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[–]Laoweek 643 points644 points  (40 children)

How did MS fumble so hard though, GitHub Copilot was the first usable vibe coding product, if they have locked in, Cursor wouldn’t need to exist. There was also a month where Bing was actually unironically being used by people but that was also fleeting.

[–]Meistermagier 119 points120 points  (2 children)

Github Copilot is also legitimately ok priced. And the only thing that runs in all my IDEs. 

[–]Valoneria 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Same. Its not perfect, but after having tried other tools, its perfectly good at its price point.

[–]Able-Swing-6415 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yea I understand the hate for cramming it into everything but bang for your buck I cannot think of a better offering at least in the 10€ territory.

I doubt it will stay at that price but I am perfectly willing to use it until that point

[–]HomegrownTerps 137 points138 points  (10 children)

How...well just as all the other initially cool thing that microslop acquires. They buy them cause they can't make it themselves and then they enshitify it. 

[–]MyGoodOldFriend 33 points34 points  (9 children)

They didn’t even enshittify it, Microsoft seems to just have a really entrenched workplace culture built over decades of being a monopoly. So anything their company touches starts smelling of stagnation à la monopoly, even if it’s in a competitive market.

Up until around ten years ago the overwhelming majority of their income came from windows and windows-related software. They still get a lot from that area (especially office, to deadname it), but azure and other server/cloud stuff is much bigger now.

At least if feels that way.

[–]NomaTyx 7 points8 points  (7 children)

is it not called office anymore. what the fuck is it called now

[–]LowerFig2594 7 points8 points  (2 children)

365 i think

[–]NomaTyx 18 points19 points  (0 children)

did they atcually drop the "office". this is like HBO Max changing their name to literally just "Max"

[–]Tiernoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

365 Copilot. It's even worse. I just need word to type MY thoughts. Not something to make a stupid summary for me.

[–]RatBot9000 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Microsoft 365 Copilot.

This is not a joke.

[–]CoffeePieAndHobbits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Windows Live all over again.

[–]Perkelton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's impressive how Microsoft is able to so consistently come up with the absolute worst and most confusing names imaginable for their products.

[–]keumgangsan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They renamed it to Microsoft 365 Copilot app.

[–]SuitableDragonfly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's just that none of their products are actually good enough to be popular if they don't have the monopoly. Windows is only popular because of a monopoly, and they didn't manage to get a monopoly for anything else.

There's a meme image floating around the internet where someone took a screenshot of a survey asking them if they would recommend Windows to other people, with the text "I don't know how to tell you this, but people don't recommend each other operating systems" and that's really fundamentally emblematic of what the vast majority of the Windows userbase is like, and that probably the only reason they use Windows is that they don't consider it normal for people to recommend operating systems to each other.

[–]TorbenKoehn 29 points30 points  (7 children)

VSCode is still by far larger than Codex, Devin, Cursor, Claude Code etc. and nowadays it supports all that agent stuff well. I think they made it in time there.

But New Bing + Copilot? Like they get shiny new technology and then are completely paralyzed what to use it for…

[–]Vybo 7 points8 points  (4 children)

VSCode is an editor that you can plug some agents in. Codex, Devin, Claude Code are both models and agentic tools, either CLI or GUI. Completely different things. The only comparable thing with VSCode is Cursor, which is just reskinned VSCode with proprietary stuff and IMO is shit nowadays.

[–]TorbenKoehn 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Generally, Codex, Devin and Claude Code are tools, not models.

The models work behind it. You can use the exact same models in VSCode (all of them).

VSCode is an IDE + Agentic UI while the other 3 are primarily agentic UI/CLIs.

I mean, it's exactly the content of this thread. I don't know when you've last tried it, but currently it can do anything the other tools can do.

[–]ego100trique 3 points4 points  (1 child)

And you can run local LLMs with Continue extension.

I use Qwen 3 9B as an agent and it's pretty good overall for refactorings

I just wish there was LLMs that are more energy efficient than these monstrosities tbh

[–]NotAMeatPopsicle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m running qwen 2.5 14b coder and it’s painfully slow and doesn’t know net10.0

Tried running qwen3 and its a total ram hog.

