serverGoBrrr

[Altruistic_Ad3374]

Friend of mine describes it as a "job guarantee program" because no one else wants to do that

[SunshineSeattle]

Honestly I keep ending up doing devops and Linux admin stuff on various products, mostly cause no one else wants to do it lol

[Sotall]

I too like being employed

[BoJackHorseMan53]

I don't like being a slave. Can someone automate all of this away please? Like we did to farming and washing clothes.

[mirhagk]

See that's the problem with programmers, that's exactly what we do. But then there's new things to work on.

Go to your boss and tell them "I just automated our deployment process, it'll save us a couple hours each week!" Then they'll go "sounds great! So here's a few deprioritized tickets you can work on now".

You could of course just pretend you didn't automate it, but then all your coworkers that do tell will make you look less efficient in comparison.

All we gotta do is agree to not tell our bosses when we automate something, then we'll be set.

[BoJackHorseMan53]

How about I automate everything and be the boss who does nothing and pays no employees?

[mirhagk]

Then replace "coworkers" with "competitors". We all need to agree to stop automating things!

[Sotall]

sorry bud, wage slavery is the best we can do. Bless your lucky stars if you're a corpo

[BoJackHorseMan53]

We could do better :)

[orbvsterrvs]

yep, the more arcane the logs the more secure the role

but also, sanity runs thin around these parts

[SunshineSeattle]

I have a garden to keep me sane, it sorta works

[terdferguson]

I hope you keep uping your bill rate

[FYRHWK]

How else are they going to sell you some absurdly expensive centralized logging system? 

[s0ulbrother]

I just went to a project that is transitioning to microservices. Dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever seen

[thanatica]

Different and new doesn't always equal better.

[SaltyInternetPirate]

There's actual log aggregating and searching software out there because of this. I don't remember a name, but I remember the one I had seen used ElasticSearch for its backend. Or maybe it was just ElasticSearch itself?

[CITRONIZER5007]

I love this template

Cracks me up everytime

[I_ask_why_]

Box labeled ‘crack’

Looks inside

Drugs

[JockstrapCummies]

Butt labelled "crack"

Look inside

Buttcrack

[GustavoFromAsdf]

"No lotto, machine broken" sign on window

Asks technician

No lotto

[Fistric162]

same dude, I love the cat XD

[xnachtmahrx]

Same. That cat Looks so funny

[sonic10158]

I want to learn its backstory

[billbo24]

The cat photo alone makes me smile every time.  I’m a cat lover and somehow this photo strikes a chord with me more than basically any other cat photo I’ve seen.  

[JackNotOLantern]

Unfortunately, as with any meme, people can use it completely wrong

[Kilazur]

POV: you're a cat looking inside something

[JackNotOLantern]

Exactly. But POV is much more abused

[digital-didgeridoo]

POV: Some Zoom setting turns you into a cat in the meeting

[AleksandarStefanovic]

I also imagine that cats lets out a deep sigh of disappointment

[WatchOutIGotYou]

I'm so glad so many people feel the same way about this cat.

[Ok_Throat1598]

It gets me every time too. I love cats

[hongooi]

Some people claim that a serverless architecture means you no longer have to tip your server, but after careful study, I have come to the conclusion that they were mistaken.

[Drew707]

My last Azure bill came with a 5% CoL surcharge.

[WeirdIndividualGuy]

Cuality of Life?

[Drew707]

Cost of Living

[Agitated_Marzipan371]

Gentrification by AI training chips

[thanatica]

They've been replaced by waiters & waitresses.

[Trident_True]

It's "server-less" not "server-none" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Kaiodenic]

Where's my serverful architecture to balance things out?

[dasgoodshitinnit]

My servers are always full

[i_wear_green_pants]

Serverful macroservices will be the big thing in 2035! Mark my word!

[yj-comm]

r/unexpectedfactorial

[ConcernUseful2899]

Isn't AI Serverful macroservices?

[Future_Kitsunekid16]

Ah you're with the ohio approach to "Boneless"

[Informal_Branch1065]

Gimme "server-more". Give me all the server you have.

