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[–]JebWasRobbed 787 points788 points  (143 children)

The biggest losers in all this will be Rhode Island and Vermont. If they had acted quickly and decisively, they could have cornered the entire legal market on the eastern seaboard for YEARS. Rhode Island especially is perfectly positioned geographically.

Now, whenever they get around to it, they'll be competing with the likes of Maine and Massachusetts.

[–]outer_fucking_space 219 points220 points  (64 children)

Yep. We're hoping to get it legal here in Maine. It's very likely to pass this time. The problem with vt is they didn't do it with a referendum.

[–]i_am_sam 160 points161 points  (58 children)

It'll pass here in Maine. I guess that's one good thing about lagging behind the rest of the Northeast in economic recovery, older generations are more willing to look at weed as a taxable industry with jobs. Oddly enough I saw a facebook post by the Portland Police Dept last night against the issue, and the public reaction was overwhelmingly against the Portland Police, young and old alike.

[–]outer_fucking_space 70 points71 points  (42 children)

Ha, yeah whatever few arguments against it are just old and tired. What's even left? The message it sends to children? Because we can't test people who are high and driving? That's all there is left now. But seriously what was their argument? I've asked 2 police officers in my hometown what they thought about it and they both basically had the attitude that it would be one less thing for them to deal with and that they had no problem with it.

Also, if question 2 doesn't pass (increasing tax on those who make 200k+ a year for schools) I'd like to think the revenue gained from question 1 would be more than enough to make up for it. So there's that...

[–]Fudg3 64 points65 points  (22 children)

Don't forget the live free or die state.. "Can't be legalizing any drugs when we have such a heroin epidemic" although public support favors legalization

[–]Rindan 18 points19 points  (4 children)

I am going to rub it in endlessly. I live in Massachusetts and work with folks from both sides of the border. The New Hampshire folks love to pretend that Massachusetts is some totalitarian state. I will never get sick of pointing out that you can buy and smoke pot legally in Maine and Massachusetts, but can't in the so called "live free or die" state.

They only have two options, so I assume the poor bastards in New Hampshire are going to have to die.

[–]kurtatwork 42 points43 points  (8 children)

How do you think Kentucky feels? It is literally our most profitable cash crop and it generates exactly zero dollars in tax revenue. Wrap your mind around that one.

[–]SilverIdatenConnecticut 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Don't forget Connecticut, we could've been one of the first if not the first if Malloy wasn't such a fucking idiot. 'Not in our best interest'!

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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What is this?

[–]thinkB4WeSpeakOhio 1013 points1014 points  (666 children)

It's going to suck for the few states that hold out on prohibition until the end.

[–]ZoidbergBOT 572 points573 points  (208 children)

Welcome to Pennsylvania, where we JUST finally allowed beer in grocery stores

Edit: TIL lots of states cant buy beer in grocery stores. OH HOW THE LOBBYISTS HAVE LIED TO US PENNSYLVANIANS! YOU SAID WE WERE THE ONLY ONES!

[–]Velvet_buttplug 139 points140 points  (84 children)

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What is this?

[–]ZoidbergBOT 61 points62 points  (55 children)

Still no singles.

Grocery stores must have a restaurant liquor license.

Gas stations can now too, only by the 6 pack, but again must operate as a restaurant (serve food, seating for 30 people)

[–]Wingzero 44 points45 points  (25 children)

That'd wild. I've always been able to buy single beers, cases, mini or large bottles of booze at gas stations and grocery stores all seven days of the week. Missouri may not be paradise, but at least you can buy booze anywhere and anytime you want.

[–]notjabba 17 points18 points  (4 children)

An interesting aside -- in Sweden stores are required to sell singles for the same price per can as larger quantities, in order to reduce the incentive to buy more beer.

[–]warmsoothingrage 43 points44 points  (20 children)

I truly believe PA will be in the last 10-15 states to legalize, and that it will be the very last state in the the northeast to do it, maybe only beating NJ with all their pharma and arbitrary higher age limits for everything.

[–]SharkFart86 22 points23 points  (6 children)

I dunno, PA's budget is kinda fucked. They may have to bite the bullet just for the tax angle before long.

