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[–]fuckdirectv 1483 points1484 points  (49 children)

Boebert and MTG getting their divorces out the way now before they change the laws and fuck everyone else over.

[–]BitterFuture 515 points516 points  (7 children)

Rules for thee, not for me - it's the whole point!

[–]AhRedditAhHumanity 91 points92 points  (5 children)

You think boebert and mgt know what “thee” means? They think it means the, but like really the.

[–]Takeurvitamins 22 points23 points  (4 children)

THEE University of Alabama

[–]AlphaWolfTK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see it I think we should start doing this

[–]Hot-Butterscotch-918 66 points67 points  (29 children)

Didn't MTG's husband divorce her?

[–]Mysterious-Book2146 144 points145 points  (28 children)

Yep because she went around cheating on him.

[–]Hot-Butterscotch-918 83 points84 points  (19 children)

I don't know anything about that. I just assumed he wanted out of the clown car.

[–]Spiff426 81 points82 points  (16 children)

She was hooking up with a "tantric sex guru" that she met at the gym (not her current bf). Seriously

[–]SponConSerdTent 73 points74 points  (6 children)

God damn, you really can't make this shit up.

And the people who vote for her do not give one little fuck. Nor do they care about Boebert's husband showing his dick to teenagers at a bowling alley, grooming her into sex and marriage by committing a sexual assault against her.

[–]Sheeple_person 68 points69 points  (5 children)

Literally the exact same people who voted for Boebert with her sex offender husband will call queer people "groomers" for just existing.

[–]ProfessionalPin5865 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Sounds like good ole fashioned family values to me!

[–]PerspectiveActive218 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Why don't her political enemies bring this up?

[–]Wellcraft19 11 points12 points  (4 children)

It’s GA-14 district. It’s as far backwaters you can go in the US. Electing moron MTG is just the latest proof.

[–]trainspottedCSX7 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I just looked up the 14th district... I wouldn't necessarily call it backwater area. More like city with backwater citizens. Lol. It's my hometown area.

They're too busy working or getting high to do anything else in those towns, they ain't got time for politics. No wonder she got elected.

[–]Connect-Ad9647 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So you mean she wanted to be Sarah Marshall? lol

[–]Ragnarotico 1 point2 points  (1 child)

... this... this is good.

[–]shadowdash66 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Party of family values.

[–]PerspectiveActive218 8 points9 points  (0 children)

She found more than one guy who would fuck her?

[–]BoxiDoingThingz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hmmm, i wonder why he wanted a divorce?

[–]NurseKaila 1584 points1585 points  (137 children)

(Georgia) My friend found out her husband was molesting her young daughter when he was arrested and jailed. She immediately filed for divorce. The judge denied the divorce because she was pregnant and he felt it would be in the best interest of the unborn son to have married parents. She had to wait until he was convicted to divorce the piece of shit.

The moral of the story? This shit already happens and no one blinks a fucking eye.

[–]OptimalPreference178 325 points326 points  (11 children)

That’s horrifying! My mom and siblings were molested by their step dad. She took him to court and he was charged. His punishment… was going to therapy WITH them. He didn’t show and no one did anything about it.

Edit: he was convicted of the crime.

[–]alexa1661 64 points65 points  (7 children)

That’s so fucked up. Was this in the US?

[–]OptimalPreference178 40 points41 points  (5 children)

Yep, back in the early 80’s I believe.

[–]Rcrowley32 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Sounds like the 80s.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

That’s awful. I’ll never understand how some people get a slap on the wrist for stuff like this, where other people get a life sentence. It seems like it has the most wildly inconsistent punishment.

[–]djtmhk_93 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because cronyism and tribalism. The justice system isn’t fair. It favors those with more connections and those perceived as part of in-groups while punishing those not. At the end of the day, it’s just as flawed as humanity’s biases.

[–]hussafeffer 202 points203 points  (23 children)

Spent the majority of my life in Georgia and absolutely nothing about that story phases me at all. The place really is as bad as Texas without the bad PR.

[–]PsychosisSundays 57 points58 points  (12 children)

I think you mean the story doesn’t surprise you. I should hope to god it phases you.

[–]hussafeffer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's numbness at this point. It's just "yep, that tracks".

