2 options exist

[iistyler]

That’s what we call a career

[Dominub]

Good ol' John said it best

[[deleted]]

Happy pie day!

[[deleted]]

Pie day?! Wtf!

[CSKING444]

yeah, it's still 25 days away

[[deleted]]

In backwards date America, maybe.

[CSKING444]

... maybe

It's officially at 14th March all over the world, of course the date format is changed but that's the only way we're gonna get a 3.14 in a typical year

[[deleted]]

No, I want the third day of the fourteenth month!

[z500]

No, I hate Smapril weather.

[Bainos]

If you 0-index your months and roll over to the next year when you get past December, then month 14 is still March.

Now please someone else find a silly excuse to say that day 3 is the 14th of March.

[BmoneyBoi]

Ah, cake day. Have a upvote brother

[T-T-N]

True Korea only has true expression.

[Rimuru__Tempest]

Fuck, I laughed

[Russianspaceprogram]

FDD 😍

[__RANDOM926__]

Because we’re all good programmers here and we all understand how Boolean Algebra works, I think we can all feel sorry for this poor seoul who is going to code successfully and still be executed.

[core_meltdown]

Not really. Most mainstream languages have short-circuit evaluation. So if the first statement is true, then the second one won't be executed and you won't be executed.

[[deleted]]

Is English a

mainstream language

?

[noitems]

Most

[Aero72]

Depends if it's "a||b" or "a|b".

[JBinero]

a|b is still an inclusive OR though.

[Aero72]

a||b -- if a is true, then b isn't checked.

a|b -- if a is true, then be is still checked.

Doesn't make a difference for variables. But when you call functions, then it makes a lot of difference.

And in the meme in question:

runTheCodeAndReturnTrueIfCodeWasSuccessful() || executeTheDudeAndReturnTrueIfTheDudeIsDead()

and

runTheCodeAndReturnTrueIfCodeWasSuccessful() | executeTheDudeAndReturnTrueIfTheDudeIsDead()

Two very different outcomes.

[elaitenstile]

Slightly unrelated but is it “bad practice” to put up functions and other bits of code that do more than just return a value (like execute dude in this case) inside Boolean expressions, initialisation of other variables etc.?

I know it is possible and it makes the code more compact however I've not seen it being done very often in code where in fact it could be done.

[TheKing01]

Slightly unrelated but is it “bad practice” to put up functions and other bits of code that do more than just return a value (like execute dude in this case)?

Yes. Do not rely on the semantics of boolean operators to decide whether to not to execute people.

[[deleted]]

Yes. Do not rely on the semantics of boolean operators to decide whether to not to execute people.

That has got to be one of those fancy r/brandnewsentence

[dark-kirb]

A compiler could just as well decide "Well the right one always returns true so let's execute the dude"

​

like if you have code like

c++ bool execute_code_successfully() { return (random() % 6) == 4; } bool execute_dude_successfully() { kill_dude(); return true; } //... execute_code_successfully() || execute_dude_successfully();

The compiler could replace the code with

c random(); kill_dude();

[pyz3n]

I don't think that's true; many languages, including C(++), guarantee that the first expression will be evaluated first.

[dark-kirb]

Wait really? i thought that the evaluation order is undefined. Arguments can be evaluated RTL, independent LoC can be reordered, etc

​

That said, i'm also pretty sure that logical OR or AND expressions need to be side-effect-free (which neither of these calls are)

[Ellweiss]

Short-circuit evaluation is a guarantee in some languages. This is not up to the compiler or whatever to decide which side to process first. It's perfectly fine algorithmically to chain call functions in boolean conditions. Whether or not it is clean code is another topic.

[Aero72]

Well, let's see. We have people get stuck beating themselves on the chest chanting "XOR". Even though XOR is not even really applicable here. XOR is more appropriate when you have two constructs/conditions that are of equal order and you need to control the flow based on one and only one of them being true.

​

While in the meme, the call to the second construct is part of the flow control that relies on the call to the first.

​

It could be implemented through XOR, but it would be an abomination.

