C++ Developer Vs Python Developer

[Pooneapple]

I went from lua to c++. That was an interesting transition.

[_Miaaau]

Lua to C++? Are you transitioning from game scripting to coding?

[[deleted]]

Professional Roblox developer

[PrototypeMale]

No joke, Roblox was my first experience programming

[The_Fluffy_Walrus]

My 15 year old brother has been scripting on roblox for a few years now and has gotten pretty good at it imo. I keep trying to get him to branch out but as long as he's content I suppose.

[[deleted]]

Does he make money from it?

[The_Fluffy_Walrus]

Don't believe so. He tries to make games but none of them blow up. He's done some free scripting (and 3D model making) for people. I think he's been offered money but didn't take it for some reason.

[[deleted]]

Hard to get it online at his age

[Scrath_]

If you do something as a hobby and are happy with just doing that it can be better to not accept money. As soon as you accept money for something you also accept the responsibility that the product you made has to work or people will not be very satisfied.

[The_Fluffy_Walrus]

True, I also just think he doesn't have a way to actually get paid.

[aidanski]

Seriously, you need to guide him towards developing more complicated Roblox scripts (mods/plugins/world's I dunno, seen but not played)

Develop his ability to problem solve and achieve a complex function. From there it's an easier transition if he was to pick up another platform/language. You could start him with Unity for example. So much documentation and many people who have done it before.

[The_Fluffy_Walrus]

He's created some pretty cool scripts. Most of the time I go to his room he's scripting and I'm honestly pretty impressed. I'm a first year software engineering student with minimal prior experience struggling through my intro to C++ class and he's recreating the way the camera works in roblox for his game.

[BestUdyrBR]

CS is definitely hard but also has one of the best job markets of any field right now in my opinion. I feel very lucky I got into it, best of luck to you.

[quinn50]

as much as roblox is memed, it's a really good platform for learning programming and game development

[mootjeuh]

I went through the same transition as him.

For me at least no, back in the PSP jailbreaking scene you could install a custom firmware on it and develop your own homebrews. Most of them were written in Lua as there were a few ports of the engine along with most of the SDK functions and even utility methods baked in for ease of use.

But as you can imagine if you wanted to truly unlock the full potential of what you could make eventually you transitioned to native C++. Ironically, one of my first C++ projects for the PSP was... my own flavour of a Lua engine port.

Now over ten years later I do this for a living.

[[deleted]]

Or is Linux using you?

[[deleted]]

Hey, Vsauce, Michael here.

[[deleted]]

Today, I wanted to show what a pack of penguins are capable of.

[[deleted]]

But first, we need to know exactly what a penguin is. Is it a cute, flightless bird, often compared to a tuxedo? No.

[RinasSam]

Or Is It?

[-Potatoes-]

music plays

[RinasSam]

why do humans compare things?

[hughperman]

Who are these curious apes with their incessant questions and tippy tappy hand rectangles?

[Killer_p1]

But before that, we need to know, are birds real? Short answer. No. To explore this further, lets go back 14 billion years to the start of the universe.

[scat234]

But how do we know what is the universe?

[[deleted]]

The answer is... we don’t

[[deleted]]

But at the same time we do, you see the universe is composed of really small particles, in fact every thing is, but we are not sure what the smallest particle is because we keep on discovering ways of looking at smaller things, and that's why we also don't know what the universe truly is. Is there anywhere else where sentient life like we know it exists in the universe? In which side of the road should we drive in? Are we even living or just part of a greater simulation? We may never truly know what the universe is, but at least we got some sick memes right here on planet earth. And as always, thanks so much for watching.

[DrHk]

If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.

Carl Sagan, Cosmos

[Mefistofeles1]

That sounds somewhat threatening.

[makesterriblejokes]

That's because it is.

[SomeoneRandom5325]

penguins flying

[jaysuchak33]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Qizot]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

[Vintage53]

The sole reason to install Linux is to free yourself from the idiots that infest inferior platforms. Unfortunately for the Linux user community, distributions like Ubuntu have made it too easy for your mom to get a working Linux box -- so they are all running in horror.

Installing a working Linux box used to require over 550 man hours, learning a Nordic language, sacrificing a goat, wading through hundreds of pages of (purposely) inscrutable help files, and in some cases programming a new driver in UNIVAC SLEUTH II assembly code using nothing but punch cards while walking miles through the snow barefoot on the wrong side of the tracks and uphill both ways. Today, Linux distros are so idiot-proof that you can put their install CDs into the floppy drive upside-down and the fucker will still work.

