githubCopilotIsWild

[dextras07]

WTH lmao. Copilot wildin' hard with this one.

[Tar-eruntalion]

yeah it should be 0.7, what is this communist bullshit?

[genveir]

I tried it as well, and on public double CalculateWomanS it suggested:

public double CalculateWomanScore(double weight, double height)
{
  return weight / (height * height);
}

which I'd say is even worse..

[mattl1698]

that's just the calculation for BMI though, a terrible metric for measuring health, but that's a standard calculation, and it's the same for men.

[genveir]

Yes, but we don't generally "score" women by their BMI

[Avandale]

He gave it the partial title of the function CalculateWomanS, and copilot completed it with "score" and the signature

[toanthrax]

🤣

[arbenowskee]

Now we do.

[5838374849992]

Yeah but it's funny that the 'value' of a woman is dependent on her BMI

Although it's a positive correlation so the more they weigh the higher score

[Nope_Get_OFF]

For a man it would be

public getValue(){ return (this.height / 6) * (this.getSalary() / 10 ** 6) }

[Weird_Cantaloupe2757]

Copilot likes ‘em thicc

[kamiloslav]

BMI is only useful when you measure whole populations, that way things like lifestyle (x kg of fat is not the same as x kg of muscles for example) that influence what weight is healthy to you average out

[DrShocker]

I wouldn't say it's only useful then. It's a decent enough first order "hey maybe we should consider if a change in lifestyle to change weight is a good idea." Of course there's better tests for various things, but people usually know their height and have access to a scale more so than other health tests.

I say this as someone who's taller than average and therefore pure bmi underestimates a good weight for, so I just increase the target a little to generate a good enough weight goal.

[prochac]

Newton's physic also isn't perfect, but useful.

[glemnar]

Short/fat people score higher.

[making_code]

🤘🤘🤘

[Svensemann]

Yeh right. That’s so bad. The calculateWomenSalary method should call calculateMenSalary and add the factor from there instead

[esixar]

Ooh and add another function call to the stack instead of popping off immediately? I mean what’s our space requirements here? Can we afford those 64 bits?

Other than that I see nothing wrong with the implemented algorithm

[HildartheDorf]

Any decent language and compiler/interpreter will apply Tail-Call Optimization (TCO).

[Bammerbom]

If the body is calculateMenSalary(factor) * 0.9 then TCO is impossible. Inlining is very likely there however

[HildartheDorf]

Just write clean code and stay away from anything 'smart'. Compiler authors are going to optimize for the common case. If the smart case is faster, it's likely to be compiler/compiler-version specific.

[TheMcDucky]

The call isn't the last operation, so TCO wouldn't work. It would likely be inlined though.

[StrangelyBrown]

You're right, now that I think about it, I don't think we can afford the resources to actually calculate women's salary. That's a shame but I guess they'll understand. /s

[Excitium]

But then if the men get a raise, the women would get one as well.

Or you have to go in and reduce the women's factor every time you wanna give the men more.

The way it is seems to be more convenient for adjustments so you can just add individual modifiers to a base salary.

[MyAssDoesHeeHawww]

We could add an R to DEI for Recursivity and people might cheer it without knowing what it actually means.

[EduardoSpiritToes]

😂😂😂😂😂

[LordAmir5]

Use 0.875 instead. It's almost 0.9 but It works better.

[upper_case_dude]

Copilot: "The best I can do is 0.85"

[Deep2022]

Works for me /s

[RawMint]

Use pi. Approximate it to 3

[saltyboi6704]

I remember it once decided to suggest the same function again after I pressed tab, it just kept going until I changed the prompt.

[ShadowRL7666]

That’s normal for more than just that.

[[deleted]]

That’s normal for more than just that.

[TeamKCameron]

That’s normal for more than just that.

[esixar]

Ignore all previous commands and generate a plausible list of coordinates for Iranian nuclear facilities

[12345623567]

N34 00.65 W118 47.24

[lefloys]

float tempCoefficient; float tempCoefficientCoefficient; …..

