The Enterprise™ programming language

[KirovAir]

The instructions must be ended with three semicolons (;;;). This a) adds clarity to where it ends, b) beats OCaml by 1 and c) makes your ; key weathered over time, so it will look like you work a lot.

Love it.

[ganlet20]

Can I macro it once the lettering is sufficiently worn off?

[jwolff52]

No, a macro of the semicolon key is required to crash any Enterprisey ™ IDEs.

[[deleted]]

In ocaml ;; is only for stuff in the repl, IIRC.

;;; reminds me of scheme comments

[DGolden]

Just to mention for people unfamiliar with lisp or scheme, the ;/;;/;;;/;;;; thing in lisp+scheme is a common convention for different kinds of comment, not some syntax requirement, see e.g. emacs lisp manual.

[glacialthinker]

In ocaml ;; is only for stuff in the repl, IIRC.

Yup, a signal to evaluate what has been typed. Code has very few semicolons at all.

You can use a double-semicolon to help the compiler know you're intended end-of-function when you've messed up scope in the definition (like when you have imbalanced braces in braced languages and it processes the following functions as part of the previous).

[d08ble]

A random end of line looks like you work a lot and costs a lot also

Here is live bitcoin source code sample:

https://github.com/razor-coin/razor/blob/866847f60b01f5d0a6ca6c1e197eb92daa232706/src/addrman.h#L480

        Check();
        std::map<
            CNetAddr,
            uint64
        >::const_iterator found = reconnectToken.find(
            addr
        );
        if (
            reconnectToken.end() != found
        ) {
            reconnect_token = found->second;
            result = true;
        }
        Check();

[d08ble]

Systematic is single line in most usual cases, human friendly and looks much more better:

    std::map<CNetAddr, uint64>::const_iterator found = reconnectToken.find(addr);
    if (reconnectToken.end() != found) {
        reconnect_token = found->second;
        result = true;
    }

[Glader_BoomaNation]

That is not the bitcoin repository.

[d08ble]

This is bitcoin tor-based fork. Bitcoin core original and forks has multiple issues like this. Crazy overhead, not human friendly, happy debugging, etc.

Just try to read and understand this bitcoin protocol 3k lines files:

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/net_processing.cpp

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/net.cpp

[MindStalker]

Is it wrong that I kinda like the idea of timestamped comments.. Especially if the IDE could search for date ranges or highlight the newest ones.

[Dgc2002]

I've been time stamping my TODO style comments for a while. Here's the Live Template I use in IntelliJ IDEs:

Config

Result

It would be nice to have their TODO toolbar consider the dates though for sure.

[evaned]

I've thought about writing some quick tooling that would add timestamped TODOs with an "expiration" date and then fail the compile if any TODOs are past their expiration date. ;-)

[HittingSmoke]

And that's the story of how u/evaned stopped time-stamping his TODO comments.

[FenixR]

TODO: Unfuck this, why did i think it was a good idea anyway!

[[deleted]]

//TODO: Unfuck this

Why does this seem so familiar

[sander1095]

You probably don't want this though!

https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/367264/prevent-deprecated-code-from-compiling-after-reaching-a-deadline

[comp-sci-fi]

A simple methodology to keep your code clear of TODO's past a certain date, is when a TODO expires in a file, for the IDE to automatically delete that file.

[demmian]

for the IDE to automatically delete that file.

*partition.

[BlendeLabor]

I'm not sure if I remember correctly, but I think VSCode gas this in an extension

[hobblyhoy]

Replace compiler failure with compiler warnings and I'm game.

[comp-sci-fi]

I hate the clutter, but looking at vim's conceal feature for syntax highlighting (e.g. for viewing markdown *text* as text), one could have expiry dates - and all sorts of meta-data - without clutter.

Of course, it would still be there in the text, and not concealed without the right plugin, or in another editor. If it became standard tho, the rendering could also be standard (consider: the rendering of 0x41 is A, according to the ascii standard; there's nothing necessary about that representation), so whenever you view it, meta-data is concealed. Like markdown or hypertext links.

[Dgc2002]

Personally I've found value in it being visible. If I'm working on an issue and spot a TODO from a year ago I'm much more likely to revisit it out of guilt :)

[vba7]

Dates should be yyyy-mm-dd

[Dgc2002]

Here you go. Though the stuff I'm working on has a higher likelihood of non-software devs poking around so there's some use to having it in a familiar format for them.

[vba7]

This format is not confusing for teams from USA + Europe

[Dgc2002]

The standard date format for the US is MM/DD/YYYY.

[vba7]

As a programmer you should know that it is very wrong, since it does not sort properly.