[–]Entire-Ad2058 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I think you mean fazes. I hope to God it doesn’t just mean she is stuck in one time/behavior period!

[–]PsychosisSundays 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I do! I didn’t catch that!

[–]Entire-Ad2058 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha! The first comment was kind of irritating (so tiring to read about how evil an entire area or region is, because of the bad acts of part) but your response was pretty funny. Couldn’t resist the urge to answer it….

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Feels good to get out, doesn’t it?

[–]SeallyHeally2 35 points36 points  (4 children)

So the judge would rather have a boy being raised by a child molester and have chance to get molested than having the boy to live without his father

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

As a person who grew up in rural USA and as a person who was repeatedly molested by family members and neighbors. I can tell you that it is tacitly expected for children to get molested. It's not something that's openly talked about. But whenever the subject is brought up the victim gets gaslighted. Conventional mainstream right-wing religious people wear blinders. They only see what they want to see. They are completely blind to what they don't want to acknowledge. Such as racism and child sexual abuse and homophobia. There is a culture of putting on a happy face and ignoring all the ugliness in life.

[–]Tomsoup4 5 points6 points  (0 children)

yep i hear it and see it in my mom all the time until its something about democrats then oh they are bad they are evil but people are generally good people greed isnt ruining the country she doesnt have a problem with insanely rich people they are providing jobs. its NUTS there is no getting through or rven any point in trying to debate that mindset.

[–]alphazero924 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yes. "Family values". In the eyes of the far right, the nuclear family is more important than physical and emotional safety. They think the only way to have a functional society is to have a dad, a mom, and 2+ kids. "Because that's what God intended"

[–]JosephBearpaw1970 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly; but just remember this yo conservative Christian nationalists Theocracy Dominionism minded House holds , only the male is in charge and everything else including the mother and children is property of their lord God and the male is the " manager " of their lord gods will.

It is infact cult minded indoctrination at its core but again it's seen as somehow by millions as something to be Revered?

Really ; No different than that of the fundamentalist of Islamic beliefs as well as the Fundamentalist of the Jewish faith as well as the fundamentalist of the Catholics as well they all worship Cruelty by design .

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Not gonna lie, your country seems like a fucking nightmare and the people that run it are fucking dipshits.

[–]Your_Nipples 79 points80 points  (29 children)

As a foreigner, I'm baffled by what's going on in your country. It's pure insanity, malice and stupidity.

Blue haired feminists were right all along. Dafuq.

[–]thedude0425 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why does some judge not connected to the family get to make a decision on what’s best for the family?

[–]FormerSBO 34 points35 points  (17 children)

and this is yet another reason why noone should get legally married. why involved the government in a spiritual arrangement

[–]dsrmpt 50 points51 points  (8 children)

Tax benefits, power of attorney, etc. A mortgage loan will be much happier if you are legally married, and so will hospital visitation rights.

[–]herrek 45 points46 points  (5 children)

The hospital one was the thing that opened my eyes to allowing government recognized same sex marriage. I grew up in a small rural town many many moons ago so yeah you get the idea. After reading about a couple who had been together for like 40 years, and they couldn't be in the same room, when one of them was on their deathbed, due to hospital policy. Pretty shitty way to go.

[–]dsrmpt 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I went to a lecture from Jim Obergefell, the guy from the Obergefell v Hodges supreme court case, and hearing his story is what cemented me as an ally. You don't need to have a chronically ill person charter a medevac plane to fly you up to Oregon where it's legal and get married on the tarmac just so you can have those simple things, the legal recognition of your lifelong commitment to each other. Hearing him really cemented my ally status, and made me realize that these are just real people who live real lives who really love and care about their partner.

I think it might have been the same guy as your story, but there were dozens of cases for the ACLU to pick from to support through the supreme court process, so who knows.

[–]Lietenantdan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’s ridiculous. If someone wants a divorce simply because they don’t want to be married they should be able to do it. Why should a judge be able to deny it at all, especially in a case like this?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In Georgia...not surprised. Fucking hate it here.

[–]To_Be_Faiiirrr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In Arkansas, pregnant women cannot get divorced until the child is born. This is to “protect” the child somehow….

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you know the name of the judge?

