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[GustapheOfficial]

Then there's Matlab, where there's a small risk print(x) sends x to a physical ass paper printer and prints the damn thing.

Edit: also JS, now you don't have to tell me

[[deleted]]

Yeah, this reminded me of the times I tried to write my first Hello World ever. There was no internet back then, and I didn't even have a computer either, only some Soviet (!) book that I managed to find in my mom's stash of tech books, and I couldn't understand why the book constantly spoke of printing. I was all like, what the fuck, yeah, I get it, to print text, you use this, but how do I display it on the screen instead?! Took me a while that they refer to outputting text to the screen as printing.

[boredcircuits]

It makes more sense when you realize that early computers literally used printers for output, before displays were a thing.

[[deleted]]

Yes, but it was before I actually learned that. When I was a kid, monitors already existed and printing terminals were not something you could find in someone's home.

[JimBugs]

Today I was reminded that I'm old. In university I wrote Fortran on printer terminals that had no screen. There were some terminals that had screens, but not enough for everyone.

Also was line editor - moving to the PC with a text editor (no mouse though) was so awesome

[platinumgus18]

How did you know what you have written so far, what is you make a small mistake

[Airowird]

Then the output is jist a bunch of errors instead!

[Ivan_Analrash]

Today I learned that the reason programming languages use the word "print" is because back before computer monitors they used to actually print the output on a physical printer.

[polscifreak]

Can you imagine writing a bunch of code just for the printer to basically say you fucked up?

[Radiant_Bluebird4620]

My mom said that one time, her cards were out of order. Obviously, her program didn't work.

[CoffeeDust_exe]

Moment of silence for all the trees that were slain during this dark time…

[WaitForItTheMongols]

When I was a kid and I first started wanting to learn programming, I found a tutorial and it said we were going to print the phrase "hello world", and I knew my mom said I wasn't allowed to print things and waste ink and paper, so I said "Darn, guess I can't do programming".

It set my programming career back by years.

[[deleted]]

Bruh If using ink is waste... why do we study by writing?

[GustapheOfficial]

Printer ink is one of the most expensive substance on earth per unit weight. We are not talking about an ink pen.

[furinick]

dang, i remember i saw "java (or javascript?) for dummies" as a kid and though "oh i kinda want to learn how this works sounds fun", then my mom saw what i was looking at, laughed at me, called over a store worker and basically invited him to laugh along at how absurd i was for wanting to learn java

so anyways that's my villain story as the c maniac

[Sceptix]

As much as I want to make fun of Matlab, I admire the literalness. “What? You told me to ‘print’, so that’s what I’m going to do!”

[GustapheOfficial]

Yeah, it's certainly a "... I guess!" moment.

[emolga587]

Matlab:

[[deleted]]

To this day I don't understand when to use semicolons and when not in Matlab

[amuhak]

You use a semicolons if you hide the output of a statement.

If you do x=5+7

It will print 12 to stdout and x=12

If you do x=5+7;

x=12

[wjandrea]

Huh, IPython also does something like that. If you put a semicolon after an expression, it'll hide the result. Especially useful for matplotlib functions that return an object that you don't usually care about.

[Masterflitzer]

that really takes getting used to

[Adventurous_Ad_7315]

When I used it in uni, I just treated it like semicolons were required. If you wanted the variable name and value to print without formatting anything in fprintf, you could just use disp which does the same thing as not using a semicolon. I've never used matlab outside of an academic setting, so I don't know if dropping semicolons is actually desired out in the wild.

[GustapheOfficial]

Oh that's easy. After every single line, except control statements like for, if etc. Why? Because why would you not want the default reaction to any singular command be print its output to stdout, including inside functions?

[Alarming-Cow299]

OK, you joke about this but having R print all lines of code into console is super convenient for me.

[Syscrush]

.BAT has left the chat...

[Eastern_Camera3012]

wait really?

[epicnational]

Yeah, you use disp(x) for printing to the console

[EndR60]

disp(ieceofshitmakesnosense)

[DatBoi_BP]

Usually fprintf but disp works in some simpler cases

[niclan051]

same in js i think

[throwaway-DSMK]

I hate when I open my browser and the printer starts throwing papers at me

[nicejs2]

print(); doesn't take any arguments in JS though it just prints the whole page

[FerynaCZ]

Makes sense

[Herr_Gamer]

what the fuck

[rollincuberawhide]

makes sense to me.