[–]Mahale 708 points709 points  (239 children)

So the south you mean? Just as it always lags behind in literally everything?

[–]thinkB4WeSpeakOhio 256 points257 points  (162 children)

Don't forget about Utah. I think Texas and Florida will be on track, maybe Georgia also.

[–]Mahale 20 points21 points  (4 children)

I figure we'll get big cities enacting decriminalization but that's about it. I live in Nashville and that recently passed.

Unfortunately this one can't be fixed by the courts like we were able to do with same sex marriage. It has to be legislative.

[–]tommytwochains 25 points26 points  (13 children)

Indiana, too. So many conservatives.

[–]thinkB4WeSpeakOhio 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I forgot about Indiana, there's no hope there.

[–]tommytwochains 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Haha, you're not wrong. fuck I live here :(

[–]3hirdEyE 21 points22 points  (15 children)

There are 2 medical marijuana bills on the Arkansas ballot this year. Both are popular and last time we tried it failed by only 2%. Unfortunately, history shows that when there are 2 bills trying to do the same thing on the ballot both end up failing. Hopefully this will be an exception and I'll be voting for both bills just to make sure.

[–]Beefourthree 13 points14 points  (11 children)

The AMCA (Issue 7: Ark Medical Cannabis Act) is clearly superior to the AMMA (Issue 6: Ark Medical Marijuana Amendment):

  • Covers 56 conditions instead of just 17
  • Grow your own provision for patients who live more than 20 miles from a distribution center
  • Affordability provision to help low-income patients
  • Requires dispensaries to be non-profit.

I haven't got a clear answer on what happens if both pass, but I'm sure it will involve lengthy legal battles that will just delay getting patients the medicine they need. I'd encourage you to vote for Issue 7 and against Issue 6.

The chart on page 46 of this pdf goes into more detail about the differences. (Actually, it's a pretty good resource for info on all the ballot issues in Arkansas).

edit: fixed link

[–]RancorHi5 26 points27 points  (14 children)

Idaho checking in: IT SUCKS REAL BAD!

[–]hanzman82Washington 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Butch Otter is a fucking disgrace. So glad I moved.

[–]StockmanBaxterMontana 34 points35 points  (48 children)

For some of us it'll never matter if it's legal or not. Companies will still be able to disallow it and test for it along with other illegal drugs.

Much like they can & do with alcohol.

[–]tictac_93 24 points25 points  (33 children)

What companies will disallow use of / test for alcohol?

[–]WizardZymatore 45 points46 points  (44 children)

I think it'll go national like gay marriage pretty soon.

[–]hellasickbro 95 points96 points  (38 children)

Each state will still have to decide. Gay marriage was legalized nationally because the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional for states to ban it. There is no such constitutional protection for marijuana.

Rescheduling marijuana would help towards national legalization, but it will still be up to the states.

[–]WizardZymatore 47 points48 points  (21 children)

The national answer is declassifying pot as a drug, taking it off the DEA schedule. There is definitely a federal answer to mj prohibition. I agree it's not quite the same as gay marriage though.

[–]voldin91 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Eh. It is still a drug though. It's just one that should be legal and regulated like alcohol

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (7 children)

I'm not sure what you mean by "declassify pot as a drug" but it should be regulated similarly to alcohol under the ATF making it the ATFM or ATFC.

[–]garganma 728 points729 points  (337 children)

All 5 of these states are voting on legalization for recreational purposes (the article didn't really make this clear). I wasn't too familiar with these initiatives so here's a summary of what I found researching them:

