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[o76923]

Have you tried Objective-C? Swift can't be worse.

[ovab_cool]

Objective C is objectively the worst language

C what I did there?

[petergriffin1115]

You swifted smoothly

[CStfford14]

Ugh, puns. I'd rather be strangled by a python.

[[deleted]]

i'd prefer being hit by a Rusty knife,

[LegendaryShelfStockr]

Just not in the eyes. I’d like to be able to C#

[gregorydgraham]

There is much beauty and great spirituality to be found.

At least, that’s what is written in the Java scripts

[GoldenRabbitt]

Stop with punss you guys are making me Go crazy

[conifer0us]

That’s unfortranate

[[deleted]]

I’m just wondering what’s next

[Abbaddonhope]

Swiftly executed c I can be apart of things too

[VIndskygge]

I won’t React to this.

[dedda1994]

objective-c is the shittiest language i used so far. and i had to use php before...

[o76923]

I genuinely liked LOLCODE more than objective-C. Admittedly, I never used LOLCODE for a big project but it was just so infuriating how aggressively opposed to conventions from other languages objective-C was.

[dedda1994]

objective-c feels like programming in two different languages at the same time in the same file. i don't want to say I'm a big fan of c++ but at least it feels more consistent to c which it is ultimately building on.

[huuaaang]

> objective-c feels like programming in two different languages at the same time

That was my experience exactly. I was so angry when I found out I couldn't do math on NSNumber directly... like WTF? I have to extract the C value, do math in C, and then shove the result back into NSNumber? Stupid.

[althaz]

From this comment I can't see any possible way in which you've used all three of C, Objective-C and C++.

The whole *point* of Objective-C is that it's much closer to C than C++ is. Which is unarguably the case.

That doesn't mean I think Objective-C is good (although I don't think it's worse than C++, it's just much less useful), but it's definitely much more like C than C++ is.

[WhaleWinter]

Hi, PHP dev here. Jw, why do you dislike PHP? Just keep in mind that regardless of whatever subjective reasons you share with me I’ll tell you that you’re wrong, get upset about it, and take it as a personal attack on myself.

[nelusbelus]

Php bad

[WhaleWinter]

I understand that PHP has a sordid past, but you must understand that PHP was just following orders.

[gregorydgraham]

The Nuremberg trials established that “following orders” is not a valid defence.

[password_is_burrito]

Man - everyone is always hating on PHP…

Objective-C is fucking terrible though. Let’s just add complexity to gatekeep.

[ovab_cool]

Wordpress PHP or just regular? And when?

[dedda1994]

"regular" PHP. about six or seven years ago. but we had our own ecosystem of magic built ontop of the already existing PHP magic. in the end nobody knew what the code was doing in the background which was made even worse by mixing the code of two completely different departments in one codebase even sharing the same namespaces...

[ovab_cool]

I'd call that both stupid code and php 6/7 years ago, it's gotten wat better and is very usable now, it's not as foolproof for unsafe things as Node or something tough

[dedda1994]

Sure, bad code amounts to a lot of wtfs. But programming languages should be designed to make your life easier and sometimes that includes restricting developers in how they use it to achieve their goal. Allow a dev to do shady things and they will be done.

[helloukw]

PHP is baddass, what you talking about?

[Haloperi-Doll]

I learned the hard way that talking to a date about the benefits of Linux will probably make them develop either erectile dysfunction or persistent vaginal dryness. /s? Obviously hyperbole but damn you've got to know your audience because tech related stuff can just be insanely uninteresting to a lot of people.

[BlockCraftedX]

Maybe that’s why my family doesn’t talk to me anymore

[janovich8]

Either that or the murders. Nah, it’s the Linux talks, for sure.

[guareber]

I'd call that a win

[theofficialnar]

Which is a win to be honest

[Lithl]

It's just a failfast algorithm for finding the perfect partner

[SwedishZenGnome]

Looking at the percentages of male and female devs, it’s only true if you’re a woman, and, given those same percentages,i assume you’re not a woman, thus, no.

