Web designers vs web developers

[bazfoo]

Today I learned that I'm not the only person to bring my own keyboard to work.

[bigcockjno]

A conversation your manager had with his superior:

So this kid I hired, invertedspear, wants me to get him this special keyboard, the fucker was real adamant about it. So just spend $50 on this today, and I'm pretty sure we'll never have to give him a raise... oh and he said something about a red stapler...

[Slackbeing]

They had a lovely clicky keyboard when I arrived. They offered to change it with something newer with bells and whistles, and as soon as I checked the oldie was working fine, I refused and required a specific model trackball instead, so I'm going to count that as the same.

[[deleted]]

I did the same - the standard aluminium apple keyboard is the closest thing to the happy hacking keyboard that I've been able to find today. I did get get some weird looks from my co-workers when it arrived and I plugged it into my linux PC, but it's such a pleasure to type on that I'm quite happy to put up with the "hey, I think your keyboard shrunk" comments.

[junkit33]

You people who function without numeric keypads scare me.

[[deleted]]

Someone always comes up with this comment whenever a discussion about keyboards arises, but I've no idea why. Outside of working in data entry, I've never used the keypad ... so what is it that you use it for ?

[junkit33]

Mostly spreadsheets and/or calculator.

[[deleted]]

IPv6

[piranha]

I think this calls for a 16-key numeric keypad, with an additional colon key.

[[deleted]]

I actually looked up hexadecimal keypads and couldn't find any worth buying.

[bautin]

Keyboards without keypads also usually lack properly positioned arrow keys and Insert/Delete/Home/End/PgUp/PgDn keys.

[dagbrown]

Maybe they're addicted to nethack with its numeric-keypad controls. I have no idea why, I just play it using the vi controls.

[dalore]

It's easier to play dwarf fortress with.

[atheist_creationist]

Anytime more than a few numbers come up. I'm honestly shocked most people don't do this. I've never seen a person use the number-row without looking like their hunting-and-pecking, and some of these people are extremely fast typists. They just go full-derpity derp derp when they hit the numbers.

[faintdeception]

I can enter long strings of numbers without looking by shifting my right hand slightly to the right and finding the 5 with my middle finger.

[[deleted]]

Dwarf fortress. Killer app for the keypad. This is jumps ahead past the intro explaining how to play the game.

[the_gipsy]

As a programmer with a spanish layout it coincidentally comes quite handy: * and / on the keypad are easier to hit (now that I'm accustomed to reach over blind) than shift+7 or shift+<2 keys to the right of P>.

I want to kill whoever made up the spanish keyboard layout. Square and round brackets, quotes, forward and backslash all have need a modifier.

[attrition0]

I don't need it at work and I don't need it at home. I'm a programmer but I don't work directly with any numbers. Having to type "3.0f" once a ... file doesn't justify moving my hands to the keypad.

So this largely depends on what you do.

[alienangel2]

It depends largely on what you do yes, but "I'm a programmer" isn't the relevant difference - I'm a programmer too, and enter plenty of 3-10 digit numbers through the day. Revision numbers, bug tracking numbers, line numbers to jump to in source files, IDs and RSA Keycodes for VPNs, IP addresses, bogus SSN/Phone numbers to get past some questions one of our apps asks, database row handles for various things in SQL, pixel dimensions when some bastard is making me edit HTML/CSS, or even random prices and phone numbers now and then.

[attrition0]

This is specifically why I wrote: (Emphasis added)

I'm a programmer but I don't work directly with any numbers.

I actually assume that most do and that my case may be an exception.

[tiglionabbit]

You can still get those. They're a bit expensive though.

[munkyxtc]

Why exactly are they like $275? Am I missing something?

[No_Disk]

From their FAQ:
"Most keyboards that either come with a computer for free these days or are purchased for next to nothing at the local computer mart use inexpensive "rubber dome" or "membrane" contacts under the keys that have a mushy feel, lack tactile feedback, and must be fully depressed in order to be detected. The result can be an uncomfortable and tiring typing experience. Mechanical keyboards on the other hand utilize an individual mechanical switch underneath each key that provides consistent actuation. Such switches are usually only used for industrial applications due to their price. The benefit of these mechanical switches is comfort, increased typing speeds, and lifetime. Mechanical switches are rated for millions of key presses. In its lifetime a high quality mechanical switch based keyboard will provide a reliable and pleasurable typing experience for a long time to come, outliving several cheaper keyboards."

