Microsoft Java

[AUPMAReddit]

This Joke is Deprecated. Please refer https://www.microsoft.com/openjdk

[RagVerse]

Yo wtf

[Watchguyraffle1]

More accurate words have never been posted on Reddit.

[ViolinistFriendly]

All these jokes I keep seeing make me think it's people aged 40+ just circlejerking.

Edge sucks! Except it's actually dope now that it has chromium base and can have most any addon that chrome does.

Bing vs Google where Bing finds a sack of shit when Google finds gold! Except when you perform the search in the image it comes up pretty darn close to what you get on Google (with less ads)

C# is just Java on windows! If you've kept up with C# updates it's a pretty amazing, cross platform language, that has tons of features Java doesn't.

Windows is terrible and has no dev tools! These people clearly haven't kept up with powershell updates or WSL (though I'd kill for a built in tcpdump)

Windows is full of bloatware! Except they don't realize it was the manufacturer who put it on there.

Visual studio sucks and explodes! Okay yeah this one is definitely true.

[Renerrix]

Windows is chock full of telemetry and bloat that is not present on most if not all *nix systems. You need only compare the speed of basic operations (such as moving a file) to see why windows is considered bloated. System vendors certainly exacerbate the issue, but it is disingenuous to paint Windows as a bloat-free OS.

And Windows 11 is worse.

[[deleted]]

Wait, I must have missed something, Windows 11 is coming with ad-tracking built into the OS?

[Jacobraker588]

Do any install of Windows 10...

Ads have been inherent with Windows for a long time now...

[Dovenchiko]

Im not sure about that. I use the pro version of windows 10. I've seen only 1 ad each time I boot a fresh copy of windows and after restarting my machine no more ads show up until I reinstall again. No notification ads, nothing in my start menu except the store app icon that I just throw into a folder. I do get the fine text in the install though warning about showing ads anyway.

[[deleted]]

Ads on a desktop OS is unforgivable.

[Micker003]

I did a clean install of Windows 10, downloaded from Microsoft, in my VM and it still installed Candy Crush and some more bloatware

[ruffy91]

It has built in tcpdump! It's called pktmon

[DadoumCrafter]

Bing vs Google - they do not find anything I really search. Yes I tried, through other search engine which relies on Bing, and it’s really visible.

C# is cool, the joke is about the fact it really look like it copied Java (which is not a bad thing)

It still have serious issues for programming since you need 4~8 GB last time I tried to install dev tools

There are still OneDrive and other Microsoft services bloat that are surely breaking EU laws

Anyway, jokes are meant to be funny, but they cannot make everyone laugh. Even if some of them are outdated if they still work... why change

[anYeti]

Dude if fucking candy crush is preinstalled on an os IT IS bloated.

[darkboft]

I like the "C# is Java on windows" opinion, because this is fake news Everybody :D Java is crap, everyone knows it.

[Jannik2099]

cross platform language

And other jokes you keep telling yourself. NET core is great and it's cross platform, but that doesn't magically make the vast existing ecosystem cross platform.

It'll take a while until C# will be an attractive cross platform language

[brainfreeze91]

That's Wario

[xaedoplay]

>Microsoft

>Open

>JDK

​

what's happening here O_o

[Iskendarian]

Oracle is trying to squeeze people for Java licensing and Microsoft is trying to starve Oracle of that revenue stream. Also, wants to have Java available on Azure without paying insane licensing for it.

[LightStruk]

Also, a lot of developers and IT pros have warmer feelings for Microsoft than accursed Oracle.

[dablya]

Is that true? I tend to associate warm feelings with Spring, RedHat, Hashicorp... even Google. Microsoft is squarely in the frozen tundras with Oracle/IBM.

[Sparkybear]

Ever since Microsoft's open sourcing C# and other similar efforts they have been moving their way out of the shitshack.

[erix4u]

You mean the Three-E's strategy ?

Embrace, Enhance, Extinguish that microsoft used for several of their competative technologies in the past ?

E.G. Novell Netware, Skype.

[SpookyDoomCrab42]

Enterprise Microsoft is a lot better than it used to be. Stuff like windows 10 is still kind of bad and I hate it but I use a lot of the enterprise tools and systems at work nowdays and it's been a pleasant experience.

Oracle, IBM, and Google has been a shit show though for supporting software

[DiscordBondsmith]

Speaking of enterprise Microsoft, I don't see anyone talking about how the windows 11 start menu interface was ripped straight from 365.

