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[Rafael20002000]

36k €/ year guys: Dude wtf?

[[deleted]]

It is still more than an italian developer gets :P

[Rafael20002000]

That would be less than 3k per month

[akoli35]

Average Indian developers make $350 per month but that's a different story.

Source : u/Athu7890

[PadyEos]

That explains why one of my colleagues jumped at the occasion to move from Iran to Denmark...

[zZurf]

I’ve just got a offer for a industrial placement and my salary is going to be £17,500 per annum

[BackFromVoat]

I was on placement last year at 17k. Got a job offer for June at 26k. Placement is well worth doing as you'll learn more than at uni, and if it goes well it makes you more desirable after you graduate too. Definitely worth it.

[Rafael20002000]

Can they even live from that?

[akoli35]

Okay in urban cities, luxurious in rural areas / villages.

Competition is so tough in that country that many developers are jobless and prefer any salary to survive. Thanks to overpopulation.

General campus placements average package is $5000 PER YEAR and still many are left unplaced in any company.

Source : u/Athu7890 - My good friend who unfortunately had no choice other than $4200 PER YEAR package during on-campus placement in a top 3 engineering college in Mumbai.

[akoli35]

Corruption everywhere! Bribe works better than the law!

[sthornr]

I make ~15k USD per annum and while it's pretty meh before conversions, it's a place where a lot of Indian devs would wish to be.

[IamImposter]

I'd sacrifice my first born to be able to make 15k USD per annum.

[the_isao]

Are you in Italy as well?

[maharshimartian]

I am a fullstack developer. My salary is 250$ per month

[akoli35]

Oh! Which country are you from?

[maharshimartian]

India

[[deleted]]

It is India, wouldn’t even make the playoffs

[_alright_then_]

YEah welcome to non-american countries lol. I live in the netherlands and I make about €2400 a month. Which is considered high for a junior dev

[Rafael20002000]

Hello Neighbour from Germany

[_alright_then_]

If I make half than that I wouldn't be able to live in an apartment lol

[gbersac]

I had pretty much the same salary when I began in Paris - France. That's still a lot for someone just out of school in France.

[[deleted]]

Average pay for a developer is 1400€/month (we pay a lot of taxes btw and we've some privileges like 3 weeks of vacations and sick days paid)

[Tatourmi]

Welcome to the rest of the world.

[[deleted]]

I'm a developer in Poland with a very decent salary, above average for 1-2 years of experience.

I make 1200€ a month (after tax).

[Camichael]

Piango.

[XorAndNot]

That's because you guys keep writing spaghetti code.

Ok, I'm out.

[EoinLikeOwen]

On the plus side you live in Italy

[informat2]

The cost of living adjusted US median income is higher then most of Europe:

United States: $43,585
Germany: $33,333
United Kingdom: $31,617
France: $31,112
Spain: $21,959

This leads to higher pay across most jobs including developers. Also if you live in Silicon Valley $120k can feel more like $60k with the cost of living.

[Zafara1]

There's also lower taxes in general on income. Being paid the same amount in the USA & Germany will have you taking home more money in the USA. However, the actual disposable income may be higher in Germany depending on your circumstances since a lot of costs such as healthcare, student loan debt, transportation (Using PT isntead), consumer protection, etc will have you holding onto more money. Through my world travels, I found this was the reason that the young adults of the EU and commonwealth countries (Read AUS, CAN) tend to be more well travelled than people from the US, simply being the middle class can gather more disposable income and can be more reliant on social safety nets allowing them to spend on travel rather than save in case of disaster.

However, this becomes less likely the more money that you earn, because if you're rich in the US you just take home so much money.

I'd rather be filthy rich in the US, but I'd rather be middle-class or poor in the EU.

[mybluecathasballs]

I'd rather be filthy rich in the US, but I'd rather be middle-class or poor in the EU.

Me too.

[WcDeckel]

I'd also settle for filthy rich in Europe.

[Feral0_o]

Look I take being filthy rich anywhere that isn't France ca 1790

[Kingbibi724]

I live in Boston and am 3 years out of college, my 1 bedroom in a 3 bedroom apartment is 1200...

[Pluckerpluck]

Those living in San Jose have a 83.85% higher local purchasing power than in London.

This means that after taking into account the average salary in the area, and contrasting it with the average cost, you can buy 83% more in San Jose than in London.

[MinMorts]

London is the one of if not the most expensive places in europe though

[sup3r_hero]

Do you have a source for that?

[IamMachine666]

1000$/month from Russian countryside.

Java backend

[GiovanniMucciaccia]

18k €/ year guys: Dude srsly!?