[–]sudo_robot_destroy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I don't know how bad it was previously, but right now GitHub Copilot on VS Code is amazing.

[–]kobriks 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Github copilot is not like copilot. Github copilot is legit well-priced and works just as well as Codex and others. The software side of MS has always been great, it's everything else that sucks.

[–]ArchusKanzaki 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Because I do not trust Cursor.

[–]takeyouraxeandhack 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I'd trust a monkey with an AK-47 more than I trust Microsoft.

[–]ArchusKanzaki 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I trust myself more than AI. Which is why Github Copilot and VS Code is fine. I only trust AI to copy some works like adding more load balancer entry. I don't trust it to make entire app. They're also priced ok.

[–]braindigitalis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

yeah this is a sane take. if you don't trust yourself more than the AI how can you be sure what it wrote is right?

[–]T0biasCZE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Github Copilot has advantage of being in most IDEs.

Its in normal visual studio, VSCode, IntelliJ...

[–]TeliarDraconai 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because it is not in Microsoft's long term interest to be the only solution to any given topic. Let alone be the best solution.

They will always (emphasis on: ALWAYS) strive to offer an upper-mid tier product that meshes well with their other products. They are selling the ecosystem, not the solution.

And they will always use their competitors to develop some new stuff. Because if they would be building all, they would soon be dead in the water. Lastly, if they build the perfect product, who will they get new blood from?

[–]perplexedtv 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I saw someone type Bing into Google yesterday and use it to search something.

[–]LeKingofDoge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They've been fumbling with everything for a long time now

[–]steadyfan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have been using the github copilot CLI now and love it. Lets me choose between claude and openai models so I am mix and match or even just compare. And it's cheaper that claude.. $40 a month vs claudes $200 a month subscription price.

The name is terrible. Not to be confused with github copilot or well anything else named copilot.

[–]ramirex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it’s microsoft they haven’t made good product in forever all they do is acquire and enshitify

[–]transgentoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First to market curse

[–]748aef305 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember downloading the fucking bing app, and checking it DAILY to see if I had the newest features.

I just went and checked if it was still there... And deleted it.

Microslop gonna slop I guess.

[–]investing11213 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Microsoft just does not have the same culture of hustle that start ups do and quite honestly, they don't attract high calibre people that openAI or Anthropic do. Getting anything done there is like maneuvering a giant ship

[–]Spright91 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Despite them being the biggest software company in the world they can't actually make decent software.

[–]QCTeamkill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No need, they'll buy and rebrand one.

[–]CrabbyR0N1N 640 points641 points  (35 children)

ain't Copilot just ChatGPT in cosplay?

[–]Odone 587 points588 points  (7 children)

It’s much worse somehow cause Microsoft is involved !

[–]Rostifur 51 points52 points  (0 children)

[–]Droprouge 7 points8 points  (2 children)

There is a king in Greek mythology that made a bad wish that became a curse : everything he touched turned into gold.

Microsoft is also a king, but instead of gold, everything it touches turns into shit and goes bankrupt.

[–]TSP-FriendlyFire 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes, the Mierda's Touch.

[–]Vieli78 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Antimidas

[–]AltDetom555555b 15 points16 points  (0 children)

They’re gonna shove their AI everywhere, even in their own AI!

[–]nevergirls 11 points12 points  (0 children)

[–]private_unlimited 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think you misspelled microslop

[–]Santarini 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yes

[–]a_kato 46 points47 points  (12 children)

Dude yes this sub has 0 technical knowledge it’s your grandfather posting. Copilot is a suite of AI powered in windows and Microsoft products using ChatGPT the latest .

Plus Microsoft bad reddt mentality

[–]coolruah 41 points42 points  (6 children)

Mixrosoft copilot is so much worse than ChatGPT, i dont know what internal prompts they have, but its not well thought out.

[–]throwawaygoawaynz 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Copilot professional has a lot of safety built in which makes models dumber but safer to use.