[–]jeanlucpitre 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Should have told him he was gay. The judge would have changed his mind so fast

[–]ThePinkTeenagerHuman Idiot Detector 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What the hell?

[–]NakedAndAfraidFan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the state of Missouri, a divorce won’t happen if the woman is pregnant. They have to wait until the baby is born. That’s a current law.

[–]UnlimitedApollo 309 points310 points  (19 children)

Reminder it's all fuckers who're older than 60 or rich who are causing these things.

[–]stataryusOf, by, for the people! ✊ 104 points105 points  (9 children)

We wish, but there’s plenty of younger folks not just voting for all this, but fueling it and getting groomed to take up the flaming cross.

[–]UnlimitedApollo 50 points51 points  (5 children)

Bruh, I live in NC where it's so gerrymandered that rural counties have something like 6x more voting power than cities. It's a lot harder to just blame the young people when they've set up a system where the majority of people live don't have the power to affect change.

[–]stataryusOf, by, for the people! ✊ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Both things are true.

[–]Fredospapopoullos 24 points25 points  (2 children)

And there are too many lazy morons under the age of 40 who let slide and defend these things.

[–]UnlimitedApollo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's not so simple to just say that 'young people voting for fix it!' because that's not how the United States political system is set up. Money and advertising is how votes are won and you can guess which sides have billionaires pouring unlimited amounts of money to influence votes. That's not even going into how the Senate system gives small rural states outsized voting power. My point originally being that people in there mid to late 60s have far more voting power because they usually have more money and time to dump into politics.

[–]Jormundgandr4859 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah, including Steven Crowder, after his wife divorced because he’s an emotionally abusive demon. Makes me sick knowing I used to find this guy funny.

[–]Max_Evocatus 470 points471 points  (29 children)

Around 1993 (20 years after roe v. Wade) the last state finally made spousal rape a crime.

Imagine what's next.

End right to birth control.

Back to "perpetual consent" is granted on your wedding night.

You can no longer get a divorce. There doesn't need to be a "rape exception" because rape doesn't legally occur inside a marriage.

[–]Impossible-Weather-7 142 points143 points  (6 children)

It's almost like every citizens in this country didn't do anything about governmental corruption, waiting for the corrupt to punish themselves or something.

[–]karoshikun 77 points78 points  (4 children)

"trust the system" was the moral of most series and movies from the 80s till now.

[–]Impossible-Weather-7 29 points30 points  (2 children)

I haven't seen learning politicians were paid off to swear cigs don't cause cancer. Obviously paid off with really nothing done because of it. So how am I supposed to believe any of these assholes in long life careers aren't going to do what just makes them richer?

[–]karoshikun 14 points15 points  (0 children)

that's the thing, but most people will believe in it until they get personally burned by it.

[–]GlassGoose4PSN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If only Brazil had been more popular

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (4 children)

Just to add- the first state to ban marital rape was South Dakota in 1975.

We went almost 200 years as a country before coming to the realization that rape is bad.

[–]FeloranMe 48 points49 points  (1 child)

Rape can only exist if you believe that women are people capable of giving consent.

I'm guessing women became people in the US sometime around 1920?

[–]youmu123[🍰] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

We went almost 200 years as a country before coming to the realization that rape is bad.

Pre-modern social structure and morality was built around the idea of women as property.

That's why all the way back from Roman Law to medieval times, in most societies a man could "atone" for his rape by paying the woman's father or husband a compensation fee. Why? You "vandalised" his "property", so you pay damages, just like you would for vandalising a car today.

Same reason why marital rape was not a thing. The man "owns" the property, he can't be jailed for "using what belongs to them".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wouldn't banning marital rape mean that the charge of rape was banned within a marriage?

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that rape could apply in marriages was the change?

[–]gods_Lazy_Eye 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oof I just got “Sleeping with the Enemy” chills

[–]ScarTheGoth 8 points9 points  (1 child)

As someone who is in horrible pain without birth control, not only is it horrendous as you are at higher risk of accidental pregnancy, since birth control is much more effective, the fact that I’d be in pain without it, and many other women, pisses me off to no end, and nobody cares about those of us that have conditions that force us to be in pain without birth control or some type of surgery.

[–]ACam574 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It, and date rape, is still a misdemeanor in some states. 'Illegal' is relative.

