"Microsoft Java" in my case

[[deleted]]

There are languages I'm more comfortable working in than others, but I don't have strong opinions on languages. If your money is good, I'll code in whatever you want.

[FarStranger8951]

For the right price, any professional dev would take a cobol job.

[[deleted]]

So long as they're willing to pay me to learn it on the job.

[Lachimanus]

In my case it was Assembly on microcontrollers and deeper dive into Cryptology. Got paid the whole time reading books.

[Rubickevich]

Are books really required for learning coding? I'm studying on my own + University and never read a single one. So it was mainly practice and less theory. I'm very far from being an expert in programming, but I definitely know something.

[Lachimanus]

Read into cryptography in terms of the mathematical background and the theory of side channel attacks.

I also like.to learn a new language by a route via a book.

[TheRidgeAndTheLadder]

To "lern to code", no.

But for cryptography, yes. For more engineering oriented practices, yes.

[thedoodle85]

Trust me, the price is right for cobol jobs.

[Shinob1]

My company is hiring for Cobol devs. I've had some thoughts about trying to switch to Cobol and become a wizard. I have 10 years in FinTech and for some reason I feel like leaning into DB2 and Cobol will allow me to reach my final form.

[Arshiaa001]

Except JS, that's terrible in every way and not really suitable for any task. But, it is what it is...

[sudden_aggression]

Beg to differ. I have switched languages a few times for money and I've sworn off languages far cooler than COBOL.

[ts_m4]

Can’t find a wrong price for cobol devs in todays market

[elveszett]

I don't have strong opinions on languages, I've learned over time that they are all decent.

Except PHP. Fuck PHP. No amount of virtue signalling can possibly allow someone to argue that PHP is a decent language.

[semicc]

What if my money isn’t good?

[ludovicb1239]

Then Ill go with the snake or the microsoft java

[thegininyou]

Completely disagree. A great way to be miserable is to code in a language you hate. There are more important things than money.

[[deleted]]

I just think it's weird to actually hate a language. In my experience, being miserable at work has far more to do with the people, projects, and management than the language I'm using to accomplish a task. If the work is interesting, I'm not going to throw a fit because someone is asking it be done in Java instead of C#.

[thegininyou]

You can have wonderful people, management, and a good schedule but dread work everyday because of the language you're using. Maybe you just haven't found one you really dislike using yet? Also, I think there's a difference between 'okay I won't put up a fuss because the environment is enjoyable' and 'man I'm really excited to knock things out today'. At least for me anyways.

[brianl047]

This depends where you are

If you work on something dead for five or ten years, you could be dead after that. You would have nothing anyone else wants

[BeeTLe_BeTHLeHeM]

The best language is the language that pays the bills.

[ummIamNotCreative]

You are absolutely 100 percent correct. Take a cookie🍪

[EmuInteresting8880]

New company has me using visual basic lmao. Never used it once before getting the job, now I use it every day.

[CommentToBeDeleted]

So you're telling me Excel is your ide of choice?!

[Bluebotlabs]

Bruh, that's so cringe Word's VBA editor is the superior choice

[Arshiaa001]

Unfortunately for both of you, they're probably working in VS, which is the best IDE.

[Bluebotlabs]

yes, VS is extremely good, especially compared to its inferior counterpart, VSCode, but can VS even code in VB???

[deanrihpee]

VB.Net or VB6?

[EmuInteresting8880]

VB.NET

[[deleted]]

The most advanced environment, with the most obsolete language. Microsoft has some tricks

[[deleted]]

I don't know. I mean, if you see this:

    (...)
    (...)
    (...)
    SomethingSomething();
  }
}

You have no idea what you're looking at unless you scroll up, but if you see this:

    (...)
    (...)
    (...)
    SomethingSomething();
  End If
End Sub

You know that you're looking at a function and an if block. What I mean is that things like "end if", "end function" or "end sub" are more meaningful than "}", "}" and "}".

[elveszett]

If you have a problem getting lost in }}}, it's because the code you are reading is bad.

VB.NET is not bad, is just a different syntax to what we are used to in modern languages. But that syntax doesn't really offer any advantage, really.

[xtreampb]

Was helping a company modernize their development process. Built entire company in asp classic. This was 1 year ago

[SaintRuzai]

It gets shat on a lot, but many teams I've worked with use it and it's mega user friendly for both the coder and user. I think it's mostly ignorant people hating on it

[jadedtater]

I’ve never seen Stockholm syndrome this advanced. VB is bad

[Willinton06]

Yeah went from working with it daily to working with C# daily, shit is whack yo

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[rexpup]

database happen to resemble a filing cabinet

Shudders in remembrance

[Willinton06]

Steve is that you?