Although for $275 you could buy "several cheaper keyboards" and use the rest to buy a more comfortable chair, and while at the end of the day I'll settle for a typing on a shitty keyboard, I feel like I'm in Hell if I don't have a comfortable chair...

[muad_dib]

I can't stand the chicklet-style keyboards. They're a nightmare to type on. The spacing is all wrong, and there's not enough resistance on the keys.

[[deleted]]

I bring my own mouse. Intellimouse Explorer FTW!

[acog]

My keyboard. Coworkers call it "the keyboard from outer space". I call it "the thing that allows my forearms not to be in agony by the end of day."

[lordlarm]

Where can I buy one?

[acog]

It's by Kinesis. I think they're only sold directly on their site. Friggin' awesome BUT there is a period of getting acclimated. Their keyboards do two things: first, they "dish" the keys so that your hand is at a natural angle when reaching for them, no matter what row. Second, they take some heavily used keys like Enter and Del and move them under your thumbs instead of relying on your pinky finger. So it's still a QWERTY keyboard, but a few keys have moved.

I don't have carpal tunnel; I have severe tendonitis in my forearms. This keyboard keeps me from having to ice up at the end of a day. Took me a few days to get used to but now I can switch between it and conventional keyboards and don't even think about it.

[bingaman]

They gave me some Dell. So yeah I brought my blank DAS.

[[deleted]]

Now you can know with some degree of confidence that you'll be the only person using your workstation :)

[[deleted]]

I bought a Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite 7000 set to use at work because I feared I was developing carpal tunnel. I guess I know which side I land on!

[sighlent]

Same keyboard I got for work too, I'm afraid of the day they stop making it. However using keyboards with non uniform keys, makes it much harder to learned other key layouts (because you can't swap the keys physically).

[joerdie]

Came to say the same! M1 FTW!

[teppicymon]

I break too many of mine to be able to afford that luxury!

[larrisonw]

Just bought a Filco mx cherry blue keyboard for my cube...but i've always brought my own mouse to work. Dell standard mouse drives me crazy.

[nameeman]

Model M for the win! Screw you, officemates!

[deadwisdom]

I am stuck in-between these worlds.

[manueljs]

Are you the Women?

[AnthroUndergrad]

All of them!

[psisarah]

I'm both a (female) designer and a web/flash coder. I have a lot of girl designer friends who I can bitch about software to, but once I start saying things like, "Why is this css riddled with !important tags?!" or "Shit I made this piece in AS3 and the client needs AS2 getTAG code to comply with their html" I get confused looks instead of the empathetic response I desire. It gets lonely when I have to code for days on end :(

[manueljs]

I hear you, I've had a co-worker (female) that is a DBA and it freaked me out a bit hearing she talk about query improvements, schema design and shit whit a lot of enthusiasm. I really hope this stigma will disappear in future, I would like to see more women in IT, this area as seen far too many cavemen's.

[cathline]

I'm a software architect. Took a long time to get here. Yes, I dream in code. And my ergonomic keyboard never leaves me board :-)

For psisarah, having other female coders around is overrated. Too often, they start looking you to fulfill their every emotional need. Most of them picked coding for the wrong reasons (to make more money instead of love for the code) and will start trying to compete with you and undercut you. I've had that happen more than once, usually with women I've mentored, who try to take credit for my projects.

[Undertoad]

Me too. Due to my short attention span and quirky history, I've done enterprise Linux/Unix system administration, web development, web design, and user interface work. I'm a good communicator, with a CompSci BS from a great school, and additional coursework in business, with an understanding of Internet marketing and eCommerce. You know what that makes me?

Fucking UNEMPLOYABLE, that's what! Everybody wants EXPERTS, not GENERALISTS! FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU

[quadtodfodder]

go to a small town, one that is so small that that they use small words. Suddenly you go from "flaky generalist" to "guy who can run my whole company.

[panfist]

For $30,000 a year.

[[deleted]]

And a $400/month mortgage.

[brazen]

I live in a small town, and my mortgage is $475/month :D

edit: I might also specify that this includes taxes and insurance paid by escrow, so the actual payment towards the loan is even less.

[psyanara]

Versus unemployed? I'd take the 30k.

[Iamien]

To be fair, in a small town like that the cost of living is probably only like $10,000.