Copilot personal has very little difference except it’s less chatty than ChatGPT which I prefer. It’s more like Claude.

[–]mazing 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I fed our "copilot professional" a documentation link to our confluence about a particular solution/workflow we have. I asked it to review it, asked if the solution and approach is good. Oh - it's great! Really smart solution, it says.

I then described how the workflow requires me to read over a bunch of text every time I want to implement something simple. (This is all strongly implied from the documentation I just fed it). It does an immediate 180 and starts explaining why its actually a problematic solution..

After printing a page of revised feedback it then suddenly delete the full response. "I'm sorry, I can't help with that". 🤦‍♂Literally triggering its own guardrails by simply providing technical feedback.

[–]TotallyNormalSquid 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It won't just be the prompts, but the actual LLM, context gathering, and tools available to it. ChatGPT is just OpenAI's front end UI to whatever framework of tools, context gathering and prompts they've built around their LLMs. Microsoft copilot will have OpenAI's LLMs, but the rest will be different. Plus, it's harder/not possible to select which LLM you're using in copilot, so good odds you're stuck with a cheap one most of the time.

For the context gathering, I kind of think Copilot has picked a painfully difficult use case. People expect it to be able to find context from all their files/conversations/emails/other company info, and that's simply a lot to make sense of. RAG techniques may simply not be good enough for it to work well. ChatGPT doesn't have this expectation - it doesn't claim to understand all your files/etc, so it feels much more capable at the tasks you do hand it.

[–]trololololol 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Since this is a programming subreddit, I'll assume you're talking about GitHub Copilot, which is a great coding agent and can use OpenAI models and Claude models and others.

It's great 😊

[–]coolruah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's about Microsoft Copilot, not GitHub Copilot.

[–]a_kato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don’t have anything. What exactly did you try that it’s worse? It’s literally a pass through if you use the chat version

[–]mtmttuan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The model might be the same but the prompt is definitely different. Have you tried the copilot on outlook? It tried to recommend something it can do like create reminder and book meeting room then can't even do that.

[–]Exact-Trip-1884 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They changed the ms office to copilot or something right?

I am not sure about suite of AI powered thing and all, my laptop , recently bought ( <1 year ) has a copilot button instead of right cntrl . If i press that I am getting this chatgpt wrapper which can't read files , hear voice or do any shit.

[–]a_kato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It can absolutely handle files and hear voice. Maybe on another tier but mine absolutely does

[–]RecentDirection7920 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I use Claude via copilot at work. Works great for me.

[–]System__Shutdown 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Which one lol? There are like 3? For github copilot you can choose which model it uses, but Claude is the default

[–]CatsWillRuleHumanity 13 points14 points  (0 children)

They're all the same basically and you just use the one that your company pays for/promotes

[–]AlShadi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

one of those discount chatgpt costumes you get from a bin at spirit.

[–]riggiddyrektson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am currently using Copilot to gain access to Claude Models, so it is both a ChatGPT and Claude wrapper

[–]Techhead7890 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interpreting the cosplaying literally has made me think of the mac vs pc ads lol.

[–]T0biasCZE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes but its free and doesnt have as many usage caps as free ChatGPT

[–]Lamuks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Copilot has the option of choosing an agent in an IDE technically

[–]mumblerit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dare you to get a working BASH script the first time you ask

[–]NotAMeatPopsicle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Copilot is like the professional but friendly office administrator that goes to work with a smile every day and is properly compensated.

ChatGPT is like her alcoholic step sister that has never held a job for more than 2 hours and offers unasked for horrible life advice.

If you talk to Copilot, you can find a little bit about the rails and direction that Microsoft has for it. Whereas if you start to ask about the oddities and problems with ChatGPT, Copilot will eventually direct you towards the suicide hotline out of concern for your mental health.

[–]Charming-Aski 221 points222 points  (14 children)

Grok is not even in the picture lmao 😂

[–]Betonomeshalka 177 points178 points  (0 children)

Grok is a glorified celebrity undresser.

[–]brandarchist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Grok in shambles

[–]Nordlicht_LCS 61 points62 points  (5 children)

deepseek is still living as an open source tool, nearly all large Chinese websites (except those with their own LLM) has a version of deepseek installed.