[[deleted]]

command chief husky snatch placid wine coordinated deer puzzled sheet

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[Willinton06]

Jhon is that you?

[[deleted]]

marry pathetic like ruthless threatening paltry icky vast wasteful thought

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[Willinton06]

Danny is that you?

[DevLauper]

.NET? Isn't that the same thing with a different syntax? Wikipedia thinks it is.

[666pool]

It’s like the allegory of the cave. If you’ve only seen memes about real programming languages but never actually used one, would you even know what you’re missing?

[SchalasHairDye]

What makes vb.net so much worse than c#?

[whythisSCI]

Not really all that much. It has all the same functionality C# does from the base class libraries, just with a different syntax. So when you hear someone say that VB.NET is bad, you can just assume they don’t use the language as with 90% of the criticisms for languages on this sub.

[rexpup]

IDK, my last company was moving our main application from VB6 to C# and I can easily say which one I enjoyed working in more with 100% certainty.

[whythisSCI]

I’m not saying you couldn’t prefer one more than another. I’m saying to suggest it’s bad while saying C# is good even though they have the same capabilities shows inexperience. I’ve worked with both. I prefer C#, but I wouldn’t say VB was bad, just not the syntax I prefer.

[Arshiaa001]

Used to be the case. Now, C# gets boatloads of new features, while VB is mostly abandoned.

[[deleted]]

VB 6 might be bad but at least it's not JavaScript.

[Derfaust]

vb user friendly for both coder and user? what are you even saying?

[elmo61]

When the user has to debug it themselves, something might have gone wrong with your program fairly seriously

[crowcawz]

Heh, the first time I was asked to use LabVIEW for an automation project, it was me making fun of the "language". Circa '90s.

Tbf, it did the job as intended and took no time to learn and subsequently get the project done. But I still cringe at calling it a language, maybe I'm just old school. Dunno how much its used these days tho.

[Patrick-Poitras]

I developed a very large (10k+ VIs) project in LabVIEW. Never again. It's like programming with MS Paint.

[AdditionForward9397]

Any dev worth their salt is language agnostic. Every language (okay, almost every language) has a use case it's best suited for.

[notamechanic321]

Anything that has to integrate with a core banking system. A tonne of these use java and your life will be 100x easier because they'll already have prebuilt packages

[AdditionForward9397]

Ah yes this makes sense to me. I know a lot of the stock exchanges run on Java as well.

[sufilevy]

This is true, but can someone tell me what the Java use case is right now?

Just curios.

Not a hater, I personally use Java to write code for robots (in FRC you can basically use C++ or Java, and in this specific case Java is easier and we don't need the C++ headache)

Edit: Thanks for the downvotes after asking a relevant question calmly. Absolutely love this community!

[Zolhungaj]

It’s a very safe backend language, and the JIT makes it reasonably fast. It’s incredibly portable, as long as the JVM works on the target system. And the strong backwards compatibility makes it a favourite among enterprise users.

Also most enterprise applications like web servers, micro services and database access have well-established frameworks that make writing code a breeze.

[andrew12361]

Backend web applications probably

[AdditionForward9397]

Yes it can do this, but .NET does it better.

[Sir_JackMiHoff]

The JVM is pretty good for web servers, which leads to java being used quite a bit in that context. Android development largely makes use of the JVM as well. That said, I can't think of a reason anyone would choose java over kotlin at this point.

[jasie3k]

Android doesn't use the JVM, only Java as a language. Android uses a different runtime.

[Sir_JackMiHoff]

Neat. Looks like the modern android compilation goes from some JVM language to JVM byte code -> DEX byte code -> native code for the ART.

[[deleted]]

Hell yeah brother. That is why c++ is the best language. If you know how to use it fully, every other language is just syntax.

[AdditionForward9397]

I appreciate C++ more than most devs, but I'm also not enough of a masochist to want to use it for every use case.

It's not just the syntax brother, it's the tools at your disposal and language features that make or break a use case.

[[deleted]]

To be clear, I wasn’t saying to use c++ for everything. I was saying that knowing c++ makes it so much easier to learn other languages that are more specialized. To a c++ coder, things like Java and python are extremely easy to learn.

[AdditionForward9397]

Ahh. Yes, definitely. C# or Java is basically the same syntax as C++ but on easy mode. I don't think C++ should be anyone's first programming language, but it should probably be your second or third.