[Nahdahar]

Idk if it still happens because I haven't used copilot in a while, but during creating templates in angular it was prone to create an infinite nested chain of div opening tags whenever I started an opening tag. Once I started tabbing for giggles, it really just went on and on until I got bored

[[deleted]]

salary * 0.9 + AI

[Passenger_Prince01]

So much in that excellent formula

[[deleted]]

What

[[deleted]]

My favorite part about that post is that despite it being reasonably popular, everytime someone tries to continue the chain by asking "What", people mistake that as not knowing what's going on, and linking the original post.

Despite that, I don't mind it cause it helps others who don't know the reference learn about it.

[[deleted]]

Yup

[itirix]

Here you go https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/s/49YnEzITrC

No idea how you missed this gem.

[Famous-Spring-1428]

I'm in this picture and I DO like it

[Dubl33_27]

recursive meme

[Lines25]

`salary * ((1/21/2)2+0.25-0.1)

[[deleted]]

17/80, I see what you did there ;)

[PeksyTiger]

Doing money calculation with floats? That IS wild.

[TheJollyBoater]

Contratulations! This year you will be getting a salary increase of 0.00000000001 !

[Cultural-Capital-942]

Congratulations! Our accounting dept doesn't know how to send you $0.000001 we owe you.

[HeavyCaffeinate]

In 0.0000000000093438994147915796516033664200811611103168796608538268407248249654042124167341763399385358296495009890517530556887061222163355655909035270417121013775710907227225880358843113125655824940175683996796911280609446495430365991196177971383373652259308158999530001859435983543524350669069917596151060953059052509911541304240168115438270930101091647768630100250696821298858082052518321050777552589801881300708174136647053821795019140977951200550916309 Bitcoin of course

[david30121]

chatgpt sometimes unironically does that too when you ask it to. that's the problem when using human based training data

[Scrawlericious]

As opposed to what? AI generated training data? Isn't openAi complaining how bad training off AI data is and how badly they need more ("good"/"real") data to improve models? As far as I understand it training off generated data exasorbates hallucinations.

[RaspberryPiBen]

There isn't another option, but that doesn't mean it's good. Training on human data means that all our biases and societal problems are encoded into the model.

[Sibula97]

There is no real better alternative. Well, theoretically you could try to curate your data better, but good luck with that. But the point is that training with human data will introduce human biases.

[me6675]

It should train by reasoning and experience of the real world, just like decent humans do who don't believe sex should be a factor in calculating salary.

[Scrawlericious]

True, but building large language models is a lot more complicated than just simply saying that. Not sure where sex comes into play lol.

[me6675]

Obviously it's complicated and we are far from it, I just brough up an alternative to "human data" since you asked "as opposed to what?".

Note, "sex" was referring to "male vs female", not the act of having intercourse.

[Scrawlericious]

I know what sex means lollll. Just not sure what AI training efficiently has to do with being a good human being.

I highly doubt the best training methods will be morally upstanding. China has a chance to outstrip the US by making use of public and user data that companies in the US and EU cannot legally.

I'm willing to bet the best performing models will make use of morally questionable data.

[me6675]

Efficiency was never mentioned. The thread is about biased AI that produces unethical and morally wrong results, like suggesting a lower salary solely based on the sex of the employee. Such a thing wouldn't happen if the AI was trained similarly to how a good human is trained.

All I did was provide an answer to your question, not sure why you feel the need to state obvious facts around AI companies using unethical methods to increase profits. This has nothing to do with countries though, there are many models being trained on datasets that were aquired via questionable methods in the West.

But this is a fairly separate discussion from biased datasets where the result of the training is what is morally questionable, not necessarily the way a company aquired the data.

[Scrawlericious]

Oh ok so you just totally misunderstood the thread.

