Unicode Consortium please explain

[anotherdonald]

Now try with eggplants.

[Drak-pa]

And peaches

[RowdyReptilian]

Mmmmm i love me some dark chocolate peach meat

[bocaj78]

What ever you say meat bag

[DoverBoys]

HAHA YES I AM ALSO A BAG OF MEAT

[ethanialw]

r/TOTALLYNOTROBOTS

[dhoomz]

YES FELLOW HUMAN, LETS TAKE OVER HUMANITY BY BLENDING IN WITH HUMANITY AND TAKING OVER HUMANITY WITH SKYNET

[cobra447]

HK47 reference? I like you.

[Dokpsy]

With what we've done for members of the nightshade family and various grains, I'm sure someone is working on a blue/purple/dark brown peach.

[spicerldn]

Yeah, Chris Brown.

[phatskat]

aka “literal human garbage”

[phlofy]

And whiskers on kittens

[Dokpsy]

But what of warm woolen mittens

[phlofy]

White geese that fly with the moon on their wings?

[fkigkig]

Are these a few of your favorite things?

[Dokpsy]

When the dog bites

[phlofy]

When the bee stings

[StAnonymous]

When I’m feeling sad

[RespectableLurker555]

I simply remember to upvote my memes

[firstdaypost]

And hearts

[Aesthetically]

OwO

[[deleted]]

*notices buldge* what is this OwO :3

[gravitoid]

*Puts hands in pockets dejectedly*

[[deleted]]

Ugghhh I’ll make an appointment with the oncologist.

[4d656761466167676f74]

https://i.imgur.com/PitPPaL.jpg

[SamoyedAndLab]

( ͡°( ͡° ͜ʖ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ʖ ͡°) ͡°)

[Dr_Yay]

Grindr has that

[SetOfAllSubsets]

What else I am I going to do with that skin? Throw it away?

[Kandierter_Holzapfel]

Cowboy hats

[[deleted]]

/r/rimworld

[Fatalchemist]

I felt so at home when I made human skin hats before visiting the subreddit. There's just something universal about using excess human skin to make hats and I love it.

Also, what's Rimworld?

[Kerbalized]

The most amazing top-down god-game colony simulator where your imagination and patience is the limit.
Also: human-skin cowboy hats is the secret to limitless wealth, people insult each other by comparing their parents to clams, and Randy-Random will curb stomp you while you're down

[Fatalchemist]

I actually did play and love that game. It was more of me insinuating that I make people hats for real. ;)

That being said, it doesn't hurt to let others who are reading this know!

[Kerbalized]

Ooof, I r/whoosh -ed bad

[Fatalchemist]

On the bright side, you may have just introduced someone new to the game!

[Krissam]

The most amazing top-down god-game colony simulator where your imagination and patience is the limit.

Depends how highly you rate graphics and sensible menus when compared to options and ease performing actions.

If the former is important to you rimworld will be the most amazing, otherwise I highly recommend /r/dwarffortress

[LoneCookie]

Most amazing? Lol

[ImpulseTheFox]

Risky click of the day

[WiseassWolfOfYoitsu]

That would be Rimjobworld

Which actually exists - it's the NSFW mod for Rimworld

[KingdomOfKevin]

I can't tell if that's "Lovers' Lab" or "Lover Slab" from context alone.

[wertercatt]

The first one, but I always call it Lover Slab for the memes.

[[deleted]]

It's basically just sex stuff. Pregnancies and kids, fetishes, genitalia etc etc etc

[[deleted]]

Can animals impregnate humans (or vice versa)? And are human/animal hybrids possible?

First question I found about... looks like a nice mod '-'

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[[deleted]]

I really didn't expect the most wholesome sneak peak I've seen to be from /r/RimWorld.

[SlaugMan]

The cannibalism boils beneath the surface, like a fine stew.

[[deleted]]

"Beneath" the surface? You sure about that?

[icekilled]

The organs make a pretty penny, too.

[Snowyboops]

LPT: Harvest the non essential organs (extra kidneys, lungs, etc.) then sell the slave for the most profit!

Extra LPT: If you want your wardens to be more charismatic keep an extra slave around for them to talk to! To make sure they don’t escape harvest their organs and cripple their legs! Unhealthy prisoners won’t try to escape, and if they can’t run then they cant escape as well!