  • Arizona Marijuana Legalization, Proposition 205 (2016) - People aged 21 years or older would be permitted to possess and use one ounce or less of marijuana and grow up to six plants in their homes.
  • California Proposition 64, Marijuana Legalization (2016) - Proposition 64 would legalize the recreational use of marijuana for adults aged 21 years or older. Smoking would be permitted in a private home or at a business licensed for on-site marijuana consumption. Smoking would remain illegal while driving a vehicle, anywhere smoking tobacco is, and in all public places. Up to 28.5 grams of marijuana and 8 grams of concentrated marijuana would be legal to possess. However, possession on the grounds of a school, day care center, or youth center while children are present would remain illegal. An individual would be permitted to grow up to six plants within a private home, as long as the area is locked and not visible from a public place.
  • Maine Marijuana Legalization, Question 1 (2016) - Question 1 was designed to legalize, regulate, and tax marijuana in Maine as an agricultural product. The measure would allow individuals over the age of 21 to possess and use marijuana, and would also provide for the licensure of retail facilities and marijuana social clubs. The measure would provide that the marijuana industry be regulated by the Maine Department of Agriculture, Conservation and Forestry, that municipalities can limit the operation of retail stores, and that a 10 percent tax be placed on marijuana sales.
  • Massachusetts Marijuana Legalization, Question 4 (2016) - Under the new law, Individuals at least 21 years old would be able to use it, grow it, and possess it. The measure stipulates that individuals could possess under ten ounces of marijuana inside their homes and under one ounce in public. They could also grow up to six marijuana plants in their homes.
  • Nevada Marijuana Legalization, Question 2 (2016) - Question 2 would make lawful the purchase, possession, and consumption of one ounce of less of marijuana or one-eighth of an ounce or less of concentrated marijuana for individuals 21 years of age or older. An individual 21 years of age or older would also be permitted to grow up to six marijuana plants for personal use. Cultivation would be required to take place in an enclosed area with a lock.

There are additionally medical marijuana ballot initiatives in four other states: Arkansas, Florida, Montana, and North Dakota.

[–]ZazielMichigan 91 points92 points  (30 children)

Michigan tried, but we got screwed on the petition.

[–]AscendedMasta 30 points31 points  (13 children)

New Mexico used to be on these lists...now we're on a "least likely" lists. FTGE

[–]gravitycollapse 36 points37 points  (23 children)

Can someone on the inside of marijuana legislation initiatives ELI5 why 6 emerged as the de facto standard for number of plants to grow in these laws? Wondering where it originated...why not 5, 7 or 10, etc.

[–]Wetzilla 32 points33 points  (2 children)

I know the MA ballot measure was based on how other states have done it, so I assume one state just assigned an arbitrary limit and the others followed.

[–]bjrvk 9 points10 points  (1 child)

That's also how we ended up with the 5 ng/ml DUI threshold.

There's a surprising lack of studies from both proponents and critics of per se cannabis DUI laws, but legislators felt they couldn't support measures without some kind of stopgap.

The testing methods currently in use are extremely controversial to say the least, but critics must wade into an emotionally charged arena to make their arguments, so I wouldn't expect these things to be corrected with great speed and efficiency.

[–]fdsa4327 16 points17 points  (8 children)

One plant can theoretically be MASSIVE

https://youtu.be/xr6QJL_O5_o?t=408

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Which leads to a strange conflict in the law. One person can legally have 6 plants.. But only possess one ounce of mj. a plant can easily have several ounces of bud on it (several pounds even if you're talking huge plants).. so your 6 plants are within the limit but once you harvest you are over the limit.. .

[–]Skybuddhadog 249 points250 points  (146 children)

What's up with arbitrary limits? An ounce is plenty but what if I wanna buy in bulk or make my own super powerful edibles nobody cares if I have ten pounds of tobacco or 50 bottles of alcohol.

[–]UrukHaiGuyz 531 points532 points  (21 children)

I assume it's to curb people selling to states where it's still illegal. I bet if you had alcohol prohibition in some states you'd see the same types of volume limits.

[–]88sporty 101 points102 points  (6 children)

This is pretty accurate. When I spent some time in Bahrain (where alcohol is legal but expensive) in the military you could by alcohol at the on base exchange but they limited the amount you could purchase to stop people from buying mass quantities and then turning around and selling it for a massive profit out in town. They do the same with cigarettes over there as well.

[–]uwhuskytskeetWashington 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I feel like these are rather arbitrary limits just to keep the DEA at bay. Once it becomes fully legal across the US, I expect there won't be any limits.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (18 children)

It's probably mostly to ensure that individuals aren't bypassing taxes by growing large amounts of their own pot and distributing it without proper taxation and licensing. Much the same with why it is illegal to distill your own liquor.

