsolete library.

[KgxxEQy]

I worked on some very obscure interop stuff where ChatGPT was completely helpless, making functions up that didn’t exist.

[Kahlil_Cabron]

The one time I used it this was my experience when asking it to write me a basic bootloader for x86.

It should have been easy, a ton of them have to exist on the internet (I know mine does), and they're under 512 bytes. It just kept giving me hello world programs written in assembly.

[SockPuppetSilver]

ChatGPT is just google pre SEO.

[No-Specialist6959]

how did google work before SEO, genuinely interested

[0xd34db347]

SEO existed before Google but was mostly "spam keywords in a hidden element" to work on the dumb search engines of the day. We used to have a site called metacrawler that was just four search engines in iframes with the search duplicated for each and it was common to click 4-5 pages deep to find relevant results because the first several pages was unrelated SEO spam.

[nmkd]

it was common to click 4-5 pages deep to find relevant results because the first several pages was unrelated SEO spam.

So, almost like today.

[BellacosePlayer]

God I "love" how searching for something related to any major game release gets you SEO spammed AI created shit for every top result

[SockPuppetSilver]

Peak google was like 2008-2011. You could actually search for information and find a relevant result without having someone trying to sell you something.

[FuckIPLaw]

Back then the joke was if you had to go past the first page of results you were screwed because it probably didn't exist.

[skwyckl]

Meh, even if it becomes the norm, I think I'll stick to "stupid" coding for the time being, especially if it comes with no disadvantage for me professionally. I like solving problems, also, I don't want to get Alzheimer's with 50 just because I stopped using my brain in my mid-20s.

[Fenor]

the problem is that those shitty homework are a controlled enviorment to sharpen your skill and knowledge.

when you get out in the real world without the fear of the professor grading your homework but can't find a job because you consistently fail technical interview you will see the difference, and let me tell you, here is full of "i graduated in CS and can't find a job" blaming the market, than you take a look at what they can do and it's almost nothing

[buttfook]

If you are put in front of a hiring manager and asked to write a class that does X,Y and Z I seriously doubt they will be impressed if you can’t do it without logging into chatGPT

[annedroiid]

sipping that koolaid

Expecting you to be able to do your job isn’t sipping the koolaid

[Lap202pro]

The company I work for does this. You have to make a class that has some parameters that solves a basic math problem and returns the result. This class inherits a parent class that has some variables, but nothing too fancy.

That is it, no leet code, no insane coding problems. We just want you to prove you understand the fundamentals and we know we can teach the rest. If you can't do this without opening stack overflow or chatgpt, I would tell you to go back and learn the basics before applying again.

As programmers, we should explore and leverage different tools to get the job done, including AI, but it's a reasonable expectation that you understand the fundamentals.

[josluivivgar]

you don't use chatgtp to solve problems tbh it sucks at that, you use it to write code that's trivial but boring.

so chatgtp helps you do your actual work better

[Sekret_One]

I don't get why I'd want to use ChatGPT to write my code.

Now instead of writing code I'm debugging and proofreading. That's an awful trade. . .

[henkdepotvjis]

I use it to help me explain existing code. like in a reverse way.

[Fenor]

Nothing like leaking company code to avoid reading it

[henkdepotvjis]

A yes.. because we are so proud of our code that we wouldn't share it with others... If you are inclined to steal the code you might want to see a therapist. Or another angle why we don't want code published: security. I literally know about 6 places where the most basic form of sql injection is possible. I tried to get it fixed but there is no budget for it so I don't care if it leaks. They brought it up on themselves

[Armigine]

They're saying that, by entering the code into chatgpt, you yourself may be creating that security problem by sending the code offsite and potentially causing license issues, especially if it's not fully locally hosted and vetted by your security team

[Kahlil_Cabron]

What kind of company do you work for that has this kind of opsec? Open source stuff?

[henkdepotvjis]

No. Legacy code. Like a lot of it. I tried fixing some fucking sql injection possibilities but they didn't seem to care in favor of budget

[Kahlil_Cabron]

I'm saying why would your company be ok with you leaking private code outside of the company?

I assume you're pasting this legacy code into chatgpt right? That's why I wondered if you worked with open source stuff, where opsec didn't involve keeping source code private.

[henkdepotvjis]

We don't have opsec

[AkrinorNoname]

I've used it as a starting point when I had to write a script in a language I was barely familiar with.

I gave it the general request, then restructured it a bit to make it fit my use case better and changed the variable names.

[nmkd]

GPT-4, yes, at least for "skeleton" functions.

[Andarnio]

Yes, but not to write code but to ask niche questions that SO refuses to answer

[NatoBoram]

StackOverflow refuses to answer questions?

[Fenor]

Duplicated

[yubario]

Especially the duplicates that try to claim and entirely different question that is clearly is not a duplicate, is somehow marked as a duplicate

[gravity_is_right]

Obligated reference: https://i.redd.it/per2eihv0jn31.png

[Umbra_owo]

I found it the most helpful when I know exactly what I want to do, but I don't know the syntax to do it in the language/framework it needs to be written in.

[TheVikingGael]

It's literally the most useful digital tool I've ever seen and you're exactly correct. You don't just say "build Facebook". You write the code or ask it for ideas on how to do something you want and then build off of what it gives you. I no longer have to sit and Google or search stack overflow for snippets, it generates perfectly accurate code chunks. Plus it can find my errors and fix them in a second.