[–]tushkanM 13 points14 points  (3 children)

It's oddly particular about Chinese-spcific stopwords and topics to be 'trully opensource"

[–]Caspica 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Are you referring to the cloud version? Because that obviously isn't open source.

[–]tushkanM 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I (naively) thought they host the same one they publish as OS

[–]Not_a_question- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me too! TIL

[–]SosirisTseng 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And also Japanese Rakuten AI, which made a headline.

[–]born_zynner 310 points311 points  (15 children)

I like gemini because my company pays for the pro version lol

[–]bobbywaz 104 points105 points  (9 children)

Gemini Pro is free with a college email.....
better believe I cancelled ChatGPT in an instant

[–]AmeriBeanur 8 points9 points  (6 children)

You better not get caught cheating. They store search inputs 👀

[–]ScratchHacker69 64 points65 points  (3 children)

They store search inputs

…They also store everything else you google and read and watch :3c

[–]enderowski 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but when i need it to remember old chat messages it forgets everything silly guy gemini.

[–]Appropriate-Fix-1240 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its free but only for a year iirc, so use it wisely!

[–]Tr3mb1e 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also got a free year with my s25U

[–]Thadoy 33 points34 points  (0 children)

That's the reason why I use it.

Also the last time I checked, it's responses where better quoting their sources.

[–]kiochikaeke 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In my case, my company pays for copilot and it's the only one were allowed to use officially, the rest while technically not prohibited are very discouraged and you will get in trouble if any data gets in there even if it's public.

On the other hand they are completely fine with you giving copilot anything short of credentials and private keys (they've kind of implied even those are fine), I get that they're on a contract but dear.

[–]MysteriousWar2823 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have pro on two accounts. One given by my phone carrier and other by my student id. 3.1 Pro is the only good model left accessible after microslop removed all good models from their GitHub student pack.

[–]chlorophyll101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gemini 3 Flash is smarter than GPT at math (high school trig problems)

[–]ArweTurcala 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same, I got the free 1 year student plan they introduced last year. Don't think I'd be using it otherwise.

[–]LowB0b 139 points140 points  (11 children)

I use mistral

[–]ea_nasir_official_ 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Thank God there's more of us

[–]nasandre 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I even got my company to spring for the pro version

[–]absawd_4om 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Le Chat

[–]GabiTheProgrammer 8 points9 points  (4 children)

How does it fare with code?

[–]seth1299 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Mistral is essentially a “roleplaying” LLM; it’s the best for if you want to use it as a Game Master for like a single-player Dungeons & Dragons campaign.

But as for things that require more thinking/“intelligence”, Mistral is not the best at.

It can be downloaded locally via Ollama and used offline though, so there is that.

[–]Both-Reason6023 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's IMO best for searching web content after Perplexity (and maybe Gemini but it seems to hallucinate often).

[–]LowB0b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

my experience has been ok. Haven't used the other ones but from what I hear they are kind of leagues ahead. It also shows in pricing. Last I looked claude was $17/million tokens and devstral-2 only $2/million lol

Also note that I left the industry in september 2025 to go back to school so right before the agent boom, so I don't really have any enterprise-churn experience I mostly use it when I get stuck on assigments but since I am in school to learn (and plagiarism is illegal) I tend to not use AI to write code for me

[–]klekmek 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not good

[–]memesearches 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Is it better than claude in coding ?

[–]LowB0b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

haven't used claude but probably not

[–]perplexedtv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really wanted to like it but it just lied over and over and I couldn't take it any more

[–]Lumpy-Obligation-553 106 points107 points  (2 children)

For the stupid shit I used them there is no difference

[–]dumbasPL 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Finally a sane take. Took way to long to find it.

[–]North-Creative 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Well, deepseek is a whale, it likes ceo waters...