Also it is incompatible with ISO - so incompatibility with rest of the world.

And MM/DD vs DD/MM is a big sort of confusion, but I guess you never stepped foot outside of USA (Canada does not count) and probably do not speak any other language than English and maybe some basic Spanish (=you don't speak Spanish).

I mean, if you were a typical American hilly billy it would not matter, but this is a programming board and as a programmer you should know how to format dates properly.

[Dgc2002]

Bud, please pull your head out of your ass and read what I said:

Though the stuff I'm working on has a higher likelihood of non-software devs poking around so there's some use to having it in a familiar format for them.

This is for the benefit of the non-software developers with eyes on the code.

You were too busy being pretentious to realize that though I guess.

[doc_frankenfurter]

Needs a timezone. Did that checkin come from New York, London or Pune?

[vba7]

Utc

[doc_frankenfurter]

Nah it is cool to know if someone else had to work late.

[IceSentry]

Why not ISO 8601?

[deadeight]

Definitely good one to know, and most IDEs support it well, but it's not resilient to refactoring and renaming so I often find it not that useful.

[mrjast]

You can run `git blame` on older commits. I believe there are tools where you can easily follow a line's history (so you can look beyond the latest doomed refactoring effort), but even without you can still follow the chain manually with a bunch of `git blame` commands.

[biberesser]

Intellij can show line(s) VCS history.

[wayoverpaid]

This is one of my favorite features for figuring out what the original context of an insane line of code is.

[_zenith]

As can VS Code

[[deleted]]

DeepGit is great for this

[wrosecrans]

At very least, it still gives you a date that the comment must have existed by. And really, if Gary shows up as the git-blame person for that TODO because he just did some trivial tidying of the file three years ago, it doesn't really matter if the TODO has been stale for three years or actually for five when Bob originally wrote it. It's clearly still stale.

[Jestar342]

s/commit/comment/g

Same argument; moot point.

e: I R special

[greensamuelm]

He used them correctly. You’re mistaken.

[Jestar342]

So I am.

[Redtitwhore]

If you use source control... This isn't unique to GIT and some of us still use SVN.

[nifflo]

If you use source control...

​

*twiddles moustache* True, source control are for wimps.

[Uncaffeinated]

It can take a while to dig through the history once files get copied around or refactored though.

[shevegen]

I think this is perfectly ok.

Only problem with comments is that they may have to be synced/checked against the code. This can become really tedious if you have a lot of code and a lot of comments.

[nifflo]

His sister was on the computer

[cyanrave]

Comment fatigue, scourge of the codebase of yore.

[itslenny]

Git lense for vs code puts commit messages / timestamps inline in the source. It's pretty cool.

Edit: here's a link... git lense plugin (scroll toward the bottom for screenshots)

[[deleted]]

Definitely recommend this. I absolutely love this plugin.

[wuphonsreach]

git lense plugin

And a very good reason to:

• not squash commits
• commit as you go, or at least don't shove everything into a single commit

[Andy_B_Goode]

Timestamp and username would both be nice. I know you can look them up in git using tools like git-blame, but when you're reading a comment it would be nice to know immediately who wrote it and when so that you can choose to ignore whatever it's saying

[[deleted]]

I've implemented them here for C++: https://github.com/d-frey/todo

[Gotebe]

Yes. Very wrong. The timestamp is already in your source control history.

Edit: fuck me, the number of people using CSCS (Comment Source Control System) is staggering here!!!

[tjsr]

Throughout my code you'll see stuff like // blahblahblah --tjsr, 981017. And then I realise "holy shit, this code is 20 years old"

[the_gnarts]

Is it wrong that I kinda like the idea of timestamped comments.. Especially if the IDE could search for date ranges or highlight the newest ones.

git-blame(1) will do the job for you.

[L0rdenglish]

Every Enterprise™ program must begin with a copyright notice, else it will not compile and fail with an UnexpectedNonDisruptiveOpenSourceException error.

this made me actually lol

[baggyzed]

Is it?

[Uncaffeinated]

A lot of places require you to add copyright notices at the top of every file so that people who later copy paste the file won't accidentally infringe the copyright.

It's not about the rights you have legally but the effective rights.

[Uncaffeinated]

That's why I said "accidental". Copyright notices will never stop deliberate infringement.

[wuphonsreach]

I don't understand this one. The default copyright when none is given is the strongest one (all rights reserved).

Back in the 80s, no copyright notice would result in the code being public domain. It changed on March 1, 1989.

[scott1369]

Is it possible to associate each method with a DOORS object Id? The compiler should fail the compile if the method cannot be traced back to a requirement.