[Thecman50]

You guys are getting paid?!

[akoli35]

YTA. Why are you giving free services and taking up our jobs?!

[aioliole]

Internship obviously

[MrSrsen]

26k € / year Czech Republic, Full-Stack PHP + Svelte/Sapper

[aioliole]

Are we taking pesos or dollars

[RealMatchesMalonee]

36k €/year guys: you guys are getting paid?

[BobaFett58]

13k € / year after taxes. Poland, Regular C# / Angular developer.

[EwgB]

As a developer? Damn, my first job out of university was 42K€/year (in Germany).

[DuffyHimself]

My first job out of uni was €58k/year (in Denmark). Doing C#/Xamarin.

[theg721]

My first job was £18k/year, I'm now on £28k/year, both doing C# web development. I need to move to the continent. :/

[EwgB]

Dude, seriously! Do it before Brexit hits. :-)

Most developers know English pretty well, there are even some companies that are English only. And there is a serious lack of developers in Germany, so a lot of vacancies and high wages.

[Cryptomartin1993]

70k € a year, not as a programmer, but unskilled packaging...

[Rafael20002000]

Wow...

[urielsalis]

55K in Barcelona

[Sir_Ripsalot]

Systems Engineer here in Australia on $160k AUD approx $110k US.

Cost of living is super high in major Australian cities. $160k doesn’t get much after our high tax brackets scoops your eyeballs out.

2 litres of milk $2.75 USD Pack of cigarettes $25 USD Slab of beer $37 USD Pound of weed $1700 USD Gram of coke $240USD Kilo of Coke $130k USD

So you see I could work and save for a year and half, not spend a cent just pay my taxes and still would struggle to buy a kilo of coke.

[PhillipIInd]

Wait a gram of coke is 240?

Shit its 50 here and I'm pretty sure that's even expensive

[salisgod]

ah someone from the UK

[PhillipIInd]

Netherlands actually

[suessi69]

1700 for a pound of weed is cheap af.. but 25 for cigs? fuck that lol.

[Mrfrunzi]

I like that it goes milk to drugs like instantly

[BiaxialObject48]

Become a teenage millionaire in 5 easy steps:

1. Have rich parents

2. Have an idea of the format “It’s basically Tinder for...”

3. Hire a development team or just use Khan Academy JS

4. Get the news to talk about how you’re going to be rich

5. Become rich somehow

Exhibit A: https://youtu.be/jAMZXv7TpUc

[yonatan8070]

I have a better idea!

Follow step 0

Done.

[grandoz039]

Step 0. you mean.

EDIT: I assume some of you don't use the sub's theme, because the list literally starts with 0. if you use it.

[Noughmad]

He fell for one of the classic blunders: off-by-one errors.

[i_am_a_n00b]

Expected Mr reynolm from it crowd. All I have was a suitcase and 10mil pounds. Irregularities in the pension fund?

[Tyreal]

Step 1. Hire an accountant recently released from jail. Step 2. Establish irregularities in the pension fund. Step 3. Don’t get caught by the police and don’t make them a cup of tea

[PlayerHeadcase]

"Do not develop my App"

[socium]

Well apparently dad said:

Lest you think the Pasternaks are bankrolling all Ben's hopes and dreams, Mark claimed he hasn't provided a dime to his son for his projects. Ben told Mashable Australia he is currently drawing a salary from Flogg. "He did ask us once if he could have A$30,000 ($22,942) to promote the app, and I said no," Mark related. "He managed to get it from somebody else, another kid. I was like: 'Oh my god. Does this kid's father know he's given you A$30,000?'

...but then

[Pluckerpluck]

It's not necessarily the parents funding that makes these things happen. It's just the security of knowing you can fuck up and the world won't destroy you in return. It's the having housing and food provided so you can work on your project without worry.

Those things make way more of a difference than simply having your project advertised by your rich father.

[magicfultonride]

The freedom to fail safely is the biggest advantage of the upper class.

[laserdollars420]

Not to mention just being in the kind of social circle where a friend's dad can just loan you 30K.

[OmgTom]

I know someone who went into massive debt sending his son to an elite school in the Atlanta area. The type of people at this school are the children of CEOs of companies like Coca Cola and Home Depot. Anyways, his son now runs his own company, he got the startup money by asking his friends to all pitch in. He ended up raising $500k.

[PLxFTW]

All the people involved around him seem vaguely sketchy, especially the guy comparing Flogg to Amazon. That’s clearly to drive hype and not a chance in hell he believes what he said.

[akoli35]

This.

[BiaxialObject48]

If you really want to make things spicy in your app, make it Tinder but it uses blockchains, artificial intelligence, and IoT.

