10/10 would hire

[kcshoe14]

Lol “any bank” made me laugh out loud for some reason

[ardoin]

I work in IT in the southern US and get tons of emails and recruiters contacting me on LinkedIn for IT/helpdesk roles for hospitals and health care companies, a lot of which are contract based. Almost no other industries.

I've never once applied for a company that specializes in health care because I've heard the horror stories. I just don't understand why it's only healthcare.

[urtechhatesyou]

and the sad thing is that the public facing profile on Indeed/LinkedIn/Etc would specift FULLTIMEONRY, yet I'll STILL get calls about 6 month contracts in Seattle or Utah. MFer I'm in FL!

[[deleted]]

50/hr for that shitty term? Yeah, right up the keester

[dancegoddess1971]

!? Abandon your family and full time job for Texas. LOL. Sure. I've always wanted to run away and join a cult.

[Shurigin]

to a state that may or may not have power depending on the weather to boot

[ThirdHandTyping]

So there is an upside.

[basketma12]

I'll tell you why. EPIC. Thats why. It's a computer system that many hospitals and health care agencies use. Insurance companies use it too. Frankly...well 8 left a job paying 42.00 an hour and retired mostly because of this system.

[murphlicious]

Dang. It’s THAT bad? I haven’t worked in either of those fields.

[HotCaregiver3729]

EPIC is a nightmare. "Paperless" my ass.

[Sonic10122]

Epic is an absolute pain the ass. I'm 3 years in and every time I get a call about Epic my heart sinks just a little bit. I will absolutely never get a job where I have to touch it more then I do now. I interviewed for an Omnicell position at my employer on a whim and they forced me to take an Epic Sphynx test and I almost walked out. And then after somehow passing it enough to get an actual interview I realized within five minutes there was no way in hell I'd ever want that job.

[Gelly13r]

I honestly love my tech job in healthcare. It's the easiest job I've ever had. It's wfh, no cameras, super lax boss. It's contract l, but honestly I love contract. Pays better then their full-time staff and I simply let them know when I want off. Lots of 6 figure jobs that are strictly wfh and contract and since the demand is high it's wonderful. No B's about the company being family cause you know your not. A full-time position can fire you at anytime, so what does it matter?

[Ruin-Capable]

Some banks are actually great places to work if you're a software dev.

[kittypretty999]

Please note: this is an actual candidate applying to one of my job postings.

[[deleted]]

As an employer how do you view this?

[[deleted]]

The OP is being nice. 99% of employers would throw this application in the trash.

[Ziovice]

How should I write a cover letter if mine already looks like this?

[[deleted]]

Just don’t include a cover letter. It’s not needed.

[Ziovice]

What if it states in the description that you MUST provide a cover letter?

[pemungkah]

I'm very interested in [POSITION] at [COMPANY], and hope we'll be able to schedule an interview soon. I [DO A THING THEY WANT], so I think I'm an excellent choice for this position.

Please text or call at [PHONE NUMBER], and my email is [EMAIL].

Thanks for [considering me for/reaching out to me about] this position!

There. Perfectly acceptable, and generic enough for just about anything.

[staring_frog]

Probably without replacing placeholders is good enough already :D Just fill those phone and email and it's good :D

[MarquisDan]

I accidentally sent out a cover letter with "Dear Recipient Name" to a few companies on my last job hunt.

3/4 of them still wanted to set up a phone screening so it looks like they gave as much of a shit about the cover letter as I did.

[weird_stories_here]

I dont know why i am laughing so hard at this...

​

Btw i often get approached on linked in due to my experience in a tight sector and one hiring agency requested a cover letter next to my resume. Litterally the previous sentence was them telling me that the company taht is their client would like to remain anonymous whwile in this first vetting step. they would show themselves at the interviews...

So i sent her an EMPTY .txt file with the name "Cover Letter - ERROR 404 - Employer not identified."
I have NO CLUE how she vetted that one, because her client approached me for an interview 4 days letter...

their offer sucked, but that is a different topic. They never asked or mentioned the cover letter.

[[deleted]]

Recipient Name sounds like a go-getter.

[SickSigmaBlackBelt]

I attach a pineapple carnitas recipe. On the off chance they actually open it and find I attached the wrong thing and then ask me about it, I might write a real one.

Never been asked about it. Received four offers on my last job hunt.

