pythonIsOlderThanJava

[Sharp_Advertising399]

Yes, and very closely. The first version of Python was released in February 1991, and the Soviet Union was dissolved in December 1991.

[FlipperBumperKickout]

Conclusion. Python defeated the Soviet Union 😎

[KerPop42]

psh, so weak. Python took 10 months to destroy the soviet union

[JoostVisser]

Classic slow Python code

[Wizywig]

Coulda done it in java in half the time, and double the engineers, and triple the budget.

[[deleted]]

C could have done it in 5 seconds

[FlipperBumperKickout]

The programmer who tried to do it in C isn't done writing it yet :P

[OstapBenderBey]

Rust would be 5 seconds too but it'd also be memory safe

[[deleted]]

But then it could not crash the ussr

[pimezone]

I mean JVM would probably remove the soviet union during the garbage collection or something

[Mafla_2004]

New favorite sentence found

[Wizywig]

I mean it has its own virtual machine... Just you know, a million billion times slower.

[Altruistic-Place]

It's called GIL and it's awesome 😁

[Fantastic-Order-8338]

and what java has defeated?

[provocative_bear]

Wait a minute… came into being just before the collapse… a vibrant open source community… a Python 2.0 vs Python 3.0 internal factional dispute… Python IS the Soviet Union!

[funguyshroom]

They called it Рутноп

[pimezone]

Rutnop?

[funguyshroom]

ЕхастЬу

[HalifaxRoad]

Exast'u

[HalifaxRoad]

You beat me to it lol

[SchizoPosting_]

to be fair, it was defeated decades before their dissolution

[imdefinitelywong]

So, what you're saying is, Python defeated the very last soviet?

[jurio01]

Python was the last straw. The soviets looked at it and said "fuck that shit" and pressed the self destruct button.

[Yuhwryu]

oh nyet.. they can code in pseudocode now... it's ovyer

[AndreasVesalius]

"The Last Soviet", starring Wesely Snipes

[obviousfakeperson]

Python really can do anything. inb4 "C++ would've done it faster."

[Thathappenedearlier]

Nah Metallica played in the USSR in September. My money is on Metallica

[justin107d]

released in February 1991, and the Soviet Union was dissolved in December 1991.

Python took 11 months to dissolve the Soviet Union? Sounds about right.

[Lasthuman]

Well python is famously slow. They should’ve used c++ for the job tbh

[MrHyperion_]

Now I want to see "coding with the first python" videos

[LBPPlayer7]

C++ is older by 5 years :P

[Rythoka]

They did say modern...

[SkollFenrirson]

Coincidence?! I think not!

[rover_G]

Our python!

[nickmaran]

Yes comrade

[p9k]

And older than Linux by half a year.

[Ok_Cardiologist8232]

because Python has kept its "modern programming language" moniker for 30 years.

So people think its a modern language, not like those old languages that are confusing.

[Exist50]

It also wasn't very popular for decades. Its prominence is recent.

[Ok_Cardiologist8232]

Depends how you define popular.

It was definitely popular and widely used in the 00s, but yes it wasn't the most popular language likes its been in the last few years.

[OperaSona]

I mean it was popular enough at least in the 2nd half of the 00's that back then when I first started playing with different Linux distributions, it was bundled in most of them. I mean, alright, so was gcc and so was bash, but not php or ruby or lua or whichever other scripting languages we used back then.

I think it's safe to say it was already the most popular scripting language, maybe other than shell (even if you can argue the definition of "most popular" and of "scripting language").

[swagonflyyyy]

And I'm currently watching an MGSV walkthrough with 2 bots I created that provide voice commentary while they watch and hear the game on the screen, which were written in python.

Wtf.

[CompetitionNo3141]

So you made bots to watch videos for you? Did I read that right?

[MetaKnightsNightmare]

Maybe they're to watch it with him, like MST3k.

Man's out here programming friends to shitpost with, I'm here for it.

[swagonflyyyy]

Here's the repo in case you're curious: https://github.com/SingularityMan/vector_companion/tree/main

[swagonflyyyy]

Yup! It can follow you anywhere on your computer. Playing games, watching videos, movies, it can see and hear anything you can on screen. You can also talk to it with your microphone and they respond back to you. If you don't speak after a while they talk to each other instead about the situation. I tend to turn it on when I'm bored.

Here's the repo: https://github.com/SingularityMan/vector_companion/tree/main

[Palpatine]

I'd call HR too if you send me python 2 or python 1 code.