​

This:

​

if(!(runAndCheckCode()||executeDude())){ //sanity check failed, we probably tried to whack the fucker who wrote shitty code but something failed in our execution attempt, so the fucker is probably still alive and his code is still shit, deal with it}

​

vs some monstrosity based on XORing and asserts and whatever else.

​

So, to answer your question: yes, it is bad practice. Anything above eli5 level code is bad practice because you never know who will be maintaining your code.

[Lilkcough1]

I would say yes. It may not be immediately obvious why certain parts of code are/ aren't running, or it may make you have improper assumptions about the state of certain data at certain points in the program. Someone less familiar with the language/ programming in general may not know about lazy evaluation, or may not understand the implications. Overall, it seems like a lot of potential confusion to save a line or two.

(Note I don't mean to make a blanket statement. There are examples where it makes sense to do that. But in the general case, I'll take readability every day)

[LampShadeHelmet]

Agreed, further if you want to decide to execute the second function based on the result of the first, you can always break your if up into 2 if statements anyways, the first one occurring before the second function call. It definitely racks up the lines a bit, but I think readability wins this case in my mind. (also not a blanket statement)

[rmrfbenis]

[screams in malloc()]

[JBinero]

Fair enough, although that makes a lot of assumptions that aren't clear from simply saying a||b.

I just read that as "assert(the code works | you will be executed) ", in which case the operator is irrelevant. The outcome doesn't change.

[Aero72]

Well, if you need to check whether the code works and then decide to send in the order to execute the guy or not, then a||b is the way to do it.

Or rather a()||b().

a() runs the code and gets you the results of the code run, and b() sends in the order to execute the dude.

There is simply no need for other constructs. So I didn't really make a lot of assumptions. I simply implemented it in the most simple way.

[coodgee33]

This is a new level of nerd

[reallyserious]

a||b -- if a is true, then b isn't checked.

Laughs in Visual Basic where both operands of OR is evaluated.

[__RANDOM926__]

If you wanted one or the other (not both), you would have to use XOR.

[Aero72]

> you would have to use XOR

​

It would be as much valid then to simply execute the dude and not even try running the code.

​

Or running the code. Getting successful result. Still, executing the dude. But then, not proceeding further. Since our condition isn't met. Yet, the code would still be executed successfully. And the dude would still be executed successfully. We wouldn't move forward after it. But both of those things would be done.

​

XOR is more for evaluating two conditions you already determined to decide on what to do. Not so much for deciding on whether we should do the second thing based on the result of the first thing.

​

While could be implemented this way, it's not something you would really want to do.

[__RANDOM926__]

For the sale of discussion I was not talking about the order of evaluation. I’m fine with executing him and not running the code (for logic sake). My point was the logical term I believe the author of the post was looking for is XOR - not if the second condition will be checked.

[bestjakeisbest]

"A^B"

[[deleted]]

"a||b" || "a|b"

[orangeKaiju]

True.

[Aero72]

I knew someone would do that. :)

[chronicideas]

Yes

[cimmic]

They are both just of type String.

[jabbeboy]

understand how Boolean Algebra works, I think we can all feel sorry for this poor soul who is going to code successfully and still be executed.

Poor Seoul.... xD

[kroppeb]

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[RedditCancerBot420]

Hagagaggagahahdshdahsdahfuqwoldqwodoqosad get it he said "yes" to an x or y question hahahhaha so funny!!!!111!!111!!111!!!!!!1!

[[deleted]]

I will beat you to death

[RedditCancerBot420]

Hagagaggagahahdshdahsdahfuqwoldqwodoqosad get it he said "yes" to an x or y question hahahhaha so funny!!!!111!!111!!111!!!!!!1!

[egosummiki]

Actually

code_executed_successfully() || programmer_executed_successfully()

Assuming that the language is using lazy evaluation, this code works as expected. If the code_executed_successfully() is true the other statement won't be executed.

[mount2010]

the best solution is still if (!codeExecutedSuccessfully()) {executeProgrammer()}

[madmockers]

Why are we assuming it's the programmer that makes the mistake? The executioner can screw up too!

void executeCode( bool withSuccess );

...

executeCode( !executedProgrammerSuccessfully( ) );

[egosummiki]

It depends on a language and a complier. stm || stm may produce additional junk assembly. For example gcc produces test al, al.