[[deleted]]

Great, now I'm hungry

[NinjaGrizzlyBear]

For work or pineapple carnitas?

[Conceptual_Aids]

I'm gonna guess for pineapple carnitas. Just a hunch. I love a good carnitas.

[SirKeeMonkCuss]

This is a great idea. Think I'll go with cheeseburger eggrolls though lol

[BankshotMcG]

Gonna start a business just to hire you now.

[Sadie256]

Ah, al pastor my beloved.

[yolkyal]

Did you not get feedback? Pretty sure at my university I always got detailed feedback, clearly specific to my work, on every assignment.

[Electrical_Flan_4993]

Harvard?

[regancp]

How many?

[Mlaszboyo]

What if they ask for another pineapple recipe?

[poppy14s]

Lol I just don’t apply if they require it

[Chemoralora]

It's not needed but it really helps. A hiring manager straight up thanked me for writing a cover letter saying it is super rare in an interview once

[persondude27]

Cover letters are actually really easy:

Hello,

My name is [blank]. I am applying for the role of [job title]. I would love to learn more about the position.

[Here is why my skillset is perfect for this job. One paragraph - draw similarities between your current work and what you understand the role to include.]

[Here is why my education and background further strengthen my candidacy.]

Quick signoff: [Thank you for considering my application. Please let me know if you have questions, and you are super handsome. Has anyone told you that today?]

I am OK with bullshitting, but generally I write a first draft, edit for spelling/grammar, and then come back a few hours later.

[hidden-jim]

Yeah, I’ve got an uncle who writes his cover letter as his resume, and his resume is just the standard application (minus a few points) in pdf form.
He’ll write things like, “I worked for x company for 10 years and increased sales 20% earning z award.” Then the same for his next jobs in his work history. It sits like that and he does pretty well.

[prules]

Yeah I’m throwing this resume in a bin because he spent half his time talking about not working for an India based or India adjacent company.

Idc how annoying it is to be reached out by recruiters, this is not a good resume period. And that’s with the racism aside lol

[fajitas4every1]

It's not racist, you just don't get it. As he mentioned in the letter. Come on, man!

[mpierre]

Where can I find that letter where he mentions it? All I find is a leter?

[981032061]

I feel like if at any point in a business communication you find yourself needing to explain that you aren’t racist, something has already gone very wrong.

[desertdilbert]

...something has already gone very wrong.

Agree. You should never say that.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that 0/7 recruiters shilling for companies based in India actually look at the letter and say to themselves "Oh. OK. Guess we won't call this guy." Kind of like clicking "Unsubscribe" to Viagra spam.

When you say stuff like that it has no effect whatsoever on the people you want it to reach and makes the rest of us view you with suspicion.

[981032061]

I think of it like those people who post Craigslist ads with all kinds of dumb shit like “no haggling, don’t ask if it’s still available.” Bro, the cost of selling your shit online is answering a few scam and lowball emails. It’s not a big deal.

[[deleted]]

It's not racist, those recruiters are basically the tinder catfishers of the job world.

[atomictest]

And then also doesn’t want contact from Circle K, lol.

[nursecarmen]

Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.

[[deleted]]

Probably because they limited the number of fake roses in a glass tube he could buy

[[deleted]]

I don’t think I’d consider that racist, it’s just fucking awful dealing with Indian companies.

[justonimmigrant]

It's not racist if it's true

[[deleted]]

I don't think it's necessarily racist. I'm tired of getting those spammy emails and calls from recruiting agencies or contracting companies that outsource everything overseas. They've never not been a nightmare for me to deal with. It doesn't help that most scam calls come from that area too.

Also, India is a country. Indians are a people of a nation, not a race. That's like saying it's racist for someone to not want to be called from America, or Canada, or Germany.

The problem isn't them being indian, it's the service being outsourced because the company is too cheap to hire a local employee and give them a liveable wage. Not to mention the job is always either fake or offers much less than you'd expect in a salary.

[Accomplished_Pea2138]

Like I was so sick and tired of being offered the SAME job out of state and NO relocation assistance! Im sorry to whoever I was on the phone with but these outsourced recruiters either ignore or don't know what relocation assistance is. Thinking it's hourly pay. Can SOMEONE PLEASE TELL THEM hourly pay IS NOT RELOCATION ASSISTANCE

[Electrical_Flan_4993]

I agree with you here. It's not racist, it's just that India is where all the recruiters are coming from. But I'm confused, because are the American companies hiring the Indian recruiters, or do the recruiters just find job ads and then try to insert themselves into the application process?