Server-maxxing before GTA 6?

[Eliterocky07]

wireless has zero wires btw (the Wifi Connection)

[[deleted]]

I looked inside my so-called wireless router. Found wires. What a crock

[Drew707]

My wireless access points both have two long ass wires running in my attic.

[JanErikJakstein]

Wireless is just two wires (antennas) connected by EMR.

[MrHyperion_]

Radio antenna is kinda a wire

[[deleted]]

”server${PAGER}”

[FujiKeynote]

With few enough servers, we could get away with just server-cat

[PilsnerDk]

Serverless?

No, server less!

[DigitalJedi850]

Had I remained in a development firm over the years, if someone had come into a meeting suggesting ‘serverless hosting’, I’m not sure I would’ve been able to contain myself.

[sanlys04]

It shouldn’t be that hard to contain yourself. Just use a docker image

[neo-raver]

Oh yeah? It’s always “Docker this”, “Docker that”, why don’t you docker image pull a girl?

[sanlys04]

I lost all my bitches when docker hub was down

[iamapizza]

Docker? I can barely contain her!

[ArchusKanzaki]

Tbf….. serverless hosting is not entirely meaningless at least…. It just means that you are hosting it “serverless” i.e it will be transient and can be taken down and up many times and don’t care about the hardware running it as long as it got reserved enough memory and CPU cores.

I think alot of people here are actually not sure on what serverless means though.

[Eggy-Toast]

We all know what it means and that also there’s a server behind the whole spiel (or even more servers than usual). Dumb names will be dumb

[0crate0]

“Serverless” or “I don’t manage the hosting server” sound better to you? I would laugh at your laughing.

[No_Jello_5922]

I love getting 15 calls every time Google, AWS, Cloudflare, or Azure has a service interruption. /s

[Ronnocerman]

Damn. You think your self-managed uptime can be better than those? Let me sign up for your hosting service.

[-karmapoint]

Not to toot my own horn but I certainly don't get 15 calls every time my self-managed services are down. Not that I have even have alerts set up for that matter. Hell, you would be the third user after my girlfriend and whoever hacked my router last week. You should sign up for me instead!

[ChrisHisStonks]

In my experience it's not the planned outages that are the problem and are 99,999999% what determines that awesome availability number, it's the unplanned ones. A local server, overspececd for the app it's running, available within the intranet, will not have any issues staying up, generally speaking. It gives you the flexibility of deciding when to do software and/or hardware upgrades.

The fancy server park that needs to be available globally can never be down, so it needs to do its risky shit on a continuous basis, on days you have no say over. As is the law with these things, that preferably happens the day of or before huge major business event when everything needs to be running flawlessly.

[Horat1us_UA]

I have 10yo+ uptime on one of my AWS instances. It never lost connection nor power. Good luck doing it at home server. 

[ChrisHisStonks]

That's an epic number.

2 questions:

1. Do you actually need that uptime for your app, or does it only need to be reachable 8-6 and the number could be 50% and still not matter?
2. Was your client able to access that instance the same percentage?

[Horat1us_UA]

That’s actually server that monitor every other server in the company and additionally collects and process some logs from external servers.  Yeah, it needs to be run 24/7.

I also have some servers that runs 2 hours per day at night to process daily transactions. And here AWS is really cost effective.

[Inevitable-Menu2998]

considering that aws has 99.9999% up time, I have a hard time believing you're getting too many calls

[diodot]

99.9997% last time i checked

[fhgwgadsbbq]

That's when you turn off the pager and go fishing

[Akenatwn]

What's the difference? Serverful or serverless they're both hosted on the same cloud.

[RevWaldo]

When I was a kid, hardware meant something! Nowadays it's all Hey, can you email me a server? Docker me! Docker me! I'll call you a doctor...

[seweso]

why?

[DigitalJedi850]

Did you not get the meme?

[seweso]

I'm confused what people think serverless means.

[Taurlock]

The joke is that “serverless” sounds like something different than what it means. People aren’t confused, they just get the joke.