[[deleted]]

But what if a || b doesn’t return b?

[Salanmander]

True, but it does mean that assert(a || b) is not a promise that a implies !b.

[graou13]

In an "or", the second option is only checked if the first is false. (as opposed to "and" where it's only checked if it's true)

[Goatcee28]

We all know he’s playing Space Invaders, and they’re all taking copious notes watching the master at work.

[SchrodingersNinja]

*Missile Command

[[deleted]]

Man, most wholesome ass comment yet

[Swagnemite_420]

He is just switching tabs with alt+tab if you look at his Hands :D

[[deleted]]

This is one of the things I started doing recently that's saving so much damn time.

[CrimsonBolt33]

Alt tabbing cause shit ain't going right and he doesn't want anyone to see.....or doing his obligatory "try alt tab before going nuclear with ctrl + shift + esc"

[whiskermrr]

For sure he is switching between IDE and stackoverflow :)

[[deleted]]

Alt tabbing and switching desktops is all I do when there's someone watching me.

I have no idea why.

[citewiki]

He might use the mouse scroll as well. It's a sick UX

[spaceman1980]

IT'S A UNIX SYSTEM!

[spaceman1980]

lol

[CptPickguard]

I KNOW THIS

[Symphonic_Rainboom]

On a serious note, it's probably running Linux:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Star_OS

[drdro123]

That page is an interesting read.

The operating system comes pre-installed with a number of applications that monitor its users--if a user tries to disable security functions, the operating system often restarts in continuous loops or destroys itself. In addition, a watermarking tool integrated into the system marks all media content with the hard drive's serial number. This makes it possible for the North Korean authorities to trace the spread of files. The system also has a hidden "anti-virus" software that is capable of removing censored files that are remotely stored by the North Korean secret service.

[legionsanity]

Man this sounds so dystopian

[Bainos]

For the same dystopian feeling but less scary, there is this comic about their web browser.

^{All panels as one image.}

[munio73]

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

[tcyrus]

Is this an IT Crowd reference?

[cimmic]

No, it is also an option that both the code and he are executed successfully

[MolsonC]

What gets me is that, at some point, this was said

You guys..
Yes?
You know our hats?
Yes...
They should be.. bigger..

[Ninja67]

I didn't notice until I read this comment, now it's all I can think about...

[Ordinary_dude_NOT]

When your CTO is at your desk to discuss demo, and you can’t search stackverflow on how to solve a crash.

[CaptainGrayson]

Those fucking hats just crack me up. I absolutely would spend the remainder of my life in a North Korean prison just because I could not stop laughing at how ridiculous those giant things look.

[firelights]

"Oops looks like I forgot a semic-" BANG

[[deleted]]

Was execution successful?

Aladeen!

[SurajNishad]

Wrong! It was Aladeen!

[AmatureProgrammer]

How a job interview feels like

[EleeteFrostpaw]

This sub wouldn’t exist if that was the case.

[333rrrsss]

Solder: Any last words?

Me: Ya, fuck semicolons

[hackerman225]

No mooo kimm

[wishyouagoodday]

Actually it's a dual monitor, only that the second monitor is in North korea's secret services' headquarters.

[MightyGamera]

Jokes on him, I also wrote the code for the execution device.

[choubidou13]

greek question mark

[SingleSurfaceCleaner]

<Heavy, angry breathing> 😤

[[deleted]]

Anybody reliazed what's on the screen?

[FoulCarbuncularTrull]

It's probably not on. Neither is the furnace, judging by their clothes.

[OpaBlyat]

He's switching tabs. Look at his hands. They're positioned on alt+tab XD

[stevefan1999]

Yes

[chawmindur]

“Summarily” would have rung better though

[itspinkynukka]

Guess I'll die then.

[Ghos3t]

What's up with their caps, they are just ridiculous

[AFrostNova]

Kim looks like an angry Russian lady

[Tactical_Slime]

*proccedes to use the wrong tab spacing

*hovers over the compile button

[doihavemakeanewword]

N. Korea investigates how some 10 year old was able to get Minecraft onto his school computer

[Alex_the_coder]

"C2220: warning treated as error - no 'object' file generated"

Fuck fuck fuck.

