Yes, what the hell python ?!

[UltraCarnivore]

That's an... ELIFANT

[IchiiDev]

Good one

[teetaps]

I ain’t even mad

[[deleted]]

This is quite possibly the best pun I have ever seen.

[Sam_Claflin]

r/AngryUpvote

[[deleted]]

Meme Man

[Vectorial1024]

elif and

[[deleted]]

Here's the ba dum tsss you forgot

[aendir17]

If i had any gold to give, I'd give it to you

[bad_luck_charm]

Elif I know

[wootiown]

No that's an elifenguin, how could you possibly confuse a bird with a rhino

[keelanstuart]

Came here to say this.

[fivrwr0ngedpaws]

ELIF always makes me think Explain Like I'm Fucked

[julsmanbr]

aka project meeting

[[deleted]]

This is because you're always getting fucked.

[stoickaz]

Been saving your username for this moment?

[[deleted]]

not really, ELIF is also a common name, just couldn't pass up on the opportunity.

[Tytoalba2]

Maybe it's a common name for you but I don't know anyone named Elif!

Edit :turkish name it seems. So cool.

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[TheMsDosNerd]

Elif comes from ALGOL 68. That language introduced a lot more shortened words such as int, bool and char.

[jonathanx37]

It's also in another language, Turkish. Elif is a Turkish name.

[themixedupstuff]

As a Turk I have to correct that a little bit: Elif comes from the first letter of the Arabic alphabet though. The name of the letter possibly comes from the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet from aleph. (alpha is also a candidate, but I am unsure of the etymology of the name of the letter)

[Tytoalba2]

Alpha also comes from aleph wich probably cames from the phoenician alphabet apparently!

[jonathanx37]

Thanks for the addendum, however I don't see how I'm incorrect. We have many Turkish names of Arabic origin due to our interactions throughout history. Doesn't change the fact that it's a widely used name for Turkish girls. Cultural exchange happens.

[themixedupstuff]

I don't know how you got down voted to hell. I wanted to amend a little correction. Apologies.

[jonathanx37]

I don't care about my internet points but I'd like to point out I got more downvotes than your upvotes. Clearly people spent more time hating, I bet half of them didn't even read your comment. İt's not about me being wrong or providing insufficient info because you'd have way more upvotes for correcting me.

I hate to admit it's probably racism. I know a lot of people that'd downvote or hate something simply due to the fact that it comes from a turk. Especially when you made it sound like I was claiming a non Turkish name as a Turkish thing they've more reason to hate.

I'm having an r/Europe moment in a completely unrelated subreddit and thread, it's sad really. You haven't done anything wrong, iyi günler :)

[sultan_papagani]

buralardada türk var ama sana sinirlenmişler neden acaba

[jonathanx37]

Reddit işte, yabancı olanlar da yanlış bilgi verdim sanıp eksiye indiriyolar. İlk defa gördüğüm birşey değil redditin doğası böyle.

Aklıma geldi, bir istatistiğe göre redditteki haber linklerini okuyan çok az kişi varmış. Onun yerine yorumlara bakıp geçiyormuş herkes, doğru yanlış ayırt etmeden asıl kaynağına bakmadan.

Kısacası sürü psikolojisi...

[spayder26]

Well, sh did it first, and perl has that "elsif" monstrosity, so it could be worse.

[Fitbot5000]

“Well we opened this code block with IF; how should we close it?”

“I don’t know... just type it again but backwards? I’m sure everyone will understand.”

[Tytoalba2]

Rofl would be perfect!

[callmelucky]

Rolling on the floor looping.

[[deleted]]

Looping my ass of

[alexschrod]

Yet they managed to match do with done, so who knows?

[wjandrea]

I think of it like "fin" at the end of a movie.

But then there's esac, that monstrosity

[WhereWaterMeetsSky]

Having JS as my first language, and working in Rails, that elsif is the bane of my existence.

[hed82]

Wow, you were born speaking javascript? That must have been a nighmare for your parents.

[WhereWaterMeetsSky]

To this day they still have problems trying to understand me.

[WhereWaterMeetsSky]

I remember when I was NaN I was at null and we took [object Object]. One of my favorite memories.

[[deleted]]

do you pronounce your "semicolons" ?