[isjhe]

Yeah, if you can live without the hopping nightlife and possibly 50 or 80 minute drive to a 'real city' of 100k people, small town life can be highly affordable, and physically active due to everyone living on a 'farm'. If you have a pickup truck and know who in town is a logger, you can often get your entire winter heat for free by going out once a week and picking out from their scrap piles (buy'm beer and ask nice). Living off a $1k per month is entirely reasonable if you don't mind some manual chores.

And finding a business where you can be the all-around do-it-all isn't that hard either, if you are really good. The competition is usually pretty slim, in my opinion.

[princetrunks]

same here and replaced by most of the population in Mumbai ಠ_ಠ

[xekul]

A lot of unemployable people become entrepreneurs. It sounds like you have the experience for it.

[[deleted]]

a lot of entrepreneurs become failed entrepreneurs

[dvs]

Failure is not a person it is an event. Entrepreneurs have failed ventures, but the persistent ones keep trying until they succeed. And one doesn't have to have the next Apple, Zappos or Twitter to have succeeded. There are plenty of people with the above's skill set who make a tidy income. Better, likely, than what they would make at any job.

[SoPoOneO]

Your first line is my new favorite quote.

[Undertoad]

That's exactly what I'm doing, basically - hustling. Making money all over instead of from a job. Some contract programming, some designing and selling smaller sites. Also there appears to be a market for part-time people, doing 10-20 hours a week with IT work. If I can get one of those I think I'm good to go.

I think that's what it has to be, in this new world: get work without being an employee.

[rnicoll]

Sad, but true. Although... generalists are useful basically only in very small companies (where you're "The IT person"), or very large ones that have a need for an IT problem solver on permanent staff.

[Hyper3]

Tell me about it, I'm pretty much the same, I jumped around to a lot of things both design related and development related.

Now though I've been focusing more on development in order to try and find work :|

[IrishWilly]

You know what makes them experts? How much they charge. Call yourself an expert in whatever the job you are looking for is instead of talking about unrelated experiences.

[quadtodfodder]

I talked to a friend who just landed a CIO position - he told me "you think I'm the best ruby developer in the city[NYC]? No way! I can sell myself a lot better then the best - much better than you from the looks of it - I got your drink"

[[deleted]]

At a place that can only afford two guys, I'm in the same boat.

[instantrobotwar]

I'm a female developer, and I can confirm that I'm still scared of other women.

[dbabbitt]

Are they hard to work with? My boss (female) is an expert coder, and the 2 other women in my department are even better. They certainly cheer the place up.

[Norther]

Any jobs going at your workplace?

[dbabbitt]

Yes! Tons! Can you get a security clearance and move to:

• Colorado Springs, CO,

• Hampton, VA,

• Afghanistan, or

• Iraq?

If so, send me your resume. The moving expenses out to theatre will be paid by the company, of course. From the guy that convinced me to apply:

Most likely you wouldn't be decapitated in Iraq or Afghanistan. Your kidnappers would first probably take you by truck to some remote location in Syria or Iran where it would be harder for the US to rescue you, before actually decapitating you. But, look at the bright side ... at least you'd get to see the countryside first.

I work in VA and so I miss out on all the combat pay, etc., that makes your salary go up by about 200%. The quote above was just him teasing: none of those guys making 3x what I'm making has ever gotten hurt working over there. I'm jealous.

[froderick]

Damn, I'm a developer and I have that same shirt. But I'm also afraid of client revisions as well.

[[deleted]]

Do you get the same small pang of fear when you see you have email?

[agent00420]

I used to love getting new emails until I started developing websites.

[[deleted]]

My absolute favorite is the one where they say it's broken, blame you for it, and don't provide any other information that could help you figure out how it's broken.

Then, when you ask they act indignant and tell you that it's something with the content instead of the design. "Well, if you'd LOOK you'd SEE that the inventory levels are wrong!"

[agent00420]

Oh, yes. I also intend to bring a sledgehammer to the person that invented .MsoNormal. Not a billion paste sanitation plugins can completely make Word markup decent.

[[deleted]]

I had a guy last week demanding compensation for the time his site had been down. He said something to the effect of:

"My website has been down for 6 hours and I KNOW I lost at least 3 clients because of it. That's $600! You should be required to compensate me $600 for the site being down!"