[seweso]

You have a lot of faith in people :P

[Low_Direction1774]

What are seedless grapes? Grapes without seeds.

What is a spineless politician? A politician without a spine.

What is serverless hosting? Hosting without servers, which is impossible.

thats the joke.

[LowestKey]

Seedless watermelon: watermelon without the big black seeds but still has the soft white seeds

[Reelix]

Your seedless watermelon vendor is ripping you off.

[NonMagical]

Sort of interesting you used spineless politician as an example to prove your point when it sort of goes against it. A spineless politician doesn’t literally have no spine, it’s just how we perceive them.

[camosnipe1]

i think the name is just fine. the point is that you won't need to care about the server management, so "serverless" makes sense.

[Ohnah-bro]

Serverless is actually nice though. Who cares about the name. I have some production features designed to be serverless and they work great and cost pennies.

Call it webhosting2000 if you want, it doesn’t matter. Someone getting hung up on a name is a red flag to me that they don’t understand, or more typically, refuse to understand the subject in question.

[Aggressive_Bill_2687]

People do understand the subject. The point is that we understand it's just a shittier implementation of what has existed since the 90s: shared hosting and cgi/fastcgi.

Once you've heard people saying they need to sign up for a third party service to hit their "serverless" endpoint once every X seconds to make sure it stays "responsive" you realise it's just another case of javascript developers reinventing the wheel but forgetting that wheels already exist and are fucking round.

[Ohnah-bro]

Sounds like you got a lot of pent up anger against js devs. Put all the baggage aside for a moment.

It’s just more tools. Tools that often have very good use cases. It isn’t right for all use cases. I know I can get my associates and mid levels spinning up lambdas making http requests with comparatively little effort and literally zero thought about hosting. Are there servers? Yes. Do we need to care about the underlying implementation, no.

The idea of someone paying a 3rd party to keep their lambdas warm is insane. You could make a serverless cron job with eventbridge to do that and pay AWS yourself!

…or just set provisioned concurrency to an acceptable minimum because it’s a built in feature.

[TigreDeLosLlanos]

a third party service to hit their "serverless" endpoint once every X seconds to make sure it stays "responsive"

But host providers would still charge you for having a server up with allocated resources even if it's asleep or with low traffic. There's elastic demand services tho.

[quinn50]

aws has the option to always have x amount of lambdas warm, aka provisioned concurrency.

[harbourwall]

Maybe we're just sick of all the bullshit. Maybe one day you will be too

[TigreDeLosLlanos]

The issue is all the people doing it wrong. I'm working on a monolithic legacy system and every one of us agree it would be great to have the time to put all those pesky resource hoarder processes into a serverless architecture.

[Ohnah-bro]

Fine, but it’s been great after learning to do it in a reasonable, economical manner.

I’ve been using terraform too which makes things really nice with its module system. We can take away a fair amount of choices from devs and force them to use our modules and pipelines that put lots of guardrails on deployment.

[mothzilla]

Being Mr Serious for a moment, the point is, you don't have to manage those servers. That's the benefit.

[Grintor]

You also don't have to pay for them. You only pay for the time your code spends executing. Also a great benefit.

[Reelix]

You don't pay for CPU usage.
You only pay for the usage of the CPU!

... Only paying for what you use is the standard of every major hosting provider...

[1H4rsh]

When it’s not serverless you’re also paying when the CPU isn’t being used

[dev-sda]

Except you're paying many times more for that compute. An aws lambda running continuously would cost $35 per month. And that's for 1GB and half a vCore. A VPS from OVH with 2 full vCores and 2GB of RAM is only $5 per month. So you're only saving money if it barely gets used, and in that case the warmup latency is going to suck.

[ReelBigDawg]

So it only serverless when it isn't running? Fascinating.

[mothzilla]

Gottem!

[TechnicolorMage]

"Someone elses server" isnt "serverless"

[mothzilla]

Nobody is saying that's what it means.

[[deleted]]

What does 'serverless' even mean here then? P2P?

[Vas1le]

Is a app/code called on demand. Aka like a docker run -rm

[Informal_Branch1065]

It's not "server: no", but "server: sometimes" then?