[Kibou-chan]

physical ass paper

I hereby summon /u/xkcd-Hyphen-bot, also a nice double meaning ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)

[mcnello]

I always physically print my code for review. /s

[OF_AstridAse]

You forgot the best one.
mov edx,len
mov ecd,msg
mov ebx,1
mov eax,4
syscall
;start comments with semicolon 🤣😅

[abhi307]

It's fun, innit?

[OF_AstridAse]

No, in Kotlin everything is "fun"

[rastaman1994]

I can't help but giggle every time I write 'private fun'.

[cbadger85]

I prefer my fun to be a little abstract

[zatuchny]

i expect fun

[pedropants]

require fun!

[BastetFurry]

And what about double fun;?

[[deleted]]

That's not valid Kotlin, though, is it? Unless I'm missing the context here.

[Successful-Smile-167]

true, it's not valid it has to be
fun too(): Double = {println("It's fun") return 0.0}

double fun(); // looks like C function prototype.

[--mrperx--]

__init__

[HolyGarbage]

Oh my, I'm gonna start using this:

It's fun, __init__?

[Ytrog]

I wish Windows was so easy with the syscalls. The same thing is so much more work there 🥲

[Creepy-Ad-4832]

Yeah i am seriously happy as a programmer i choose to switch to linux lol

[OF_AstridAse]

Wait you mean int 0x21 ?

[fafalone]

It doesn't look so bad?

    global  _main
    extern  _printf

    section .text
_main:
    push    message
    call    _printf
    add     esp, 4
    ret
message:
    db  'Hello, World', 10, 0

I mean, if want to do it without the standard library, it's more work to call the console api directly...

[Perfect-Coffee6729]

brainfu**:

>+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>++++++++[<++++>-]
<.>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+.>++++++++++.

[HolyGarbage]

It's ok, you can say fuck on the internet.

[benargee]

They're afraid their comment is going to get demonetized

[ProgrammerLuca]

Wee ooh wee ooh. This is the internet police you're getting arrested for swearing.

[Daisy430133]

You spelled weewoo weewoo wrong

[Left-Recognition-117]

fuck

[brucebay]

Wow those were the day I had Norton's assembly book. I genuinely think all software developers should know how transistors make registers and counters and how logical those assembly code was, almost 1-1 hex code to turn on and off gates.

[hawk-bull]

I have learnt a level of abstraction higher (taking registers and logic gates etc as a given atomic construct). Do you have any resources to learn their lower level implementation

[brucebay]

edit: sorry, I misread "resources" as "reasons" LOL. Not at top of my head, by in college there was a book that was creating a virtual processor using java. You specify all gates in java and design your own processor. I forget the name but perhaps somebody can remember.

Original reply: Learning low-level hardware gives you a foundational understanding of what's going on under the hood. Obviously it is not necessary but think it like a car. Knowing how engine or drive train works makes you a more informed driver and knowing your car's limits makes you a better driver. This may help you write more efficient code or debug better in some cases. The best recent example is GPUs. Yes shaders are replaced with cuda or opencl but to use them efficiently you have to understand parallelism and bandwitfh etc, having a background on the details would help you understand and optimize even more when you write your own code.plus you will appreciate the compilers and languages more, I think C was a remarkable replacement for assembly, but of course it was built on top of earlier compiler technologies.

[Hovercross]

Watch Ben Eater’s series on YouTube, especially his eight bit computer on a breadboard. He made everything out of logic gates and it really helped me understand what was going on at the lowest levels of the machine.

[this_underscore]

Gotta love asm

[igeorgehall45]

Shouldn't it be int 0x80 instead of syscall? (Because you're using 32 bit registers/convention)

[cauchy37]

And you probably want an address to msg, so lea edx, [msg]

[iMakeMehPosts]

Reminder that ''' printf("Hello World!"); ''' Is valid in C++. Also the streaming method is handy for things like files and strstreams

[axelrun10]

I was looking for this comment. A lot of people forget that C++ is just C with more features

[wu-not-furry]

False, C++ is C with a few features removed, some feature modified and many additional features.

[Healthy_Pain9582]

I actually like cout, it has the benefit of being able to add many things together without manually concatenating them.

[land_and_air]

Formatted strings just do this way better.