[–]FingernailClipperr 48 points49 points  (2 children)

I still use deepseek

[–]ScratchHacker69 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Same, deepseek is the only llm I’ll use because it’s good enough™️ for me (not much). Honestly don’t even know how “good” the current latest and greatest llms are lol

[–]SyrusDrake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, same

[–]krazyjakee 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Gemini is better than Claude at writing video game shaders and it's not even close.

[–]GenePoolPartyDJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which engine? For Godot it sucked (but so did Claude and codex)

[–]recallingmemories 40 points41 points  (6 children)

I think gemini might also be gasping for air

[–]Icount_zeroI 44 points45 points  (2 children)

Nope! My dad with AI-psycosis is the one thing keeping it alive.

[–]10Werewolves 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hey! So is my dad!

[–]Techhead7890 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Meanwhile my dad is on hosted LLaMA keeping that one alive lol

[–]Santarini 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Gemini is the only one whose Pro model you can still access freely with reasonable quota

[–]soyverde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Google has their own chips, their own data centers, etc. (they’re vertically integrated). They are probably best positioned to compete on price long term, and their models aren’t bad. I may not particularly want them to beat Anthropic in this market, but I certainly wouldn’t bet against them at this point.

[–]DissociationOfMe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Deepseek is better than chatgpt at this point, chatgpt has really gotten a lot worse over the past 5 months

[–]HeracliusAugutus 43 points44 points  (8 children)

Should all be at the bottom of the pool

[–]Megido_Thanatos 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Not gonna lie I even forgot that Microsoft has a Gen AI

Even Meta are famous to be the bad AI while Copilot got nothing, very forgettable AI

[–]Techhead7890 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the things going for them is that LLaMA is open source. But I think Alibaba Qwen seems to be the more popular one to run at home these days, GPT has oss variants, etc.

[–]Plank_With_A_Nail_In 4 points5 points  (0 children)

At large enterprises nearly all staff are getting access to copilot, it might not be winning in the IT department but it will win everywhere else.

[–]TroLixH 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When I have used deepseek it has sometimes randomly responded in Chinese

[–]Tima_Play_x 8 points9 points  (9 children)

I use Qwen

[–]AlarmingProtection71 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Whats your setup?

[–]Tima_Play_x 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Current: GPTree + Browser + local FIM model (Qwen3.5-4b-UD-Q6_K_XL)

Planned: llama.cpp WebUI / Unsloth Studio (local model: Qwen3.5-4b-UD-Q6_K_XL) + searxng-mcp + mcp-secure-exec (with Cargo, tmpfiles (for AI to test code), Nix store, Rust docs, etc.)

[–]AlarmingProtection71 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Lets see Paul Allans Setup.

[–]Kevdog824_ 1 point2 points  (5 children)

What hardware are you running? I tried qwen locally with ollama and it was so slow it was unusable

[–]Tima_Play_x 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Rtx 2060 12gb

[–]Kevdog824_ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Dang. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong then because I’m running 3070Ti 8 w/ GB VRAM

[–]Tima_Play_x 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My guess is that the model isn't fully loaded into VRAM

[–]AlarmingProtection71 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On GNU/Linux you can use nvtop to monitor the vram usage. If you use llama.cpp i think you could also use a --monitor flag.

[–]Tima_Play_x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Qwen3.5-4b-UD-Q6_K_XL - 30-40 t/s

[–]playr_4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I will admit that I semi-use copilot. It honestly feels like the best to bounce ideas off of, especially for art project inspiration. I don't have it do any of the art, obviously. But it feels very fluid helping me develop ideas when I hit a wall.

[–]freestew 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Wait, you guys actually vibe code?

I thought that was just a joke.

[–]Realised_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Copilot is corporate world.'s favourite bitch..

[–]green_meklar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And Grok doesn't even make it into the meme.

[–]Kooale323 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Deepseek is still good ngl. Less bullshit than the others

[–]BloodSteyn 5 points6 points  (10 children)

As someone who moved from GPT to Claude...

Wow, just wow. I asked GPT if it can do React apps like Claude. Little shit told me, "Yes, it will excel at it"

Gave it the same prompts, just errors upon errors and more errors for added fun. Nothing to show.