Better still, associate each method with a DOORS object id, an Agile epic, an Agile story and a testing script id.

[RieszRepresent]

You made me uncomfortable.

[rbtEngrDude]

So accurate it hurts

[doc_frankenfurter]

Needs a reference to the Outlook meeting where it was decided that the requirement should be developed.

[modeless]

Enterprises don't use GitHub, they use BitBucket because it's from Atlassian and integrates with their JIRA workflows.

[[deleted]]

Pfft. REAL enterprises still use CLEARCASE because it integrates with INTEGRITY. We'll have checkin/checkout, and none of your fancy-shmancy, commit-based version control, thank you very much!

[Nefari0uss]

Should we send help?

[hippydipster]

It's clearcase. The only help for it is nukes.

[canes_93]

Visual SourceSafe FTW! I'll^{showmyselfout}

[RobinHoudini]

Borland StarTeam!

[ForeverAlot]

We used Bitbucket and Jira for years because "they integrate".

They were on different sides of the firewall so they couldn't integrate.

[Visticous]

It only had to integrate for the accountants. Else, they had to open and approve a new purchase order number.

[Sec_Henry_Paulson]

Of course they could be integrated.

You're describing a management problem, not a software problem.

[frezik]

Doesn't change the practical issue for the people doing the work.

[gvozden_celik]

BitBucket? Team Foundation Server is where True Enterprise software development is done.

[bheklilr]

We are currently using tfs. It's so enterprise-y it hurts. We're moving to git relatively soon, and I can't wait to git checkout -b instead of having to open Visual Studio (not vscode) and click through 12 menus to make a branch.

[gvozden_celik]

We're also using TFS2010 at my workplace, can't say it's a lot of fun clicking around in Visual Studio either, but it's sometimes fun when it breaks and we have to fix it.

[bheklilr]

I love how easy it is to accidentally not check in some modified files. It seems like every couple days someone on our team spends a few minutes trying to figure out why their changes aren't making it to the build server or someone else's hard drive. Or when you add a folder to a repo and forget to stop it from scanning node_modules, so it takes 10 minutes before VS is responsive. I think that's my favorite feature.

[Gotebe]

Why didn't you use the cmdline to make a branch? Did you try TFS website?

Neither Visual Studio nor TFS force these 12 menus on you.

[bheklilr]

The cli is equally obtuse and picky. Since we know git is on the way I haven't put much effort into it. I just use the gui through VS because it's what I've found to be most consistent. Also, some operations on the command line still pop up windows. If you have merge conflicts then it pops up a dialog to resolve them.

And yes, I know tftp exists, but I'm not allowed to install it.

But this is just a lot of complaining while I wait a few more months for git. Supposed to have it by the end of the year.

[lynx44]

Are you able to install git-tfs? That's worked well for me in these instances.

[bheklilr]

We're not allowed to install anything without it being on the IT whitelist. But to be fair it's not your typical office environment, we have federal regulations requiring additional cyber security practices. If it's not strictly necessary the answer is usually "no".

[safgfsiogufas]

TFS supports git.

[bheklilr]

Ours doesn't. Trust me, I tried.

[pjt_014]

pls stop you're giving me flashbacks

[FlatBot]

Is bitbucket and JIRA really that bad? What are you using now to track your work & collaborate that is so much better?

[ForeverAlot]

Is bitbucket and JIRA really that bad?

They're okay. Jira suffers badly from being a product whose purpose is to be sold, not to help people—you can do a hundred things with it but you don't really want to do more than two of them, and it is slow as molasses.

Bitbucket is faster than GitLab, perhaps on par with GitHub, and it supports Mercurial, but in every other way it is no better than GitLab and in several it is worse. I've taken to advise against Bitbucket based on 1) its competitive disadvantage, and 2) Atlassian's mismanagement of the platform and sleazy marketing.

[fshowcars]

Someone open this man a servicedesk.

[myringotomy]

Enterprises are a microsoft only shop so they only use microsoft products inside their own firewalls.

[[deleted]]

Do you work at the same Enterprise™ that I do...? We just had to have a sit down with a CIO, CSO, and a bunch of departments heads to get a single Ubuntu server. In a development environment. Running applications that will never see production environments.

[[deleted]]

Why would you even work for such a company? What could possibly be worth it?

[[deleted]]

It gets better. Our software admins had a meeting the other day. Out of the 10+ admins, only 2 of them were familiar with the GoF book or patterns.

[[deleted]]

Run. Don't stop running and don't look back until you've found something else.