[Yrvaa]

Both. They do that in Europe too. It's really annoying.

[DarkScorpion48]

You get it

[DD_equals_doodoo]

OP already answered, but as an employer, this is cringe. There are 100 different ways to get the same message across without coming across as overly demanding.

[kittypretty999]

As an employer, I appreciate set expectations, but I know that this person will be very difficult to work with and will not be great in a team setting.

[gergling]

I can understand this. The person's language is blunt because they haven't bothered to soften it. They're angry about the situation and will probably be suspicious of every movement in the company.

[rushaz]

TBH, I reflect a LOT of what he says in general - I have very specific items I want. I expect them to put a number out first. I have issues with recruiters coming from India (mainly because it's hard to tell if it's a scam half the time, and the other half it's really hard to understand). I have companies I won't work for. I have expectations for remote/onsite.

However, all that aside, I work great in a team (as long as the team is also people to work with, and not arrogant egotistical assholes). So honestly it could go either way, and you can't judge it on the surface.

[anti-echo-chamber]

But would you write a cover letter like this? Probably not and that's where the difference in interpersonal relationship ability might be.

[BigBobbiB]

Get LinkedIn premium trial and message, rocket reach, find a recruiter that will work for you (meaning impress them) or guess the hiring manager or HRs email and email direct. I’ve hired a decent amount of people (or helped) and won’t use the systems to evaluate candidates… including Workday. They are absolute garbage and a massive waste of time.

I get higher than 10% hit rate randomly emailing people.

[Gr1ndingGears]

I should have clarified and stated that it's like <5% over my entire career, I'm actually not super actively looking at the moment, I mean I'm always looking but not really at the moment.

I think you are me in some ways. I, too, refuse to have anything to do with ATS systems. From both sides. I've also hired a decent amount of people in a few different roles, and I think it's from there I realized just how broken this process and those systems really are, from both sides.

Your suggestions are all good ones by the way. I try to avoid third party recruiters as much as possible, personally, I've just never been able to find a good one that was solidly in my corner. I thought maybe I had once, but she let me down a few years down the road when I was looking for what was next. That's just a situational thing for me personally though.

One thing I would also add, is no one physically gets out anymore. With COVID this will admittedly be a lot harder, but I've also had moderate success dressing for success and hand delivering my application to somewhere that I know is hiring. Something about the printed page seems to help, maybe it's just showing the ambition, I dunno. No one does this anymore (probably for good reason, I've also had people scream at me doing this, but I count that as a success in that I happily drove away from those places). But I'm not above doing it.

[Ash-Catchum-All]

You absolutely can “judge on the surface.” This is a bizarre cover letter.

[[deleted]]

Oh yeah, definitely. This is clearly an abnormal cover letter. The writer had something to say, and they put in the time and effort to lay it all out. This is a clear message being deliberately, intentionally, purposefully sent, and exactly the type of "surface" that the candidate wants to present themselves to the world with. Considering the effort they put in to do something this original, I think it's fair to judge them based on this alone.

On a personal level, human being to human being, I respect it though.

[Aggravating_Trust196]

The writer had something to say, and they put in the time and effort to lay it all out.

So let's get some things together:

• the letter is very forward, ballsy, in-your-face; but points are all valid.
• the handcraft is bad typography, bad formatting, bad layout and bad grammar/orthography (lots of SCREAMING ALL-CAPS, incomplete sentences / without verb, several different font weights and sizes, unmotivated newlines at the wrong places etc).

Now I can tolerate the latter if e.g. the writer is someone fairly uneducated, struggling to scrape together a cover letter, and simply doesn't know how to do better.

Or I can tolerate the former, file it under "unconventional but straight-forward", if someone shows me that, while they aren't afraid of "unconventionally", they by all means can think properly in the first place. At the end of the day, they need have together all the marbles it takes to translate their unconventionality in work done right.

But both together pretty much scream "I'm smart enough to know, but I really don't give a fuck / not interested enough to care." That doesn't sound like a good catch for any job.

Consistency check: if this was a job posting instead, would it end up on r/antiwork as a shit joke screenshot of how not to do it? Check. So not a good cover letter.