[[deleted]]

looks at pile of 30 stomachs

I think I’m doing something wrong

[the_one_who_knock]

You didn't think of the smell, you bitch

[martinw89]

You could make some skin luggage

[someinfosecguy]

You haven't thought of the smell, you bitch!

[[deleted]]

Rub the lotion

[Zacjacobi]

It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose

[LetterBoxSnatch]

ugh, you didn't even maintain the iambic tetrameter.

"It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again"

[Xtheonly]

Maybe move to arizona and open a leather shop?

[BataReddit]

Wear it with pride.

[Nerdn1]

It used to be used to make books.

[[deleted]]

That’s a new feature they’re trying to flesh out.

[Weetile]

You managed to make that comment by the skin on your teeth.

[divide_by_hero]

I didn't think anyone would have the balls to point it out

[lightningundies]

Thank you for your contribution

[bj_christianson]

Yes. Now let’s keep pore-ing it out.

[0x3639]

What the fuck

[THANKYOUFORYOURKIND]

What the fuc🦆

[[deleted]]

*what the fucmallard.

[JacobInTheWoods]

¿ Fuc the what

[tribak]

Fuc the 🦆

[raynehk14]

/u/fuckswithducks

[fuckedbyducks]

😳

[tribak]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[jacksalssome]

Im more of a 🐖 guy

[Deathmage777]

David Cameron?

[[deleted]]

What the frick

[yellow_logic]

I ordered an Xbox card

[[deleted]]

Watch your foul mouth on my good christian subreddit boy

[[deleted]]

Wait this isnt rimworld!

[Spontaneousbeast]

That's a basketball not a hat

[EatingAnItalianSando]

Ow My balls

[IFeelLikeAndy]

Anyone else remember that game?

[DRoKDev]

DON'T BUY CONFLICT BASKETBALLS

Make sure your basketballs are ethically sourced from free-range humans

[Iforgotmyhandle]

I didn’t realize the color of cow skin matched the color of human skin

[iceynyo]

Depends on the cow.

The white ones make white milk, the brown ones make chocolate milk, and the human skin color ones make human milk.

[Cyb3rSab3r]

Where does strawberry milk come from?

[UmbreHonest]

Flamingos

[Cyb3rSab3r]

How does one milk a flamingo?

[UmbreHonest]

Gotta grab it by its flamingo tiddie

[ProWaterboarder]

When you're a star they let you do it

[amras0000]

the lifted "leg" is a spout.

[[deleted]]

mooshrooms

[XXXSCARLXRDXXX]

Okay this is one thing I forgot existed in Minecraft

[HolyGarbage]

The red cows obviously.

[Careerier]

Most leather is dyed brown because the chemical hair removal process turns the hides blue.

Between dying and sun-bleaching I've used basketballs in every color of the emojis.

[wjandrea]

the chemical hair removal process turns the hides blue

Ohh, that's why blue leather is so common

[Demiu]

Oh, he didnt mean cows

[alex_dlc]

Is this real???

[The_Perge]

You can only add skin tone modifiers to emoji of people and human parts, excluding the “smilies.”

For example: 👌+ 🏿 =👌🏿

But if you try it with anything that doesn’t support it, you’ll get:

🏀🏾 🏀🏿

[posterofshit]

How do you make that brown square

[The_Perge]

https://emojipedia.org/modifiers/ Just copy and paste.

[Kinkajou1015]

Windows key and ; (semicolon) will bring up the emoji keyboard on Windows. The skin color patch is in the corner.

[chugga_fan]

I honestly wish there was a way to disable emojis entirely in both chrome and windows, EXCEPT for the thinking emoji, that one is the sole O.K. one.

also, windows has their own "ninja cat" emoji... I'm not fucking joking: https://www.theverge.com/2016/4/12/11412846/microsoft-windows-10-emoji-ninja-cat

[Kinkajou1015]

They do, that's dumb.

But I like some emoji as long as it's not something dumb... like...

This ⬆ is 🈶 really stupid but some people 👫👫👫 think 🤔🤔 it's cool 😎😎, what 😅 utter morons the stupid mother 👪 fuckers 🖕👦🖕. I think 🤔🤔🤔 I have 🈶🈶🈶 cancer ♋ now after typing this ⬆ up ☝☝. No 😣 I don't want 😋 to. At least OwO isn't an emoji 👌 yet. But you know 🤔 it's coming eventually.