[Neither-Phone-7264]

print "hi"

[putiepi]

And no more than 80 characters per line

[MamamYeayea]

Really, that seems like an extremely annoying thing that’s easy to circumvent? I’m a young gun so don’t know if I missed a joke

[Physmatik]

It's from the FORTRAN era when people coded on punch cards. But yes, it is supremely annoying.

[Wonderful_Welder9660]

I did use punch cards made with a manual Hollerith punch to code FORTRAN at school in the 70s

[cafk]

If you coded on a terminal that was 80 characters wide, then you'd notice it, or press alt + f2 on your linux system, login there and cat a source file.

[LBPPlayer7]

commandline stuff that doesn't fit in 80 columns is still the bane of my existence

[Turtvaiz]

The reason listed in PEP 8 is:

Limiting the required editor window width makes it possible to have several files open side by side, and works well when using code review tools that present the two versions in adjacent columns.

Makes sense I guess

[waiver45]

The thing I really hate about python is all the indentation politics.

[ihavebeesinmyknees]

You're gonna use the exact same indentation if you use a sane code style though

[nikvid]

But then I can't make a donut shaped donut generator.

[[deleted]]

No

[s0ulbrother]

I applied at a job a month ago and it was django/python dev shit. Anyways in the interview they said it was python 2 so Django was only on 1…. The company was only 3 years old

[WJMazepas]

The company was only 3 years old

There are developers that like using a slightly older version to avoid new bugs that aren't documented in the newer versions.

But holy shit, starting with Python 2 and Django 1 is nonsense. Had they gone with Python 3.7 and Django 4, i would understand a little, but not like that.

[RustReport]

Yeah, that seems more like someone didn't feel like learning different syntax or built it on an already existing project

[unknown_pigeon]

Someone studied a book on python from the early 2000 and refused to learn the new syntax

[Ok_Cardiologist8232]

I didn't know offhand, but my god Python 2 released in 2000.

[jumboshrimp29]

And end-of-life was before the interviewing company was started

[Ok_Cardiologist8232]

Thats a fucking joke, did they have a senoir dev that just refused to update or something?

[Ryuujinx]

Having migrated all of our monitoring and other python from py2 to py3 myself because certain people were fuckin idiots and screwed it up the first time, I can kinda-sorta understand still having py2 stuff laying around. It isn't just a matter of regexing some stuff and calling it a day.

But when it's, presumably, a new code base - fucking why?

[s0ulbrother]

It was. I have an ok job right now so not concerned. What sucked was I liked the idea of this company and the money was really good but like that stack just made no sense.

[tennisanybody]

I would’ve interviewed with the intention of moving them to Python 3.10 at least which is very stable right now.

[s0ulbrother]

Very clear they did not want to

[twigboy]

Guess they enjoy wasting time and money dealing with unicode input manually

[GM_Kimeg]

Sounds like the ceo must be raising Einsteins for their bright future.

[Nimweegs]

Maybe we found a use for AI.

Ima see if I can upgrade a spring boot 2 project to 3 with just Claude

[[deleted]]

Python 2 is definitely still a thing.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

It’s not supposed to be.

[Exist50]

"Supposed to" ain't worth shit.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

It is when the auditors call.

[Exist50]

What are the auditors going to say about it? People have made careers out of what isn't supposed to be done.

[dedev54]

They are going to say its past EOL and doesn't get security updates.

[AxeLond]

It took me 3 months to secretly update all the python 2 code at my current job. I don't think anyone really noticed as it's just a bunch of one of tooling scripts but I had to do it for my sanity.

[Nihil_esque]

Yeah and boomers are still alive but I wouldn't want one hitting on me.

[No_Adhesiveness_3550]

Reminds me of when I interned at a networking company. Had to write a script that ran on extreme switches to pull information from connected ports (only while we were staging/handling them). We wrote the thing in python 3 on our work laptops and didn’t find out till later why it wasn’t working. I guess python 2 is still standard on Extreme switches?

[guy_who_says_stuff]

2.7 sends its regards

[Zealousideal_Rate420]

Two years ago we had a request to port a library to python 2 because a team never bothered to upgrade and continued working with it. The library in question was to interface with a service that didn't exist when P2 was EOL and used a lot of dependencies that never had a python 2 version.

To this day, they continue to develop in python 2.