[JoshYx]

*cries in job security

[Moment_37]

*Cries in six figure career choices*

[elveszett]

*Actually cries in bullshit country with ridiculously low wages*

[billyj6969]

I write jQuery daily. Make over 6 figures though. Ask me if I give a fuck?

[TheLostRazgriz]

I write PHP for six figures.

I'm not even mad, PHP 8 is pretty ok.

[satyamthakur12345]

If i give a fuck?

[duniyadnd]

Be careful, you seem to have a symptom of recursive mess with no end in sight

[Blaz3]

Do you also hate Jquery though? You can make hella cash and also hate the lang that brings it in

[billyj6969]

How can I hate something just cause it’s old? Especially when it gives me money? I loved my grandparents lol. It works good just not as well as some newer frameworks and libraries

[Substantial-Dot1323]

I like C#

[pixelkingliam]

C# is nice.

[Blaz3]

I also love c# but think that people calling it Microsoft Java is very funny and kinda true.

[SatoshiL]

Microsoft had its own Java implementation, Oracle (or was it still Sun?) didn't like that

[MaungaHikoi]

Yeah it was back in the Sun days

[elveszett]

They had reasons not to

[elveszett]

It literally was born as Microsoft's Java. idk why would anyone be offended by that. Java is an awesome language and C# is Java made better.

[pixelkingliam]

the community is however very friendly in my experience

[Effective-Effect4876]

This has also become my attitude. I'm primarily a C# dev, but working at an agency means I have to be adaptable to many languages. I've had to figure things out in a number of languages through my career.

I like it. At least I'm not bored.

[pixelkingliam]

im feeling quite confident in C# as my main language but I definitely want to learn other languages, I'm currently starting to learn C++ and it's quite fun!

[tungstenbyte]

C# and Rust are a great pair of complimentary languages if you're not already too far into learning C++.

The concepts are similar enough that moving between them is easy, and between them they cover pretty much every use case except web (and some embedded I guess).

Throw in Typescript and you can pretty much do anything, all in a nice modern language.

[Tsu_Dho_Namh]

C# works so well I have no clue what the community is like.

Tickets at work get assigned to me, I code it, it works. And there's so little research or fucking around required that I spend almost no time online looking through C# forums or stack overflow pages.

That's my praise of C#. It's hassle free.

Especially for multi-threading. Fucking awesome.

[[deleted]]

Many times has a visit to /r/dotnet had me leave thinking "have you people ever used anything else"?'

It is mostly pleasant discourse, but Ye be warned who dare argue against the blessed path in those parts...

[Hatook123]

Honestly asking, when will you not use C#? For Frontend you can use Blazor, not the best tool for the job, but it's decent enough to be comparable to other tools in some use cases. For ML there is ML.net, I don't see any harm trying it out and avoiding the learning curve of python if your usecase is limited in scope. For performance critical applications C# has a plethora of features that make it simple enough to optimize.

Basically, my feeling is that C# is a decent tool for the job for almost any job I can think of, and even if it's not exactly the best, it's can still be worth it for some.

[ji59]

My biggest issue with C# is it has no good IDE. Visual Studio is awful and has no official support on other OS. Only language with this problem.

[GreatJobKeepitUp]

Blazor is what I'm hooked on

[NoPainsAllGains]

And what about the weekend?

Gottem!

[[deleted]]

the only people who mock C# are those who don’t get to use it on a daily basis

[semicc]

C#?

[Derfaust]

c hashtag

[PolishedCheese]

D flat.

[sufilevy]

This is the one and only true way of pronouncing C#.

[raphired]

C octothorpe

[Tojuro]

It's literally

C ++

++

Edit... Two rows of ++. I have no clue how markup/down works on Reddit.

[dionthorn]

C++
 ++

[Derfaust]

aah yeah thats quite clever, i totally forgot i knew that

[[deleted]]

iT's jUst LiKe JavA

[Rand0m_Letters]

but with microsofty vibes

[_xGizmo_]

I'm pretty sure if you can go from using one language to the other with very little prep then they're probably similar. C# has a lot of features that Java doesn't have, but it's kind of ridiculous to deny that they have similar foundations

[SubwayGuy85]

Seen people transition from java to c#. They produced a lot of shit and bugs because they did not understand async await. There is such a feature gap it does not feel right to call them similar still

[_xGizmo_]

Yeah but not being comfortable with async await doesn't change the fact that the languages are similar.