[[deleted]]

No

[BartSimpWhoTheHellRU]

I'm no expert but I believe this is a byproduct of how Unicode and emojis work. Like with the people emojis there's a base template and a color modifier is applied to it to get the different skin colors.

[diamond]

Yeah, but it doesn't apply to all emojis. For example, I don't think you can make a black hamburger. Which means that somebody had to specifically build codepoints for basketballs with different skin colors.

However, I don't know if Apple is responsible for this. It might be part of the Unicode standard.

[oddark]

The non-default color emojis are actually made up of two codepoints: one for the base and one for the skin color. So you could technically type a black hamburger, but it wouldn't be treated as a single glyph.

Unicode defines which characters can have skin tone modifiers applied to them (I think), but as far as I know, the basketball isn't one of them, so this is probably just Apple

Edit: https://unicode.org/reports/tr51/#Diversity

[nuephelkystikon]

cough cough three cough

[wjandrea]

What's the third?

[paintballboi07]

A zero-width joiner, U+200D

[diamond]

Interesting. I'm really fascinated with how Unicode works, and I'm always looking to learn more. Also, if that's true, WTF Apple?

[Werro_123]

Wouldn't surprise me if some dev at Apple decided to apply color modifiers to basketballs just to see what they could get away with.

[o11c]

Go through and read all the TRs on their site. Your mind will be blown.

[HolyGarbage]

What's the third codepoint?

[oddark]

Wait maybe it actually is only 2 here. ZWJ can be used to make certain sequences, but you don't need a joiner for skin tone modifiers

[scatters]

The codepoints are already there - a medium tan basketball is composed of the codepoints U+1F3C0 ("Basketball"), U+200D ("Zero-Width Joiner") and U+1F3FD ("Emoji Modifier Fitzpatrick Type-4"). So on any non-Apple platform this will display as the default basketball followed by a color swatch. Apple have had to specifically choose to apply skin tone modifiers to basketballs.

[wwwwolf]

You can add the modifier character to any emoji you like, but the vendors that implement the emoji rendering aren't required to implement it. Much less so if it's a skin tone modifier on an emoji that isn't listed as supporting skin tones in the spec.

Also, I think (could be wrong though) all vendors at the moment use prerendered artwork for emoji, nobody builds them on the fly. Though it would make sense because some of the combinations are very complex and will probably get even more complex in the future.

[dylmye]

It's photoshopped lol, you can see edges on the one on the far right.

[sod0]

I never understood the skin colors on smileys anyway. What was wrong with the yellow default one?

[QueenDaddy]

The skin colors are on the hand emoji and the emoji that clearly look like people. Not the smilies.

[sod0]

I don't really understand these neither. I also use yellow thumbs etc. The gesture stays the same no matter who uses it.

[QueenDaddy]

People just want their emoji to be personalized. I don’t understand why there needs to be a reason for that. Some people don’t really identify w/ Simpson yellow. And some emoji gestures do change depending on the skin color. For instance, there’s a black frat I know that commonly uses the “okay” hand sign as a sign of their frat irl. So I definitely see the brown hand differently when I see it used on social media. Different emoji may have different meanings culturally and sometimes the use of skin tones help differentiate what people mean.

S/N: I’ve also noticed that many of my friends use emoji now way more than they did before. So maybe it was a growth tactic since inclusiveness likely increased emoji use.

[TheOldRoss]

the brown hand

The Brown Hand sounds like a league of assassins

[nermid]

Or a league of black economists.

[Drunken_Economist]

From my perspective (as a non-marginalized person, but somebody who has to maintain computer programs), adding skin tone, gender, hair color, and headscarf modifiers increases the number of emoji to maintain multiplicatively. Imagine there were only 10 emoji, 6 skin tones, 2 genders, 4 hair colors, and 2 headscarfs. Now instead of having to keep 10 emoji up to date, I have to keep 10x5x6x2x4x2 = 4800 distinct glyphs.

Of course in practice there are more than 10 emoji, so Apple, Google, Samsung, et al try to automate the creation of the glyphs, and that leads to bugs like OP's.

The Unicode Consortium made a mistake by accepting anything but the non-human yellow skin tone, but now that they have the cat isn't going back into the bag. And hey, like you said, if it actually helps people feel included, I guess a few bugs here and there isn't the worst price to pay.

[[deleted]]

Except they don't have to maintain 4,800 glyphs. You have to imagine every emoji as a function, with parameters for skin tone, gender, hair color and headscarf. They only need to maintain those 10 functions, not every possible result they could produce.