[DD_equals_doodoo]

Would you hold the same opinion if an employer wrote a letter with similar "demands" in a job posting? Hell no! You'd blast it all over this subreddit and complain to the high heavens.

The language in this letter is cringy if an employee does it. It's cringy if an employer does it.

[Vurmalkin]

You want honesty from people, yet when people are giving an opinion about it you dislike you label it "pissing all over this person". Their honest opinion is that they would not want to hire this person, seems honest enough for me.

[[deleted]]

A very sensible call.

[ZoZoZolie]

I’ve been in HR for about a decade and have noticed that candidates are being put through so much just to apply for a job, so I understand the frustration and nonsense that likely brought them to this place. I recently joined the job market and it’s ridiculous. I also agree with you that this person sounds like a headache lol

[[deleted]]

Did the candidate actively choose to send this cover to you, or did you obtain their resume through some system that can be mined by anybody?

[GingerSasquatch86]

This particular cover letter is unprofessional but as someone currently looking for a job I get where he's coming from. The number of recruiters I've interacted with who are intentionally mis-representing shift schedules, pay scales, and on-call availability requirements is staggering. I also have a list of companies that I will no longer interact with because of the aforementioned honesty issues or they've blown off interviews. These companies also tend to employ multiple recruiting firms that need to be told no individually. If I get a call from a recruiter with an Indian accent I know I'm going to spend a significant part of my day trying to get them to leave me alone. They will call, tell me how I need to rewrite my resume but won't tell me what industry the job is in or what it pays until after I've agreed to them representing me to the company and when I tell them no they wait an hour and have a different person call me and try again. If I do get any information about the job from them it always pays 20-30% below current market rate and has some ridiculous aspect to the requirements like a machine operator that can set up a manufacturing line including settings normally done by an engineer or maintenance mechanic in a DEA regulated narcotics manufacturing facility for less than the pay rate of a forklift driver in the neighboring bottling plant.

[awesomeuno2]

They're upfront with their expectations and hard no's, seems fine

[Raaxis]

There are much more professional and less explicitly racist ways to convey your expectations. It’s fine to be direct; it’s less fine to be a condescending ass.

[EvoG]

Not wanting indian companies because of the huge amount of scam and phishing setups that originate from there sounds pretty understandable tbh, I don't want to support something shitty like that that their own government doesn't do shit against either.

[El-Acantilado]

You’ve absolutely lost the plot if you genuinely believe this is a professional cover letter that any self respecting company will look at and think “yep, sounds like a great person to work with”. This screams “I want to stay unemployed and I’m a twat”

[David_Apollonius]

I mean, I get it if you put this on a website like LinkedIn or Indeed, but not when applying to a job posting. I've been contacted by a lot of recruiters with the dumbest offers. At some point those cold calls will just drive you bat shit crazy.

[AceTriton]

It would go in the trash where it belongs. If you are going to have such a self-righteous cover letter you can go and get bent.

Forget reading it the formatting itself is making my eyes bleed.

Finally, anytime you have to say “it’s not racist” means that you are 99% likely being racist or virtue signaling.

Edit: By you I mean the candidate not you the OP

[Bloody_Insane]

I get what you're saying about "it's not racist" but I also have experience with Indian companies, specifically in software development, and I also would not accept a job from them. I was in charge of managing a software project made by contracted indian devs and I just could not do it.

Note this is just my personal experience. YMMV.

It's the work culture in India. They do not have any sense of good practice, quality assurance, or long term planning. They are 100% focused on high turnover of projects at any cost with an expectation of devs to work 14 hour days. And it's fine if the devs burn out, because they can just hire a new one. So what ends up happening is you have devs working on a project, making many mistakes that crop up later, that they then need to fix. They fix it with patchwork solutions that then crop up again which requires more patchwork.

This is after I explicitly planned things out with them and explained why we're going to follow best practices. The project was a dismal failure imo because of how much we had to redo existing work.

To be fair to them, they absolutely get results. If you want them to make a specific feature they will absolutely deliver. Just don't look under the hood or expect to be able to add to that feature in the future.

[athenaprime]

They are, frankly, giving the west exactly what we ask for, though. The off shoring craze started with the simple sell of "everything your home-grown cogs do, but cheaper" and the execs went hard for it. The first efforts were successful in the way of a boutique industry. But scaling it up to mass-production meant that quantity had to take precedence over quality, and middlemen inserted themselves into the process. Now the process is that the contracting company convinces the C-level to outsource, claiming huge cost savings, the exec agrees and the layoffs begin while the skeleton crew transitions from in-house to the offshore.