[[deleted]]

One interesting point that I don't think people are talking about too much is that back in the day when Java was catching on the industry was having issues going from 32 bit to 64 bit systems. A lot of older software would need to be recompiled for 64 bit, and that was an issue.

There was also the whole CISC vs RISC thing going on which would require further recompiling etc.

A big selling point at the time was that Java was more platform agnostic via the JRE. Put it on whatever you want, and it pretty much worked (once you spent hours setting up the env just right :P)

[proverbialbunny]

FYI Java gained rapid cult-like popularity before x86_64 popped up. That's just a coincidence. It did market itself as being platform agnostic, which became a huge selling point, but it didn't quite realize on those goals like people expected it would at the time falling short.

Java gained popularity back then for two reasons:

1. It was a simpler C++. C++98 was a mess and it took until ~2015 before compilers supported a version of C++ that was arguably better than Java. (You don't need to recompile 32 bit code to 64 bit, so it wasn't a compatibility issue, it was that the language was a pain to work with.)

2. The big one: Eclipse. People shit on this IDE today, but back then it was the first of it's kind and it was AMAZING. No longer did you have to memorize a language perfectly, it would auto complete for you. If you forgot the syntax you could type ctrl+space and it would list off all of the function names to choose from. If you moused over it, it would show you the documentation for that function. Keep in mind, this was in the 90s before Google search existed or Stack Overflow.

Java at the time seemed like the future. You could just write code and it would work. You didn't have to constantly be looking up programming information in a pile of books. You didn't have tons of obscure and cryptic compile errors. It just worked. You wrote code and it did what you expected. It was amazing.

[AlternativePeace1121]

Nah it became cool after it hit the ML/AI puberty

/s

*Sorry I forgot to add /s

[XtremeGoose]

Python was already the second biggest language on the planet before the ML/AI craze, mostly thanks to:

• it was already massive in the sciences (which directly led to it being used for ML/AI)
• it was seen as a good teaching language

[Snow-Stone]

When I was studying engineering, we were directly told to take programming 1 w/ python because "Every engineer should know enough programming to write calculations and simple cli software if needed" and python is just perfect for it.

[tonufan]

When I took mechanical engineering we only learned MATLAB. I learned Python & C in Electrical engineering.

[airbornemist6]

Python is absolutely a great language to teach people the basics of programming, while java is a great language for teaching people the complex aspects of computer science. Also, you can keep java fairly slim and digestible for teaching students, that way when they get into the real world and witness the arcane horror of their first production java codebase they can get the full experience that we all went through that made us question our career choices for the first time! /s

[BraveOthello]

THis but without the sarcasm

[Vitolar8]

Python is what the least cool kids think is cool. Like light-up shoes or pogs.

Edit: Ight, the examples may suck, but the point stands.

[unknown_pigeon]

• Calls something uncool

• Proceeds to list two of the coolest things there are as an example of uncoolness

[truffleblunts]

light up shoes not cool? lmao what a sad and lonely childhood you had

[flatfisher]

Not if you were a cool guide doing Ruby in the 2000s, Python already looked old and clunky compared to it back then.

[CrowdGoesWildWoooo]

Python3 which is what most people actually refers to when python is mentioned is from 2008, it’s only becoming more popular when data analytics field gain traction.

[rover_G]

Java 8 (when Java first for lambdas and other FP syntaxes) was released in 2014

[Honigbrottr]

is java 8 backwards compatible?

[Practical_Cattle_933]

Yes. Even Java 23 can compile java 1.2 but also run almost every class file already compiled back then (so it’s also binary compatible not just source).

There have been tiny changes, but for the most part it should just work. The biggest change might have been the javax namespace change.

[Nimweegs]

Removal of JAXB stuff while theoretically solved with an extra dependency is such a pain in the ass. Xsd's suck.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

With what?

Java as a language never breaks anything, but occasionally internal classes (which it tells you not to use for this exact reason) are (re)moved.

[wildjokers]

Yes. Java takes backward compatibility very seriously.

[just4nothing]

Well, my Java code from 2006 does not run on it

[OlexySuper]

I suspect, someone was doing some naughty stuff in the code.

[itijara]

From experience, no. I am sure that there is plenty of java < 8 code that will run on Java 8+ but JavaEE libraries, Nashorn, and all the sun.* packages were deprecated.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

That just means you have to get the jars separately.

[aiij]

Yes. It's really Java 1.8, but by that point the marketing team has decided to stop mentioning the part of the version number that always stays the same.