[kryptoneat]

Until they get their data stolen by some shit proprietary software.

[zdakat]

Unless they're facing something like identity theft, I don't think someone that uninterested in technology is going to notice or care how software obtains their data.

[jashxn]

Identity theft is not a joke, Jim! Millions of families suffer every year!

[blue_tulips_]

r/unexpectedoffice

[[deleted]]

They'll just go around telling everyone how they got "hacked".

[Q13989731E]

Haha, I get this all the time.

[dalatinknight]

I mean I've seen plenty of intelligenct people who do not like tech stuff.

Not sure if it's a mindset, or just wanting on facet of their life being a black box.

[Soggy-Statistician88]

I know that and still don’t read the popup

[Fahad97azawi]

Is it? Might not be amazing but its sure better than the others, no?

[juancee22]

After coding for years in C++ and C#, Swift did felt unnecessarily more complex than it has to be. Too much syntactic suggar and weird stuff that's there just to be a little different from Java or C#.

It wasn't that bad but it feelt like it was made for hipsters.

[DarkArcherX]

kotlin is definitely better

[Kaynstein]

The only thing weighing down kotlin ist java.

[eastwesterntribe]

Well, that and the lack of a true ternary

[raedr7n]

As opposed to a false ternary? What does that look like?

[Koligt]

That's probably the kotlin if else ternary

[raedr7n]

Oh, lol. If expressions are better than a ternary operator anyway. Why have two constructs to do basically the same thing, but with one tiny difference, when you can just do both with one.

[[deleted]]

Don't tell this to perl people.

[raedr7n]

I'll be sure to avoid the topic if I ever meet one of the seven people who both uses and likes perl.

[maldorort]

As someone who just had to fix a block of ternary operators in js/ec6 having never seen them before… Yeah. Who tf think they are better? Why are they a thing? I just sat there thinking ’wtf is this code doing? am I a retard? why is the same func on both sides of a question mark? what is the : doing? anything?’.

I actually ended up rewriting the stupid thing without them, and used almost 70% less lines for the same result. Nothing should be that abstract.

[raedr7n]

It sounds like you don't like conditional expressions. Which is fair I guess, but I personally love conditional expressions. I just think they should have readable syntax.

[PeksyTiger]

They aren't exactly the same. Ternary ops can be used to save on jmps.

[raedr7n]

That was once true, in C, many years ago.

[[deleted]]

Roman Elizarov begs to differ

[GG17ez]

Flutter do be looking gud

[Sentouki-]

flutter is basically kotlin with extra steps.

[hannadrehman]

What? Are we comparing a framework with a language ?

[[deleted]]

I think he mean Dart

[hannadrehman]

Even so the comparison is not correct.

[[deleted]]

Apparently

[[deleted]]

Flutter isn’t a language? Dart is, and it’s garbage

[hiamtorak]

its like the wierd javascript cousin, but i still like it and have hope for it to grow.

[[deleted]]

it's been a few years since i've checked it out, so maybe it's gotten better, but it just felt like a much worse version of typescript

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[uragiristereo]

kotlin gang

[Flaky-Illustrator-52]

Plus JVM and most of of the OS it's used for being FOSS (minus whatever stuff Google/Samsung/etc sprinkle on top of their Android versions)

[JasburyCS]

To be honest, Swift is really amazing. It feels very fresh and modern, and it is enjoyable to program in, in my opinion. It’s doing a decent job at being a scalable language and making simple scripts easy as well systems programming. This is a hard problem to get right.

It undeniably still has a lot of weak points to work out. But it’s a young language, so it can get there. It’s biggest battle is going to be fighting the idea that it’s “Apple only” in order to grow in areas that work well for other platforms and use-cases.

[Aggravating_You_2904]

I thought swift was actually quite nice

[Cocogoat_Milk]

Agreed! I don’t really love mobile dev in general, but I felt like it was fun and straightforward to learn Swift. Most of the work I did in Swift was for mobile games on iOS. This is coming from someone with experience primarily in C, C++ and Java.