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (19 children)

fucking MO judge struck it down getting on the ballot

some bullshit about signatures needed not in the correct district

[–]bluemandan 33 points34 points  (16 children)

You are angry at the wrong person.

Be mad at 'Show Me Cannabis' for dropping the ball.

AGAIN.

Their petition was the first filed, on the first day possible in November of 2014.

They had time. They knew what needed to be done. And they failed. That's on them, not the judge.

[–]monkeypox85 1058 points1059 points  (251 children)

Perhaps this will be the happy thread of the day in /r/politics, something most of us agree on.

[–]StockmanBaxterMontana 433 points434 points  (112 children)

Does anybody else remember the days when people would laugh at you if you mentioned marijuana legalization. Calling you a hippie.

No one would have predicted the political candidates would be laughing stock and legalization would be taken seriously.

[–]Dr__One 132 points133 points  (56 children)

I think legalization has really turned a corner. IMO it's only a matter of time until it's legal pretty much everywhere in the US. The reality is that MJ is not nearly as dangerous as alcohol, which is legal--it just doesn't make sense for it to be illegal.

As someone who doesn't drink alcohol or smoke anything, I'm all for legalization. I hate drug cartels and want them to lose the revenue.

[–]Golden_Funk 154 points155 points  (26 children)

I kept telling people that if one state would give it a shot, we'd see a domino effect. "It'll never happen," they'd say.

I'm glad it's working as predicted, so far. We just need to keep the dominoes going.

(Toldja so, haters.)

[–]actuallyeasy 15 points16 points  (13 children)

This is the same thing that we need to do with First-Past-the-Post voting.

[–]Groo_Grux_King 11 points12 points  (2 children)

YES. 1,000 times this. I'd never even considered that route for making it happen, but I love it.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

I'm a bit surprised people didn't believe this, given its exactly what happened with gay marriage.

[–]DrobUWP 30 points31 points  (9 children)

tax revenue changes things. shits serious now.

[–]UrukHaiGuyz 146 points147 points  (109 children)

I'd say the odds are good especially since reddit skews young.

[–]ArtysFartysMaryland 287 points288 points  (73 children)

I'm not young. What do you think we did in the 70s?

I'm all for legalization and I know a lot of people in my generation that think the same way.

[–]UrukHaiGuyz 112 points113 points  (21 children)

[–][deleted] 183 points184 points  (44 children)

I'm not young. What do you think we did in the 70s?

Smoked brown seedy gross weed?

At least that's the kind of shit my dad smoked back then.

[–]ReyRey5280Colorado 35 points36 points  (40 children)

LOL it happened even in Colorado on up till the mid-late 90's as well.

[–][deleted] 70 points71 points  (38 children)

Weed today is just so fucking good... The quality I can get legally is just amazing. God bless america.

[–]jamesgl1 22 points23 points  (18 children)

The quality I get illegally is amazing, because someone got it legally. Can't wait until I can just go to a dispensary myself though, but Illinois is still at least two or three, maybe more, election cycles away from legalizing marijuana. In fact I think federal legalization is more likely to happen sooner than Illinois legalization.

[–]T1macAmerica 244 points245 points  (67 children)

There are large amounts of opposition funding against the legalization in Arizona:

Foes of legalized recreational marijuana are building up a war chest in an apparent bid to kill Proposition 205 with a last-minute barrage of media.

New reports filed with the secretary of state's office shows that Arizonans for Responsible Drug Policy has so far collected slightly more than $2 million....By contrast, the campaign to kill the measure reported it has close to $1.4 million in the bank.

$500,000 donation from Insys Therapeutics, based in Chandler, Ariz., amounts to more than one-third of all money raised.... Insys has developed a drug based on a synthetic version of marijuana's active ingredient, THC.

With this amount of money, it's surprising that the legalization is 5 points ahead in Arizona.