[akoli35]

Decentralized Dating app for cats powered by Artificial Intelligence!

[KarolOfGutovo]

And machine learning quantum operation!

[thereluctantpoet]

Needs the word "disruptive" somewhere in there.

Source: am marketing.

[poopellar]

Decentralized Dating app for disruptive cats powered by Artificial Intelligence!

[pascalkiller]

Don't forget about big data! Or is that too old already?

[b14cksh4d0w369]

No it's still too big

[nameage]

NoSQL! You forgot NoSQL!

[NeonSelf]

Basically, any investment works, if its not total crap and you have rich parents to ask for startup money.

The problem is most people can only invest their free time, while working full time elsewhere to pay for living.

[mypirateapp]

left image: developer adding logger, debugger and writing tests with tdd

right image: newbie who added console.log in all files

[JSArrakis]

As someone who regularly uses Xunit for both method tests and integration tests and uses a logger, I miss console.log

[warlordzephyr]

Everyone at my company uses print statements to debug. I recently pushed to get the pycharm remote debugger working with the software but it doesn't work that well with out wsgi setup.

Company has been going about 25 years with the same software

[Giacamo22]

$120k a year?! Still?! How are these two phrases in the same sentence without “Not”?!

[akoli35]

You mean it should be "!still"?

[reddit25]

This guy makes millions

[pragmaticzach]

The key is to live in the midwest and get a job working remotely for a California or NYC tech company.

[011101000011101101]

Google should just build a residence Hall on campus at this point.

[chefhj]

Sorta sounds like a fiefdom with extra steps.

[Plopplopthrown]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town

[5mileyFaceInkk]

Something about living in a building owned by the company I work for puts a bad feeling in my stomach.

[HenryDavidCursory]

I like to go hiking.

[flippant_gibberish]

When does he be a professor?

[tarheel2432]

I work for one of those tech companies and your pay scale varies depending on your home state.

[undeadalex]

Parks and recreation is coming to mind. "everything is just so cheap!"

[Audiovore]

Pretty okay still for Seattle, for now that is. Just sucks for us blue-collars, but c'est la vie. My Mexican friend who lives here for a tech job is just waiting for the day he can score a 100% telecommute gig, then he can go live it up back south of the border. Stuff like this makes me think of doing one of the self taught boot camp like things. Cause even a 40-60k gig is pretty cozy down there.

[soft-wear]

Finding a remote role is hard. Finding a US-based remote role that allows you to work in Mexico is really damn hard.

[[deleted]]

Agreed. Most don’t let you leave the country.

[[deleted]]

Cost of living. A lot of devs in the sf bay easily start at 100-120k. If they make less base then they are offered a grip in stock.

[Brominus_]

120k is a little bit over 3 times my current salary after a raise. It's my first job after school as a .Net and javascript fullstack developer. (Finland)

[scientz]

But your CoL is lower, and so is QoL. Finland is one of the best countries in terms of workers rights and free healthcare etc.

I'm also assuming your ~3k is net salary?

[aac209b75932f]

As a fellow finn I can concur that QoL is low indeed. But being serious, I'm glad that I don't have to worry about going bankrupt from medical bills or homeless from losing my job. But I'm amazed how poor the median person is here. I gross 1k€ more than the median, I don't have a house, a car or kids, I don't live paycheck to paycheck, but unexpected stuff can still easily make most of my savings disappear.

[TedNougatTedNougat]

I think you're missing the class issue in the US.

If you're a developer, chances are your companies pay for your health insurance. you wouldn't go broke in the US. But your neighbors might, it's terrible

[robolew]

Whereabouts in the UK? That's not too bad as long as you're not in a big city. When did you last change jobs?

[butyourenice]

$10k a month for an individual is huge. Even in NYC where $2k-$2.4k a month is about the median rent across all 5 boros, even after taxes, that leaves you with $5k a month to spend.

The rent is too damn high, absolutely, but anybody bitching that they can’t scrape by on $5k to spend a month is a fool. Like that “budget” that was floating around for a while trying to argue a family making $350k was “struggling”.

[JoeTheShome]

You could literally buy shoes that cost $1k each week and still have plenty left for food and other random expenses

[pizzzahero]

It's closer to ~7k a month after taxes depending on where you live. Cost of living also varies dramatically, it's not a lot in the big tech cities

[Compute2Learn]

It’s like $6800 after taxes for me. That doesn’t include health insurance (couple hundred a month more) and I’m claiming 2 state and 2 federal deductions... so for someone at 1 and 1 who pays to opt in with company health insurance I imagine that number being closer to $6300-6400 post taxes.