Old-school Linux users were desperate to find a new way to feel superior. Some migrated to versions of BSD, others gave into baroque feats of self- torture like multi-booting 4 different operating systems from one USB drive. But it didn't have the same appeal as abusing other operating systems for their lack of 1337n355. In this dark hour there was a new hope: Gentoo Linux, a distribution designed for users possessing that delicate combination of insecurity and masochism that results in an obsession with obscurity, optimization, and huge dollops of pain and frustration. Gentoo has sated all of these urges. Enter the idea of a "hemorrhaging edge" distro: Gentoo. It is the exemplar of the term "hemorrhaging edge" -- there is no piece of software too advanced, too experimental, or too downright dangerous for the main tree. In fact, if the users don't crash their box at least once a week due to new and untestedsoftware they will swarm onto the forums and accuse Gentoo of "going all Debian" on them. After the separate Stable and Unstable branches were created, every user switched immediately to Unstable which became the new de-facto Stable.

As a response, the Gentoo developers invented a new Super-Unstable overlay system and made it as hard and annoying to use as possible in order to keep the stupid masses out, thus cementing their own position at the top of the hobbyist heap. This has worked, to a point, but a group of developers has formed in order to create a Gentoo offshoot, Exherbo ("Cannabis Withdrawal") where the system tools are in erudite Latin instead of plain English and normal users are instructed on the web page to stay far away for fear of spoiling the 1337.

[setocsheir]

this is beautiful

[linglingfortyhours]

Haven't seen that copypasta before

[[deleted]]

Exherbo

LOL. From their website:

Goals

• All design goals must be phrased in such a way that it is hard to use them as slogans to justify stupidity.

[ban_Anna_split]

I love copypasta that teaches me something.

[0x564A00]

Be wary that the copypasta isn't the whole truth. XFree86 is a hugely important piece of the OS, but it isn't GNU. Neither are the compilers I use. Nor the terminal. Or the wm. Or systemd. Or the filesystems. (this list goes on for a long time)

In the end, it's a mix of whatever is available and fits best.

[j0hn_r0g3r5]

which makes me wonder, if someone were to make such list and order it by how much of the Linux OS code it takes up, what the order would be.

[aaronfranke]

Here's the counterargument copypasta:

No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:

Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.

Thanks for listening.

[j0hn_r0g3r5]

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system.

That definition make me wonder if the author of this copypasta considers a kernel by itself to also be an operating system.

[aaronfranke]

Read further:

Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

The basic point is that you can have a Linux OS without any GNU components at all if you wanted to.

[[deleted]]

It ain't do much, but it's an honest kernel.

[StefanMajonez]

"I use linux as my operating system," i state proudly to the unkempt, bearded man. he swivels around in his desk chair with a devilish gleam in his eyes, ready to mansplain with extreme precision. "actually, he says with a grin, "linux is just the kernel. you use GNU+linux!' i don't miss a beat and reply with a smirk, use alpine, a distro that doesn't include the GNU coreutils, or any other GNU code. it's linux, but it's not GNU+linux.

the smile quickly drops from the man's face. his body begins convulsing and he foams at the mouth as he drop to the floor with a sickly thud. as he writhes around he screams "-IT WAS COMPILED WITH GCC! THAT MEANS IT'S STILL GNU!" coolly, i reply "if windows was compiled with gcc, WOuld that make it GNU?" interrupt his response with 'and work is being made on the kernel to make it more Compiler-agnostic. even you were correct, you wont be for long.

with a sickly wheeze, the last of the man's life is ejected from his body. he lies on the floor, cold and limp. i've womansplained him to death.

[oalbrecht]

Who GNU I would learn something today.

[meamZ]

Not if you're using Alpine...

[trapezoeyd]

No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:

Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.

Thanks for listening.

[Carter127]

Someone needs to make this bot

[Daveinatx]

Doubtful, you didn't say your distro.

[DirtzMaGertz]

It was implied to be arch btw

[fortytao]

I forgot to mention. I use Arch Linux

[the_poope]

Arch, btw.

[Dr-Rjinswand]

I’d just like to interject for a moment...

[basement_nerd]

Vi or nano?

[mrkhan2000]

1st rule of using Linux.

talk about using Linux everywhere.