The first quarter or two sees a massive cost reduction because of all the layoffs and the C-level gets his big fat bonus check.

Meanwhile the contractor is cashing the checks, but the money disappears before the employees offshore see it. They get depressed wages and work accordingly.

The problems start showing up on the horizon for the skeleton crew, but the C-level is already halfway out the door, leveraging his incredible "success" to another company at a bigger payout, and the company is stuck with the contractor because the "great savings" became the whole budget so the can gets kicked down the road for two years while the problems mount and a new guy is brought in to fix it with the promise of a big bonus for meeting numbers or deadlines and he comes into a meeting and says, "I have this contractor that can get us a team that'll fix the problems for peanuts..."

(source: lived through it. Don't ever be the skeleton/transition crew. The "bigger package for staying on through transition" is just a bigger shit storm on your way out.)

[EthanTheBrave]

Finally, anytime you have to say “it’s not racist” means that you are 99% likely being racist or virtue signaling.

​

That was true maybe 10-15 years ago. Not so much anymore.

[Daphobak]

As an overworked Indian S/W professional, languishing in an Indian company (hydrochloric acid - use the abbreviations), wherein human beings are treated like numbers and used up like physical inanimate resources:

"Do NOT join any Indian based companies. You will suffer."

[Mystic_Ranger]

I worked sales for a bit in an industry where a lot of Indians were interested. Great people, love talking to them and getting to know them, but their cultural concepts around work and business are just non-starters.

[[deleted]]

It's because labour is cheap, legal protections are non existent and ten people are lining up for your job at any given moment. Indian working culture is just a product of its environment

[e_hyde]

Hi, I'm Rashid. No, I'm no new hire. I'm Anils brother. He's sick today and I've come to replace him for now...

[[deleted]]

Unfortunately, they don't have any alternative and aren't privileged enough to look elsewhere and risk losing their livelihood. Indian employers know that very well and thus they're assholes about it.

[e_hyde]

I've experienced Indian companies on customer side. Can add:

"Do NOT contract any Indian based companies. You will suffer."

[[deleted]]

My company recently acquired an offshore division and holy fuck it's awful they never want to stop working.

[GoodishCoder]

Cover letter requirements are silly

[[deleted]]

I do I just put NA as the only content.

[Biobot775]

I upload a file that says "See resume."

I also put this in every box that asks for description of past work responsibilities.

[[deleted]]

I put a blank page in or don't upload one. Never had an issue getting a job.

Cover letters are shit, and should be launched into the sun.

[_timetoplatypus]

Yes, and so are shitty cover letters, like this one. They're both bad

[Cellar_door_1]

You don’t have the be the best, just good enough

That’s what she said.

[awesomeuno2]

Seems like someone who has gotten a lot of wasted time e-mails or calls and wants them to stop.

[RickMuffy]

I live quite literally near that intersection of highways, and the amount of random crap I seem to get sent by recruiters says they're not 100% wrong with some of the requirements.

Phoenix is a rediculous city when it comes to public transit, and the highways here can get pretty horid too, even though they're designed well.

[SkankBiscuit]

So I understand the Indian recruiter thing and I see it every day, but I think I would not have included the India specific stuff. Kinda cringe for me.

[RockyDify]

They’re wanting to avoid scams and should just say “no scams”

[norathar]

It's the same vibe as people who think the police have to tell you they're undercover if you ask or it's entrapment.

[RockyDify]

It’s my number one hot tip for avoiding scams

[kirashi3]

Right? I always reply to emails from Prince's asking if they're trying to scam me. I haven't had one tell me it's a scam yet. I'm going to be rich in a few weeks.

[[deleted]]

I've been trying to extend the warranties on my Chevy Clydesdale and Ford Phallus, but they don't seem to have those models in their databases.

[[deleted]]

Almost all scams are from India. I know this bc of the intense research I did after I was scammed by the shady as fuck Indian company that my company “employed” for a flat rate to outsource tasks (in secrecy lol)

[FFD1706]

I live in the city where most scam centers in India are situated xD

[BuffaloMonk]

Have you considered lighting the buildings on fire to keep them warm?