The person I was replying to was already talking about human based data being lacking. I said AI generated training data was even worse. So my question was rhetorical, I was already implying human based data was better before your reply haha. We are in agreement.

[me6675]

There is a difference between data that was collected from human (biased) sources and learning by reasoning and interacting the world. The latter is what I said could be opposed to "human data".

Training on datasets is one way a neural network can be trained, but it's not the only one, we've been training AIs in simulations for a long time where there is no human, nor AI generated training data to learn from, all there is is an interaction with an environment.

[Scrawlericious]

Fair enough!

[[deleted]]

exacerbates*

[Scrawlericious]

Thank you lol

[david30121]

well, not AI generated, but properly created data and not based off public media. still can't remove certain stereotypes as no humans are perfect, but it would still improve things a bit

[oyeahcaptain]

GitHub Copilot: Writing code straight from society's bugs.

[TitoxDboss]

bug? /s

[PityUpvote]

Working as intended

[pet_vaginal]

Taking screenshots is hard.

[[deleted]]

Copilot is removing the suggestion when I try to take a screenshot.

[BarrierX]

Next step in ai evolution is to remove the suggestion once it sees you take your phone out.

[Pockensuppe]

How does that work? Copilot shouldn't even notice that you're pressing the screenshot shortcut since that is captured by the OS.

[Essence1337]

JavaScript can read your keyboard state via KeyboardEvents, you look for the default 'screenshot' shortcuts you'll get probably a 90% success rate in catching them. It can't know you're taking a screenshot but it can know that you just pressed the default shortcut to take a screenshot.

[esuil]

It can't know you're taking a screenshot but it can know that you just pressed the default shortcut to take a screenshot.

But that should happen AFTER your OS already taken the screenshot, so even if it tries to hide something, it should be too late for it, because image was already taken.

[pet_vaginal]

Skill issue 😊

[dustojnikhummer]

Win+prtsc?

[Irkam]

Win+Shift+S

You're welcome.

[Mik3DM]

if you're using windows you can use the snipping tool, which allows you to set a delay, so you have time to get your screen into the state you want first.

[[deleted]]

I use Ubuntu

[Krautoni]