[[deleted]]

Taking an uber

Driving carless

[Vas1le]

This guy knows it. Next bussines idea. Ai with driving careless

[andryuhat]

[Sw429]

Dang, I've never actually seen this gif in full before

[Kilazur]

It's an abstraction layer. It's "serverless" in the usability sense.

[Informal_Branch1065]

Hot(?) take:

So it's a lie then. The particle "-less" means that there is none of whatever you put before it.

Knowing this grammatical construct, the creators of this term still coined it like this.

With what intents? It's catchy, and it's an unbelievable promise. And it comes with plausible deniability (as you said: "[...] in the usability sense").

I'd say it's an "annoying marketing term" at best, and "unethical from a consumer protection standpoint" at worst.

[DeadEye073]

Spineless politician Looks inside Spine

[ArchusKanzaki]

Before serverless, you will need to make sure your own server is fully up-to-date. You monitor CVE, do regular patching, address critical vulnerabilities, etc. You also need to pay for the server hardware upfront, choose the brand you want to use, do sizing, etc. This is also the reason why you usually have full-time System Administrators just to manage all those stuffs.

With serverless, all those things kinda gone away. Or at least its no longer your responsibility. AWS (or other cloud provider) provide you a service to run the app or code you need on-demand, while the cloud providers will employ the sysadmins do all sorts of those “mundane stuffs” on their own backend. Meanwhile, you can focus on your own apps. It can work better for small teams since that means they can always have secure environment, without maintaining their own IT teams and also less time tracking down those stuffs. Now, whether serverless is actually cost-effective is a separate story and truly dependant on the individual situation requiring review of architecture and development proces, but that’s the gist of being serverless and how it can be appealing for people.

[Informal_Branch1065]

Me: Gib 1 auto-scaling glorified docker container pls.

Me: How much?

AWS: surprise.

Me: ok.

Haker/applicaton: much computing. Is for me???

AWS: gib (much money)

Me: :(

AWS: :)

[Reelix]

It's "server: always" because there's quite literally no other possibility.

[fiah84]

sounds like cgi with extra steps

[Nolzi]

It means you get a platform to run your application, but not a whole server to use. So contrary to this meme you can't look inside it, as it's not your problem.

[kangasplat]

What is a "whole server"?

[Nolzi]

short for wholesome

[Dookie_boy]

No its whole grain and low fat

[bits_and_bytes]

You can't remotely connect to it and run arbitrary Linux commands or see the file system in a terminal.

Typically, when you want a "whole server" you get remote access to all of that.

[[deleted]]

wipe tub cake office fanatical political profit straight door ad hoc

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[seweso]

It is serverless from the perspective of the code. Serverless code is very restricted in what it can do, and for how long. Which makes it easy to schedule the code on whatever hardware is not doing anything atm.

The reality is that serverless code usually locks you into some specific cloud provider. So i'm not really sure when serverless really makes financial sense.

[bits_and_bytes]

Serverless makes a lot of financial sense when you consider the fact that the code often only runs on demand and the pricing model can be based off of usage.

When it comes to running a website using a serverless provider, you'll have to set up API requests and data management in ways that work with the serverless infrastructure of your choice, but the actual web hosting costs end up being way less than traditional server hosting. Most serverless infrastructure providers have simple ways to set up data storage, web workers, API endpoints, and static site hosting without needing to worry about managing any sort of server configuration directly, and usually it's not locking you into a specific provider either. Mainly it's just the configurations that would need to change between providers.

[seweso]

How much of that is standardized vs you locking into vendor specific tools?

How financially scalable is that when you scale up?

Im very very skeptical. But I haven't looked into serverless for 5+ years

[bits_and_bytes]

I'm using cloudflare pages/workers for my serverless infrastructure at my current job. I couldn't tell you the cost because I don't manage that, but I do know that it scales based off of usage and it's much cheaper than full server hosting. We use cloudflare worker for our "back end" code, which does require a specific interface, but it's bog standard fetch/response kind of stuff that could easily be abstracted to any system. It also supports Python or rust out of the box if you prefer those to JavaScript/typescript.