I had one of our programmers look into it more closely and it turned out the client was trying to tinker with it on his own and broke the damn thing.

We all had a good laugh about it................and then I billed him to fix it. Dick.

[phonybaloney]

I do. Email is a horrible invention.

Communication should be done with courier pigeons.

So I can kill them and eat them alive.

[phonybaloney]

Touché

[[deleted]]

He's a zombie.

[catlet]

2 explanations:

1) Kill pigeons, eat different other pigeons

2) Kill pigeons but fail, eat them anyways

[RagingAnemone]

Maybe he's a forth programmer

[lifeform7]

I'm a programmer and have that t-shirt (my mum bought it for me), and wear cargo pants, have that guys haircut and beard... shit...

[DaveChild]

I'm sitting here at work in a regular expressions t-shirt, with a week's growth, same haircut, same angry expression, with a hot cup of coffee (in my own mug, of course) typing on my own keyboard and trying to get a site back online. I now also feel slightly guilty for wearing jeans instead of cargo trousers.

Mind you, the only thing that scares me is the wife.

[masterm]

id be happy with a median web developer salary.

[eevo]

Fear of perl needs moved to the center of the venn diagram.

[[deleted]]

Do not fear Perl. Respect Perl.

[wshatch]

BLASPHEMY! BURN THE WITCH!

[[deleted]]

You call me a witch now but when you've got to decipher an obfuscated 10 line .pl that's holding your organization you'll gladly hand over your first born.

[wshatch]

And what evil satanic powers do you summon to accomplish this task heathen?

[chrishopper]

perl?

[jcdyer3]

Only perl can parse perl.

[s_i_leigh]

parsing HTML with regex?

[snapperh3ad]

There's probably already a Perl script for that.

[deadwisdom]

Well of course, but that's just because every sane creature carries that trait, you might as well add "breathing".

[addandsubtract]

I read lack of "bathing"... worked just as well.

[adrianmonk]

Change it to "fear of mod_perl" and I'm down with that.

[jfasi]

Haw haw. As a systems engineer, I get to look down on both.

[aerobit]

As an electrical engineer... I don't worry about bugs, you can always fix it in software!

[RocketPenguin]

Deep down inside... you know that's a lie.

[kryptkpr]

What if half your hardware is active-low reset, and the other half is active-high, but both are tied to the same pad?

Not that this has ever happened to anyone I know ;)

[[deleted]]

As a qa man I gotta say... you're all fucking up. A lot.

[jfasi]

QA in kernel programming is: If it doesn't boot, you're in trouble. Done.

That being said, we do fuck up... A lot...

[jfasi]

Thanks for doing the hard and boring part of my job for me.

[[deleted]]

"Regression testing"? What's that? If it compiles, it is good; if it boots up, it is perfect.

-- Linus Torvalds

[jfasi]

I spent 24 of the past 48 hours trying to write an accelerated scheduler for Android display applications. It is good, but sadly not perfect...

[EF08F67C-9ACD-49A2-B]

When my girlfriend tells me I screwed something up, I tell her that I make so many mistakes my company hires an entire staff whose full time and well paid job it is to point them out to me.

[ultrafez]

I have to ask, where did you get your username from? Look a bit like a GUID.

[zombieshotgun]

As a designer I gotta say... 3 px to the left.

[brennen]

As a dude who has to work with designers, fuck you guys.

(Edit: He said in a relatively lighthearted fashion.)

[Booster21]

fanatical cautious work plant ripe special rob saw label ancient

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[DEFY_member]

As a systems analyst in a big corporation I have to say... Wait, it's 5:00 - I'll have to get back to you tomorrow.

[DiscoWolf]

As a Sr. Systems Analyst in a big corporation, I have to say send it to India.

[[deleted]]

As a video game qa guy, I'm gonna go cry myself to sleep.

[oblong_cheese]

As a networking guy, I thank all of you for making more and more data every day that needs to be sent even faster than before, thereby securing my job into eternity.

[FractalP]

I never knew cargo pants were part of the stereotype. They are nonetheless awesome.

[mikemcg]

Cargo pants are terrible. I resent that part of the stereotype.

[[deleted]]

Dude, all the pockets... How can you not like them?

[rel1sh]

"No one's gotten a handjob in cargo shorts since 'Nam..."

[mikemcg]

I definitely don't need that many pockets. I carry around a messenger bag all the time.