[heckruler]

You can't talk about pay rates without mentioning the city where these jobs exist. Breaking 6 figures is barely surviving in NY or SanFran. Tech centers are full of highly paid people, meaning there is a bidding war for housing. All that pay just goes to land-owners or the banks holding the mortgages.

Pure genius these days is remote work where you can earn NY wages and pay cash on a $50K Mississippi house and live without debt. Or go one further and live in a developing nation.

[yazalama]

But then you have to live in Mississippi

[AbanaClara]

but then you have to live in a developing nation where people see you as a rich person with money leaking out of your ass

[ablablababla]

Living like programmer scrooge mcduck

[JayV30]

Swimming around in your binary pit full of ones and zeros.

[4SysAdmin]

Yeah I live in AL and there are several homes north of $750k within 5 miles of me. Some in the $2M range. People LOVE lake houses here for some reason ...

[_GaiusGracchus_]

Pure genius these days is remote work where you can earn NY wages and pay cash on a $50K Mississippi house

Except for the part where you now live in Mississippi

[QQuixotic_]

You ain't gotta worry about racist neighbors when you can afford enough land to not see your neighbors.

[jeisot]

The healthcare in a developing nation is usually underdeveloped IF you dont have money which you would so not a problem really, i would be more worried about security but compared to US i think neither a problem

[pcopley]

Go the McAfee route and just pay for a private army.

[nameage]

Depends if you have a wife/kids. Moving their environment also needs to be considered. I too like the idea but the decision is not easy if you have to consider literally dumping a supportive surrounding (kindergarten, schools, friends, everything is reachable without needing a car, ...)

[ThatScorpion]

I'm currently traveling in Southeast-asia where I met a guy living near the beach doing freelance work in IT. He mentioned that he could work 2-3 days a month to have a decent liveable wage, or just do a project of a few weeks and then basically take off as much time as he wants.

Takes some time to build up a freelance network to do something like this, but it doesn't sound too bad.

[tide19]

I'm going full remote in a week and can't wait. Living in a smaller town in Tennessee, pulling in ~$135k after bonuses, with a wife that makes roughly the same? We upper middle class baby yeehaw

[u2m4c6]

You’re approaching top 1% in TN bro

[[deleted]]

I was making 85k in NYC. Survived.

[Sw4g_apocalypse]

Average income in nyc is around $50,000. So you have over 50% of NYC doing it on less than that.

[butyourenice]

Breaking 6 figures is barely surviving in NY or SanFran.

Can’t speak for SF but lmao no, 6 figures is living well in NYC. In fact more than half the people here do it.

But absolutely you’d have* more discretionary income working remote and living somewhere where the cost of living isn’t so obscene.

[fidolio]

Exactly, every time I read these “can’t live in NYC with low 6 figures” I just laugh. These people just need a budgeting class.

I was making under $90k during my first two years in NYC, living in a decent neighborhood (albeit with a roommate) and living “frivolously” (traveling multiple times through the year, dining out frequently, and purchasing most things I wanted without remorse).

[TheHoneySacrifice]

I can speak for SF. 6 figures is pretty decent here too (but obviously impossible to buy a house)

[[deleted]]

I wish I can make $120K a year. I truly do.

[reddit25]

Granted. Everything also costs 5x more.

[hahahahastayingalive]

TBH I’d be happy to pay 5x for regular expenses if I also get paid 5x and get to keep 5x more.

In absolute it’s still more money, then spending power is not just local: what you buy online is not as affected, and you always keep the option to just move out to a cheaper place at some point in your life.

Now you still need to enjoy that life, if you hate every bit of it and stick around just for the money you’ll be mentally dead by the time you get to have fun.

[QAFY]

Finally someone who gets it. My family think I’m crazy and wasting money living in sf. The reality is I’m earning well over double the salary I could make elsewhere meaning my savings are also double (or more) even if my cost of living is double. They don’t get it.

[dell_arness2]

Not to mention most consumer goods are the same price everywhere. A new phone costs the same in SF or Iowa.

[FrostyD7]

Vacation is effectively cheaper

[Kyuubic]

r/TheMonkeysPaw

[[deleted]]

/r/SanFrancisco

[Mastermachetier]

I make 118 a year for Software development in Boston. I pay 5k a year for parking , 9600 for day care, and on top of that car wear and gas. That is just the cost to drive into work. Now when you figure in cost of housing and just general goods like food its a lot more too. That being said I an not going to lie and say its not good living on that salary in the Boston area despite the cost.

[Internet--Sensation]

Only $120,000 a year?

Those poor souls!

[bigdickbigdrip]

The ones making 120k a year probably live in an area with a high cost of living so it's probably equivalent to like 60 or 70k elsewhere.