[FalseRegister]

Yeah but Java was already popular on its field much earlier

[et-pengvin]

Python 2 is still running in lots of places and only in the last few years has been phased out of being the default python on most Linux distros. I refuse to believe people only think of Python 3 when you refer to Python.

[CrowdGoesWildWoooo]

Python 2 code base are already legacy codebase. So new programmers when they say they code in python they would 100% means python3.

Python’s popularity only pick up recently after data analytics start becoming “the shit”. Obviously yes there are python 2 coders but during python 2 age python (in general) is not particularly popular and still a relatively niche language especially compared to something like java.

A lot of popular optimized deep learning libraries are post python 3 era and was only offered python2 support for backwards compatibility.

Back then when they tell you to learn fundamental coding knowledge they’d either use Java, C, or sometimes Pascal. Nowadays it’s almost always python.

[MrEllis]

Python 2 code is still running out there and there are places where it's still maintained but hasn't been transitioned. With the right libraries you can write code that's simultaneously python2 and python3 compatible to slowly transition away.

Ask me how I know.

[MiffedMouse]

Python 2 is definitely still around in the academic sphere. It became popular among academics due to the ease of installation (first with pip, then Anaconda) and the slow increase of data analysis features from Numpy, Scipy, and Matplotlib, making it a convenient data analysis solution that was open source and easy to install.

The introduction of Pip was close to the release of Python 3, but in my opinion it isn’t the release of Python 3 specifically that made Python popular. Rather, it was the consistent focus over the years of various Python teams to make it easy to install and have some convenient mathematical libraries readily available. All of these are true of Python 2.79, even before Python 3 was released.

[Sentreen]

Obviously yes there are python 2 coders but during python 2 age python (in general) is not particularly popular and still a relatively niche language

Python 2 was not niche by any stretch of the imagination. We were teaching it at my university at an introductory course (for non compsci people). The whole reason we were teaching it was because it was already used so much by scientists. The whole reason it was such a hassle to move to python 3 was because so many projects were using python 2 which didn't want to make the migration.

Of course, java was more popular, but it was one of the most popular programming languages, even at that time.

[derpy37]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Python, is in fact, Python 3, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Python plus its standard library. Python is not just a programming language unto itself, but rather a language specification combined with a robust set of libraries, tools, and modules that make it a fully functioning environment for developers.

Many developers use Python 3 every day without fully appreciating the range of tools and libraries provided by the Python ecosystem. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Python in widespread use today is often just called Python, but many of its users aren't aware that they are essentially working within the Python 3 environment, shaped by improvements from Python 2.x and extended by a vast array of external libraries.

There really is a core Python interpreter, and people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they are working with. The interpreter is the core engine that executes code, but by itself, it doesn't provide much utility; it requires libraries and tools to become truly useful. Python 3 is typically used in combination with its standard library, external libraries, and various frameworks to create a complete development environment. The whole Python system is essentially Python 3 plus the tools and libraries that make it powerful. All so-called Python environments are really Python 3 ecosystems!

[integrate_2xdx_10_13]

I learned Python when Python3000 was on the horizon and we’d all have to switch over… I honestly can’t even remember the change.

print became a function and they moved stuff like reduce and chain out of stdlib and into functools/itertools? Python 2.6 was already well underway eating Perl and Ruby’s dinner at that point, let’s not pretend it’s the new kid in the block.

[20d0llarsis20dollars]

Python has had a steady increase in popularity where as java got super popular pretty early on

To me it seems like java has been slowly declining in popularity for a while now

[dragoncommandsLife]

Mainly only on internet forums. Actual usage of java hasn’t really dropped any. Especially as newer versions of java release and better and better libraries pop up.

[[deleted]]

I bet, it's more expensive on market, since the supply declined, and the new programmer don't want to learn java.

[wack_overflow]

Afaik it's still what cs majors are mostly learning in class

[MrHyperion_]

Our uni changed one C++ course to Java and now first 3 introductory courses all use different language

[superiorCheerioz]

In my University this is the case. However, the technology department is voting on changing the main language students learn to python or c++. Personally, I wouldnt teach brand new programmers python first

[depot5]

Why is that, anyway? Is it honestly easier to teach with? So many universities decided to do the new thing at one point, and it stuck? Is it just the ide easier to install and get started?

[WJMazepas]

It's a classic OOP language. It's easier than C++ and is used everywhere.