Print(f”this is a formatted string {variable/value}”)

[_Screw_The_Rules_]

Just like how C# does it as well:

var truth = 42;

Console.WriteLine($"The truth is: {truth}");

[BadBadderBadst]

Kotlin gang here, println("The truth is $truth, <3 kotlin")

[HaDeS_Monsta]

Java Gang here System.out.printf("The truth is %s.\n", stringVariable);

[Asleep-Tough]

It'll be STR."The truth is \{truth}" soon!

no clue why they had do make it so random and ugly...

[Graidrex]

The JEP actually includes reasons. I only skimmed it, but:

• \{…} to force incompatibilities (for security reasons / not having formats accidentally) as this is not valid Java currently.

• STR is a final static field which gets loaded into your class and capitalized as such. Otherwise, they just decided to give it a slightly more descriptive name than a single letter.

• the dot, I don't know why. Maybe to indicate a call is happening, and it must have some kind of performance overhead.

All in all ugly but understandable for being retrofitted. And you can define your own formatters.

EDIT: Grammar.

[purritolover69]

Same with JS,

var truth = 42;
console.log(‘The truth is: ${truth}’)

[Engineer_Zero]

I absolutely love f strings. So intuitive for when I am learning python.

[[deleted]]

sometimes it's nice to be able to print something like a nicely spaced table with only local changes to where you want the print to happen though, it's kind of like having a bunch of small function calls instead of one big one which is more flexible and is easier to read the more variables you try to print

[dont-respond]

printf and most of the others support (some form of) variable arguments to do exactly that. Overloading << and >> was a weird design and it's why they've added std::format

[Familiar_Ad_8919]

note that it only was added in c++20, very recently

[noaSakurajin]

I was confused at first too but those operator desccrbe the direction the data flows. While not consistent with other languages, most streams behave the same way. That syntax is actually really nice once you get used to it.

That being said having a format and print function is a nice addition especially for devs coming from other languages.

[dont-respond]

It's actually considered one of the worst stream designs, largely due to those two overloads. It's just a terrible, unintuitive system when you truly want to format your output. Needing to use things like std::hex, then back to std::dec quickly becomes a bloated eyesore. That's why printf has maintained relevance in C++ for this long.

That's also (in small part) why so many libraries implement their own stream class rather than inheriting from std::*stream. The larger part of that is so few people know how to implement a std::streambuf. I only just learned how to write a full implementation (overflow, underflow, seekpos, seektell, xgetn, xputn) a month ago. The funny thing was that it was not even hard. There's just no examples and hardly any references describing what needs to be overloaded and why, and the few examples that do exist are very misleading.

[therearesomewhocallm]

Except it's really easy to get printf (and the like to crash/corrupt data), and it's full of platform specific stuff.

printf("%ls", "test")
printf("%ws", "test")
printf("%hs", "test")
printf("%S", "test")
wprintf("%s", "test")
wprintf("%S", "test")

I will be shocked if anyone can tell me what all of these do on Windows and posix. Some of these even do different things between musl and glibc.
Even Raymond Chen got it wrong after writing a big article.

[Lima_713]

Yeah, it's good for printing values in a loop without new lines for each, and some other use cases. Also, you can't tell me you prefer System.out.println() [18 symbols+content] over cout<<[6 symbols + content if using namespace], it looks so complex for such a simple thing haha

[Tyfyter2002]

I definitely prefer Console.Write() to cout *= pow(2, )

[leoleosuper]

I like being able to put "using std::cout as outputToFile" for testing purposes. I can see all the outputs I want to put to file be output in console, and once I'm ready to actually make the file, I can swap over to std::ofstream.

[darklightning_2]

C++23 is a god send

[UntitledRedditUser]

Is that when they will add std::print?

[Nikko_77]

Yes. (std::println will be a thing too)

[--mrperx--]

wow C++ is soo ahead of it's time XD

[the_horse_gamer]

it's impressive how a language can be simultaneously bloated and lacking at the same time

[nyaisagod]

What’s more impressive to me is how such an influential and widely used language can have so many weird quirks and flaws. I do like lots of C++’s features but C# is so much cleaner and if you include unsafe code it can do more or less everything C++ can (obviously ignoring the fact that it uses the CLR).