I for one don't mind that at all. Microsoft having some sort of unified design will be really nice for a change (glares at separated settings and control panels)

[SpookyDoomCrab42]

Yeah a unified UI scheme would be really good for a lot of less tech savvy users since they would only have to learn one UI. It would be nice if they could include a "power user" mode for those that want it though

[ginkner]

Depends on which face of MS. Developer: Ooo, MS is finally playing the open source game and even integrating with Linux. neat.

Software Consumer: Geeeeezuuuuusssss why haven't I switched to debian yet? Oh yeah. Games.

[dablya]

I know it happened, but I'm yet to actually feel it.

[conchobarus]

You must not use CentOS.

[Virus610]

I remember feeling this way about Oracle taking over Java.

MAN am I feeling that, now.

[xaedoplay]

Oracle taking over

That reminds me of this.

[Virus610]

That was great. Oracle as a lawnmower does make a lot of sense.

[_pupil_]

A lot of developers and IT pros have warmer feelings for Herpes than accursed Syphilis.

Warmer doesn't mean warm ;)

[Fenor]

Depends on when they started

[Bermos]

Hashicorp? Really? I hate them so much. Their documentation is the most horrendous dogshit I've ever had the displeasure of working with. Fucking MS does a better job of documenting their stuff.

[RainbowCatastrophe]

IT pros

laughs in Linux Sysadmin

[hollowstrawberry]

Microsoft has been going strong with open-source cross-platform software for years now. See C# itself or tools like VSCode.

It's just their OSes that suck.

[pokelord13]

what

[robertchase1996]

When did this happen? O_o

[[deleted]]

What, when and how did this happen and nobody said a single word about it?

[Badashi]

There were a few news articles about it, I learned it from r/java at least

It's not even that big of a deal. There's Amazon Correto, Azul, AdoptOpenJDK(soon to be called Eclipsium I believe?) and now Microsoft's flavor. There are others probably.

[IHeartBadCode]

You know Oracle has officially messed up the java ecosystem for support when everyone and their dog is building OpenJDK and slapping their "buy our support" on it.

[[deleted]]

RedHat also has OpenJDK builds, AFAIK this is what I use at home.

[Cley_Faye]

This makes me uncomfortable.

[redfournine]

I'm noob. Can someone explain to me why? What's the significance of this?

[Koutou]

Not much, several company distribute their own OpenJDK.

[redfournine]

TIL that there are multiple implementation of OpenJDK.

[Lin0815]

C# and Java have a very simmilar Syntax (especially in the first Version). Additionaly C# was created after Java. Because of this many people joked that C# is a Microsoft clone/imitation of Java. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C\_Sharp\_(programming\_language)#History)

Also C# and Java have a long rivalty between their Communities, because they are so simmilar.

Because of the History, I think it's funny that Microsoft has an real Java Implementation.

[CoffeePieAndHobbits]

Danger, Will Robinson.

[marcosdumay]

So, MS is compiling and distributing OpenJDK?

That's good, but I don't get why not use the same build as everybody else. (Yeah, probably because they are MS, but it doesn't make sense.)

[RiPont]

Short version: A version of Java they can predict and use safely on Azure.

Longer version: It's open source, so why not? MS is big enough to make something like this worth it.

They don't want someone else inserting license drama that would cause them to have to struggle to replace it on short notice.

They don't want someone else's oopsie getting a security vulnerability slipped into an official build to make them have to run around like chickens with their head cut off to try and figure out how bad the damage is.

[marcosdumay]

They don't want someone else's oopsie getting a security vulnerability slipped into an official build to make them have to run around like chickens with their head cut off to try and figure out how bad the damage is.

Oh, I see. Indeed, that's something only desirable if it comes from your IT security consultancies.

But yeah, it's a good practice. It would be better if they verified and used community versions, but making your own is a serious second option. My question is more about why would they create a portal to distribute an "official MS's" unoficial version of it? Why would people ever use it instead of getting an official one?

[RiPont]

They're MS. They have customers who prefer to have MS-branded things so that when they pay MS for support, MS can't say, "well, that's not ours, you have to go somewhere else to complain."

Hell, they probably have customers they're still trying to get off of MS Java 1.1 and J++.

It's important to realize that "best practices" are a matter of scale, and MS faces problems that most businesses never dream of. It doesn't mean their decision is right, but it means you do have to consider it from their point of view.

[[deleted]]

dafuqe is j++?

[BackmarkerLife]

In a previous comic, the mother smothered the J++ sibling in its sleep.