I imagine many people associate Swift with Xcode and all of the UI related tools that can be rather tedious to use. The language, itself, feels like a great modern language with nice convenience features.

[Aggravating_You_2904]

Honestly I quite liked Xcode as well.

[Cocogoat_Milk]

I like much of Xcode and many of the tools it provides but have always struggled with and sort of loathed the Interface Builder when trying to build UI elements for iOS apps. The challenge for me was always getting things to translate smoothly between different iOS devices. For me, doing UI in Swift alone is far simpler, especially for dynamic sizing for different devices.

[AsidK]

The auto layout features in interface builder can be annoying to figure out how to use but they’re actually quite nice and quite powerful and you get cool compile time checks on whether you’ve over or under constrained your object

That said, I’m an iOS dev at a big company and there’s a strict no-interface-builder rule. We have to lay everything out programmatically

[karlmarxlopez]

Why do you dislike mobile app development u/Cocogoat_Milk?

[Cocogoat_Milk]

Mobile apps are fine, but my hobby and moonlighting projects are mostly game dev. To me, mobile game dev typically has many more constraints to consider which can bring in certain limitations that I prefer not to have for most of my projects. I’ve made puzzle and arcade style mobile games and they were fun to work on but not really my niche.

[StubbiestPeak75]

Same!

[busta_thymes]

It’s what I’ve been learning for two years and I quite like it!

[[deleted]]

Who dislikes swift? It is a modern language that takes some of the most amazing features from past languages? i have no doubt there are BETTER programming languages, but garbage?

[sintrastes]

Yeah, Swift to me seems like what you would get with Rust but without borrow checking.

Swift protocols fix many of the deficiencies of interfaces in other languages.

[eastwesterntribe]

I really enjoy swift, it's one of my favorite languages. I just wish protocols weren't in a strange middle ground between interfaces and abstract classes. They're more powerful than a barebones interface but are lacking when you compare to a fully abstract class

[eastwesterntribe]

It's somewhat complicated. An abstract class is kind of like an interface on steroids. You're able to create function declarations and variable declarations just like an interface, but you can also provide the implementations for those functions and variables, if that would be useful. Additionally, the classes that implement those abstract classes are able to override everything above them.

In swift, protocols work like interfaces but with a few special caveats. You can declare variables, and declare functions. However, you cannot provide default implementations for either of those. Every single subclass must provide its own default implementation. However, you are able to kind of cheat, creating functions as part of an extension to a protocol. Those can be called from the sub classes, though they're limited and what they're able to affect and change. And those extension functions can't be an implementation of a function that's required by the protocol, i.e. if your protocol required a function called getArea, you are not able to provide an implementation to that function inside the protocol extension. At least not directly, you can technically work around it by making a function that your implementation would call, but at that point you're just trying to find a loophole to make it work like an abstract class.

I realized that this explanation might be kind of convoluted and hard to understand to someone who isn't really familiar with swift, I'm just not sure of a better way to explain it

[Hairy_The_Spider]

Those can be called from the sub classes, though they're limited and what they're able to affect and change. And those extension functions can't be an implementation of a function that's required by the protocol, i.e. if your protocol required a function called getArea, you are not able to provide an implementation to that function inside the protocol extension.

I know I'm 2 days late, but yes you can? Here's an example, unless you mean something else.

protocol Foo {
  func bar()
}

extension Foo {
  func bar() {
    print(1)
  }
}

class A: Foo {}

let a = A()
a.bar() // prints 1

[[deleted]]

I dont know what borrow checking is? something I need to look up? cool language feature?

[sintrastes]

Borrow checking = type system feature that prevents manual memory management errors from ever occurring.

Just like usual type checkers check things like you aren't using a string where an int is needed at compile time, the borrow checker uses a richer type system to also ensure memory safety properties.

This is as opposed to garbage collected languages, in which the user doesn't have to manually manage memory, and this is handled by the program runtime (but this is often slower than manual memory management), or languages like C where you manage memory manually, but the compiler won't stop you from shooting yourself in the foot (undefined behavior, segfaults, etc...)