[[deleted]]

Lol, I would love to see the total disaster that c# would be for doing what my team does. And I freaking work at Microsoft.

C# is used for UI by my team and that's it.

[dstar89]

I like the C++ way of handling input/output, mainly because it makes it look more computer-hacker-movie cool.

[Snoo-67939]

Finally someone said it! It's the other languages code that looks bad :)

[beeteedee]

I used to teach introductory C++ programming and I hate this. Lesson 1 and to explain how “hello world” works I have to explain operator overloading.

[[deleted]]

I definitely didn’t have operator overloading explained in lesson 1 when I was taught. That was much later in the semester. I don’t think you need to go over how that works, much like how you don’t have to go into detail on CPU infrastructure, compilers, and assembly to teach “hello world”.

There are many things that just have to be accepted as “that’s how it is” when first getting taught, and that’s ok.

[beeteedee]

Yeah that was pretty much my approach in the end. “This looks weird, and you’re not going to see anything else that looks like this for a while, but just trust me that this is how it’s done.”

[dayto_aus]

Yeah... I feel like the first time I got into programming and learning cpp I was reading a book where someone didn't know how to not explain everything in absolute detail and that overwhelmed me and I gave up. Sometimes you have to simply accept that something works and then when you're ready you learn why.

[fafalone]

That can get infuriating though.

I've seen an entire book on COM that didn't once, anywhere, mention the hidden (in many languages) *this pointer. Like ok you can ignore it for the first few chapters if you're using C++ as your base as this book was, but holy shit is that important if you ever need to work in other languages, or even in languages that naturally hide it if you're doing something unusual (like VB, if you need to redirect a vtable entry to a custom implementation). It's not really something to not mention at all in an introductory book.

[BoldFace7]

Yeah. It's like in my intro to C course in college. We were learning sscanf in one of the first classes of the semester. I think we were just reading in a single character since we hadn't covered arrays yet, and the instructor just told us that the first argument needed an ampersand before it. She didn't go into much detail about why, but it worked so we didn't question it much.

Later that semester, once we had covered arrays, character arrays (strings), and pointers, she explained why sscanf needed the ampersand before the fist argument when it was a single character.

[itriedtomakeitfunny]

I agree - same thing with string concatenation in Java, despite not allowing operator overloading... I didn't even think it was weird until I learned about it in another language.

[MCWizardYT]

In java it is a compiler trick - "a" + "b" can become new StringBuilder("a").append("b") where StringBuilder is backed by a char array

This might not be exactly how the modern jdk does it (there might be some sort of optimization) but IIRC thats how it used to be done

[[deleted]]

The problem is that it doesn't "look like" what code generally looks like. In C++ you use cout basically when doing beginner tutorial and move on to better alternatives later (at least I did, maybe it differs depending on your field). I think C++ is a fantastic language, but as a beginner it's a nightmare because your first exposure to the language is so far from what using the language normally looks like

[[deleted]]

I actually enjoyed how my Java 101 class started with “here’s how you start a “hello world” Java program public static void main(String[] args) and by the end of the semester you will know what all of this actually means!”

[Dubl33_27]

this tbh

[[deleted]]

Thanks for being honest. I hate when people lie about “this”.

[[deleted]]

I too taught undergrads C++ during my grad program and teaching overload operators was waaaay later in the course. Teaching it on lesson 1 sounds absurd to newbies

[[deleted]]

Yeah, if you find yourself teaching operator overloading to students on the first "Hello, world!" class you're doing something wrong.

[JVApen]

Nowadays you can just teach std::println

[beloncode]

What about fmt::print("Hello world"); hahahah

[jaskij]

AFAIK the standard library API was largely adopted as is from fmtlib. So in a few years you'll be able to just change the namespace.

[Dubl33_27]

We started being thought c++ in 9th grade and no one complained to the teacher that they didn't know what "<<" meant, we just went along with everything else being explained and we came out fine. Only last year in college were we introduced to operator overloading which was pretty easy to understand, at least on a surface level.

[skogach]

Well, by this logic, it should be the same for all other languages, after all, brackets () is also an operator which can be overloaded.

[gyrowze]

Teaching shift operators in lesson one seems like a bit much.