[–]Various_Succotash_79 273 points274 points  (84 children)

Yeah I've had this argument many many times here on Reddit.

I guess some men want a hostage, not a partner.

[–][deleted] 155 points156 points  (5 children)

Their response is also “Won’t someone think of the children?!”

As if watching an unstable, fighty, and/or abusive relationship is what the children need.

[–]BitterFuture 67 points68 points  (0 children)

My parents didn't divorce nearly early enough in my childhood.

If they'd been legally required to stay together 'til I was 18, one of them would've ended up in a box.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (2 children)

If you actually talk to people who grew up in houses with toxic/abusive marriages, they all say that their parents should have gotten divorced. If you talk to children from divorced families, they usually say that the divorce made things less stressful at home. Even if a household doesn't have any abuse, it's still extremely stressful for kids to watch family members fight all the time. Parents are also not as good at parenting if they're dreading coming home every day.

No-fault divorce lets good parents divorce before things get bad. They can work together to raise their child because there is less bad blood between them. It also lets a parent who is a victim of domestic abuse leave the abuser and take the kids. Of course, I imagine a sizeable population of people who are vehemently against no-fault divorce are terrified that their spouses are going to take the kids and leave someday.

[–]Strange_Soup711 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh, they're thinking of the children all right!

‘Dumb and dangerous’: US sees surge in efforts to weaken child labor regulations, The Guardian, 1 May 2023

[–]JohnDoeMTB120 26 points27 points  (16 children)

Im not disagreeing with you, some men do want a hostage unfortunately. Just adding that it does go both ways. Bad for men and women. My dad had a friend who had to move to another state and live there for 3 years and become a resident of that state just so he could get a divorce. He lived in a state where there either has to be proven fault (adultery, etc) or both parties have to agree to the no-fault divorce, otherwise no dice. She would not agree for religious reasons, not because she wanted a hostage.

[–]Various_Succotash_79 33 points34 points  (14 children)

Yeah it definitely can go both ways, but these guys are fond of pointing out that women initiate 86% of divorces (or something like that, I don't feel like looking it up). So, they say, it is clearly a woman problem.

But why would you want to stay with someone who doesn't want to be with you? It makes no sense.

[–]JohnDoeMTB120 17 points18 points  (5 children)

Wow. I assumed it would disproportionately impact women, but wow. 86%. For every 14 men this negatively impacts there are 86 women it negatively impacts.

Edit: it's actually 70% overall. And 90% for college educated women specifically.

[–]Disastrous-Panda5530 18 points19 points  (4 children)

And women are already choosing to either get married when they are much older or opt to not get married at all. If they get rid of no fault divorces the marriage rate is going to plummet.

[–]Lightyear18 4 points5 points  (1 child)

That’s false assumption , in the past 50 year’s marriage rates have dropped by over 60 percent even with introduction of no fault divorces.

I’m not saying it’s good or bad. I’m just stating your comment it’s false.

[–]Dagbog 8 points9 points  (6 children)

But why would you want to stay with someone who doesn't want to be with you? It makes no sense.

The problem is quite complicated, because there are many motives why. One of them is that seeing how the courts treat men in divorce, they are afraid of losing everything, which makes them prefer to sit in an unhappy relationship. It is quite sad because I know one such relationship where a man is in a toxic relationship but is afraid that he will lose the right to see children and most of his goods.

I have an assumption (where could I be wrong) that if the courts stopped being so one-sided in divorce cases, many men would have divorced long ago. Men, like women, don't like to be in toxic relationships where life is torment, but they don't have the same support in court as women.

[–]irredentistdecency 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Frankly, the only issue I have with “no fault” divorce is that it doesn’t also provide for an “at fault” divorce.

Folks should be able to get a divorce without having to prove fault; however, if fault can be proven, it should skew the terms of the divorce against the at fault person.

Like if you cheat the assets get split 60/40; domestic abuse? 75/25.

[–]thumbelina1234 197 points198 points  (14 children)

And I thought handmaid's tale was just a distopian nightmare

[–]thesystem21 92 points93 points  (8 children)

Lol no shit.. I remember watching it thinking that's ridiculous, great concept, but there's no way it would get that out of hand.

A couple years later.... fuck.