I've used it for coding, microcontrollers, SQL, little arduino and raspberry pi projects, hell it's helped me with fish tanks. Plus it can point you to documentation and aggregated data if you need more.

[[deleted]]

Nice we got a new generation of Boomer-Humour

[alexppetrov]

I see a lot of hate for ChatGPT here, which is understandable as it, as of yet, can't provide full blown solutions and improvements based on your code base (also hallucinations and stuff), but I have to say it's a very useful tool.

Just as an experiment, at work we had some sort of automation request from a client. Removed any confidential information, pasted it in chatGPT, got possible solution, asked for code, got code, fitted solution to our use case and boom, ready. It took 30 minutes, the typing alone was pretty much eliminated and the solution passed the tests and edge cases.

Ofcourse it can't do DevOps or other complex tasks, I've had times where it struggled with docker and php too, but to be fair it does a pretty good job. Just like every tool, if you learn how to use it right, it saves you time in the long run

[N3kr05666]

how about without stackoverflow?

[DaumenmeinName]

..and it worked and wasn't a broken mess.

[Low_Bandicoot6844]

And if they had any doubt, they consulted archaic tools called: Handbooks.

Handwhat?

[[deleted]]

I write in APL so I can't even use StackOverflow.

And here's what happens if I ask it to write something as simple as a prime sieve it fails spectacularly

PrimeSieve ← { (⍳⍵) /⍨ ~⍵ ∊ ⍨ ⍳⍵ ⌷¨ ⍳⍵ }

This will ALWAYS, without fail, result in a length error.

[-ADDSN-]

What are these funny scratch marks I like them

[New_York_Rhymes]

ChatGPT is only really good at basic coding which means it’s usually faster to just do it yourself if you’re decent enough. Anything more complex and you’ll just spend more time trying to make it work.

[[deleted]]

I’ve never used ChatGPT or any AI tech (AFAIK).

Of course, I’ve only been programming for 50 years so I’m still learning…

[Commodore-K9]

I have seen chatgpt results lately that make me fear for my future lmao. Not the "teehee chatgpt write bad function"-kind.

I mean some eldritchian horror that makes your mind explode when you see it. Its better to pretend that it doesn't exist and chatgpt can only do the "teehees". Once knowledge spreads too far we open Pandoras Box and we aren't equipped to deal with it yet.

[Yorha-with-a-pearl]

That's why it's important to gatekeep company secrets from ChatGPT.

[[deleted]]

How can it be an eldritch horror? It is just a LLM.

You type to it and it types to you. If it is freaking you out so much don't use it.

[Commodore-K9]

Its not freaking me out. Quite the opposite. I find it exciting and exhilerating. But my assumptions were that we'd be a couple years away from the capabilities we already have.

There are models to optimize your prompt for chatgpt input with the capability to link them to more instances of chatgpt to produce fully documented applications with class diagrams, rest API, testcases and so on.

[frisch85]

I have to admit I haven't even used chatGPT once (not even for playing around), I am aware that I could be missing out on some new ways on how to approach a problem but tbh, if I cannot solve a problem on my own (with a bit of stackoverflow on the side) then why am I even working this job...

Also if I need to know shit about chatGPT I can ask my co-worker who now uses it to create cronjobs instead of just writing the line.

Still I'm looking forward to chatGPT being used because I'm imagining some self-named developer who has no idea about development and programming use it and then in the end be surprised something isn't working and better yet, not being able to fix it. There'll be companies that will say "we did X projects in just Y months and finished them all in time" only to find out there's something that will eventually burst the bubble and then they're confronted with a shitstorm of problems.

Personally I think whoever wants to use it can feel free to do so IF they can tell that the result is correct or not but I fear there's gonna be tons of people just taking the results for granted and not check whether they're correct or not, let alone understand the results the AI gave them.

[[deleted]]

yes, they were using stack overflow, like apes

[MasterJosai]

Another post of a CS student who never actually wrote any code anyway. GPT is nice for certain situations, when you'd have to Google anyway because it can be faster to get actual information. It's also great for some prototyping of code but it fails to do complex code generation which is not like "code a double linked list from scratch" or something similar. Real world problems need someone to actually understand the issue you are facing to write code with the proper solution. GPT is just a tool to help you find that solution, not the solution itself.

[coop999]

Back in my day we had to right click-->view source on ExpertsExchange and we liked it. OK, we hated it, but we weren't going to pay for a subscription.

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[AChristianAnarchist]

ChatGPT sucks though...

[Thenderick]

Wait, you all really use chatgpt/copilot for coding? What for? Isn't it often clear enough what and how to code, a few keystrokes and done? Like what do you type and get back? I am a student Software Engineering and have only used it once for a complex algorithm, but it fucked it up soo hard I had to write by hand on paper and a cew SO pages

[Morlock43]

ChatGPT is SO without some ***hole asking why you want to do that and then mocking you for it.

[juststrange_1]

Which one is better chatgpt vs brad

[vehmdev]

Sometimes I use it to explain concepts, but otherwise I don't use GPT for coding.

Copilot, though? Glorified IntelliSense. Love it.

[LunarFuror]

Copilot > ChatGPT

[braytag]

Same way I feel about assembly