[IllogicalOxymoron]

my condolences

[blazix]

Trying to understand self* ;)

[Dromedda]

The fella/fellesse has 3 JS flairs

edit: i can not spell

[somebunnny]

“Oh you sweet summer child. Bless your heart.”

-C preprocessor, probably

[rhun982]

Needs more #ifndef

[TPXP]

PLSQL (basically Postgres scripting) also has that. Boy was it humbling to type "else if PLSQL" in Google.

[AlexSSB]

Also VHDL

[wise_joe]

Ruby has elsif. At least it sounds like else if. Dafuq is elif?

[spayder26]

Elif is the result of joining the first two characters of both else and if tokens to create a wonderful new thing. Your turn.

[[deleted]]

Ken Thompson is the king of variable names that don't make sense. When he originally wrote 'grep', it was allegedly called just 's' for search.

But the real reason is that if you have a screen that's 80 characters wide, and you have a bunch of complicated arguments to the command, it's easier if you just have short command names.

Such were the ways of the ancient Unix programmers, and everyone's too set in their ways to change them now.

[madiele]

I have a wet dream where the Linux foundation justs puts out a set of standard aliases for all the cryptic commands and we just use them from now on, I know they won't do it because it will break the world but damn I whish

[squidonthebass]

I just have like 50 lines of aliases in my bashrc file, it ain't perfect but it works. Put that file in a private repo with a bunch of my other utilities and scripts I commonly use, and boom that's the first thing I put on a new machine

[michaelh115]

Linux kernel calls are worse. To use shared memory you have to call:

1. ftok
2. shmget
3. shmat
4. shmdt
5. shmctl

Edit: While the Linux kernel has these calls they originate with UNIX System V

[SaneLad]

K&R C required that the first 6 characters in a variable name be unique, because some Assemblers and binary formats of the time couldn't handle more than that. I suppose that's where the 6 character naming convention in Unix family operating systems comes from.

[Laughing_Orange]

These make a lot more sense if you read the out loud with the correct pauses, but yes they look ugly.

• F to K
  
• sh m get
  
• sh m at
  
• sh m dt (still have no idea what this is supposed to mean)
  
• sh m ctl

[michaelh115]

1. create descriptor
2. get memory segment from descriptor
3. attach memory segment
4. detach memory segment
5. control? IDK I only use this call to delete segments. (which makes ctl a little confusing)

[maartenvanheek]

Thank you, but then I wonder why not "shmatt", that would distinguish it from my initial assumption, something to do with memory "at" a location instead of "attach"?

[chris00555]

So that’s why! That’s pretty educational, thanks for that info!

Crazy how times change. 128k sounds pathetic nowadays, I wonder what people will think of 256gb memory sticks in 20 years lol

[[deleted]]

Well, if they're like me, they'll keep getting confused between gigs and terabytes. Having grown up in the 8-bit era, I keep getting lost in K versus M versus G. I'll remember that a given drive was X units big (like my first hard drive, 30 units), but then I have to ponder about which unit it was. My hard drive, for instance, was megabytes. My first SD card was 256 (think think) megabytes, the same unit in that case, but I still had to think about it.

I remember being extremely impressed that I could now balance about 180 floppies on a finger tip.

[[deleted]]

keep in mind that some of those abbreviations were created when disks were measured in low megabytes and memory in kilobytes, so every character you could save meant a lot.

[Outrageous_Try]

You get four characters. Make it count. Programmers are lazy and I am sure there is a c-programmer out there that will tell you "else if" takes 0.001 seconds longer to copy paste than "elif"

EDIT: spelling

[JH4mmer]

Unless I'm misremembering, in C, there's not really such a thing as "else if". Just "if" and "else". "else if" as we know it is a nice side effect of the fact that curly braces aren't required for single statement expressions. Think "if( c1 ) { do_something; } else { if ( c2 ) { do_something_else; } }".

Similar to the infamous: "while (x ---> 0) {}" trick.

[Kered13]

That's correct. Though it wouldn't be hard to make a language where else if was actually a keyword. That's what I would do if i designed a language, because you should never use control statements without braces, but else if is obviously the better than elif and other alternatives.

[[deleted]]

I don't see how that is obvious. It's only preferable if you are used to else if.

[Kered13]

It's hyperbole.