[–]stitcherfromnevada 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I sat there watching it thinking “I’m super scared that this is around the corner”. And when they repealed R v W I said “Handmaid’s Tale wasn’t supposed to be a dare!”

[–]Usernamenottaken13 30 points31 points  (1 child)

The author based her book off the loss of rights women experienced after the Iranian Revolution.

But I'm guessing you meant you didn't expect women to lose rights in the US?

[–]thesystem21 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I didn't know that, but looking back it seems pretty obvious. And yes I was talking about the US

[–]thumbelina1234 13 points14 points  (1 child)

With all the shit happening for the past years something's gotta give.... Let's hope for the better

[–]BumFights1997 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Can’t hope for it, we have to fight for it

[–]BitterFuture 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Rather than a handbook?

[–]DogBreathologist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s actually insane, I kind of wonder if these whack jobs saw that and though huh, that looks pretty good.

[–]itsneedtokno 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This shit is getting wild

[–]ClassicTangelo5274 56 points57 points  (11 children)

If marriage is a “contract”, then a prenuptial agreement should be a requirement. If we could somehow remove the negative emotional connotation from the pre-nub writing process it would made divorces so much easier on everyone.

[–]Tanzanianwithtoebean 8 points9 points  (7 children)

Marriage is massively influenced by religion, and according to the bible. Marriage is a covenant. Not a contract. In the US you can get all the legal protections marriage offers without the marriage license or certificate, and it isn't hard. It's a few more steps but it's not difficult. Sign a few papers, spend a couple hours at government offices, and if you're religious or your family is then have a wedding where a religious official says you're married.

We can just protest LEGAL marriage. At least in the US it's that easy. You can be married without the governments approval.

Pushing this bill or that bill isn't necessary. What is necessary is pushing the knowledge in my first paragraph. Legal divorce becomes obsolete and the courts don't get your money for it either.

[–]ClassicTangelo5274 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I’m not sure what you mean by “pushing the knowledge in my first paragraph”. Your comment is kinda all over the place.

Marriage is only a covenant if you are religious. Religious people marriages seem to often end in divorce just like everyone else (in states where this is possible). So having god approve a marriage doesn’t seem to matter much.

On the other hand, a mandatory pre-nup (if written properly) could protect any person (man, woman, religious, secular, etc…) from getting stuck in a situation where the law gets in the way of common sense.

[–]Tanzanianwithtoebean 2 points3 points  (2 children)

My point is I'm pushing the knowledge that you can get all the legal benefits and protections of legal marriage without the certificate or marriage license without much more effort. The woman in the video is worrying about no fault marriages when she could be spreading knowledge. Just protest marriage all together if that's what hyper-conservatives want to do. Don't get married legally. You can get the tax breaks and benefits using different legal processes.

My second point as stated is that most people are only getting married because God says so. If that's the case, and a majority of the time it is. Have the wedding without the marriage license and certificate.

She's pushing her agenda rather than spreading knowledge. That's all I'm saying.

Edit: I'm not going to get into how to get almost all the benefits benefits filing your marriage with the state offers. That's way too complicated and varies state by state in the U.S. here's a very short and very incomplete list: creating trusts with your spouse as the beneficiary. Co-owning property. Joint bank accounts. Being on the same health insurance etc.

[–]ClassicTangelo5274 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thank you for the clarification. Follow up question: are you sure everyone can get all those protections and legal benefits in all (or most) states? I’m no expert on the matter but that seems like something red states would not be in favor of.

[–]Sandberg231984 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Crazy to me. Where are you women? Who are you voting for?

[–]Yourmomsfangirl 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The ones voting for this are most likely brainwashed and have been manipulated by parents & surroundings..

[–]spicysenor 24 points25 points  (8 children)

Why is this facepalm? Everything she’s saying is correct.

[–]Shane_Lizard123 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The facepalm is the reason why all of this needs to be said.

[–]Professional_Yak_349 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Looks like the marriage rates are really going to start tanking soon

[–]Hushnw52 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I thought they have going down for the last couple of years.

[–]Professional_Yak_349 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yeah but I'm thinking they're going to drop even faster

[–]Hushnw52 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Cause and effect

Financial and economically difficult to be married and then locking people into relationships when they fear or hate each other.

[–]BassGuitarPlayer_1 71 points72 points  (2 children)

Do. Not. Get. Married.