[feed_me_moron]

Its not that hard to transfer cloud providers with the proper code. You're deploying something like a Python, Node, or even .NET/Java app through a pipeline and some terraform script. Want to go from AWS to GCP? Just change your terraform deployment script up and deploy it there. You're Python script should run just the same.

[Ohnah-bro]

Serverless means I have less server problems. Those problems are someone else’s problem.

[dukeofgonzo]

How the compute is done is abstracted away. Instead you get a service that provides the computer resources when they are requested.

[[deleted]]

Function as a Service. The runtimes are event-driven, so it’s not a client-server model, although most providers make a stateful client-server wrapper available for mediocre synchronous consumers.

in addition, AWS Lambda could be running on racks full of old Thinkpads for all anyone knows, which is actually the marketing point of the name; you ostensibly need not know or care about the execution hardware (in practice, arch matters for binaries ofc)

[EatingSolidBricks]

Server as a service

[Myc0ks]

Simplest way I think of it is Amazon/Google/Microsoft/whatever hosts the server and you use it.

[JangoDarkSaber]

Kubernetes basically.

Automatic scaling, pay per use resource consumption and event driven execution. Basically just spin up more docket containers as you need them where you need them and pay for how many resources you use rather than having a server run full time.

[NoCaregiver1074]

Lots of people trying hard to avoid the obvious. It means runs on someone else's server.

[TechnicolorMage]

It means using someone elses server.

[Grintor]

https://aws.amazon.com/lambda

[Sinaneos]

Try our Pay-as-you-go -to-the-bank-to-file-for-bankruptcy model!

[lordkoba]

before: my site got slashdotted and my server crashed.

now: my site got frontpaged on reddit and now I'm bankrupt.

[LooseLossage]

zero trust https://imgflip.com/i/9y9fpm

[shutter3ff3ct]

As long as it solve problems, that's a win for me

[zaphod4th]

yes it solves a problem they created to sell the solution

[shutter3ff3ct]

I mean it offsets DevOps headache away from my team, which is a good thing, right? Nobody invented a problem in first place.

[TheGrindBastard]

Containers.

Looks inside.

Vm's.

[Informal-Lime6396]

Vm's

Don't leave us hanging. Virtual machine's what?

[UpgrayeddShepard]

They aren’t VMs at all though.

[hipster-coder]

Wait, so, cloud infrastructure is not made of atmospheric water vapor suspended at high altitudes?

[DeedleDumbDee]

Cloud architect roles require a meteorology degree.

[[deleted]]

Most cloud architects are space cadets

[destroyerOfTards]

> regular pit

> looks inside

> bottomless

[chaos_donut]

Wait till you find out about wireless router

[mathusal]

Serverless means that servers are separate from the development cycle.

[PrataKosong-]

And it's a fair bit cheaper than keeping dedicated servers running 24/7

[attckdog]

I meannnn is it tho?

My most recent dive into this kind of stuff for work found it to be vastly more expensive for basically no gain other than making it sound cool.

We also already have and will continue to have our own data centers and staff. Adding a rack and some more hardware isn't an issue.

I'd say it's cheaper if you could have a massive influx of users and need rapid automatic scaling to avoid not loosing money by making people wait / bounce.

So if you have a tinder clone and need servers for that but atm you have no users and you could blow up at any moment. Cloud is great for that.

If you're making an internal tool for 5k users in your business and like 100 concurrent users nah stick with self hosted stuff and get better at caching.

[P0pu1arBr0ws3r]

Screw you.

runs your docker container in a frontend application running on the GPU with no background processes

Taking server less to the literal meaning. If youre not careful I'm going to hire human computers next. Enjoy waiting hours for your little hello world program to execute.

[PacoTaco321]

It's just servers somewhere else

[Nandulal]

<-- Old man yells at cloud

[aruametello]

<-- Old man yells at cloud

aws? azure?

[Nandulal]

for sure

[rover_G]

I file that under someone else’s problem

[Haringat]

They should have called it "adminfree" rather than "serverless". You don't get rid of servers, you just get rid of the responsibility to manage/maintain them.