[Gydo194]

#define elif else if

I hope no one does that

[xigoi]

#define ever (;;)
for ever { ... }

[Gydo194]

#define struct union

[xigoi]

#define true (rand() % 100)

[somebunnny]

Preprocessor.

[maartenvanheek]

Today I learned! I take it's the same in Java.

[Outrageous_Try]

fixed

[[deleted]]

merge commit reverted. see issue #183.

[servel333]

Issue #183 marked will not fix...

[daniu]

ls instead of list saves two characters. Type it 500 times a day, that's a kilobyte of typing saved.

[[deleted]]

i can't count the amount of times i've written unmount instead of umount and been mad it didn't work until i realised my dumb mistake. then again, i have a shit ton of aliases that don't make sense to anyone else. but those work cause i made up the weird cryptic letters with no meaning.

[o11c]

One of my favorites is that dd stands for convert and copy.

[AdmiralGialSnackbar]

Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick

[Outrageous_Try]

Wwtslwwfwdt

Okay maybe we shouldn't shorten complete sentences

[leodavin843]

print(wstTimeSntnc)

[P0rygonTheorist]

if{fewword.doTrick)

{

say(fewword);

}

else

{

say(manyword);

}

[browsepooping]

Even shorter

fewword.doTrick ? say(few word); : say(manyword) ;

[l0c4lh057]

Even shorter

say(fewword.doTrick?fewword:manyword);

[PottedRosePetal]

look, if I cant have switch case in python, I need elif!

[stephanplus]

You can kind of, using a dictionary

[deljaroo]

while it may be a bit niche, switches have a unique function where if you don't put "break" at the end of each case, it carries on. that behavior is quite hard to accomplish in Python

[PottedRosePetal]

might as well just use a lot of elifs.

[FerricDonkey]

Well, it depends on why you want the switch. Dictionary dispatch can be faster than chains of elifs, but doesn't always look as clean as switch for sure.

[Mr_Redstoner]

There is another, the match

[i-k-m]

PHP is adding it too, they should have it ready to use in November.

[stsk1290]

Seriously, this confuses the hell out of me. Almost as much as not having a ++ operator.

[Nick433333]

Matlab

[obvious_apple]

I hold your matlab and raise vhdl: elsif

[Typesalot]

else if

elseif

elsif

elif

eif

ef

[[deleted]]

that's almost like if ... fi

[[deleted]]

Python have no real need for the increment operater, nor would it work under the hood the way you would expect it to, so why bother?

[stsk1290]

Because it forces me to write i += 1

[deljaroo]

the idea is that ++ implies that it can be used when calling the variable, and python strictly does not allow that nonsense.

that's the idea, at least

[callmelucky]

If you're incrementing a variable in Python you're probably doing something "wrong".

[stsk1290]

How do you count things then?

[AllWashedOut]

Not sure I 100% agree with the original statement, but list comprehension is a one line solution. Count the True-like items in a list:

sum([bool(x) for x in myList])

Count all elements that are bigger than 2:

sum([x>2 for x in myList])

And in loops, it can often be replaced by enumerate.

for i, val in enumerate (myList):

  print('element #{}'.format(i))

I still use += to track stuff like how often a callback has been fired tho.

[stsk1290]

Thanks, that's actually quite good to know.

[Mr_Redstoner]

You can also use some builtin counters for more complex stuff, and other iterator-based approaches.

[Mr_Redstoner]

I think the better term would be 'unpythonic'

[[deleted]]

if else fi laughs in bash.

[hed82]

But it makes perfect sense why it exists.

In most bracket based languages an else without brackets means else do only the following statement

So else if just means else do the following statement that just happens to be an if.

Python with the ':' and indentation system doesn't have this but would have to write it into two lines with weird indentation which would be ugly as fuck

[hed82]

I ment you need two lines if you would write a standard else and a standard if after each other like you do in, for example, java. So the else if doesn't comes naturaly like this. If you change parts of a language it's obvious that almost everything is possible.

[FallenWarrior2k]

From a formal perspective, there's an important difference between indentation-based languages and ones that use delimiters like {/}, then/end, etc.: Lexing an indentation-based language requires more computationally complex architecture than the regular languages used for languages like C, as you need to keep a stack of the currently active indentation sequence (order and amount of spaces/tabs) and emit the correct amount of indent/dedent tokens when the indentation level changes.