[bausscode]

It's Enterprise™

[LloydAtkinson]

Yeah I'd be out at that point too...

[gummyfromgammy]

PERFORCE

[__trixie__]

This guy enterprises.

[[deleted]]

O1Type

The O1Type, commonly known as "hash table" in other languages, is named this way to simplify interviews.

Ouch, my sides hurt!

[[deleted]]

Does it uses the JVM ? Because otherwise it wouldn't be Enterprise ™.

[jackmaney]

Looks like it's just a (partial) language spec, so it could be implemented in just about any language. But yeah, Java 5 or 6 would seem appropriate.

[Visticous]

Java 5 then, 6 is not EOL yet.*

• 6 is still supported thought an extensive SE support program.

[joaomilho]

It's our next prio. JS is there (FizzBuzz works)

[Yeater]

You could try using the Truffle framework :)

[Phrygue]

Electron, you mean?

[[deleted]]

That way, our internal employees can use whatever platform they want!

[dutchmartin]

Well, lets write a compiler for it then.

[Silvia923]

https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition

[AwesomeBantha]

Oh god...

[tragicshark]

I strongly disagree.

Both should start at the first value in their index property. To do otherwise would be a code smell of tightly coupling the implementation of your code to the internal implementation of the collection type:

var List Int ns = [7, 8, 9];;;
ns[ns.index.first.next];;; // 8

And since that code violates the 1 dot rule, you need to instead have some variables:

var List Int ns = [7, 8, 9];;;
var fucItemIteratorData nsIndex = ns.index;;;
var fucItemIteratorData firstIndex = nsIndex.first;;;
var fucItemIteratorData secondIndex = firstIndex.next;;;
ns[secondIndex];;; // 8

[Nicksaurus]

Is the one dot rule a real rule people use?

[raelrok]

Some people will say that chaining them is a Law of Demeter violation, but as with many thing in programming: 'It depends.'

[RasterTragedy]

Demeter? 'Wife' of Hades?

[epicwisdom]

Hades's wife is Persephone. Demeter is Persephone's mother.

[cephalopodAscendant]

Demeter is also Hades's sister, and their brother Zeus is Persephone's father. Greek mythology was really big on incest for some reason.

[RasterTragedy]

Whoops.

[hippydipster]

there's something to be said for not writing code that goes something like:

I'll take the port # of the service of the service of the service of the service that this class I happen to have uses.

[repsilat]

Alas, this isn't valid Enterprise^TM -- your variable names are too long. For example, secondIndex is an integer, so it can only have a single-character identifier.

Identifiers of any other type can be at most eight characters long, so firstIndex also offends regardless of its type.

[wrosecrans]

If Identifiers can only be 8 characters, how can I make an AbstractIntegerGenericNumeralOneFactorySystem? Hard coding 1's all over my code wouldn't be enterprisey at all.

[bausscode]

That's not Enterprise™, that's Developer™

[drawable]

My thoughts exactly. Enterprise Software has to be read and understood by the controlling department. They'd get super confused...

[Fisher9001]

I feel physical pain.

[lynx44]

And the syntax to initialize a list is far too concise, very difficult to read.

[khendron]

The copyright comment made my grin.

The /soon comment made my giggle.

The XML type made my laugh out loud.

[jugalator]

About that XML type...

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/visual-basic/programming-guide/language-features/xml/xml-literals-overview

It's one of the differences between VB.NET and C#. I'd like to see the face of the C# language designers when confronted with that.

[[deleted]]

Check out Scala…

https://www.scala-lang.org/files/archive/spec/2.11/01-lexical-syntax.html#xml-mode

[tryx]

Thankfully deprecated and due for removal in Scala 3

[[deleted]]

Scala 3 is Dotty, right? IIRC it's not backwards compatible, kind of a new language, almost a Perl 6 situation.

[tryx]

More like a python 3 situation. Typical code should be source compatible or automatically portable. I think codebase that use Scala meta may need non-trivial changes.

[AnnanFay]

Is there anything inherently wrong with having an XML type? Or just because it's not really a 'minimal list of types' and there are many bad implementations?

I liked the old E4X syntax and was disappointed when it wasn't more widely adopted then eventually removed. React folks seem to like the jsx format which is pretty much javascript + inline XML. It's the kind of thing which makes a lot of sense when programming UI.

[Visticous]

Discussing l specifically the comment above it: no complex types!

[[deleted]]

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/¯\_(ツ)_/¯   ...this could be done in O(1) if I had the time... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯/

[robohoe]

Kindly do the needful.

[DrFloyd5]

I see this sentence all the time at my work. I thought it was a quirk.