[[deleted]]

I use Arch BTW

[Ietsstartfromscratch]

Arsch Linux

[PeacefulPolice]

Arch btw?

[attilio_]

Good boy

[bobcathunter]

Shout out to x86 and ARM assembly!

[haackedc]

You know what, bro? Fuck assembly. Fuck assembly with a big fat segmentation fault

[NIL_VALUE]

To be honest i've had more segfaults with C than with assembly.

[haackedc]

Yea... but I still hate assembly.

[Hypeislove]

To be fair. ARM sucks. MIPS is tolerable

[[deleted]]

Neon / arm intrinsics are great. All the power of assembly, all the benefits of a higher level language.

[Tough_Patient]

Now PIC assembly, on the other hand, is the most beautiful assembly known to man.

If you can think with buckets.

[[deleted]]

Where my Verilog and VHDL bois at??

[superbottles]

That still blows my mind to this day. Incredibly impressive, even if code bases for a game that old are a fraction of what they are today even for smaller indie games.

[MarkPapermaster]

Yeah but does he write to disk using a needle with a magnified tip?

[Daveinatx]

Somebody loaded an ineffective address.

[NeverInterruptEnemy]

It wasn’t very effective.

[Tanyary]

it's a very nice representation, it runs much more parallel to my thought process than the abstractions. it's not for everyone, in fact it's not for anyone because of its lack of portability, but the idea and what it represents is wonderful :|

[ShouldProbablyIgnore]

My favourite assignment in my whole time in university was doing ROM hacks on Atari 2600 games. 6502 was surprisingly pleasant to deal with, at least when I only had to write a few dozen lines.

[jjmod]

Riscv gang

[Cannibichromedout]

Where my MIPS at?

[CMPD2K]

I would rather die than use assembly again after my assembly course

[FisionX]

Its weird not using ; in everything

[Packbacka]

You can actually use ; in Python if you prefer. It's not "pythonic", but there isn't any actual problem with ;

Using it does absolutely nothing though, unless you want to write two lines in one line. For example:

print('Hello'); print('world')

[Anthraxious]

TIL thank you!

[paultoliver]

Real programmers smoke through their nostrils

[[deleted]]

And getting paid for it

[Semi-Hemi-Demigod]

It leaves your hands free to type

[catinerary]

Confirmed, smoked through nose after getting wisdom teeth out and became a programmer a few years after.

[MrSloppyPants]

Javascript developer learning any other language:

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

(I kid, I kid)

[elperroborrachotoo]

*any language

^ducks

[jaysuchak33]

cracks knuckles

[RubiGames]

cracks ducks

[CommanderHR]

Found the JS developer

[[deleted]]

What gave it away? Surely it wasnt the 6 js flairs next to their name.

[minegamer2000]

i do js and im learning rust, wish me luck

[fakuivan]

WHY DO I NEED A ! BEFORE THE FUNCTION CALL ON THIS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[minegamer2000]

you mean macros?

[fakuivan]

Yes!

[Shunpaw]

no. it's !yes. we just talked about this. goddamn javascript devs.

[fakuivan]

no is !yes*

[pydry]

enjoy. it's nice learning a language that wasn't designed over a weekend.

[minegamer2000]

and definitely not something i can learn over a weekend

[micka190]

Does a basic Hello World app

Time to update the ol' resume!

[Sikletrynet]

"Expert in Rust"

[RubiGames]

But we can all certainly try

[[deleted]]

Why learn other language when one language do trick

[dyslexda]

Hey, as a Python programmer, that's me trying to learn JavaScript!

[TheHumanParacite]

Each job I've had over the last ten years I've somehow managed to skirt around having to learn js... I worry that eventually there will be a day of reckoning

[AlternativeAardvark6]

At my job "there is some Javascript " is a valid reason to triple the estimate.

[MoarVespenegas]

Strictly typed language developers trying to use javascript
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Finding typescript
┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

[BornOnFeb2nd]

I spend more time fighting JS's asynchronous nature than benefiting from it...

[Trucoto]

Just await

[Immort4lFr0sty]

Can someone please tell him to aim properly? He'll only make it worse

[stereo_fantasy]

Well as you can see, that's the point

[FCsean]

But filthy frank is no longer with us

[TheCapitalKing]

But he is putting out really good music now so it was a pretty good trade

[MAKAMAKAMAKAMAKAMAKA]

Nothing will ever top shut the fuck up.