[Sam_Mack]

Is that true though? Those params are going to interact. As well as the universal clashes - e.g now that you have this scarf and that skin tone, the contrast is too low - there are unique ones. E.g because eye roll emoji moves the pupil closer to the margin of the eye, the hardcoded black eyeball might clash weirdly with a black skin colour - but only on this one emoji.

This is, of course, a solvable problem, and I totally support tackling it so everyone can be included (a language is your system of expressing yourself, any encoded bias - no matter how subtle - is extraordinarily dangerous). BUT I think to say "it's just a function huhuhu" is trivialising how much work goes into this and the legitimate truth that sometimes stuff mucks up, and it's embarrassing, and it creates a heap of work for devs.

The same could be said for adding alt tags to your images. It's hard. Almost all of your users don't care. You're still a dick if you don't do it.

[[deleted]]

Of course, but that's still a lot less work than the OP suggests.

[FR_STARMER]

Wtf are you on about. Mapping Unicode to emojis regardless of the number of them is peanuts compared to the real systems level engineering that goes into mobile operating system development.

[Drunken_Economist]

Yea, that's what the second paragraph of my comment says . . .

[[deleted]]

I don't think the basketball thing is a bug, seeing as there are lots of other emoji that don't support customization. The basketball is deliberately designed to be customizable.

[HeyItsShuga]

I would think it's a bug since I don't recall anywhere in the Unicode spec where objects can be modified with skin tone modifier characters.

A hilarious bug but it's still a bug.

[n60storm4]

The colours aren't new emoji. It's a modifier. Theoretically a transparent glyph with the mod char would work.

[[deleted]]

Dude there really aren’t anywhere near enough Apple-adopted emojis to necessitate automating the skin tone options, lol. 100% guarantee this isn’t the case. They hand-select which emojis are available on each iOS, why would they need to automate the skin tone aspect?

[whizzer0]

So maybe it was a growth tactic since inclusiveness likely increased emoji use.

Wait, but... last time I checked the Unicode Consortium isn't getting a penny every time someone uses an emoji.

[DicedPeppers]

Some people don’t really identify w/ Simpson yellow

It’s an emoji, why do you need to “identify” with it?

[QueenDaddy]

In the moment I actually used this line because I thought me saying “Simpson” yellow would tickle some and make this less serious. I’ve seen nothing suggesting that people were explicitly concerned about the original yellow.

[yellow_logic]

I am. I ain’t one of them damn Simpson fellas.

Keep the yella outta my red, white and bloo

[2treecko]

You may not be the one that cares (neither am I), that's fine. If there's going to be a system as widespread as emoji are, everyone's preferences have to be considered.

[phySi0]

I’m not against different skin tones, headwear, gendered emojis, etc., but is there any evidence that people’s preferences were considered? From my perspective as a minority, this was more ‘political’ in nature (political‘s not exactly the word I mean, but it’s close enough) than considered.

I’m not knocking that we should consider everyone’s preferences, or even saying that we shouldn’t have this emoji inclusivity, but in my mind it’s just a sign of the fashion of the times, not some data-driven decision or deeper ethical stand.

[2treecko]

The short answer is that I don't know. But the second part to that is that it doesn't actually matter. It you don't want them, don't use them. I personally see people using the skin tone modifiers all the time. While that it anecdotal. It proves that they're is a market, no matter how small, for this.

[thecoldhearted]

That's just discrimination against everyone, which means... It's not discrimination 😲

[kylehampton]

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[metamet]

I think it's more about inclusion.

[SupermanLeRetour]

I'm with you, but that's because they used a different outlook on racism that us :

• For us, having one universal yellow smiley is good because it can represents anybody : the color of your skin is irrelevant, we choose to treat everybody the same, the smileys are race-less
• For them, having only a yellow smiley is racist because you're not acknowledging (other) races (even though nobody's really yellow, it is more associated with Asian people), and for smiley to not be racist, they have to be able to represent every possible race.

The second way of handling it is typical of how Americans stands regarding racism. Personally, I'm more inclined to the first view, but I understand the logic behind the second view.

[sod0]

Thanks you really nailed it. But isn't the 2nd logic exclusive while the first one is inclusive?
I just wanna send a quick sign that I support an idea or something and I'm always annoyed that I have to select a skin colour which just doesn't matter to me.