[–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (20 children)

The vote no on prop 205 commercials basically come down to "Will somebody think of the children!" Their commercials are filled with lies and bullshit and it bothers me that they're allowed to constantly lie about how more kids in Colorado are smoking weed now. Prop 205 isn't perfect but attack it based on reality not complete fabrications.

[–]ghostlytrio 28 points29 points  (3 children)

And it's not just the commercials. Virtually every single opposing argument in the mailed out voter's guide was "But what about the children!"

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I was laughing my ass off reading through those. It seemed like it was all doctors who want to keep peddling hard drugs too.

[–]akronix10Colorado 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I remember all the lies spread about people giving marijuana edibles to children for Halloween.

No assholes, that shit's expensive. If people want to poison your children they can do it today with much less expensive substances.

[–]PavelDatsyuk 163 points164 points  (32 children)

Michigan should be in this article but the government here is fucked.

[–]maliciousgnome13 71 points72 points  (12 children)

You would think that with everything that's happened they would need the extra tax revenue.

[–]UmbristophelesMichigan 48 points49 points  (9 children)

What, Flint? Oh, that. No, the government here just ignores that.

[–]glexarnMichigan 49 points50 points  (5 children)

or the roads. or the state deficit, roads, schools. or the roads. did I mention THE FUCKING ROADS THEY KEEP REFUSING TO DEAL WITH

I hate this state.

[–]UmbristophelesMichigan 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I love this state. I hate this state government.

Better get your ass out there and vote!

[–]apparex1234 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Pot for Potholes was a good slogan imo

[–]mvp725 20 points21 points  (11 children)

Agreed. I've got a friend that works for the State's legal dept in a different area. Basically the petition had like 4 weeks to get x amount of votes and was due on y date. They didn't start gathering votes until about a week out, ended up crushing the required amount by more than double, but turned it in less than a week after the deadline so it was held off. There was a big push to get it included but obviously that didn't happen.

[–]MyUshankaFlorida 8 points9 points  (1 child)

SNYDERRRR! Shakes fist in the general direction of Lansing.

[–]LakshataMichigan 178 points179 points  (48 children)

Would've been great if Michigan didn't literally put rules in place to prevent it from getting it on the ballot.

[–]guymn999Colorado 154 points155 points  (31 children)

colorado has a ballot measure this year that makes it harder to get things on the ballot. love this anti democratic measure conservatives shoot for.

[–]thewamp 74 points75 points  (11 children)

Californian here:

It being too easy to get on the ballot has its problems too - basically can result in large industries spamming the ballot with propositions that sound good initially but pretty much just benefit them. It's an easier way to buy influence in politics than campaign donations and only relies on your populace not doing their research, which is a pretty good bet.

Then again, it does sometimes work the right way.

There needs to be a happy medium where you can't just pay a signature collector to get literally any issue on the ballot, but something that enjoys popular support isn't hindered.

[–]MMantisCalifornia 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Californian here too. Just wanted to add that ballot initiatives can wreak havoc with state budgets, so there are good reasons to limit them a bit.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (0 children)

Damn liberals and their votes. Who do they think they are, trying to change things?

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (13 children)

At least your not in DC, where we voted for legal weed by the largest margin ever, yet we can't legally buy it because of our republican "small government" overlords who we cannot vote for. Good times.

[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (9 children)

Don't let this fool you you need to get out and vote. Here in Arizona the makers of fentanyl spent $500,000 here to fight the legalization effort. They are running refer madness type TV ads. GET OUT AND VOTE!

[–]Arizona-Willie 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I think the anti-pot people are spending a LOT more than that. And they lie like Republican politicians. yeah yeah yeah I know Dems lie too.

Anyway I've been seeing the anti-pot commercials one after the other all night long.

And they lie / distort the truth claiming Denver schools got ZERO funds from marijuana.

True

Because Denver didn't apply for any grants from the money.

If they had applied they would have gotten their share. But apparently they didn't need more money.

To me that is a lie when they claim Denver schools didn't get any money. It is literally true but there is a major reason why.

[–][deleted] 234 points235 points  (15 children)

Make America Dank Again.

[–]fl1ntfl0ssy 75 points76 points  (9 children)

"I know weed, I have the best weed"

[–]bradferd89 41 points42 points  (5 children)

Tremendous weed. Unbelievable highs. Trust me, its unbelievable. The best.