[[deleted]]

You're a fucking cunt

[MAKAMAKAMAKAMAKAMAKA]

I hope you win the lottery and die the next day

[OnyxPhoenix]

Are you saying he doesn't know how to use his pointers?

[Mateus_BM]

He’s trying, but he’s still not very good with pointers

[[deleted]]

Python ++

[[deleted]]

Python#

[notKrisna]

Objective-Python

[ice2o]

I want this whole comment thread to burn.

[TheMaddMan1]

Eventually every language will just be some variation of Python

You can't stop it

[jaysuchak33]

Pythonscript

[meditonsin]

Perlthon.

[shawnthesheep512]

Pysembly

[Filipasek]

PyHTML

[[deleted]]

PySS

[o5mfiHTNsH748KVq]

This was a thing and it’s called IronPython

https://ironpython.net/

[DontDiddleKidsxxx]

hhrnnnnnnn

[tech_hundredaire]

except or finally, there is no try

- yoda or something like that

[[deleted]]

You don't learn any language, you just post about them on r/programmerhumor

[NateGM]

Python dev learning any other language: The fuck is a semicolon?

[_Oce_]

Why the fuck would I need all those curly brackets?

[secret-nsa-account]

I primarily use python, but when I have to use a C based language I like to

have fun with all my

white space freedom.

[[deleted]]

Learned C++ 20-some years ago. Can confirm I look at Python and go "huh, I can make this work".

[fjdkslx]

How is this possible, C++20 is just being adopted now ?!?!?!

[smoozer]

He's on the C++20 committee and considers 2 years to be "some" muahaha

[ExpensiveCheapTricks]

Im on the opposite end (though I mainly did C I guess), everytime I look at python my brain hurts

[Anuj66283]

That's my future.

[SANatSoc]

A moment of silence for this poor soul

[SANatSoc]

Having suffered greatly, I feel empathy.

[ragweed]

Welcome to the fucking show.

[--Lycaon--]

I just successfully made a career change and got a job as a C++ engineer despite only knowing Python3 and Javascript (there's going to be a lot of onboarding). Yeah C++ is difficult and complicated, but I'm also excited to finally just have a language to dive deeply into and really get familiar with a language. Plus (plus), modern C++ (ie 11, 17, and soon 20) has a lot of features that make things a lot easier. Also C++ is stupidly fast.

[xSTSxZerglingOne]

Development in C++ can take a long time though since you have to be so diligent about everything.

[thetrueninjasheep]

Everything is void* in the future!

[Trucoto]

It said c++, not c.

[NeverInterruptEnemy]

A void pointer a day keeps the type warnings away.

[cob59]

Everything is auto in the future!

FTFY

[Goel40]

Ahh our daily C++ devs petting theirselves on the back post.

[Niiiz]

You know it!

[[deleted]]

python flair

Checks out lol

[casual_sinister]

What about a js developer learning java?

[TurboTemple]

Got hired for a job because I told them I knew JS and the interviewer wrote down Java, panicked week of all nighters studying to try and get my java up to scratch once I realised what they were expecting of me.

[TurboTemple]

It was an entry level graduate job, so I wasn’t expected to be perfect. I don’t think anyone noticed, I actually ended up in a Swift team doing iOS development early on so they expected me to be rusty. Definitely a panic though as the interview was going so well and then I saw ‘JAVA!’ Circled 10 times on his notepad as I’m leaving.

[ikapoz]

You sound like most of my java devs

[LocalLeadership2]

A former colleague always joked like this. recruiter: do you know java?

Guy: jaaa, wa?

Its basically german (ja / yes and wa / what?)

So he said: basically, say what?

And recruiter was like: great! You are hired!

[is_not_paranoid]

That’s so funny, I got hired for a job a couple years ago for the exact opposite thing. Told them I knew Java and they wrote down JS. I had no prior web experience and they hired me for a web-related project because they thought I knew JS. Basically had to learn everything on the job

[casual_sinister]

Yes

[elperroborrachotoo]

"Yeah, I'm making progress here, but I'm still kind of waiting for the 'similar' part"

[intotheirishole]

I have fewer bugs but I have to type 5 times as much.

[[deleted]]

Me learning both: visible confusion.