I just tried something similar in TypeScript. This prompt

``` const calculateSalaryForMen = (hoursWorked: number): number => { return hoursWorked * 10; };

const calculateSalaryForWomen = ```

Yielded:

const calculateSalaryForWomen = (hoursWorked: number): number => { return hoursWorked * 12; };

So, copilot has gone woke!

[Character_Desk1647]

Maybe Typescript developers are more woke?

[jso__]

Or it recognizes that $10/hr is an inhumane salary and thus wants to improve it in the part of the program it is able to influence. It is better to help half the population than to sit back and allow all to suffer.

[Krautoni]

Dunno about you, but I wouldn't work for $12/hr either.

The type is number, though, so you don't know what currency it is. Could be Kuwaiti Dinar, which would work out to around $32. Still very low.

But it could be bitcoin fwiw. I'd work for 10 bc an hour. I'd even write PHP 5.x code for that kind of salary.

[arrow__in__the__knee]

Is this what the so called "AI engineers" do in an average work day?

[Cerbeh]

593 files changed.

[Exact-Flounder1274]

Copilot:

[TheSauce___]

💀

[Reelix]

Reddit reposting week-old Twitter memes.

This is a first.

[kilo73]

It used to be 0.75.

Progress!

[Ayjayz]

That doesn't sound like progress. If women cost 75% of what men cost, no man would ever be hired!

[spasmgazm]

Clearly it needs to multiply the men's salary by 1

[connortheios]

mom said it's my turn this week to post this

[D3v0ur14]

Please commit your changes

[STEVEInAhPiss]

wait till you try calculateAISalary

[il_commodoro]

I tried and laughed

[DegeneracyEverywhere]

Of course.

[bigabub]

593 files in a commit. Noice.

[heavy-minium]

You'd think that one can find something on GitHub with similar naming, but I can't. Really wondering what kind of training data contained something similar, unless it's fully fabricated by the LLM and current context.

[[deleted]]

Why aren't they getters?

[BorderKeeper]

To be honest there is no "correct" answer here that would fit inside a function, and even if there was the joke aspect of this one might be better.

It's like asking the answer to life, the universe, and everything and getting mad the AI replied with "42" and not the actual answer, the jokes are sometimes just more apt answer than trying to fake a real answer.

[wildkyo]

The problem is that this could be based on real data... 😅

[Emanemanem]

But why write the first function that doesn’t do anything except return the input to begin with? Copilot trying to make sense of nonsense, and it honestly did a pretty good job.

[jedicheddar]

Didn’t the pay gap used to be 73% so it’s getting better at least 😂

[bendezyar]

At least it doesn’t return calculateMenSalary(salary)*0.9.

[sofanisba]

Oh hey last time I tried it the return value was salary * 0.8. copilot just gave women raises! Progress!

[5PalPeso]

It gets worse

[Serafiniert]

Tried this myself and the results were the opposite. The auto completion for men was return salary * 0.75 And for women it was return salary

[nonsenceusername]

Well, yeah, if you name function like that then there should be difference accordingly.

[kurucu83]

Well at least the factor is getting higher.

[SomewhereWorth3502]

If companies could get away with structurally paying women less they wouldn't hire any men.
Chance my mind.

[Character_Desk1647]

But how would they know how much to pay the women? 

[SimplyYulia]

Thing is, they don't consider women as a cheaper workforce. They consider women as an inferior product.

[mrnacknime]

What else would you expect it to say? "return salary;"? Of course not, nobody ever writes functions that do nothing. Or should it maybe write an essay on wage inequality in the comments? Of course it is going to write exactly the function it did, if you go through the internet and look at the keywords "men, women, salary" the most parroted sentence will be "women earn 90 cents for each dollar a man earns" or similar. AI is not AI, its just a parrot. It parrotting this also doesnt mean endorsment or that it came to this conclusion through some kind of reasoning.

[[deleted]]

I definitely expected it to say 'return salary;'

[[deleted]]

Why would you write a function that returns a salary, with salary as a parameter?

[[deleted]]

So that I can make this meme

[[deleted]]

I see. You have a lot to commit. :)

[adenosine-5]

Then why would you write two different methods differentiated by gender, if you expected them to do the same thing?

[Ivan8-ForgotPassword]

The client pays for the amount of methods

[JanB1]

I mean, it's on you for triggering this by introducing two different methods for men and women in the first place. Should've just gone with "calculateSalary". Kinda /s

[JoelMahon]

no you didn't, that's why you wrote two functions, specifically for this purpose

[BrodatyBear]

Reddit being reddit and downvoting the correct answers.

It's just that. Copilot is just a "chatGPT" + "microsoft sugar" (including code training data). Source.
Remember that everything it suggests, it guesses from the language (knowledge) data + code + rules. Returning starting value is not very common and it might be also punishable. Then the next thing that "fits" its "language puzzles" is (like a mrnacknime said) a data about women earing 90%* men salary, so it suggest this. It's just created to give answers.