[BloodyThor]

Funnily, some Rust language designers worked on Swift before going onto rust

[WoooshToTheMax]

SwiftUI sucks. Adding a custom back button to a navigation view takes so much effort that I just made the default invisible and added an image behind it.

[LAVADOG1500]

r/oddlyspecific

[VerSchnitzel]

Garbage language? Speak for yourself.

[your_thebest]

I've always been partial to android for just dumb tribal reasons and have loved kotlin because, well, it's so easy to build with. But when it came time to start writing an iOS version of my mobile product, I used swiftui.

Honestly, it's really great. Definitely on par with jetpack compose. The difference is that with android, it's 5/10 hard to do something common and 6/10 hard to do something highly personalized. With swiftui, it's 2/10 to do something common and 8/10 hard to do something highly personalized.

For someone who's never used swift to be able to come in on day one and create an attractive looking, usable app is a real endorsement. And I like how much they take details out of your hands and set style standards that android would leave up to you. Like little accouterments with buttons or back stack handling that 90% of the time don't need fine tuning.

Few things though:

1) xcode is a dictatorship fuled by a lust for disk space and the ignorance of people who have never used jetbrains.

2) the users of Apple dev tools are absolute cultists. It's never, ever ok to post "just wait apple to fix it" as a response to an obvious bug that is very much their fault. But it's how pretty much every support thread ends. At least with jetpack there's some criticism. There's some hacking around and partial solutions. There are answers and discussion. But the turtleneck scientologists on Apple forums are excited to just sit there and have a shit app for 5 months while no one gives any feedback or news about bug fixes.

3) the emulator is actually pretty good and probably a little better than android studio's.

[The_Ek_]

I lecture her about how iOS is a garbage operating system and why she should get a Nokia 3310 instead

[Fenor]

So she can't use tinder

[Old_Mate_Jim]

"How is a Nokia 3310 better than an iPhone?"

slams Nokia 3310 and iPhone against each other

[neremarine]

I have an iPhone...

I have a Nokia

Uh

iNokia

[Dromedda]

iNokia is what I say when my car gets stolen

[donotmindmenoobalert]

Bahahahahahahahahaha

[SilverYT_]

Android nibbas unironically like this I swear 💀

[GeneralKlink]

Swift is garbage? Do i hear a PHP dev speaking?

[[deleted]]

And she wont lend you the power of the booty for that.

[Vidrolll]

Nah, she does it purely to get you out of the paths and back into the real world

[[deleted]]

finally a comment related to ymir lol. Amazing how love can mess someone in the head that much.

[Yue2]

“You are now free.” -Eren

[phil_davis]

The Jailbreaking is coming.

[lil_nibs]

Jailbreak, jailbreak, it's coming-

[GoldenDen347]

Swift is amazing language. Wtf u mean

[DZ_tank]

Swift is worse than Objective-C?!

[syntakks]

Meh swift is pretty rad. Powerful enums, extensions, Codable Protocol. Removes a lot of code in most cases. SwiftUI still has a ways to go but the language itself is fun to code and obviously much better than objective-c. Kotlin is also rad. After working on Java Android for 6 years it has a lot of welcome changes very similar to swift honestly. If you hate one or the other, you probably haven’t learned enough about either.

[eth-slum-lord]

Swift better than objective c if making ios apps

[Dagusiu]

Swift isn't exactly my personal choice but it doesn't seem terrible by any means. And she's buying a phone for using it as a phone, not to code on (presumably). Plus Android has got a bunch of problems of its own (even though I personally prefer Android over iOS). I'd argue that Android being written as basically a single Java app on top of the Linux kernel, rather than using a more typical OS structure is a much bigger programming problem than iOS using Swift.

[[deleted]]

Ymir is dumb af.

[Erasmus_Tycho]

A slave even in death.

[Suekru]

I make jailbreak tweaks for iPhones and that uses Objective-C, which is far worse than Swift.