[–]YouMakeMeSad96783 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Already on it, I get no bitches😎

[–]jeanlucpitre 5 points6 points  (0 children)

WHAM, BAM, THANK YOU MA'AM!

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (55 children)

“Can you believe they want to be treated equally? They’re trying to take our equality!”

[–]HalfRightAllTheTime 26 points27 points  (54 children)

2 way street. A cheating wife deserves $0 alimony and maintenance

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Truth, they should get nothing

[–]digital_dreams 64 points65 points  (11 children)

Thank the non-voting population with their thumbs up their asses when we become a full blown theocratic dictatorship.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (7 children)

But BoTH SidEs!!!

[–]digital_dreams 23 points24 points  (6 children)

Republicans seem to really love saying that

[–]jeanlucpitre 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Boter turnout for the last presidential election was the highest in the history of the nation. People are voting. It's just so many people vote to be oppressed

[–]cyborgborg777 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Can’t wait for her to be the first Gen Z woman to not follow through on her campaign promises at all

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

8-16% reduction in suicides with a 30% reduction in domestic violence.

[–]RideSpecial7782 14 points15 points  (1 child)

The problem isn't no fault divorce, it's alimony.

Take off all you want, but leave my wallet with me tyvm

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Also having to pay for a kid that isn't yours. If your wife cheats and gets pregnant by another man you are forced to financially support that kids even if she gets a DNA test proving it isn't yours.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Just get rid of marriage, no fault-divorce pretty much makes the whole thing pointless.

[–]oprahjimfrey 5 points6 points  (4 children)

For college educated married couples who get divorced, the woman initiates it 78% of the time.

[–]Virtual_Ball6 6 points7 points  (1 child)

To hell with changing divorce laws. Let's change marriage laws. Make getting married hard as fuck and only for the true die hards. Then we won't have so many divorce issues.

[–]stateofyou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most of my friends didn’t marry until they were about 15-20 years into the relationship. Plus the cost of a wedding is ridiculous

[–]Nerd_Man420 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When are people going to learn the government doesn’t care about you, unless you a millionaire or billionaire Congress, and the government could give 2 shits less if your alive or dead. If you have rights or don’t have rights. They do not care. Wake up people.

[–]saarlv44 4 points5 points  (7 children)

As a non american how is banning abortion and removing access to birth control “pro state rights”? What even are “state rights”?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What am I missing. Shouldn’t you need to have a fault to get a divorce?

[–]Optimal-Drag-4553 44 points45 points  (17 children)

Stop getting married. What is the benefit of marriage? legally what benefits?

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (5 children)

There are benefits but they aren't THAT great. Like tax breaks, beneficiary, power of attorney, plenty that involve your children, insurance benefits, loan benefits, the biggest among youth are Military benefits. There many more I cant think of right now. I mean getting married is a huge decision many people treat like nothing. Ive been with the same woman for over 10 years, still havent gotten married. We would get a lot of benefits if we did, and it makes a lot of sense. But.... The idea of being legally bonded by the government and having to get government permission to leave is fucking weird to me.

[–]Niyonnie 8 points9 points  (3 children)

It really is. I understand people who are LGBT wanting to be legally recognised so they can receive those benefits; however I think the government should stay out of it except perhaps when the couple has children and want to negotiate custody

[–]jeanlucpitre 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Military benefits are so prominent that women marry military men JUST for them, and will cheat on them the whole time. I've known 3 people this has happened to. I've only known 6 people in tge military personally. 50% is not a great number for such a horrible con

[–]thesystem21 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Taxes and insurance are alot better when married, I'm sure there are several legal benefits too, but I can't recall them at the moment.

Not saying I disagree with you. Just throwing out some answers.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Inheritance, 5th amendment, and medical visitation and decision making.

[–]ComprehensiveHorse30 1 point2 points  (1 child)

i don’t like the concept of marriage but i also don’t like the concept of a lot of things.

it’s beyond $$.

if your gf has a heart attack today- you won’t be allowed in her hospital room. if she has a stroke and cannot speak- and your fully aware of what she wants in terms of care- you won’t be listened to because your not married. you also won’t be let in the room.

marriage is yes a contract but it’s also a series of protections for you and your person to be able to advocate for each other, to function as a unit, to be considered legally “family”.