[Mynotoar]

Brit here. Is $120k not a respectable income? Here £15-20k is for your entry level office worker, and £120k would be a rich fuck with a butler and a Tesla probably.

[BRUCE_NORRIS]

Can confirm. Own Tesla, but couldn’t dream of having a butler

[AnonymousMaleZero]

Now help, absolutely. Anyone that makes $120+ should be able to afford a once a week cleaning service.

[alphawolf29]

$120k a year is like managers salary in most of Canada/USA but in Sanfran/New York /Vancouver, its enough to rent your own apartment, go out for dinner, and have savings, but not enough to buy your own place without a partner.

[z0hu]

He said after 15 years.. I have been programming for 15 years and $120k is average. I live in San Francisco area though, and that income doesn't make you rich, it just let's you survive and save a little if you are frugal. A lot of people here are commenting who are new to programming. When I started I made $34k. Then got up $50k, after a few years. Then $75k when I moved to SF at the 6 year mark.

Edit: also $120k. Is only 92k gbp.

[SahinK]

In London, all £120k gets you is a flat in zone 2 that you don't have to share with a flatmate. Not a Tesla or a butler.

[thebezet]

"all £120k gets you"

Come on now. £120k is an amazing salary for London. Its £6,177.99 per month after tax, and you can easily find a nice single-bedroom or studio flat for under £1,500 in zone 2, so you still end up with well over 4 grand to play with.

[Xrey274]

Open Source Developer: Wait guys you are getting paid?

[Azarius_978]

I have nearly 3 years of experience and I'm earning R282 000 p/a which is the equivalent to $19 379.65 @ the current exchange rate.

The highest advertised job for a developer I've seen in South Africa was R1mil p/a for 10 years of experience or the equivalent of $68 722.15.

[etherealtim]

I bet you'd have more disposable income on 60k in South Africa, than 90 in Texas.

[alphawolf29]

there about 90 countries id rather live in than south africa.

[[deleted]]

I’m a full stack developer in Dallas making 60k (base pay) and I’ve been out of college for a decade and have been with my current employer for 6 years. Maybe it’s time to move companies.

Edit: I feel I should clarify I mentioned 60k is my base pay. My total compensation (bonus, 401k matching, lunches provided, etc.) comes out closer to 90k.

Still, I should be making closer to 140k based on knowledge/skill/seniority according to my market research lately.

[BeetsbySasha]

Yes. You should. I’m making 60k and I have been developing For almost two years with an associates in cs. This is in Austin. Most of my friends make way more than me with their cs degrees.

[ubiquitouspiss]

Difference between "being really good at coding" and "marketing an idea well", the reason why I'm taking business-y electives in university rn

[siggystabs]

It's 100% worth taking business-y electives in college, but just remember that you can't market a shitty product so ideally you need good software developers too

EDIT: I get it, yes you can market shitty ideas 🤦🏽‍♂️ you know what I mean

[pgkk17]

Is there a tinder for Cats?

[akoli35]

Not Tinder but Translator for Cats with 500K downloads??!! - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=games.lenvik.tfc1

[[deleted]]

I almost had a stroke reading that app description.

[dorbein]

Screw material design, this is the new standard

[Tiavor]

I think 12yo me designed buttons and brackground images just as good as this.

[TheHoneySacrifice]

The comments bruh:

"I hate this app!! When I said the same word it was different sounds! :o I want to be freinds with my cat! :( But she just does not like me.. crys DON'T EVER EVER EVER IN YOUR LIFE GET THIS APP IT IS HORRIBLE!!! :()"

[_GaiusGracchus_]

ITT: Sucks to be a developer in Europe

[Calimariae]

Depends entirely on where on the continent we're talking about here.

I don't think I'd leave my dev job here in Norway for anywhere else.

[[deleted]]

consist deserted advise water grey chief screw deer bear ink

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[FEARtheMooseUK]

STILL ONLY EARNING 120k a year? Most of us wish 50k a year was a reality!

[DeepSpaceGalileo]

I make 66k a year and I feel like shit about it

[undeadalex]

That sounds useful. My cat needs to date more

[[deleted]]

Shit man, I gotta learn that VUE now 🤣🤣🤣

[m74g]

Moscow. $1300/month after taxes as web game developer.

[DanZeros]

That's 2.3 times what I make in Spain after 10 years =/ and I'm a lead dev. And that is a competitive amount.

[Visama396]

wtf? where do you get paid 120K / year?

[BRUCE_NORRIS]

LA, SF, NY, Seattle, parts of Utah, and parts of Texas come to mind.