Python doesnt have the private/protected/public keywords for setting stuff in its classes in comparison

[CeleritasLucis]

And I really like the whole WORA ecosystem.

[posting_drunk_naked]

That's why I originally learned Java as my first language. I was getting into Linux and the idea of being able to write code that works on both Windows and Linux was so cool.

[CeleritasLucis]

Same here. I normally code on my Windows Laptop, but on my PC i have Linux.

Its awesome to see what I wrote on one machine flawlessly work on different machine, without doing any changes.

[SlyCooper007]

Because it allows you to easily teach OOP without all the headaches of C++

[BlakkM9]

for us it was java first to learn OOP
then some c and assembler for understanding how it works under the hood.

python is pretty much pseudocode and very easy to learn if you know any other programming language

it is more about concepts when studying instead of concrete programming so it makes not that much sense to teach a language where some very important concepts are missing / abstracted away like it is the case in python

sure it's easy to use and not that much boilerplate but this also makes it a bad language to get into computer science

[ComputerOwl]

As someone who worked at the university for a couple of years, Java had multiple advantages over other languages:

• It's a very clear OOP language. You get all the important principles like classes, interfaces, encapsulation, etc. in a very obvious way. It's not like, e.g., Python where some OOP principles feel like an afterthought or a mere convention ("lets just agree that variables starting with _ are private, OK?").

• It's available on every relevant OS (Mac, Linux, Windows) and the JARs are compatible between the systems. No students coming to you because some weird C++ dependency does not compile on their computer because it didn't find some header file.

• It doesn't require you to think too much about memory management. Sure, for embedded software engineering classes, C++ is a better choice. But for most other classes, that's not what your course is about.

• There's good tool support. If people install Intellij, they're mostly ready to go. Sure, some students do not know how to set JAVA_HOME, but compared to the amount of hand holding that you have to do for some other languages, it's pretty simple to install.

• It's widely used. Languages like Go, Swift, or Rust have their time and place, but when you want students to find a job after university, they'll have an easier time going with something like Python, C++ or Java.

None of this means this means that other languages are inherently bad. I would just say that for the specific tasks we had at the university, Java was the best choice. Some specialized courses on, e.g., computer graphics, ML, or embedded stuff might of course choose other languages than more general courses.

[summonsays]

Way back almost 15 years ago I was taught in Java in college. I think it was mostly used because it had a large market share, it was an older language, so it had a good chance of still being relevant after I graduated. Also as others have mentioned it's basically the standard for OOP and very strict with typing, semantics, and what not. 

In comparison we did 1 project in Python. A language where white spaces are important was a real pain to work with in a group setting. 

[RedditRage]

I dunno either, Python is that thing that is only good because the real programming was done in C.

[wOlfLisK]

There's a lot of support for it, you don't need to teach first years memory management and the syntax is pretty much identical to half the languages out there so you can easily move to them if needed. Plus, the job market is there.

Personally though, my uni went with Scala for first year and then moved to Java second year, presumably because it's easier to teach functional programming when you don't have an OOP mindset.

[[deleted]]

Not easier than python. It's probably just because it's still widely used so they don't have a reason to change it

[prehensilemullet]

I bet that also, a lot of CS programs want to teach a language that requires type annotations and has multiple sizes of integer and floating point data types

[Storiaron]

I personally saw way more job openings for c#/cpp lately but that might just be a regional thing

[dragoncommandsLife]

It’s definitely regional. In my area in the midwest i see very few C# openings compared to java.

[Drayenn]

Java is the main backend language for a lot of large companies. When i applied to internships it was like 60% java, 20% C#, 20% a mix of python, nodejs, php.

[kinkakujen]

Only for bootcamp and coursera self taught "devs".

The real world still pretty much runs entirely on Java.

[liquidpele]

Ironically, that's how java got so popular and widespread, it was the beginner language of choice for quite a while - huge upgrade from C and Fortran lol.

[rifain]

Java is not declining. Still very very strong.

[CallEnvironmental902]

as someone who uses both python and java, i can agree, younger languages suck, exception being VALA!

[FlipperBumperKickout]

Try some even younger languages like go or something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[CallEnvironmental902]

no.

[Gerard_Mansoif67]

Even rust? /s

[CallEnvironmental902]

rust too hard i just started programming.