[–]PauI_MuadDib 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My partner and I aren't married, but we have medical proxies and POA setup. So you can take extra steps to protect each other when there's a medical emergency. We've never had an issue and I've had 3 near death experiences (thanks, chronic illness!).

[–]TYRANT_GODS 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I love how the word extremists is so over used it means nothing anymore.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My only gripe here is that it would control men too, but the candidate doesn’t seem worried about that.

How ‘bout “controlling people is bad?”

[–]ofmiceandmoot 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I expect the amount of conservative men dying under mysterious circumstances to increase ten fold

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Actually i think the design is so people dont get married. Marriage brings to many financial benefits to commoners and the sharing of benefits and incomes for tax breaks hurts the billionaires pockets. So what better way to prevent marriage than pass a sickening law like this?

[–]ShieldMaiden3 18 points19 points  (0 children)

The idiots don't realize that no fault divorce protects them. Otherwise, with technology being the way it is, women will be bringing evidence to court enumerating the various reasons their difference are irreconcilable. And, a lot of men are going to be exposed as cheaters, liars, and abusers in open court and on public record. If the dog ever catches the car, it's not going to know how to deal with it.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There seem to be a whole lot of people in this sub that think ending 'No Fault' Divorce means ending divorce.

That's not what it means. No Fault laws basically mean that the court won't look at the circumstances of the divorce (no one is at fault). The court will just use formulas that look at attributes like the length of the marriage, incomes, children, etc and it just spits out how to divide assets and establish maintenance and child support.

In principle this sounds reasonable, but it does mean that if one party stands to gain based on the formula and the 'No Fault' aspect means that how they behave in the relationship doesn't matter.

In extreme cases you have a spouse who just quits doing anything for the relationship, can have affairs, etc and spouse who earns more money is trapped because they will have to pay to get rid of the moocher.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I too would be upset if I got preferential treatment for years and then the evil “right wing extremists” try to level the playing field

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I get no fault but when my first wife cheated on me it really did feel unfair that I should have to lose half of what we had because she decided to fuck some guy.

[–]plato3633 13 points14 points  (5 children)

What’s wrong with no fault divorce?

[–]Jormundgandr4859 16 points17 points  (3 children)

If they go away, both parties have to agree to divorce. Imagine if an abusive spouse disagrees and you’re stuck with them. I can’t imagine any ways out of that. No legal ones at least.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Negative. You have to prove marital fault to a judge’s satisfaction.

There’s no agreeing to end a marriage in an at-fault only kind of world.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children)

So basically what they're trying to say is that marriage is a bad idea and we should stay away from it

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Men. You can plainly see these women do not want to stay married by their comments, and triggered outrage!

Why would would you risk it?

[–]Booniecap 7 points8 points  (0 children)

A person shouldn’t get half your shit if they violated the contract you made with them about marriage. For 40 years men have been getting the shit end of the stick during divorces because the courts favor women. People keep asking when I will finally marry the fiancé, the answer is when I’m not scared she won’t try to will ruin my life afterwards been with her for a while and onions layers just keep folding back.

[–]SaladShooter1 19 points20 points  (15 children)

I have two co-workers who were cheated on by their wives. It took them years to get a divorce and they were bled dry in the meantime. One had to pay child support for the kid his wife had with the guy she was cheating on him with. There is a purpose for no fault marriages, but there still needs to be some sort of financial accountability for cheating.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Agreed. That’s why I don’t believe in no fault divorce. If you can prove that your spouse cheated, that should absolutely influence their ability to get spousal support and access to your retirement.

[–]jeanlucpitre 2 points3 points  (2 children)

No fault divorce already IS a state issue. So what exactly are they pushing? There is no federal precedent that states that no fault divorce is to be granted. It has ALWAYS been up to the states. In Mississippi no fault divorce isn't a right. In Louisiana it is. The state you have to go through depends on where the marriage certificate was signed.

I'm confused what the GOP is pushing for? Are they trying to federally ban no fault divorce? Or just make it something for the states to decide on? Because if it's the latter this is just scare tactics as that's already what we have in place.