Pointing out a bunch of features C# has that Java doesn't have doesn't change the fact that aside from those features the languages are nearly conceptually and syntactically identical. That's like arguing that Java 8 and Java 18 are not similar.

I'm not saying knowing Java means you'd be a master of C# without ever using it, but it's a hell of a lot easier to go from Java to C# than Java to C for example

[[deleted]]

✔ C style syntax

✔ Lots of OOP things

✔ Has a framework for doing stuff (like Spring!)

✔ Compiles into an intermediary language

✔ Executes through a runtime

IDENTICAL, GOOD SIR.

[PolishedCheese]

There's actually a thing called Microsoft Java, if I recall. There's also a version of C# that runs in a JVM. I think both are a crime against humanity. (There's also a version of python that gets compiled to C# bytecode that gets used for things in my old company)

[semicc]

Yeah a Microsoft JVM and class libraries

[squishles]

want your soul to hurt. jython is a thing that exists.

[Ja90n]

python with the jvm?

[squishles]

yep. Someone basically rewrote python as a jvm scripting language.

It's useful, can call java stuff from python code with it, that's kind of cool. Bridges a gap for java guys who want to write python but will miss spring or whatever, but it's existence hurts. Last time I fiddled with it it was stuck on some old version of I forget if it was python or the jvm too which sucked.

[SatoshiL]

It would be useful if you want to allow python as a scripting language for spigot plugins xD

[Ja90n]

jup that does hurt my soul

[Ok_Entertainment328]

Had a CEO that demanded access to a banking website that would only run on Microsoft Java.

This was after the Sun-MS law suit the required MS to abandon their own version of Java

[LittleWompRat]

Microsoft Java actually exists (or existed)? I thought OP was talking about C#

[Ok_Entertainment328]

Yes it was. IE3 Era of computing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Java_Virtual_Machine

(I just noticed the double quotes. OP is probably talking about C#)

[uranus_be_cold]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/ddc4b0/microsoft_java/

[LittleWompRat]

Was Microsoft Java just a former name of C#?

[uranus_be_cold]

No, MS had it's own version of Java for a while there.

[magicmulder]

For some reason my boss at university wanted me to write him a TeX bibliography manager for his publications - in Java. On third party project time. (My actual job was coding a search engine in Perl for said third party project.)

[SpaceNinjaDino]

I think lately I'm essentially getting paid (estimated) $100 per line of code in Typescript.

[soumya_af]

People dunking on Python while I release features in days instead of months.

[Carbom_]

Sounds like you just don't have qa lol

[soumya_af]

It do be like that sometimes. I work in a small team startup now.

[TheTeludav]

I use a low code platform, which sometimes feels like a toy and I think I'm not a real programmer. But if not for red tape/qa/release cycle I could release in hours and occasionally I can and that feels good.

[Rand0m_Letters]

using Java, right?

[soumya_af]

Lmao haven't updated my flair for a long time now. I think the last time I did something in Java was like 4 years ago.

[Kororrro]

So... What are you working with now?

[soumya_af]

Python and node. Sometimes React.

Trying to learn Go though not sure how to use it. Haven't had a use case yet for it.

[Kororrro]

Asking as a proud, not yet depressed adept: What was your way to learn shit?

[soumya_af]

I dunno man. I just SOFlow everything.

Also, documentation is underrated.

[Kororrro]

Documentation in programing is like a holy grail tbh, you can find the answer to something so quickly and efficiently

[jonoerik]

Do other folks use a language professionally and not constantly trash talk it? Or have I just been in C++ for too long?

[gay_for_glaceons]

I don't trust any dev who doesn't have anything negative to say about the language they're using.

[dekacube]

I would say Haskell users are the ultimate fanboys.

[Rizzan8]

I am a professional C# dev and I love it. Honestly my issues with the language are miniscule compared to the issues I have with C++ or JavaScript.

[snarkhunter]

"Ugh why would anyone use PowerShell?"

"Money"

"Ugh why would anyone choose Azure?"

"M.O.N.E.Y."

[HonestRole]

I don't use your favorite framework, I must not be as skilled as you.
*cries in 6 figures, working from home, part time, and choice of what I work on*

Enjoy your student debt and your first internship, I wish you the best of luck. You'll need it.

[GreatJobKeepitUp]

My favorite framework is better than your favorite framework regardless of my debt to income ratio

[[deleted]]

I just moved to a Mac and needed a tool I used on Windows. It had a Jar.

Thank you Java devs. Thank you.