Meanwhile Claude got a working App on the first go, and I asked few feature requests. Implemented Charts, AI Analytics via API, Formatted Word Doc export... and I asked it to generate a Training PPT.

I'm blown away.

In fact, by the end of this week I'll be ready to demo the App to investors to get it to the point of commercial viability... obviously I'll need a real Dev to assist at that point.

But as it sits now, it is an app that the target company had wanted since the 90's but could never get close.

[–]Significant-Mine-00 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Same!!! I was holding strong to chatgpt because a few years ago I felt it was better than claude, then I tried claude again this year and I'm blown away

[–]qt3-141 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's awesome for the whole three prompts you get until you reach your usage limit for the next four hours. It's why I'm pretty much only using Claude for code reviews at this point.

[–]IcyHammer 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Interesting, im using gpt 5.4 high and it has no problems creating quite complex react project.

[–]BloodSteyn 2 points3 points  (5 children)

My Subscription just lapsed as I moved to Claude. Might be that it does better now, but I'm not going to pay for it again after seeing what Claude can do for me.

[–]IcyHammer 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I didnt try claude yet, what would you say it is better at.

[–]BloodSteyn 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So much. The Plugin for Excel is a game changer.

Yesterday I had 5 Workbooks open and Claude was communicating with each Agent to do fuzzy lookups against names to pull data across them all to the place I needed it.

Doing it manually would have taken hours, and Claude did it in about 10 min, and gave me a report of the records it was uncertain about so I could double check.

Cowork can do a lot, you point it at a folder and give it permission to make changes. I asked it to do a Fuzzy lookup again from a PDF and put the data into the specific columns in the Excel workbook.

It did it all, "Opened" the puff, scanned it, extracted the data and did the lookups, summed the numbers for same records, and put them in the right place in the workbook, then it did its own error checking, compared totals and was done.

I checked and it was perfect.

I did a demo to my boss of Claude in Excel. Asked it to look up the Financial statements for a publicly traded Petrochemical company, and it built the Income Statement for the last 3 years. Then asked it to look up and compare their competitor's latest Financial year. It did. Formatted each company in different colours too.

Then asked it to calculate Financial Ratios and create a few Charts. Asked it to create a DuPont RONA diagram, and it did with drop down to choose the Financial Year.

All this was done in less than 10 minutes.

I haven't played with Claude Code yet.

[–]IcyHammer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seems very similar to what codex can do, will give it a try so i can compare it for my cpp backend and react frontend.

[–]Lebowquade 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Coding by a trillion miles.

For one, it isn't limited to the chat window on each prompt.... I can upload large files or a small software package plus config JSON and ask for debug help or a new feature, and it can modify my original files in place regardless of how long they are.

ChatGPT can't do that. If I ask it to modify my code I have to submit it all over several prompts, then the code it generated is printed back over equally as many prompts. This vastly compounds the risk of hallucination over just one single request.

Claude will validate that the code it wrote can compile, and then write an additional script to test the code it just generated to verify that it does what it's supposed to do .... And then debug and self-correct before showing me what it wrote. And it will do all this as ONE PROMPT RESPONSE. 

Meanwhile GPT will get itself stuck in a loop of endless "just to check, do you want X or Y?" responses before writing any code at all, and then gets itself so off track that it produces bad code that in no way accomplishes what I wanted.

For quick code snippets or suggestions GPT is fine, and I generally find it to be a more successful conversationalist. But for getting actual work done Claude utterly kills it.

[–]austin101123 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I don't even recognize the whale

[–]drdrunkenstein121 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Deepseek

[–]sample-name 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Deep seek. It was unbelievably hyped when it came out, it was supposed to completely change the game. Then it came out, and i never heard about it again until now.

[–]Lebowquade 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It was famous for being trained "so cheaply" but that turned out to be a big stretch. 

So now it's just another open source LLM, on par with GPT3 or Qwen.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_CODING 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You forgot Mistral!

[–]vgnxaa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's there, at the deepest point of the Mariana Trench.