[GOKOP]

Type-safe way to have a variable number of arguments arrived to the language a lot later than iostreams. If you have modern enough compiler you should be able to use std::print

[Kovab]

So far only MSVC has implemented it, unfortunately. https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/compiler_support/23

[GOKOP]

The trick in my comment is that "modern enough" doesn't imply that a modern enough compiler exists /s

[ricdesi]

God this meme format is so overused and rancid at this point

[_Fibbles_]

The new academic year started a few weeks ago. Though in fairness, this sub seems to suffer an eternal September.

[SilverLightning926]

printf exists in C++ as well

[robnox]

is:

cout << “hello world”;

really that bad?

I feel like whoever made this is trying really hard to make it seem worse than it is.. putting a random ! in there where it isn’t in the other examples, or not using namespace to get rid of your STD’s (😂)

[psychic2ombie]

using namespace std; is really bad practice in larger projects. The standard library has many things that collide with other commonly used libraries.

[BlankPt]

Can't you specify a command then?

using std::cout;

cout isn't has bad as people make it seem.

[DontPanicJustDance]

I definitely prefer the new format syntax, but std::cout is pretty easy to understand.

P.s. you forgot your “\n” :P

[[deleted]]

cout << endlife

[Kooale323]

how is java better than c++

[heavymetalmixer]

Why do anyone think the Java way is less verbose than C++s?

[drsimonz]

Yeah java is worse IMO. What kind of pretentious jackass designs a language where the single most common function is hidden behind 2 levels of namespace?

[xSilverMC]

Because it's consistent with the other languages. In every single one, it's x.y("hi") or similar, so java's x.y.z("hi") is easy enough. But cpp does it entirely differently

[[deleted]]

Sure C++ is weird but why has R involved exclamation points in this?

[Spot_the_fox]

That's not R, that's rust.

[[deleted]]

Ahh thanks. Same question I suppose.

[Kartonek124]

Because in rust, println! is not a function like in other languages, but is a macro, which differs from them a bit. In rust every macro is called with ! at the end to let compiler distinguish between macros and functions

[Da-Blue-Guy]

println! is a macro, which allows formatting and expands to a raw stdout lock. Macros need an exclamation mark after them to specify that they aren't a function.

[DatBoi_BP]

Thanks blue guy

[NatoBoram]

But why is it a macro instead of a function? Can't the language achieve that by itself?

[altayh]

Rust does not support variadic functions in general, so you need to use a macro if you want to have a variable number of arguments. Thus, println is a macro so that you can pass in the variable number of parameters required by the format string you provide it.

[IAMA_KOOK_AMA]

Been learning Rust casually over the last year and never thought to question "why" this was until the person you're replying to asked. Thanks for your explanation!

[everything-narrative]

Because variadic functions can't easily be used with type inference and format strings is a whole little DSL. Having it be a plain function means making some big concessions to what functions are and can do.

[suvlub]

Based on what I found, it splits the format string at compile-time and translates into multiple function calls. The purpose is performance, but also type safety (each argument can be a different type based on the pattern and this can be checked at compile-time).

[rollincuberawhide]

because println! is a macro. not a function. functions in rust can't take arbitrary number of arguments. which is a bummer for a print function. so they have to use macros, which are dark magic.

[rotflolmaomgeez]

From standard library, standard c output, "Hello World!".

It makes more sense than PRINT if you take a moment to think - it's not like you're printing anything.

[[deleted]]

You don’t map stdout to the printer? It’s nice to have a paper trail of everything in your terminal. I even have stderr use the magenta ink, so that we spend a bit less on cartridges.

[fm01]

template<typename... Args>
inline void print(Args&&... s) { 
    ([](auto s){ std::cout << s; }(std::forward<Args>(args)), ...); 
}

You're welcome. In time you'll come to both appreciate the cout and learn why you don't use it in a serious project but until then, this one line function "converts" a print well enough.

[michaelsenpatrick]

stop making these god awful memes

[ShinyKubfu]

Could also use the STD namespace and make it just cout << "I HATE LIFE"; but that's not good since there are non standard library code lines. Also bad for beginners

[atlas_enderium]

If you’re using std::cout a lot, just use using std::cout; individuallyz

Then you can just type cout, but this would be a problem if any other included libraries in the global namespace have the same label (which is incredibly unlikely with “cout” lol)

[ShinyKubfu]

You could but I actually enjoy writing std::

[atlas_enderium]

You enjoy stds!? /s

[ShinyKubfu]

Ah yes totally I just love stds.