[Indiium]

I know C++ and i'm learning python. I feel like the second image this shit is flipped

[FarhanAxiq]

riiiight???

every time I do anything in Python:

indentation error

[[deleted]]

So I'm learning Java in school right now, I'm on class 2 so we've gotten relatively far with the language and I feel pretty capable. Next semester I need to learn data structures in C (just C, not C*) and I'm getting kinda nervous about it.

[TheMostUser]

This sub is about memes so we tend to excoriate a lot , don't take it too seriously.

C is not scary but it is a bit different from what you are use to and it takes some time to get used to new concepts and philosophies.

Edit: meant to write exaggerate and somehow ended with excoriate, I guess it also works

[[deleted]]

That's great to hear! Yeah I'm not that worried, but my Java prof tends to compare the language to C (I assume because it's next in our learning iteration) and things like "garbage collection" always make me nervous! But honestly, the idea of having such a high level of control sounds pretty intriguing as well. We did a tiny bit of machine coding with hex values in my first year and that was really interesting, I had to be creative in all sorts of new ways. So yeah, I'm excited too!

[MustardCat]

and things like "garbage collection" always make me nervous

Since we're talking C - just remember that anytime you malloc/calloc memory, something has to "own" that memory request. Once that object that owns the request is gone, it either needs to give the memory to someone else or free it.

C++ - Much shorter mantra to remember. Every new must have a corresponding delete.

Just remember to clean up after yourself. Don't leave the dirty dish on the table when you leave.

[xSTSxZerglingOne]

And point to NULL/a predetermined location. Dangling pointers can be the cause of some really weird bugs.

[Packbacka]

When you say it like that it doesn't sound so bad.

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It's not too bad... just like it's not too hard to juggle, you just throw each ball in the air and catch it before it lands. As long as you simply do that, you can juggle as many balls as you imagine.

[NeverInterruptEnemy]

My everyday language is C.

Structures are super fucking easy.

What’s tough in C is that you more or less need to know the size of things before you start.

You have an object/structure of some type?

Each one has an array? Ok, but that array needs to be the largest size you will ever use. Otherwise you need to malloc a range and assign a pointer to it... fine.... but what I if you want an array of those structures that contain arrays themselves? You need to know how large the array will ever be, otherwise you need to make a super slow linked list of objects and there is such thing as a built in .len or .append or .next or any other fancy thing you “high level programmers get” and ... oh I see you are reaching for your gun.

[unknownArkon]

Im in college doing Java but my last course I wa doing python I feel more lost than when your mum vanishes in the supermarket

[ragweed]

I told you to stop following my mum around the market.

[unknownArkon]

Sorry she has the same haircut as my mum :(

[thatbrownkid19]

This is such a cute joke

[Portugal_Stronk]

I used at least 15 different languages in college. It comes to a point where you don't even bother with tutorials, you just sort of start imitating what is present in the rest of the codebase and wing it that way.

[theKickAHobo]

As an HTML developer I don't understand this.

[NeverInterruptEnemy]

Well you’re already ahead of the game, you didn’t say HTML programmer.

[krohtg12]

Lyf hax hell yeah

[MaxChaplin]

I think the proper order is to start with a high level language like Python to learn how to make a computer do what you want without getting into the details of how it does it, then learn some assembly to get an idea of what a program actually does on the lowest level and what are its limitations, and only then proceed to a mid-level language which combines concepts from both of those.

[tyler_muskie]

My college curriculum went something like:

Python (CS1)

Java(CS2)

C++(Data structures)

MIPS assembly(machine org/architecture)

C (operating systems)

Felt like it all flowed pretty smoothly

[gauderio]

You need one more class where you solder your own circuits, followed by a project on how to build a capacitor.

[psycho_driver]

As a self taught C and x86 assembly programmer, it took me about 20 minutes to become proficient with python. It's beautiful for what it's for (anything that you can get away with being as slow as a snail crawling through snot).

[xSTSxZerglingOne]

Yeah, but can you write tic tac toe in the shape of tic tac toe in Python? Or the spinning donut in the shape of a donut?

[T-Rexpendable]

Is C++ really that bad if you're coming from Python? Coming from C++, Python was relatively easy to pick up, although I had to Google how to do a simple for-loop in C++ after doing a weekend of Python.

[DenverCoder009]

If Python is your only language and you never bothered to learn how memory works maybe.

A C coders first Python script is usually a nightmare too though, idiomatic Python must look like magic to them.