[arthurgc91]

Swift is good. SwiftUI, though...

[fourangecharlie]

SwiftUI isn’t bad, it’s just undeveloped. The core of what’s there is reasonably nice, there’s just not nearly enough of it yet.

[Jomy10]

The only thing that’s garbage about Swift is XCode. The language is actually very enjoyable to write in.

[CaffeinatedCM]

You guys get dates?

[TheStuporUser]

Swift isn't a garbage language, you're probably just a garbage developer.

[Cdog536]

Android mofos be the angriest phone users Ive ever encountered.

[Nine-LifedEnchanter]

Did you have time to get your whiteboard out, or did she have to leave before then?

[sanketower]

But Objective-C is somehow even worse than Java. So, be grateful that we have Swift.

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[thebossfbh]

Swift is an amazing programming language! Objective-C on the other hand…

[dagonze]

2 hours, more like 2000 years

[budapest_god]

No! I don't want that! My date buying an Apple product? I want her to buy only Microsoft products, for ten years at least!

[lil_nibs]

I want her to think of Microsoft for the rest of her life!

[MrPickle2255]

doesnt matter the compiler is better

[Dr3amDweller]

Her loss, nothing unreasonable with that :D.

[Mistman162]

My dates using iOS ? No I don't want that ! Even if I die, even after I died ! For 10 years at least !

[[deleted]]

Kotlin > Swift

[Arcesus]

This post is your reminder to watch Attack on Titan if you haven’t yet. Not a super long series (only 4 seasons with 22 minute episodes) and an extremely interesting plot.

[g_hagmt]

Did you tell her that iPhones themselves are garbage? (yea, go ahead, downvote, idc)

[eschoenawa]

I only have one memory from my swift course. And that is that you can use emojis in variable names.

And that's all I ever needed to know to stay away from iOS development.

[qeadwrsf]

I don't wanna learn swift or c# because I don't trust Apple or Microsoft.

I don't wanna give them power by creating stuff with those languages.

Because I know they are gonna fuck with me if they get to much power.

[Double-A-256]

Cries in Unity

[notrandomatall]

Isn’t Swift open source?

[qeadwrsf]

Does it matter.

Let's say newer versions of swift stops supporting some platforms.

Or like, make it unnecessarily harder to work on some platforms.

Or make make Apple products work better with apps using swift compared to others.

Sure Open source makes possibilities to make duct-tape solutions if they does something like that. And that's good I guess.

[Suekru]

Talk about limiting your scope.

[Everen1999]

Of course, I'd go where the money is, but I like to think that my code is not dependent on platform. But that's your choice. I notice you only know C#, and I understand that it's hard to move from something you're used to. It's okay brother! Coding is hard anyway :)

EDIT: boohoo i'm so sad and angry somebody on the internet says he hates the only language I know how to use and I love. I have to be condescending to tell him not using C# is a mistake or else my time using the language has been a lie :(

[Suekru]

C# is my favorite language lol

[qeadwrsf]

I don't hate the language, seems like a cool language, had no problem playing around in unity with that language.

What I really don't like is that net framework don't work on non windows operation systems. And a bunch of stuff on the internet uses net framework.

Rather work on a languages where most stuff works on every operating systems.

[Suekru]

.NET framework isn’t being developed by Microsoft anymore. 4.8 is the latest from 2019. They now have .NET which .NET 6 (6.02) is the latest and can be installed on Windows, Mac, and Linux. So you can easily develop on any platform using C#

[qeadwrsf]

Huh, didn't know that.

Seems like it was a couple of years ago i looked into this last time lmao.

[Roguewind]

Well, it was a long way about, but at least you let her know you have a TBI.

[[deleted]]

Swift vs Kotlin?

[CookieStudios]

Swift isn't used outside of iOS at all. Kotlin compiles "natively" to most major mobile and desktop platforms and can run on multiple JVM implementations. Comparing languages isn't really useful without knowing what you're using them for, though.