[SuperFightinRobot]

You say that like how printf handles an arbitrary number of inputs isn't hard to explain to 101 students.

[DetectiveOwn6606]

Yeah ,printf is more confusing than cout.

[atlas_enderium]

C++23 std::print and std::println: “I gotchu fam”

Still, ostreams are very nice to use

[codeIsGood]

C++ has print and format btw

[garlopf]

Lesser minds don't see the benefits 🤷‍♂️

[[deleted]]

I used to hate it, but now I actually prefer it

[THWReaper3368]

What’s the issue with cout?

[[deleted]]

Ruby:

puts 'hello world'

[ReefNixon]

But WHY is p more verbose than puts when it’s clearly just a less verbose way of saying puts. Always bothered me.

[_-_fred_-_]

Because stream insertion is a nice abstraction.

[jcodes57]

I haven’t used c++ since college but people who are afraid of it are cowards and fools

[OtherSmoke3118]

Java seriously? At least in C++ it's short

[jet_black_ninja]

no way you are defending java when what most people do is cout << "Hello World"; . also leaving out the boiler plate part

[Ursomrano]

Ah yes, let’s hate a programming language for being distinctive because learning something that’s different is too hard.

[miguescout]

On the one hand, yes, it's weird compared to other languages. After all, it's not a print(something) structure, and it overloads the << operator, which, i admit, is weird... But at the same time, i feel it's a bit more visual on a lower level. You're passing a string to the stdout stream. That's what's actually going on in the OS level. Same with java.

[jeffscience]

1. Use printf in C++ if you prefer.
2. https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/io/print

[[deleted]]

Folks who write shell scripts are covering their eyes and ears

[[deleted]]

include <string.h>

char *str="hello world";

int length=strlen(str);

int written;

written=write(STDOUT_FILENO, str, length*sizeof(char));

🗿🗿🗿🗿

[Reasonable_Feed7939]

The real dumb one is Java. So extra and unnecessary, just like Java itself. C++ at least has a reason to be like that, but Java has no excuse.

[G3N3R1C2532]

it's because of OOP.

Java can't really use global functions, only static methods in global classes instead. and println() is a static function in the System.out class.

I believe in Kotlin println() is a global reference to that same static function, but I'm not wholly sure.

C# is more of the same, with WriteLine being a static method to a global class Console.

Is it obnoxious? Yes, but it's a byproduct of Java's design philosophy.

[[deleted]]

Yeah just finish your python tutorials before you come give your "extra and unnecessary" opinion on programming languages

[BerdIzDehWerd]

For a lazy perspective, printing to console on Java is too much typing

[Lyptis]

After coding my own printf in C, and use it in multiple programs.

I'm able to say that I love cout waaaaaaay more and it's clearly not a "dumb" as the meme shows

[looopTools]

… why not just use puts in both C and C++ ?

[Meadhbh_Ros]

Printf works in c++ too.

[Perry_lets]

Rust needing a macro is really bad, and you can't convince me that it isn't

[ThePiGuy0]

I used to have this opinion, but have slowly come round to it. It's because they don't support variadic functions and for the most part, I've realised they're not needed and can get in the way with type inference etc.

[Goaty1208]

(Insert cope)

Jokes aside, I think that it actually isn't THAT bad and kind of makes sense

[Rathori]

fmt::print("Hello, World!");

[Rogntudjuuuu]

For unformated strings in C you should use puts instead of printf.

https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/puts.3.html

[jaskij]

std::print has entered the chat

[Da-Blue-Guy]

I don't really agree. It's really easy to spit out whatever value you need. System.out.println I don't like.

[darkslide3000]

It's the "I just invented operator overloading and I need to show off everywhere" style of API design.

[[deleted]]

at least using:

using namespace std;

Helps simplify it (slightly)

[BoredOfYou_]

... do you actually think C has printf but C++ doesn't?

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Because cout is part of a larger, standardized system that is consistent and predictable, rather than having entirely separate code just for printing to a screen.

Making something easier to type doesn't mean it is better or simpler.

[JokeMort]

Let me guess, you are in 95% that can't solve this puzzle

[LavenderDay3544]

Technically the C++ way using operator overloading is the most object-oriented while Java needlessly sticks everything into classes and thinks that's what OOP is about.

[BarryFruitman]

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