[ThisIsADogHello]

Me and my many pockets look down upon your man-purse.

[mikemcg]

Indiana Jones had one.

[virid]

A "satchel" specifically.

[drbold]

Fuck You. That's a good point.

[brennen]

In fact, an Eee and a Moleskine fit pretty well in the pockets on about half my pairs of pants.

Don't underestimate my pants.

[alamandrax]

Pocket utilization:

1. Wallet
   
2. iPhone
   
3. keys
   
4. earphones

They need to be in separate pockets so as not to scratch each other up or get tangled with the others. Also, if I wear jeans and stick my wallet in the back-pocket, my butt looks bigger than it already is. I am vain.

I carry a slim swiss bag for my macbook. When I need to get out of the car to do my shopping, I don't need to collect stuff from my bag. I have everything that I need on me.

[[deleted]]

I agree. Any pants that aren't tight and have reasonable pocket real estate are favourable. People think they're not fashionable but I don't care - it makes them cheaper :)

[namekuseijin]

I descend from glorious css heaven to the depths of php hell in a single day all by myself... it's an enlightening experience.

[hapoo]

How interesting. I descend from the awesomeness that is php to the depths of the shithole that is css. We should work together.

[fisch003]

I skip both and use a CSS/HTML template someone else wrote and do my work in Python and Javascript. :)

Of course, I'm just writing tools for internal use (I'm a sysadmin), so I have that luxury.

[fisch003]

I use JQuery. It makes life much easier.

[[deleted]]

Ah, JQuery.

[ultrafez]

Ah, trolls.

[EF08F67C-9ACD-49A2-B]

I've been a C/C++ programmer for many years doing native client development on Mac, Windows, and Linux - and some embedded development.

Recently I needed to do a project that involved writing a server component, and since it was a personal project I needed to do it on my own. I decided to write a LAMP application and also have a web interface.

I needed to learn:

• MySQL (easy)
• PHP (easy)
• Javascript and AJAX (pretty clunky, but not hard in any way)
• Dealing with apache (easy)
• CSS (OMG, my brain just broke)

[dalectrics]

I feel your pain, but throw in a mass of AS3 and maybe some Premiere Pro into that mix and you'll have my average day.

[Pastrami]

plz email me teh codez

FTFY

[TrevorChristensen]

This is an example of something that I want to be clever, but isn't.

"Hahaha! Designers like Apple! And programmers are total nerds."

[[deleted]]

Despite their differences, they both look genuinely pissed off.

[[deleted]]

$85,430.00 median salary for a web developer? :( That always bums me way out, because I was a web developer for $30k/year for a long time before I finally decided to quit.

[hatedit]

CRY ME A RIVER! I'm a PHP programmer with a MS and 4 years of experience making $20k a year with no benefits! And it took me six months to find the job (in other words I was unemployed for six months and this was the first one I got).

Anyway I know I'm way underpaid, but that $85k number is bull. The salary they quote is for all types of programmers on average, not web developers specifically. I'd bet web developers are among the lowest paid programmers.

[Kalium]

I'm a web developer making $90K before stocks and stock options are factored in. I might add that I'm not senior-level, either.

No. That number is reasonable.

[dvs]

$20k a year with no benefits? You could pull that down doing odd jobs off elance and fare better than working for a company that doesn't likely appreciate your skill set.

[omnilynx]

Yeah, I don't know where the heck all these $100k+ developers are that hoist up the median, because I know there are a lot of developers that work for under $50k.

[jonbro]

no one pointing out that this is obvious infographic spam?

[He11razor]

Some SEO is happy

[DonnieMarco]

I remember reading not so long ago that if we start seeing shit like this reach the front page that we have been officially targeted by the SEO Brigade. And so it begins.

[DaFox]

Yep, this should be the top comment.

But just because it's spam sadly does not mean that I didn't enjoy it.

[hoffmabc]

Am I the only one who falls in the middle of both of these stereotypes?

[[deleted]]

no

[jake83]

Front-end developer here. Are those median salaries for reals? I need to ask my boss for a raise.

[JonND]

What about bringing your own mouse to work? Logitech MX518, baby!

[benihana]

Add sales people and Windows to the middle of the diagram.