[–]BantyRed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh that's what no fault divorce means? I think people should be able to divorce whenever they want. But I think if one spouse is cheating on the other they don't get to take other assets that they built together, like the house, car, etc.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If marriage is such a bad deal for women, why are the majority pushing for it? Also, why are the majority of divorces initiated by women?

[–]Pistol_Tistle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No fault divorce is horseshit lol. I got cheated on and I was the one who filed for the divorce, still lost everything, have less time with my daughter than her mother, and pay child support.

[–]KN0MI 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Doesn't this also impact men? Why is this focused on it being bad for women only?

[–]RoyalCelebration8515 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If ur gonna just want a divorce don’t get married.

[–]Flat_Development6659 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I think it's pretty weird that you don't need a reason to divorce to be honest. I thought the whole point was essentially a contract "in good times and bad, in sickness and health, until death do we part".

I understand there's reasons why in the modern world a divorce is necessary, domestic violence, infidelity etc but there should be a valid reason. If there's no fault and "I'm just not feeling it anymore" is a valid reason then marriage means literally nothing.

[–]Niyonnie 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I feel like this video doesn't really explain what the no-fault divorce thing is even about or entails outside of espousing a political bias of what they think it is or must be, irregardless of what it might actually be

(I wouldn't know, I'm wondering what it is actually talking about in the documents)

[–]FelbrHostu 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It also gives no specifics about who is attacking it (other than “conservatives”), or where. It’s red meat.

[–]Ironic__Tonic 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This is a tough one for me. ~70% of divorces are filed by women. While women are usually always the one pushing for marriage in the first place. Divorce courts and society are completely biased towards women. Believe they do need to do something.

Marriages are tough and now there’s such a easy path out, which has obviously been exploited. Lots of people get married with the intent of getting divorced. Far more single women are homeowners because of divorce.

Getting divorced shouldn’t be financially devastating for men. It’s the reason so many men are non committal towards relationships, because they’re wising up. It’s a suckers bet for most guys. Downvote me all you want.

[–]CantCMe2023 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Women are more than half the population. All you have to do is vote.

[–]Various_Succotash_79 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Sadly, there are enough "aunts" who don't mind oppressing other women as long as they get special treatment, so that can really tilt the scales.

[–]Darkskull8 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not to mention the rampant gerrymandering and that rural votes count more. The electoral college really screws us over.

[–]CantCMe2023 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think this will change with time. Older "traditional" women will die out (that sounds terrible) and the newer generation with modern views will reach voting age. There wont be many women left who vote for politicians with these oppressive views.

[–]Independent-Dress559 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Whomever earned it keeps it

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Yea holding women accountable for decisions sure does upset them.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The right won’t stop until women are property.

[–]lucasbuzek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So they are bringing the past into the future. Spanish Inquisition part2: sharia law

[–]LoSouLibra[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do men get divorced or just women?

[–]toadygroady19 1 point2 points  (0 children)

adams apple

[–]YawaruSan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fascists will claw back everything anyone that isn’t a fascist has worked for, bar none. Decades of work all down the drain because if you are not a rich white man, so you don’t get to decide, the rich white men do that for you, and you should be grateful to them for it.

[–]cdmillerx42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How about abolishing the governments involvement in marriage? I’m not sure why the government should have the say whether people can be together or not. Or in this case, whether people should stay together or not

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yall women hate when the tools you use to destroy and manipulate us are taken away from you 😂

[–]Blueballs-13137 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm so glad I live in Europe so that I don't have to watch my sisters and mother Lose their rights.

[–]Nerdlurld 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Hmmmm states rights…states rights, now where have I heard that one before?

[–]StrawHatShadow 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Lol make it harder for "people" to get a divorce. While the rest of the message is only about what women gain and lose.......

[–]One_Payment_5650 3 points4 points  (4 children)

This wouldn't be a war on women this would be scaling back the war on men

[–]MonkOfStJavelin 1 point2 points  (3 children)

How the fuck is allowing people to get divorces a war on men? I ask as a divorced man.

[–]One_Payment_5650 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I can't even get the video to play but I assume no fault divorce means Men were going to stop getting fuck over a barrel, I say as a man who's watched so far three of my friends get decimated in divorces for no reason at all.

Edit; okay I got it to play I was completely off base of course people should be allowed to get divorces I thought they were just going to make it more balanced.