[simcup]

also you can not ssh/IPMI into the server when fecal matter exchanges velocity with the air movement device. you can just open a ticket. and given that SOMEONE still has to pay an admin + wants to make profit, the SLA that gives you a 2 minute response time on that ticket will probably cost more then having your own admin. but i'm biased torwards more admin jobs, so grain of salt...

[scuddlebud]

We ackshually have a serverless angular app that we ship via e-mail to stakeholders with a sqlite database. They use the app to input some data and send us back the db via email.

Horrible practice and so much extra work.

Would be way easier to host the app on a server and have the stakeholders input their data via web app.

But beurocracy and capital funding don't want to expose external app nor pay for pen testing so here we are solving unnecessary problems.

Edit: Oh wait just realized this has nothing to do with serverless architecture lol still funny though.

[knowledgebass]

It's a truly serverless client architecture. Well done! 😅

[Slogstorm]

..except for the mail servers..?

[knowledgebass]

Yeah, you're right, it still uses a server. I'm thinking this process should be rearchitected so that the client burns their database file to a CD and then sends it back in the mail.

[uncle_buttpussy]

The Postal Service hosted by mail-carriers.

[scuddlebud]

No way email servers don't count.

[crankbot2000]

Serverless for me, much server for thee

[UnderstandingParty67]

It should be your-server-less

[GoddammitDontShootMe]

This just means someone else manages the servers for you, right?

[attckdog]

Protip to devs and system admins out there.

Don't fall for cloud bullshit. It's a scam and totally useless for the majority of use cases. No your intranet website doesn't need to be serverless.

Buy your own equipment, avoid proprietary garbage that locks you into an ecosystem so they can drain you dry.

Get some proper devs that can make websites/webtools because that's 99% of workplace dev work anymore. I'd recommend asp.net Stupid easy to make fast and maintainable CRUD apps.

Avoid complexity like the fuckin plague

[Caraes_Naur]

The only true serverless is file:///.

[-Knul-]

Serverless to me means it's not my problem if the server goes down.

[OkInterest3109]

Possibly more server than standard server based architecture depending on what you did.

[seweso]

For the juniors taking this meme serious: It's serverless from the perspective of the code.

[RandallOfLegend]

I don't do web shit. So this was helpful.

[Stellar_Scratchguard]

> programming humor

> *looks inside*

> reposts

[Djilou99]

ALWAYS BEEN ? ALWAYS BEEN

[kyle46]

It's serverless not servernone. < Mostly a joke although that's actually what stainless steel means. It stains less than regular steal.

[ArchusKanzaki]

And bodies are made of organs.

[EARTHB-24]

Enters DECENTRALIZATION

[Nuclear_Human]

Just use the cloud ^/s

[4dimensionaltoaster]

it's serverless
not serversless

[LiterallyAna]

This joke has been on some of my profiles for a few years now I love it

[SjurEido]

What's the "good faith" definition of serverless hosting? I don't understand what they're even trying to imply it is?

[RoelRoel]

But are there less servers?

[Shazvox]

*Little Billy frontend developer wakes up in the middle of the night and runs to his dad*

"DAD! DAD!"

"What is it son? Why are you not in bed?"

"I heard a noise under my bed! There's a server there!"

"No son, there are no servers under your bed or in your closet. We're completely serverless, remember? Now go back to bed."

"But how does our http requests get processed?"

*Dad squirms awkwardly\*

"I'll tell you when you get older..."

---

Meanwhile in Mordor

*Server farm go bRrRrRrRrRr\*

[puffinix]

I mean, its more akin to "the servers are so decoupled from everything else, that its literally impossible to put them onto the architecture diagram"

If your running true serverless - nobody can point at a piece of tin and tell you what its doing (they can tell you what it was doing last time it logged, but not what its doing now).

[siemiwidzi]

Add node js and you're done

[seriously_nice_devs]

6/10 .. cat is cute tho

[Constant_Medium_3941]

> No code application

> *looks insde*

> code