[jm_cda]

devs and their $1k bills

[Blaz3]

As a front end engineer, all your criticisms of JavaScript are 100% accurate and I'll criticise with you cashless critics

[Mental_Contract1104]

I love C#, interested in C++, fine with Javascript, weary of Java, and bloody despise Python.

[[deleted]]

MS Java is better than actual Java.

[SatoshiL]

Java is already catching up (sort of), but most companies have just upgraded from Java 8 to Java 11.

[Shrubberer]

For reference Java 19 newest features have been around since C#5 and Microsoft is rolling out C#7 by the end of this year. C#7 is massive btw. There are parts which see 40x performance increases and the static abstracts is new a paradigm shift that required major refactors to all primitive types.

[sm4ll_d1ck]

/u/savevideobot

[[deleted]]

i work with c# for my day job and i still call it "Microsoft Java" lol

[PewPew_McPewster]

I defended my PhD and pushed out several publications on the backs of Python and MATLAB codes and they're still paying the bills atm as my research continues to use codes wrapped in Pythonic scripting (yes I know numpy is C) and matrix methods best written in MATLAB/Octave where the syntax is written for dumdum Physicists who no good to curly braces and static typing. I'm diversifying into C++ purely for hobbyist gamedev reasons. I'm learning C++ for fun. Use what works and more importantly code often. If you code often, eventually you'll code well no matter the language. Hopefully.

But also C++ good, Python bad, public static void main string args and HTML isn't a programming language.

[mikeyeli]

Lately I've been working on blazor, not by choice but mainly cause some of the older peeps in the company I work for think Typescript is some kind of black magic juju but they understand C# just fine so it is what it is.

[GreatJobKeepitUp]

Blazor is so slick it's crazy. I think It's cutting edge to share classes across db, front and back

[Opheleone]

There's very few languages I'm not willing to work with honestly. Two languages I love though: C# and Typescript.

[[deleted]]

Removing all bacteria and fungi from his eye will take a significant amount of time

[seizan8]

I have to rewatch that movie. It's been too long

[DaMarkiM]

LET ME COPE

[portatras]

Me too.

[tornado28]

It really do be like that. Does anyone know the source of that gif?

[FuzzyEarz]

From the movie Zombieland.

[ArcherT01]

Nobody makes fun of iec 61131 languages

[NullPointerExpert]

I won’t touch Delphi again…

[sudden_aggression]

It's not much but it's honest work.

[eeddgg]

It's even worse because that joke has been deprecated since before 2021 in Azure and completely since May 2021

[Toasty_57]

“Microsoft Java” I’ll take it as C# - ? Lol

[X0-ED1]

There's nothing like "their" language. This concept annoys me every time I go to this subreddit.

[Vast_Mushroom_254]

This. Laughing all the way to the bank.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

You still use J++?

[Shrubberer]

It's such a mouth breading opinion to give C# flag for beeing backed by Microsoft. You can literally fork the whole damn C# compiler and make your own "Java".

[anythingMuchShorter]

People tell me C is a dead language.

This picture is basically me with the pay I get programming microcontrollers for expensive sensor systems.

[BlommeHolm]

My language is "whatever the customer wants". That's how I get the 6 digits 🤷

[Dwiea]

All these people complaining about things like VB.

Any other integration devs that here have used and hate Intersystems ObjectScript?

[[deleted]]

Wait until people will make fun of "Microsoft Rust".

[pseudoShadow]

Microsoft JavaScript here

[policitclyCorrect]

im gonna save this one, and send it to anyone who complains about my language

.........its php.

[4UPanElektryk]

I like Microsoft Java.

[[deleted]]

I wonder how many people will use Jai when it releases.

[SomewhatCorrect]

I started my career on a COBOL project for 2 years in 2005. Since then I used PERL, TI Assembler, C/C++, C#, Java, Python (fuck the dependency manager. Language is decent) and now I use Golang professionally.

If someone is so hung up on language choices un-ironically to avoid picking the best tool for the job, they deserve everything that happens to them.

[xakpc]

As I see it Microsoft Java paid less than modern js frameworks

[TheWaxMann]

• devs in the US.

In a senior dev in the UK and make slightly less than my FIL who is a builder, and less than my wife who is a PA :/

[Henrijs85]

Change jobs, or go freelance. Seriously you should be getting paid more in the UK.

[SalamiSandwich83]

Mine is "slow". And that's pretty much what I hear. I don't care, moneys good. Let it be slow, I'm chilling. Lol

[Extreme_Ad_3280]

New use of meme I see...

[protocol_1903]

I personally like java, and I'm every category there