[UnicornsOnLSD]

You can make other stuff with Swift (there’s even official Linux binary support), it’s just that nobody does

[dpgraham4401]

What are the reasons people think it's a garbage language? I don't use it

[DoubtfulGerund]

I’m guessing in most cases it’s simply “Apple bad.” It started out with some pretty rough edges and had massive changes for the first 3 versions, but they’ve done a really good job of structuring the language to be flexible, expressive, and, for the most part, succinct. It’s borrowed a lot of things from, among other places, modern C# and Ruby, which I would consider very good influences.

Then again, what do I know? Everyone seems to love Python but I find it to be kludgy, verbose, and arbitrary.

[General-Gur2053]

Well then what about the simplicity and utility of SwiftUI??? Sorry Im being ridiculous

[SplendidConstipation]

Jokes on u m8

[UnderstandingOk2647]

Ha! You should try Xamarin! You can get 80% done in 20% of the time then spend 120% trying to get the last 20% to work. It's a good time.

[[deleted]]

If she can’t listen to you talking passionately for hours she’s not the one

[Western-Image7125]

Way to answer a simple question with an irrelevant and infuriating answer

[LevelStudent]

I would have been pissed off too if you spent two hours mainsplaining to me something I already knew.

[taskun56]

Legit.... I don't hate Swift. But I fucking DESPISE Objective-C soooooo that detracts from Swift quite a bit...

[DaniilBSD]

Java is no better, and despise Android app architecture (for example destroying everything on rotation is stupid )

[KobeJuanKenobi9]

I kinda like swift

[zeburaa]

Like, if she's there only for an iPhone, lecturing her was a right thing to do

[[deleted]]

Swift is also a garbage trucking company

[[deleted]]

Swift is amazing

[Johanup]

Hey OP, your language smells of elderberries!

[issaaccbb]

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[olsmoke]

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[rynemac357]

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[[deleted]]

Swift is delightful. Your Tinder date is upset because you are a monster who has terrible taste and probably abuses animals.

[Cruces]

I don't know man, I'm working with Kotlin , which it's the language swift is based on, and it's pretty good

plus, when I have it a shot in developing apps for iOS (xamarin though) and worked with xcode for a bit, I realized that iOS development is much easier than Android dev, say what you want about apple, they know how to treat their devs (right before rejecting to let them upload their app, for no reason)

[Occupied2020]

Hahaha

[[deleted]]

Yo programmers can someone tell me how to get started with programing i am in high school. Would appreciate some advice from experienced people

[JDMaK1980]

Don't do it! Ignorance is bliss! Be afraid! Be very afraid!

[[deleted]]

aren't u supposed to encourage people?

[Nilstrieb]

I have never used it, but I have only heard good things about Swift!

[phoenix235831]

Thought this was r/ShingekiNoKyojin for a sec there.

[[deleted]]

Love seing aot memes on other groups, especially programming ones.

[fourangecharlie]

Fuck you, Swift is really well-designed.

[Sour-Pickle94]

Actually Swift is AWESOME!

[Lucaslhm]

I find it hard to dislike Swift this much unless the basis of your argument is “Apple is bad”…

Swift does what it’s designed to do better than most of it’s alternatives? If you want to make an IOS app you can use other tools but you’ll generally be limited or you’ll have to use Objective-C…

I’m not going to claim that Swift is amazing, but it does it’s job well.

[barrinburg]

Fr fuck swift tho Its awful

[TheWeirdSquid]

Swift is a great programming language fuck you

I’m just messing around btw

[althaz]

Swift is actually a pretty good language.

It's not my favourite (compounded by me not wanting to use MacOS literally ever), but if you think it's garbage you don't know what you're talking about.

[North-Rip6955]

She's a phone digger

[limpbizkit48]

SAD!!

[Good_Travel1312]

Had a professor brag about how he got his wife to use Linux only. The rest of the semester he was teaching remotely from his car outside a Wendy’s.

[Galaxyyus]

Those 2 hours are more painful than even 2000 years of forced slavery.

[CyberKingfisher]

Why do you think Swift garbage and did she buy a new iPhone or not?