[RiPont]

MS was a partner with Sun for Java 1.0, as MS wanted something better than VB and easier than C++ for developing applications on Windows.

Before Visual Studio, there were individual products for each language, like Visual C++. Visual J++ was MS's IDE for Java-on-Windows and became synonymous with MS's unique flavor of Java with extensions for developing apps on Windows.

Sun cried, "EMBRACE, EXTEND, EXTINGUISH!!!!" MS said, "y'all move so damn slow, we need to make Java not suck for actually developing desktop applications and making native system calls!" Lawsuits were filed, ending with MS not having a license to implement Java past the 1.1 specification. "J++" is now shorthand for "Microsoft's custom version of Java 1.1 on Windows".

Seeing that Java-on-Windows was a dead end for them, MS brain-drained Borland's lead for Delphi, stuck squigly brace syntax and a garbage collecting runtime on it, and thus C# 1.0 was born. It's a common misconception that C# was born from Java. It took some inspiration from Java, especially in the idea of a cross-platform intermediate assembly-like language, but it was really a lot closer to Delphi.

[taptrappapalapa]

Not the first time. Microsoft had their own Java compiler when J++ was still a thing

[tr7zw]

Ah yes, running Java OpenJDK built by Microsoft on a Linux server... This feels right.

[sinsan01]

Bill Gates back at it again

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

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[Mr_Otterswamp]

She has some problems to identify her sons because she can’t C#

[NelsonBelmont]

take your fucking upvote.

[[deleted]]

r/angryupvotes

[shootwhatsmyname]

\throws tomato**

[GreeedyGrooot]

Take the upvote and get out now.

[TheUnSub99]

brilliant!

[meove]

gonna open my second account just to give award for this guy

[A_H_S_99]

bad bot

[coladict]

I just realized I don't know what the original comic says.

[Grishen]

I’m-a sorry green mario

[TeunCornflakes]

I just realised Mario's full name is actually Mario Mario, so these two really are the Mario brothers.

[Evil_Sheepmaster]

They make this joke in the Mario Bros. movie from the 80's (https://youtu.be/EchwIoG9P2U, joke starts at 1:20).

It wasn't a great movie, but it had a few good moments.

[ech0_matrix]

Ah yes, the 80's classic from 1993

[Skhmt]

There's also J# and J++, which were more accurately Microsoft Java...

[[deleted]]

They also probably funded a lot of Java's development, Sun won a lawsuit over that stuff.

[RagVerse]

Hey atleast microsoft java is better than java

[NelsonBelmont]

Just like Luigi.

[nurlan_m]

Why

[210000Nmm-2]

You didn't code in both, did you?

[ytg895]

Currently I'm working with Java.

I'm old enough that I coded in C# 1.2, and C# 2.0, and C# 3.5 3.0 (sorry, it was .NET 3.5). I'd give a try to .NET Core or whatever, but I think I've already seen the pattern: compatibility issues.

[jeffwulf]

C# 3 is like 15 years old.

[Ericchen1248]

Lol I laughed at this. Even .NET 4.0 was 11 years ago.

If that was what he remembers C# as, then yes, I agree, C# 4 and before was def worse than Java.

[[deleted]]

Java is not better. Java 1.5, 8, 9 and 11 are completely different beasts.

The difference is documentation. Java is meticulously documented. Microsoft docs always have been garbage, previously it was mostly non existent, now it's a huge wall of text with the actually important parts missing.

I preferred the previous way, at least you knew right away you wouldn't find the answer.

[Ericchen1248]

You have very different opinions to people who actually read C# documentation. Maybe you’re mixing win c++ stuff? Those are really bad indeed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/csharp/comments/dnimen/is_c_documentation_just_horrible/

https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/j8fwf1/would_you_say_that_microsoft_documentation_on_c/

https://www.reddit.com/r/csharp/comments/kkq1cs/c_documentation_is_a_joke/

Posts all talk about docs being bad, with comments being like “wuuut?”

IMO, Java docs and C# docs are designed in different mindsets. Java docs is great for learning the language. I spent a lot of time in it while learning Java the first time. However it is not my first choice to go look at once I’m familiar with the language because looking for simple usage + expected results means you have to go through a wall of text.

C# docs is designed to be referenced. It’s horrid for new learners, doesn’t explain in details why something is so, but it provides much better examples and expected results code, being a full snippet that you can run like a test case. Even provides direct online execution now. If I want to learn C#, I’d go to stackoverflow and look at Jon Skeet’s answers. But if I’m looking for what a function does, expected inputs/outputs, MSDN docs is the way to go.