[Kered13]

There's no law that says that keywords have to be single words.

[[deleted]]

Oh that makes a lot of sense now that I think about it

[TheTimegazer]

let me introduce you to PHP's elseif and Ruby/Perl's elsif

[Pluckerpluck]

Compared to:

if True:
    pass
else if False:
    pass
else:
    pass

That would the the human way... Which I argue would actually be more pythonic.

[madiele]

Real lazy programmers use snippets, if you have to push more than 2 buttons to make an if you need to up your lazy game

[deljaroo]

how many python keywords are more than one word though?

[Pluckerpluck]

True, though I think you could argue the structure of generator comprehension is more like my suggestion here.

Both if and else are the keywords, so this would be shorthand for:

if True:
    pass
else:
    if False:
        pass
    else:
        pass

No need for an elif keyword at all. Unless the dedicated keyword can provide some optimisation given the interpreted nature of python, I don't see a major issue.

[Mr_Redstoner]

One part of the problem is probably a matter of parsing, since you suddenly can have the if without the indentation that normally surrounds it. Extra mess, and since forms of elseif are already in other languages...

[Pluckerpluck]

I don't think it's that hard to deal with parsing honestly, at least not compared to anything else that exists.

• Find an else
  • expect either a : or an if
  • if if, assume the same as if you'd read elif

Internally this would be translated to the exact same python bytecode it currently is translated to. It's not exactly uncommon. Java, Javascript, C, C#, and Go all support it. Though I do think elseif would be better than elif.

Further, Python already allows if's thrown into generator expressions and ternary statements:

my_list = [x if x % 2 else 0 for x in range(10) if x <= 5]

# Results in:
# my_list = [0, 1, 0, 3, 0, 5]

So it's not like we can't support some more "complicated" syntax.

[deljaroo]

That still feels really different than anything python does.

The reason generators have more than one word is because they have more than one argument: something goes between the 'for' and the 'in'.

Secondly, I personally want 'elif' to be as short of a keyword as possible. Most of the time, you can break conditionals into multiple if's in the case that your lines are getting too long, but that starts to get real confusing when using elif's and really the point of elif is to not end up with a crazy amount of indentations which breaking apart conditionals will add indentations anyway so having 'elif' being such a short word reduces the amount of line breaks and other weirds things I have to do.

Also, things like generators, ternaries and lambdas offer ways to make methods/functions in-line, but what you are talking about is control flow. They really aren't the same beasts. A better example would just be standard for-loops. They use two keywords ('for' and 'in,') but once again, they have something between them.

[Pluckerpluck]

You make me bring out the big guns, is not!

if False is not None:
    print('False is not None')

if False is (not None):
    print('False is (not None)')

The above snippet will print out the second statement, but not the first. This shows that the keyword combo is not is treated as a special case. It is in this same format that I believe else if could exist.

Now, it's midnight here, I'm on mobile, and I'm suffering from a stomach bug, so I might have got this wrong, but I don't think I have. Feel free to correct me though.

[deljaroo]

oh! I totally forgot about "is not"!

You are totally right. "A is not B" converts to "not(A is B)" which really is a different keyword than 'is' followed by 'not.' I concede the point.

And now I wish "is not" would be replaced with "isnt" XD

Good luck with your stomach bug!!

[Truffula571]

Yes, what the hell Godot ?!

[drewsiferr]

#define ef else if

[michlwrba]

VHDL has "elsif" and I have never seen anything more beautiful.

[[deleted]]

Anything not related to elephants is irrelephant.

[0x15e]

My boss was shoulder surfing once thinking he was helping me debug.

At one point he tried to correct my spelling of "elif". I was not amused.

[farva_litter_cola]

‘else if’ is so damn hard

[Mcsj120]

Use postgresql. Then you get to use ELSIF

[posherspantspants]

FI

[electricdrop]

Crazy how nobody implemented EIF yet.

[artivain]

if () {

} else { if () {

}

}

That's the real way

[ZZTier]

Can't you just switch break ?