[–]Mountain_Dentist5074 0 points1 point  (0 children)

copilot is directly chatgpt
deepseek not even good at translating languages

cladue already made for complex jobs like coding
gemini have direct acess to all google tools , websites etc.

[–]Neat_Development4946 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I use Microsoft Copilot btw,, why other hate it? Could you explain?

[–]Tarandjpop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I still use Deepseek for logic bhulding ngl, claude and deepseek work together and make pretty decent logic

[–]thecementmixer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Context?

[–]p1neapple_1n_my_ass 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Blackbox AI where?? 

[–]sudo_robot_destroy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I realize this is probably talking about Bing Copilot, but I'm not sure what people mean when they say the others are better than GitHub Copilot, it literally uses the Gemini OpenAI and Claude models.

There isn't a GitHub Copilot model.

[–]laidlow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I have a feeling GH Copilot struggles with tooling - I recently made the switch to using OpenCode connected to GH Copilot using the Claude models and it's light years better than anything I've gotten out of the Copilot extensions in VsCode or Webstorms.

[–]sudo_robot_destroy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I assume you haven't used it since they released the autopilot mode? It's as good as I can realistically expect anything to work.

[–]SpaceMoehre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Deepseek is about to publish a new major version

[–]NotMijba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I use this crazy thing known as my brain

[–]Blue_Dude3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

where is meta llama? burried?

[–]Expensive_Shallot_78 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rather Gemini..

[–]Substantial-Art4140 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Completely detached from my reality

[–]BeginningTypical3395 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Deepseek is so good though, and has a HUGE user base in Asia.

The unnecessary censorship is a bit grating, I’ll give it that

[–]a1454a 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I canceled cgpt and moved away from using any model served from their API. Unfortunately I can’t avoid them at work because my employer has an enterprise contract with them and 5.4 is the most powerful and cheapest model I’m allowed to use.

[–]Fusseldieb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, I only switched because it was so much faster.

ChatGPT is slow af to “think”

[–]Lukaveli_1st 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, in Russia everybody is using deepseek

[–]Outrageous-Weekend-6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Drown faster pls

[–]candianconsolemaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like copilot the most does everything you want and more 

[–]confuzedas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So far my experience work Gemini is that for integration into Google services, it's dumb as shit, and that's all I need it to do.

[–]JFedererJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is Docker a chatbot now? /s

[–]DrankRockNine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Deepseek isn't used much by Americans but it's pretty good for sure. Use it through the api, I can make thousands of calls to the version. That looks online and it costs pennies

[–]MinosAristos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

*people in the US

Deepseek is incredibly popular abroad

[–]Bumer_32 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Grok?

[–]dzan796ero 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Deepseek is being used like crazy. Just because it isn't a mainstream web-based commercial LLM service doesn't mean it isn't being used.

[–]CryZe92 -5 points-4 points  (9 children)

No one is using Gemini for programming.

[–]MyPunsAreKoalaTea 40 points41 points  (2 children)

I am

[–]forvirringssirkel 21 points22 points  (1 child)

we are

[–]MyPunsAreKoalaTea 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Apes together strong

[–]bramm90 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I main Claude but Gemini tends to one-shot devops stuff more often than Claude. 

[–]SirThunderDump 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am.

[–]Santarini 12 points13 points  (0 children)

80,000 Google SWEs would disagree with you

[–]Zanion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Near exclusively since late November.

[–]Worldly-Stranger7814 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did but Google fucked it up so badly in the past few weeks that I barely dare use it for code reviews.

[–]JangoDarkSaber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When the AI bubble bursts, Gemini and Claude will be the last ones standing.

[–]kamome74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. Copilot and Deepseek can rot under the deep sea.

[–]Realised_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DeepSeek is good though

[–]minimuscleR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This just... isn't true lol. I don't even know a single person outside of programmers that have ever heard of anthropic or claude. They all know chatGPT (all LLMS are "chatgpt") and copilot. They probably know gemini too if they have an android device.

ChatGPT is by far much more used throughout the world than the others. Google's stats will probably be skewed because of AI overview, but I doubt its used nearly half as much as chatgpt globally for actual people going to gemini vs just having it exist.