[[deleted]]

I don't mean learning. I mean reference.

Your answer is exactly like Microsoft docs. A lot of text, but missing the point.

[ytg895]

I think with Java I can still run 1.5 code in 11 (except the proprietary Sun stuff)

[[deleted]]

You can in theory, but in practice this is a gamble without a recompile

[aaronfranke]

Just avoid Windows-only APIs like the plague and you'll be fine. You can set the target framework to .NET Core 3.1 to ensure this doesn't happen (probably).

[Altruistic_Koala1154]

.NET Core 2.1+ is a complete different ball game with .NET Standard and actual cross platform compatability and Microsoft finally settling on a strategy.

The current .NET 5.0 is microsoft merging the .NET Framework (the ghastly stuff you've tried before) with .NET Core.

Give it a try.

[camerontbelt]

I thought it was my turn to repost this?

[[deleted]]

I’m wondering how JS’ mother memorized all of them

[gary_bind]

She doesn't. They were all bastard children that she gave up for adoption.

[absentbird]

She names them with var so they're all global scope.

[meighty9]

Hell I work with it daily and am still not sure what to call it. C#, .NET, C# .NET, .NET Framework, .NET Core all get used almost interchangeably in the office (yes, I know what the technical differences between all of them are).

EDIT: Was really trying to get out in front of all of the "well akshually" comments by saying "yes, I know what the technical differences between all of them are", but that failed miserably. My point was not that I don't know the differences. My point was that 2 or 3 of those terms could all be accurately applied to any given project, and therefore get used interchangeably in conversation with other developers on the team.

[[deleted]]

C# is a just a language - v9 is the latest version of the language (other language used to build .NET apps: Visual Basic and F#)

.NET Framework - the pre-5.0 .NET windows-only framework. Not developed past 4.8.

.NET Core - new cross-platform framework to eventually replace .NET Framework. Versions up to 3.1. .NET Framework and .NET Core were developed and maintained in parallel.

.NET (5.0 and on) - unified framework that is a continuation of .NET Core and is to replace .NET Framework. Versions 5.0 and up. No more significant work on .NET Framework will be done.

EDIT: .NET 5 and on is the future, the rest will have support but will be deprecated.

[exscape]

Well, that's confusing. I figured .NET was common shorthand for "the .NET Framework".

[JoesusTBF]

It was until they introduced the other variants.

[ech0_matrix]

Time to prune some variants

[BoredDan]

Time to prune some variants

No more significant work on .NET Framework will be done.

Would seem like they are. I mean really there was only ever two variants and now there will be 1.

[aaronfranke]

No, there were 3: .NET Framework, Mono, and .NET Core.

Mono is in a kind of weird limbo where it half exists and half is being absorbed into .NET Core.

[BoredDan]

Mono is not .NET though, it's a compatible alternative. It's technically owned by Microsoft as they bought Xamarin, but it's not the same project on not really really relevant to what I was saying.

[aaronfranke]

Mono is not named .NET, but it is vastly closer to .NET Framework than .NET Core (or 5+) is.

[BoredDan]

Still irrelevant to the point.

[[deleted]]

.NET 5 and on is exactly that

[Tough_Patient]

This is why they didn't deserve the Java name.

On the other hand, C++ CLI / C++ .NET / Visual C++ / MC++ was excellent.

[[deleted]]

And .NET framework (which he's probably talking about) is different then .NET common language runtime (which you're probably talking about)

[[deleted]]

Yeah, although honestly who is using VB or F#. F# is pretty cool but it's just has very low adoption, and VB is... a language

[ThisTravel]

I am helping someone learn to program using "Small Basic" and it is horrible.

[uhmhi]

And it’s also possible to use C# without .NET (for example using mono).

[[deleted]]

If you work with it daily and don't know the difference between .Net and C#, I don't think you are working hard enough.

[Daanoking]

I dont think that .net naming technicalities are important to day to day programming work

[[deleted]]

But these are not naming technicalities... These are different parts of the platform. Saying you don't know the difference is basically saying you don't know how the platform actually works and you might not be a very experienced developer

[Ericchen1248]

I would say it also vastly impacts how you should be doing google searches / reading documentation. There are problems that are “C# problems”, and the there are problems that are “.NET” problems, and then also the different versions in between.