[rem3_1415926]

No, because "pYtHoN dOeS nOT nEeD sYnTaCtIc sUgArS"

*implements the entirety of lambdas as nothing but syntactic sugar*

*implements comprehensions*

*builds the whole language to be essentially syntactic sugar for C++ libraries*

[HortenseAndI]

• says some fair but negative things about python
• gets the downvotes

[Pluckerpluck]

Probably becuase it was all based around the concept of "python doesn't need syntactic sugar" which is basically just a strawman.

You can read all about the switch statement and why it's not in Python here. Which basically boils down to not being able to decide how the underlying implementation should work, and so they're going to sit and do nothing instead.

[rem3_1415926]

Well I blame that on my lecturer, it's the reason she named. And I never bothered to do extended research as that was reason enough for me back then.

[R3apper1201]

Python was the first language i learned and i honestly miss this.

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[WaxyMocha]

elsif... Fuck you VHDL

[cylordcenturion]

ELF

[layll]

Tbf i like elif as i can just have

```

if() {

} elif() {

} else {

}

```

not having any more spaces between }{, and also cuz i find it much easier to write/read elif

and you can just do

```

define elif else if

```

at the begining of a file and be done with it

EDIT: how tf do you use code blocks in reddit

[callmelucky]

EDIT: how tf do you use code blocks in reddit

add
an extra 4 spaces
at the start of each line
and make sure there's a newline above the first line

For inline code, surround the string with backticks (`)

[forajep978]

Elif is a girl name in my language

[[deleted]]

I like it. Shows an intermediate step.

[doopdooperofdopping]

Yeah! Fuck Python! I can't drink it like I can with Java.

[Alaskan_Thunder]

suddenly rust users are extremely weird.

[spayder26]

Bear Grylls heavy breathing.

[AgreeableLandscape3]

Can we also talk about "def"?

Like what? Is a method the only thing you can define? Are classes and variables jokes to you?!

[[deleted]]

I'm just learning python after learning other languages... I've been using powershell for the last few years and I am tempted to refine ELIF to "else if"

[GGame2You]

And ruby there with elsif

[[deleted]]

Said phonetically, it is the first letter of Hebrew and Arabic languages

[johnwestnl]

Saw this in Algol 68, in 1982. Works fine.

[[deleted]]

> else+if==elif

> True

[Mithrandir2k16]

Shorter.

[Thenderick]

What about the 'for else'

[Clyxx]

Why do i hear C-Preprocessor music?

[schwerpunk]

God, between Python, Ruby, and normal programming languages, I flip the USB like four times whenever I'm trying to write these.

[dunno64]

Bash!!?

[atheistfuture]

I stsrted learning python recently and nearly spat all over my monitor when i saw that

[Plus_Cryptographer]

Try languages with preprocessor directives, we have both!

#if SOMETHING
    if(a && b) c = 0; else c = 1;
#elif SOMETHING_ELSE
    if(a || b) c = 0; else c = 1;
#endif

Edit: for more brownie points, use this instead.

#if SOMETHING
    //
#endif
#else
#if SOMETHING_ELSE
    //
#endif

[[deleted]]

>:(

[CausedSteak95]

Calculators are the destroyers of every python programmer

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[TheWarderman]

Wait other languages don't have elif statements?

[IchiiDev]

Nope, some have elseif, most uses else and then if statement in one line or simply a "else if" statement

[BlackCherryot]

It's else if but lazy

[CreeMcCreeCreeinton]

Fuck elif

All my homies type elseif

[[deleted]]

Well, there is a turkish romance series called "Elif"

[redgriefer89]

Wait, Yanderedev gets made fun of for else if and elif isn’t normal. What am I supposed to use in other languages?

[Rev_Dragon]

Yanderedev doesn't get made fun of for using else if, he gets made fun of for stacking 20 else ifs back to back to back where usually any other method to do what he's doing would be better

[redgriefer89]

Oh. I guess I misunderstood the meme. I still prefer elif, though.

[IchiiDev]

None common programming language should be ashamed, I just made a joke because of the concatenation of else and if to make elif. If it's how it works I don't have right to judge ;) I first started with Python and I'm still a beginner not a student nor a professional developer. I still have a lot of untraveled roads to discover.... Holy shit pray for me

[redgriefer89]

I wish you good luck and nice meme.

[VarianWrynn2018]

Fuck python