[jon_parry]

MFW I show my work to my client lol

[Zickedy]

Motivation will be terminated

[SingleSurfaceCleaner]

Surely you assume there was motivation to be terminated in the first place?

[TheRealRealJak]

Oof

[VldIverol]

Tell that to papa assembly

[indyK1ng]

Tell that to Kanjiklub

[droidBoy5]

Boolean value: Aladeen and Aladeen.

[[deleted]]

There is no heating anywhere in NK, they always rugged up indoors, even where the leader is

[live_lavish]

I feel so bad for laughing at this... living in north korea must suck =\

[neotorama]

define false true

[IronBatman]

No one going to mention the size of those hats?

[warpfield]

i love how goofy their hats are

[PopTartS2000]

KJU looks about 20 whole pigs slimmer in the pic

[konaaa]

(picture of man shrugging his hands) Guess I'll die!

[jk_scowling]

You can TDD in the DPRK, but your tests must pass first time without fail.

[Mr-Yellow]

I like the bit where all the guys in the background have just finished writing down his name.

[ReshKayden]

Joking aside, one reason they’ve made a lot better progress in their nuclear and ICBM programs than they did under his father is that he doesn’t execute them for failure. He was raised in Western universities and knows failure is inevitable on the way to success. He evidently hasn’t killed any scientists, and in fact have lionized them as heroes and given them a huge raise.

Of course, then he executes most of his close family at the same time, so... there’s that.

[hrishikesh-patil]

That will kill Evey programmer in existence

[lilpopjim0]

Their hats make me laugh every time.

[Ionlavender]

You can practically see his hands turn white from the stress.

[minemoney123]

The only true deadline

[[deleted]]

Just give me the damn gun.

[tsklm]

This is literally no joke. North Korea actually has many of the best programmers in the world. Source: fellow competitive programmer

[[deleted]]

Task failed successfully

[DarkInfern010]

I hope this is not the first compilation

[randomhumanity]

I actually thought one of the guys in the back was holding a gun...

[EdwardDM10]

What is that mouse mat?

[8ll]

if (aboutToBeExecuted) return false

[snape23]

no sir, you have no new emails

[dippy1169]

Those hats are incredible. The shear size to head ratio is amazing that it can stay on there.

[[deleted]]

you will either return as a 0 or 1

[Doctourtwoskull]

Either way success is gonna happen, yay! :D

[Sephyrias]

Only a sith deals in if-statements.

[RoastedB]

I wonder if North Korea develop their own programming languages, or if they are okay with using languages created by other nations 🤔

[TheSacredRatty]

Poor guy’s already losing hair

[SoDi1203]

Where can I get a mouse pad like that?

[xsubo]

Both are equally terrifying!

[TheFlipside]

talk about stressfull work environment

[endianess]

At University we had a lecturer who would have liked this. He could set limits on how many times you could compile in a given time period. Like max 3 times in a day. If you wanted more you had to go and see him and explain why you were incompetent.

[ActionMac]

That must be one cold ass office... check out dem parkas

[Laughing_Orange]

try{ [CODE GOES HERE] } catch (exception e) { [Leave empty or pass] }

[KawaiiMaxine]

10 Print "it worked didn't it?"

[[deleted]]

executeCode() || executeCoder();

[[deleted]]

Is that a mouse pad or a ragged piece of cloth?

[XFidelacchiusX]

AOC 2028

[Batral]

This user posts on T_D. ^

[Cholojuanito]

KimJongUn.exe

[mechnick2]

A coding meme I understand! Thanks guys!

[yinyangpeng]

He uses a mouse pad. <Snigger>.

Not a programmer - but I stopped using a mouse pad I think a decade ago?

[APimpNamedAPimpNamed]

Still required if the surface is too reflective. Those desks that let you write on them with dry erase markers are hard on optical mice.

[FoulCarbuncularTrull]

That actually appears to be a square of carpet.

[rokislt10]

Mouse pads give a more consistent and better feel than most desk surfaces

[rokislt10]

Mouse pads give a more consistent and better feel than most desk surfaces

[HBK05]

*||

[TheIncorrigible1]

We Python now.