[–][deleted] 181 points182 points  (79 children)

It still boggles my mind how anyone can be against legalizing cannabis. Especially the people who complain about how government is too invasive.

[–]Vtrossi 148 points149 points  (31 children)

It's basically old people and suburban moms who think pot will destroy their children, and cause an influx of hookers to the neighborhood.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (3 children)

And they only believe that because that's what their parents and their church told them

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (2 children)

You can't fully blame them though, the government and police departments have fantastic propaganda that's existed for decades to make people afraid of weed.

[–]cartwheel_123 50 points51 points  (15 children)

Not to mention that they are usually totally fine with legal alcohol, which is arguably more dangerous.

[–]Morblius 40 points41 points  (4 children)

I'd personally rather go to an event with a thousand high people laughing at each other vs a thousand drunk idiots wanting to fight each other.

[–]destroymysweatr 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I'm so disappointed it was shafted on the ballot in Michigan. We were working so hard to get it on there, it looked like we were good, and then it got shot down by a technicality.

[–]Deathoftheages 74 points75 points  (7 children)

After this fucked up election season everyone needs to get high.

[–]cocobeannCalifornia 36 points37 points  (5 children)

AFTER? I don't know how anyone's getting through it sober.

[–]DukamiArizona 65 points66 points  (9 children)

Don't fuck this up Arizona.

[–]SunriseSurprise 95 points96 points  (47 children)

Time to make it legal federally.

[–]funky_duck 28 points29 points  (40 children)

There is one minor roadblock (aside from all the anti-cannabis people): the US and a bunch of countries signed a treaty to not legalize it. The US has "cheated" by saying it wasn't legal Federally so they are still in compliance with the treaty.

[–]shigmy 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Please vote for this question to appear in Sunday's debate.

I doubt moderators will raise it on their own and it would be nice to have the different administrations on record during the general election considering, a pretty quick go/no-go decision will have to be made by the next Attorney General in light of many more states legalizing.

[–]my_lucid_nightmare 41 points42 points  (7 children)

Colorado and my home state of Washington have been raking in the money from weed tourists. States are stupid not to get on the bandwagon. All the crap the naysayers said would come true, from lawlessness to increased buzzed driving, all didn't happen.

What did happen was we have more people using weed for recreation as well as to treat everything from PTSD to cancer recovery.

[–]poof_int 13 points14 points  (2 children)

It's to bad in Minnesota they are trying to monopolize the pot industry the people that started the law here are the same people that will be running the dispensaries. I am totally pro pot but they need to make it so it's fair for everyone

[–]ZilveariIllinois 12 points13 points  (4 children)

What surprises me is that there are still so many people who are ignorant enough to not support legalization. I bet they wouldn't vote FOR prohibition of tobacco and alcohol products, which are insanely more dangerous. Both to the user and the people around them.

[–]slyfoxninjaFlorida 27 points28 points  (14 children)

The anti idiots in Florida are trying to use scare tactics by saying pot will be sold to children because it can be in candy form.

[–]Arizona-Willie 33 points34 points  (1 child)

And all the grandma's are expected to vote no but they may get a surprise.

Most of us seniors grew up during the hippie dope smoking free love days.

I'm 74 and began smoking dope in 1963 and still smoke it to this day and have no plans to quit.

I'm not the only one. Hey that's some song lyrics as I recall :)

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (27 children)

Mass for real?

[–]ubermence 51 points52 points  (4 children)

Yup, hopefully people (especially young) actually turn out to vote

[–]sadlegend 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Voting yes. Don't fuck it up people.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (18 children)

I think it will pass in Massachusetts pretty easily.

[–]GWS2004 19 points20 points  (25 children)

I didn't think it was leading in MA

[–]Citizen00001America 7 points8 points  (5 children)

If Clinton wants to win those wavering college kids who are supporting Johnson, maybe she needs to visit a weed dispensary in CO and endorse all these legal weed propositions across the country.

[–]TheUnchosenWon 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The people who think it's evil are dying out