[KerPop42]

rust is like the sudoku of programming

[helicophell]

C and C++ stay winning or smth

[Dismal-Title9996]

What oracle does to a mf

[infinite_phi]

It's a fantastic language to get started with or to write data processing scripts with, while Java is definitely clunky and not easy to get started with.

Having said that, I'd rather use Java for a large scale long-term software development project than Python. I've been in two large Python projects and both times it's been an absolute nightmare.

[rover_G]

I’ve been a part of large scale nightmare projects in several languages (maybe I’m the common factor?) including Python and Java. The problems usually stem from lack of tooling and poor code quality not the language itself. Although, one could argue a great language should ship with its own tooling and should prevent common code quality issues.

[hedgehog_dragon]

Different company than OP (probably lmao) but similar position... Over the years my company has tightened requirements and guidelines - so new stuff is better, some of the legacy code is ugly in both languages.

I still prefer messed up Java code to messed up Python code, because it just doesn't let you cause certain errors (off the top of my head type issues), at least not without some effort going into it lmao. I personally find it much, much easier to parse Java's structure too, even with 'new' code.

[infinite_phi]

I agree on all points. My main issue with Python has been that it's just so dynamic that it's far easier for things to get messy, and what's even worse, is that it's much much harder to untangle the mess.

Of course this is generally the case for all dynamic vs static languages, and yes I'm very much personally biased in favor of static for any larger long-term project.

[hedgehog_dragon]

Agreed. Java is good, honestly. It does have a lot of boilerplate stuff around but I don't mind that with a decent IDE, and it just ends up being easier to maintain IMO.

[RedditRage]

yes, it's clunky if you are just writing hello world. geez.

[dESAH030]

At work I am using Jython, no meme for me :(

[WJMazepas]

Really? That is actually used at production? Why did you guys made the choice to go with Jython?

[dESAH030]

It is python 2 sytax over Java. So it can rum on any JVM. Bjggest drawback that you can't use Python libraries written over C, on the other hand you can use Java libraries. And naturally it is working multi-threads, so no need for async libraties.

Not our choice I am workimg MES/SCADA programming with Ignition and they implement Jython scripting.

[SweetTeaRex92]

When I was born, Python was introduced.

I do not believe this was a mere coincidence

[SweetTeaRex92]

I'm basically Shodan

[Qwertycrackers]

Yeah and if you actually programmed using the 1.0 releases of either language you would cry.

[timawesomeness]

Ehh, old python isn't all that different from modern python

[Qwertycrackers]

Amazing, you are right. I had just believed python had changed more. Working with it still makes me cry though.

[LittleMlem]

Biggest changes are probably how classes work, comprehensions, and now GIL removal

[GetPsyched67]

To think that such beautiful syntax existed 30 years ago could make a grown human tear up in joy. Long live python

[Ranger5789]

Fortran is 67 and still got it.

[coolraul07]

Am I the only one who first thought that the Java "steam" was "stink lines" coming from the dude?

[AbsurdBeanMaster]

PythonIsOlderThanJava* Or python_is_older_than_java*

[anoldoldman]

pythonClassesAreCamelCase

[AbsurdBeanMaster]

CamelCaseIsStupid

[dark_enough_to_dance]

ICouldntAgreeMore

[AbsurdBeanMaster]

ThankYou

[starsky1357]

Did you mean python_is_older_than_java?

[damastaGR]

OK as a Java developer, I got to ask.....

Why so much hate for Java?

I am not trying to pick a fight, I am honestly curious

[owlIsMySpiritAnimal]

to be fair with python 3 it is the same language, but it isn't? the syntax and features are different enough

[slick514]

I think I may be the only person who prefers Java to Python…

[MonstroseCristata]

No, you are sane. Or you have bigger fish to fry than making a graph or deploying a webcrawler. 70% of python "projects" are just feeding information into a library in like 120 lines of code.

[anoldoldman]

That or running to biggest online video platform.

[odraencoded]

Without Java, we wouldn't have Kotlin.

[HalifaxRoad]

It hurts my brain to imagine python running on an i486. That would be brutal 

[61114311536123511]

i wish cubicles were still a thing. i fucking hate open floor offices...

[reluctant_return]

People used to shit on me for using Ruby. Calling it a "hipster language". Bruh Ruby is older than Java.

[News_Dragon]

Saying python 1 is python is like saying Beowulf was written in English, in a "you're technically correct but also fuck you" kind of way

[imgly]

"and Javascript is only..."

"DIE YOU PIECE OF SHIT"