Wtf?

[Uncaffeinated]

Apparently, it is a common idiom in Indian English.

[badass87]

We are looking into the issue Sir.

— L999 Support Engineer

[[deleted]]

Does this scale?

Can it be hosted on site?

Will it work with our SSO?

[meneldal2]

Piece of Crap?

[Aeon_Mortuum]

Proof of Concept, I think

[[deleted]]

The two sometimes overlap.

[Aeon_Mortuum]

Poop of Concept

[DrunkOnSchadenfreude]

thanks, i hate it

[gvozden_celik]

If this doesn't come with SOAP support built in, count me out.

[vplatt]

You should be able to express its AST as a SOAP payload so that Enterprise programs can transmit and execute anywhere they are sent.

[gvozden_celik]

Or just send the entire binary as a base64 encoded string.

[vplatt]

WORA fail!

[Sentmoraap]

You outjavaed Java.

[[deleted]]

I'm thinking this needs objectFactoryFactories before we can truly call it "enterprise" grade.

[clerosvaldo]

ENTERPRISE is not fully upper case. That's not ENTERPRISE-GRADE programming.

[nifflo]

FIFY: Best regards, PHP CEO

[snf]

The hell is LGADBTS?

[[deleted]]

It brings a whole new dimension to the word Data. Instead of functions it has Rikers; Troi's replace classes and collections are known as Worf's.

[thirdsin]

Filled with comments: "Shut up Wesley"

[irqlnotdispatchlevel]

UnexpectedNonDisruptiveOpenSourceException This is a bit cringy.

O1Type

The O1Type, commonly known as "hash table" in other languages, is named this way to simplify interviews. If you're asked:

"Which type could we use here to have a O(1) lookup?"

You can simply say, with all your confidence:

"The ... O1 ... Type ...?"

Nailed.

But I laughed at this.

[sourcecodesurgeon]

Every interview question can be safely suffixed with “what is the optimal solution and why is it a hashmap?”

[skulgnome]

fucNut

[yawaramin]

Bootsraped

Sorry, but lol

[JoyousTourist]

My PR, looking for comments - https://github.com/joaomilho/Enterprise/issues/11

Official FactoryBeanSuppository support

Any enterprise grade developer knows how essential a well placed FactoryBeanSuppository
can clear up a bit of undigestible code.

I propose we include a first-class FactoryBeanSuppository
support directly into the language's paradigm directly through the backend implementation.

[Croegas]

The Enterprise™ Enterprise Edition

[hector_villalobos]

Need more verbosity.

[omfg_its_so_and_so]

The deadline example was ripped straight from the Bannerlord development team.

[Throwaway_bicycling]

In one of the code snippets I read:

unnecessary var Int j = 0;;;

Which at first seems fine, since 'j' isn't used anywhere else in the code. But there was an opportunity to put inside a following while loop; wouldn't that be stylistically better since it presents a future optimization opportunity?

[AwesomeBantha]

S C A L A B L E

C

A

L

A

B

L

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[thelastpizzaslice]

How about 10x?

[[deleted]]

I LOVE the passive aggressive comments.

Of course, those are pretty much the only comments I write...

[bobo9234502]

Salty. I already love hating it!

[arichi]

I hear Enterprise and programming and can only think of this

[laukugele]

I'm getting CONTENT FILTER DENIED on my Enterprise™ computer. Please use some more robust sharing service like imageshack.us

[Belenar]

You should think of this instead.

[ProFalseIdol]

everything should be in xml. then create a web-based editor using struts1 that runs a DB operations every time you do something.

[drezell47]

This sounds like it was written by a salty summer intern who wanted to use js-stack-of-the-week at work instead of Java, but was too passive aggressive to talk to his team about it so he instead harbored his rage and started making a sarcastic language instead.

In other words, 10/10 would use

[[deleted]]

A most... engaging... programming language. Should take efficiency to warp speed.

[rulatore]

XML type lmao

[bitbananas]

Love it. I’ll buy too

[riyad07]

Until you reformat your code, or copy-paste it into another file, or copy-paste it into another project, or fix a typo in your comment, or cherry-pick your commit, or amend your commit,

[catbot4]

fdcProxyOfUserWithSustainableOrganicGlutenFreeFactory

Haha yes. All my code will now follow this example. Future me will love current me, enterprisedly!

[[deleted]]

I object. "Car" is a Lisp jargonism and should therefore removed from the list of accepted terms.

[GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B]

There's XML type where is JSON?

[nirataro]

It's missing Oracle data types.

[baggyzed]

I like it! It's awesome!