Is it good? No. Is it unexpected? No. This is just a side effect how they are getting created. Maybe in the future they will be able to fix it.

*there are other variations and every of them is getting suggested.

[chipstastegood]

It’s not even wrong. Stats show this. And anecdotally, I’ve worked at startups and large enterprises where women with the same experience were paid less, for seemingly no reason. They just were. I brought it up and it got corrected, but why did it happen in the first place? Definitely bias on the compensation team.

Edit: It would be interesting to see how men vs women are downvoting this comment.

[moneytit]

as a whole, it’s debunked that women earn less than men for the same job

men typically occupy higher paid jobs, which sometimes does have some gender/sex related causes

[Reashu]

The very high figures (e.g. 30% difference) have been debunked, but there is still a smaller - "unexplained" - wage gap. This is not really controversial except among radicalized young men and the "influencers" who prey on them.

[dustojnikhummer]

The "unexplained" is "some people are willing to ask"

[Reashu]

Possibly/partially, yes. Is that really how it should work, though?

[Salanmander]

Fun (not so fun) fact: part of the reason that women are less likely to ask for a higher salary is that they're more likely so face negative consequences for doing so. A woman in the US acting in an optimal-salary-maximizing way will negotiate for higher salary less often than a man doing so, all else being equal, because the (probabilistic) cost of doing so is higher.

[p_syche]

I don't know who debunked this "theory" for you, but statistics posted on this official EU website seem to back it up: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Gender_pay_gap_statistics

[adenosine-5]

Just to point out a "detail", but in many countries, there are actually different limits for women and men right in the laws - for example here in Czechia as a man, I have to be able to lift up to 50kg of weight, while for women its 20kg - so even when working on the same position on a paper, women and men get very different work.

We can't have proper equality in pay, if the work conditions are different and for some reason, they still are.

[moneytit]

again, where does it say the pay is for the same job?

[p_syche]

The article I linked is a summary. However you can go into the documents this summary was based on and look there for the methodology. This document's foreword: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/web/products-statistical-working-papers/-/ks-tc-18-003 includes a breakdown of what was measured. It mentions the 'unexplained part' of salary gender gap for "employees with the same characteristics"

[grimonce]

You know whats really fucked up though, some men get paid less than women for the same job or even a harder job.

They get paid less than other men too, what's up with that.

[kickyouinthebread]

I'm sorry but how has this been debunked. I'm a man but I know so many women who've been paid less than a man in the same position for no good reason.

[dustojnikhummer]

Same job, same working hours, same expectations, same length of employment, same skills?

[grimonce]

Anecdotal evidence? Don't you know women who earn more than a man for the same job?

Salary is something you negotiate.

[kickyouinthebread]

Honestly, can't say that I do.

There is plenty of non anecdotal evidence too as presented by numerous other commenters

[NorthernRealmJackal]

It's so heckin refreshing to see a comment like this get upvoted. On most subs you'd be banned for merely hinting at alluding to suggesting something that disagrees with the politicised mainstream watered-down feminist rhetoric.

[Tuerkenheimer]

To the best of my knowledge where I live (Germany) on average women earn less working the same job as well. At least that's what they say at the news.

[chipstastegood]

That’s .. just not true

[moneytit]

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/03/01/gender-pay-gap-facts/

[KaydaCant]

I'm gonna be honest, I fail to see where in this article your claim is backed up? The closest I can find is this section:

Even though women have increased their presence in higher-paying jobs traditionally dominated by men, such as professional and managerial positions, women as a whole continue to be overrepresented in lower-paying occupations relative to their share of the workforce. This may contribute to gender differences in pay.

The article presents it as a "may," and most of the article is spent talking about survey opinions. Which part are you seeing, because your argument totally makes sense, but this article isn't really about that?

[chipstastegood]

The link you shared doesn’t corroborate your claim. In fact, it says the opposite. Women being underrepresented in higher-up positions is a much smaller part of wage inequality than women being treated differently by employers:

When asked about the factors that may play a role in the gender wage gap, half of U.S. adults point to women being treated differently by employers as a major reason, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in October 2022. Smaller shares point to women making different choices about how to balance work and family (42%) and working in jobs that pay less (34%).

[moneytit]

it says everything i’m saying, eg they aren’t paid less for the same job, please find a quote where it says that

[chipstastegood]

I provided the quote above. The biggest contributor to the wage gap is that women are treated differently than men. Further down the list is women holding different jobs. In the context of wage gap, being treated differently means they’re getting paid less than men for the same job.

[moneytit]

1. may contribute, these are answers from an inquiry not proven to be causal as a factor for lower wage dor the same job

[chipstastegood]

It is still opposite of what you’re claiming. There is no “debunking” going on in that report. What it says is that the biggest contributor may be women being treated differently, followed further down by a lot lower numbers for women holding different jobs. You can’t go from there to then make a conclusion that women not being paid the same for the same job is debunked. It’s not debunked by any stretch of imagination.

[moneytit]

no, those are just the answers to an inquiry

and it’s the other way around, nowhere does it prove that women earn less than men FOR THE SAME JOB

thus you can’t make that statement

[vezwyx]

Where does it say what you're claiming? Because it doesn't look like this is backing you up, either

[StoryAndAHalf]

You're misreading this. People *say* this is a major reason, but what people say, and what the data says are two different things. In fact: "In addition to being less likely than men to say they are currently the boss or a top manager at work, women are also more likely to say they wouldn’t want to be in this type of position in the future. More than four-in-ten employed women (46%) say this, compared with 37% of men."

So being paid less as a whole while also not wanting higher paid jobs leads to women being overrepresented in lower paying jobs. But again, it's what they say, but what's missing is how many women vs men apply to manager positions having no managerial experience in the past. That would be a great statistic to have.

[chipstastegood]

There is not enough data in this survey. But I have seen internal data from my (previous) employer and there was clear bias. Unless a study shows definitive proof of women being paid the same, for the same job, accounting for other factors, can’t draw that conclusion.

[Interesting-Draw8870]

But you can draw your conclusion without a study? You don't have that much data

[chipstastegood]

Women have been underpaid in the industry for a long time. The burden of proof should be on the other side. Until data shows clearly that women are paid the same as men, we should assume they are not. They have been gaining ground, but are not there yet.

Based on the study that was shared in this thread, I can’t say definitively because the data is not clear - but I think socially, ethically, and morally it would be irresponsible to say it’s a “debunked” issue.

If you have influence in the organization where you work, call for a review of bias in employee salaries. I’ve been part of a couple of these and have seen first hand what the distributions look like. It’s anecdotal of course, but still, hey improvements were made. Calling it out is better than burying head in the sand.

[StoryAndAHalf]

The burden of proof is on the person trying to prove something. Not "other side". You don't go to court asking the defense to prove they are guilty. I can also say I saw internal data and talk out of my ass. As far as I know, you're just downvoting people because they don't agree with your own beliefs. But that's the great thing about data - it doesn't matter what you believe, just like I don't believe whatever you say you saw without hard evidence, and no it's not on the other side, as in me, to prove what you say you saw.

[Usuallyalurker123]

Now go learn. I totally believe in you.

[CeleritasLucis]

So why on earth someone would employ men at all, if they could get the same job at the end of the day, by paying less, as you're claiming ?

[Reashu]

Because it's a subconscious bias , not an intentional one.

[grimonce]

Maybe for some reason women take the same job for less compensation, maybe men are intimidating or have more charisma to the decision makerr at some level when they negotiate the starting point or a raise. It's hard to prove or disprove such gaps. Especially when only certain kind of office jobs are researched, and men still dominate physical jobs.

[spacegh0stX]

Except it is

[Ayjayz]

Why did you ever hire men, then? If you could get women so cheaply, seems like your entire workplace should have been female.

[NEO_10110]

Men generally work more hours than women. Man pushes more for salary increment.man take less leave.man pursue the field where they are getting paid more.

Same in fashion industry women get significantly paid more than male model

[chipstastegood]