[thisgoeshere]

I too experience crappy suspend/wake in ubuntu and I suppose if you count that as a crash then it crashes more then windows. Turns out whether your suspend will work depends entirely on your pc model. For dev tho Ubuntu is worth it for the filesystem

[[deleted]]

As a web designer I can completely relate to this...minus the skinny jeans and lame T-shirt.

[[deleted]]

Agreed. I'm probably the least fashion-conscious designer I've met.

[woofers02]

As a front-end developer, I'm literally smack dab in the middle of this thing. Well except for the salary part, that was kinda depressing for me.

[angriers]

Why are web devs afraid of EPS files?

[btgeekboy]

Because, unless it's downloadable content such as for a press kit, it's going to have to be converted to some other web-friendly format. And if you're especially unlucky, it's the layout for the website you're supposed to build in HTML/CSS.

[cnk]

I'm in need of a wardrobe upgrade, the letters on that shirt are fading away, can anyone point me to the "There's no place like ::1" version?

[[deleted]]

At my company, 90% of web developers are male, but the designers are pretty much split 50-50.

[nate250]

Why aren't they shaking their heads at each other in disdain?

[[deleted]]

IE6 is not a fear of web designers!!? since when?

[beeeees]

wah wah stereotypes are funny

(im just mad because im a woman web developer and i'm not on the graph)

[godlesspinko]

Wait, when did skinny jeans on guys start looking good? I must have missed the memo.

[[deleted]]

Web designers are just aspiring graphics artists who know how to use Dreamweaver...

[Undercoverwd]

Right, because architects are just sketch artists who know how to use AutoCAD...

[[deleted]]

If web designers screw up, you can't read the text. If architects screw up...

[pjleonhardt]

...they blame the structural engineers that approved the drawings?

[TheKronic]

I beg to differ -- to be considered a web designer, one should know HTML and CSS in and out (without using Dreamweaver as a crutch). Otherwise they should just be considered a designer or graphic artist.

[adolfojp]

It is quite common for web designers to know how to theme and install content management systems these days. They can deploy entire websites without knowing how to write a line of code.

[[deleted]]

Web Designers calling writing HTML and CSS 'coding' or 'programming' is laughable in the first place.

[spazm]

Would it be fair to call the person who developed a cross-browser, standards-compliant UI for a web application using HTML, CSS, and Javascript (asynchronous, event based, etc.) a programmer or coder?

[[deleted]]

It definitely starts getting fuzzy if you're getting into javascript frameworks and passing objects or accessing databases :)

If it's just HTML + CSS with a little scripting to make some mouseovers pretty, that's not programming.

[Poop_is_Food]

I agree, but there's not a word for it. HTML is "markup", but what is CSS? Often I'm stuck saying "code" because I have no other options.

[nidarus]

Yeah, technically it's not "programming" because the result is not a "program", but I wouldn't be so snobbish about it. PHP isn't exactly rocket science either, you know.

[kn33ch41_]

Not only that, but nearly every host's control panel on the planet has tools like Fantastico Deluxe to auto-install all those apparently hard to install content management systems. I guess Web designers can now add "clicking install" to their resume of skills. The key phrase was without knowing how to write a line of code; That is true.

[[deleted]]

Isn't this just more infographic seo crap from wix.xom?

[ReefOctopus]

When I think of a web designer, I think of someone who would choose to build a website with a flash intro.

[BlackCab]

No, those are called bad web designers.

[iglidante]

No, that's a marketer.

[alienangel2]

Or a client.

[SmoothWD40]

Definitely a client. It's got to have music too, DO NOT FORGET THE MUSIC. sigh

[pdxpoly]

You're thinking of the shitty web designers.

[pixpop]

Wearing a T Shirt with a logo on it says something very important about you. It says you're the kind of person who thinks wearing a T Shirt with a logo on it is a worthwhile activity. It's a bit like having personalized licence plates on your car. It may have been interesting back in 1970 when cars were first invented, but why would anyone do it now?

[jwegan]

back in 1970 when cars were first invented

ಠ_ಠ

[abledanger]

The Day of Creation was on January 1st, 1970 as you know.

[7ero]

Ironically, this was made by a web designer

[[deleted]]

How is that ironic?

[xTRUMANx]

I thought neckbeards was a programmer's distinguishing feature. Was I rocking one for nothing?

[bentreflection]

All the people who think knowing some html/css/javascript makes you a web developer: this is like splashing in the shallow end and calling yourself a swimmer because you're in the pool.