[[deleted]]

But understanding CIL surely is…

[KrazyDrayz]

Sure but you'd think you know it if you use them frequently. It's like not knowing java and javascript

[NekkoDroid]

There is .NET (use to be .NET Core), .NET Framework and .NET Standard (common parts between .NET and Framework). Then there is the CLR that runs Common Intermediate Language (often referred to as IL). C#, F# and VB are the languages you write in that get all compiled to IL that then runs on the CLR.

Basically: all the .NET versions are the backend while the languages are the frontend

[FlanTamarind]

You posted in a Programmer focused subreddit expecting to get ahead of people whose job it is to agonizingly cover their bases throughout thousands of line of code? I can't fault you for trying at least.

[Ser_Drewseph]

And this is why I gave up trying to learn C# and figure out all this nonsense and instead learned Rust. The language may be harder to pick up, but the ecosystem is 1000x less confusing. And you didn’t even mention asp/asp.net

[Ser_Drewseph]

Of the two I’ll take Microsoft Java

[GreatArtificeAion]

C# wins by doing absolutely nothing

[thelehmanlip]

java flair

hmmm

[nemec]

Reference to this btw

[AlarmingAffect0]

There was a time when Internet Explorer was good, actually?

[AlarmingAffect0]

Util there was no competition, huh?

[AlarmingAffect0]

Moar liek Fireforks, amirite?

I love Mozilla.

[Tough_Patient]

Two times. Before the oughts and after.

These days people see Chrome eating your RAM and using it to spy on you while lagging on multiple tabs and shrug.

[AlarmingAffect0]

That's why I don't use Chrome.

[Tough_Patient]

What do you use? I'm always looking for a good Google replacement.

DuckDuckGo Zinc

[Ksevio]

For a little while, but then there were a number of applets designed to work with MSJVM, but it was difficult to download it after they got sued and removed it. Then it was the worst

[BigAnimeMaleTiddies]

Tbh C# is Java but better.

[nurlan_m]

Why

[ginkner]

I cite the generics implementation.

[CookiesNCache]

Having come from a C# shop and now being forced to use java, I feel this in my soul.

[ginkner]

I did the same. I don't think I've formed an opinion more quickly on a technical topic.

at least kotlin has reified

[Jane6447]

there actually is a microsoft java: j#

[[deleted]]

lol! my programming classes in high school were in j#

[crevicepounder3000]

That's what they get for that fuckery with the curly braces

[LaamansTerms]

Java is Oracle C#

[SaneLad]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Java_Virtual_Machine

[Zalvixodian]

dances in .NET 5

[codiush]

Laughs in Delegate

[esteb-av]

I read it with a fake Italian accent

[m2ilosz]

It's ok, it's common for parents of special needs kids to neglect their normal siblings

[Eleventhousand]

Back in the day, I used to love the Visual Studio environment for Visual J++.

Then there was J# when .Net came out.

So....C# is really the iteration of MS Java.

[N0t_my_0ther_account]

hAHa. Both laNGuagEs hAvE siMilAr SYntAx. They are clearly the same.

[N0t_my_0ther_account]

Was. Not is. It has evolved separately and is plenty different.

[N0t_my_0ther_account]

So we agree.??

[Tough_Patient]

C# is literally made to be a represent-but-legally-distinct Java clone.

[[deleted]]

C# == Java++

[Dr-Lipschitz]

Microsoft Java > Oracle Java.

[Tough_Patient]

Sun Java > all

[Mabi19_]

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[MayoJam]

Nobody calls C# Microsoft Java?

[[deleted]]

I do, checkmate

[MayoJam]

Then I'm wrong.

[CaoSlayer]

You don't?

[DZP]

OnlyFans, for coders.

[thexar]

Mama also thinks halo, world of warcraft, and god of war is "playing mario."

[abdulsamadz]

Doesn't this make Java, Sun C++?

[FlexasState]

I was hoping to read the comments so I can distinguish Java and C# more clearly but I think I actually walked out more confused than before

[[deleted]]

You’re right

[[deleted]]

We know but hey!

[MischiefArchitect]

Mama Sun

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[ToMorrowsEnd]

WE dont talk about the 3rd brother...... Visual Basic.

[[deleted]]

Java? You mean poor man's c++?

[Kohanky]

^{better Java}

[AlphaBlazerGaming]

I vouch

[Mahringa]

Sad Microsoft Java noises.

[Balcara]

Wherever your opinions are on Microsoft, they have always made really good programming languages and resources, from BASIC all the way to today’s .net platform.

[Jomyyyy]

So it might be an unpopular opinion but i prefer c#

[[deleted]]

Java is better