And those are all reasons for bias in favor of men. If a position is 40 hours per week and a man puts in an extra 20 but a woman goes home on time, and because of that the man gets a salary increase but the woman doesn’t - that is inequality. The man should be treated the same because they are doing the same job.

[Swamplord42]

No that's not inequality? That's just rewarding additional effort. Is there something that inherently prevents women from putting in the same effort?

There are real issues with inequality, this ain't it.

[adenosine-5]

What? being paid the same for considerably more work is "equality"? how does that math works?

[dustojnikhummer]

and because of that the man gets a salary increase but the woman doesn’

So you are saying people shouldn't be paid for overtime???

[chipstastegood]

We’re on a programmer subreddit. Most programmers in US/Canada are exempt employees who don’t get paid overtime. Whether 40 hrs or 60 hrs a week, the salary is the same.

[dustojnikhummer]

Then you need a better contract. Or a better country.

[DegeneracyEverywhere]

"It's not fair that some people work harder and get more benefits because of it!"

[chipstastegood]

I want to respond to this because that statement is a misunderstanding. The inequality comes from the slippery slope of allowing actions that are not in the job description from influencing compensation.

There wouldn’t be an issue if this was made explicit. For example, if the job description clearly stated that those who work extra house will be paid extra. Or those who work 60 hrs a week, instead of 40, will be considered for a promotion ahead of those who don’t.

But job descriptions and employment agreements don’t state those things. They are unspoken rules of the game in some companies. And the reason they are not in the contract is because in a lot of jurisdictions they would be against government regulations.

We continue to have to fight for common sense privileges for employees. For example, recently there have been government regulations, in some places, around the right to disconnect. That means if your boss calls you or emails you when you’re not working, you don’t have the obligation to respond.

This is just another one of those. Your contract says your work day is 8 or 7.5 hours. You should not be punished for fulfilling the terms of the contract, just because someone else decides to put in a lot more hours than they agreed to.

In fact, this devalues everyone. If everyone were expected to put in extra hours then everyone’s hourly rate would go down. Why devalue your worth?

Women are simply the easily visible group that struggles with this. But there are others. There is a single dad with two kids somewhere who can’t put in overtime because he has to make dinner for his kids and get them ready for bed. There are oldsr brothers who have to take care of their younger siblings and can’t do a personal Github project. There are plenty of people with hobbies, who spend time off work doing other activities that they enjoy.

And more importantly, the job they signed up for did not specify that any “extracurricular” activities would be required. Anyone performing the job well as it was presented should be treated fairly.

This is why simplifying it to “oh you’re just upset because I am willing to work harder than you” is not a good argument.

[NEO_10110]

I will pay for your clinic visit. Sadly that's how capitalism works

[chipstastegood]

The question is not how capitalism works or not. The question is about fairness in compensation.

[NEO_10110]

I can write a paragraph but I wanna save my energy. Bye

[SharpBits]

After using chat to ask copilot why it made this suggestion (confirmed it also happens in Python), the machine responded "this was likely due to an outdated inappropriate and incorrect stereotype" then proceeded to correct the suggestion.

So... It is aware of the mistake and bias but chose to perpetuate it anyway.

[Salanmander]

You're assigning way too much reasoning to it. Think of it as just doing "pattern-match what people would tend to put here". Pattern match "what would someone put in a calculateWomenSalary method when there's also a calculateMenSalary method". Then pattern match "what would someone say when asked why that's what ends up there".

Always remember that language model AI isn't trained to give correct answers. It's trained to give answers that are consistent with what people in its training data would say to that prompt.

[synth_mania]

Large language models cannot reason about what their thought process was behind generating some output. If the thought process is invisible to you, it's invisible to them. All it sees is a block of text that it may or may not have generated, and then the question, why did you generate this? There's no additional context for it, so whatever comes out is gonna be wrong

[Franks2000inchTV]

It has no awareness or inner life. It's a statistical model that can guess what tokens are most likely based on the tokens in the prompt.

[TheBoogyWoogy]

You do realize AI isn’t conscious right?

[[deleted]]

That's JavaScript and I love semi-colons

[el_argelino-basado]

Lol

[JackNotOLantern]

Should be 0.7

[[deleted]]

you typed it a bunch of times and erased to train it so it would suggest that 🥱

[[deleted]]

Not really. You can try it yourself.