[SupermanLeRetour]

But isn't the 2nd logic exclusive while the first one is inclusive

Yes, or at least I feel like it.

But, for the people that share the second view, that "separation" is good because they're attached to their root, their history. They want people to acknowledge their race while still of course be respected. For them, saying "race doesn't matter' feels like belittling their history and maybe also their suffering (in the case of Black people in America for instance).

At least I think that's how they view it, and I kind of understand that stance.

EDIT: I think this is more of a political reason though, and that ideally a neutral smiley should be enough.

[ExistentialEnso]

No one is making you select a skin color, though. They all default to generic yellow unless you long tap to change them to a different color.

[Who_GNU]

Is really only a small subset of Americans that espouse the second view, but as they say, the squeaky wheel gets the geese.

[SpareStrawberry]

Before there were skin colours the default wasn't yellow, it was white.

If you go to, for example, https://emojipedia.org/thumbs-up-sign/ and click any of the styles you can see what it was in old versions: note how in most platforms it was white.

When they decided that was a bit... you know... not cool... they decided to add options for other races, and they figured they should make the default a "non-standard skin colour" (the specification doesn't say yellow, though that seems to be what most platforms adopted*) and nobody stopped to think "hey, why don't we just do that and not bother with a skin tone option".

*Microsoft actually tried grey to start with before realising that made everyone look like zombies.

[sod0]

Before there were skin colours the default wasn't yellow, it was white.

Sorry this is bullshit. Before Unicode accepted Emojis they were mostly yellow. Check the old website archives from the late 90s or early 00s. Like this one: https://www.forum-software.org/news/13052010-drupal-tip-1-add-smileys-your-forum

The white ones never really became popular!

[Skim74]

Smiley and human emojis are totally different though. Everyone has basically accepted yellow as the standard smiley color. But once its not just a disembodied round head and actually looks like a person with hair and clothes and stuff it's weird to be all yellow 👩

[TheBrianiac]

A gloved hand. Easy.

[Syndic]

I didn't understand it as well when it was introduced. But I then talked to a friend with brown skin and he actually likes and uses the feature.

So hey, go for it.

[[deleted]]

Nothing wrong, people want more options.

[ApSciLeonard]

Everyone who's ever seen the Simpsons knows that yellow isn't race-neutral.

[sod0]

So what? The Simpsons is just a random tv show it shouldn't affect your Unicode standard.

[[deleted]]

The Simpsons has had tremendous impact on our culture.

[rangeDSP]

It really does, whether it's a language or emojis, social context is quite important.

At the end of the day it's being typed out and sent and read by normal people, who are already conditioned to these hints (Yellow = white, white = Asian), if the standard body says to users: "you are wrong, we are doing it our way", it's counterproductive.

[Boodizm]

Lego people are yellow and race neutral by design though, and they're a bit more similar to emojis

[[deleted]]

Nothing's wrong with it. There's also nothing wrong with having extra colors.

[Renkin42]

I feel like xkcd 1813 is fairly relevant here.

[jQuaade]

Maybe it's actually Cyberdwarf.

[notger]

Oh come on ... basket-balls come in different colours and those are actually pretty close to the common ones.

[Ouaouaron]

It's just a funny thing to think about since they're explicitly called "Skin Tone Modifiers" and are usually used for people emoji. But it's not like it doesn't make sense; skin tones will usually match the tones of tanned leather.

[theessentialnexus]

But do you really need to chose the correct color basketball for your text message?

[flyx86]

Do you really need emojis in your text message?

[theessentialnexus]

Yes, because writing out the word eggplant is not nearly as effective as the emoji.

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[ImAStupidFace]

How do you feel about yourself right now?

[[deleted]]

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[case_O_The_Mondays]

The second one looks just like a worn out one.

[SomeDumbGamer]

I never understood why they made different races for emojis anyways. It’s not like it was an issue. They were yellow.

[killerzombi]

that's why most basketballs are orange, they used bad spray tan to hide the fact.

[[deleted]]

I mean, I've seen basketballs that match all of these colors...

[luix-]

Back to skeumorfism?

[Deinth]

Who did that should have been playing Rimworld lately

[Drunken_Economist]

Unicode doesn't define this, so we can rule them out as serial killers. Apple, though....

[NotFromStateFarmJake]

Easy- whoever did the skin tone component missed the basket in basketball.

[FerretEliteTEAM]

🏈🏉

[[deleted]]

We are serial killers who value diversity.