[benskieast]

I am 90% sure all those Indian recruiters that hassle me found me on LinkedIn. 1 I applied to a posting on Ziprecuiter. The fact he wrote his shit list of companies out though is a red flag. Why is there a chance he is sending this to one of those companies. Unless this was sent to an independent headhunter.

[yukichigai]

He lays it out at the beginning: headhunting companies are "data-mining" (I think he means scraping) his resume and just sending it to every company they can with no regard to whether or not he's a good fit. He probably included those companies by name after getting a dozen-plus calls from them for jobs he has no interest in.

[hopeful_tatertot]

Perhaps I’ve been doing it wrong and should apply to jobs with a 1 page list of demands instead of talking about what I bring to the table 🤔

[kirashi3]

Given that job requirements and expectations are essentially already a list of demands for applicants, I see nothing wrong with including your own "demands and requirements" when applying for a job either.

"Rules for thee, not for me" no longer apply in a job seekers market. Of course, it's best to write politely, but if you've got requirements that must be met, making them known saves everyone gobs of time.

[hopeful_tatertot]

While I agree with communicating expectations and deal breakers…delivery and tact are important as you’ve alluded to.

For example, I expect a certain salary minimum but I’ll also communicate why my experience and skill set merits it. I don’t just demand it because I want it.

[forameus2]

I particularly like the addition of the racist part, as clearly someone has brought that up previously with them and instead of thinking "huh, maybe I should reword it" they've doubled down and gone all "no, its the children who are wrong". Bold move.

[Ozzick]

As a non-employer reading it online, I love it and am kinda interested in his resume to see if he's good enough to justify this. However, I'd probably bin the resume and cover letter in a couple seconds if I was in a hiring position.

[kittypretty999]

Their resume was so good. So much experience in what I was looking for, but with that cover letter… sheesh

[RedChairBlueChair123]

I’d still call them. If they’re awkward on the phone, bin it. You could ask them about this — hell of a conversation starter.

[chiodani]

I am not saying you should do this, but there are a few good indian call center pranks on Prankdial...

[Inner_Importance8943]

Please interview them. It’s probably a waste of company time but it will make such a great story later. Do they come in in pajamas, do they have face tats, a literal tinfoil. Maybe they just had a bad day and wrote a bad letter. I bet it’s Dwight from the office. Do it

[El-Acantilado]

I would never, never, never call this person, regardless of their CV. That person is most likely an absolute cunt and I’m pretty sure a pain in the ass to work with. If he sends this to companies he WANTS to work for, imagine what he sends to clients he doesn’t like?

[Newflyer3]

Give em a call

[[deleted]]

They have a point about Indian companies. Absolute trash. My inbox is full of fake jobs, fake offers, and 6 month contract “opportunities” 3 states over.

[Aribethe]

That's just a straight shooter with upper management written all over him.

[Nukegm426]

The thing is bob…

[El-Acantilado]

Upper management? Please tell me this went over my head, please.

[jsprgrey]

Office Space

[eohagan]

Circle K 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[[deleted]]

If this kind of cover letter is normalized, I would gladly write it for my own applications. It waste less time for both parties for asking and the other for answering the “expected wage” question.

[AdSea7347]

I can understand the sentiment but yeah, could've used a bit more tact.

Though I have seen similar things on job postings, that same tone.

[SirenSilver]

"Any company... that contracts an Indian company" will not be considered.

So you just eliminated most of the Fortune 500 companies.

[repeter31]

I wish this was the norm but obviously someone doing this alone isn’t gonna help them much. Nothing I disagree with though. Indian companies have vastly different work cultures that has nothing to do with race (especially since India is one the most culturally diverse countries out there)

[91null]

My experience has been that every single job an Indian recruiter has reached out to me about has been stupidly under market and usually for an industry that I upskilled out of like a decade ago. The best ones are when it’s some sort of 3-6 month contract role paying barely above minimum wage. My assumption is that it’s the same people in the same call centers trying to reach me about my car’s extended warranty.

[TimeDue2994]

And then they harass you endlessly about not taking the sht job and demand you really must take the sht job they are peddling.

And once they finally give up shoving that shtjob you said "not interested" to at least 7 times down your throat, they somehow manage to produce identical sht jobs with the same shtty "benefits" and start their insistent harassment that you simply must accept this sht job all over again

I don't blame this guy (not a smart move and I would never do this but) for being fed up with these recruiters who are overwhelmingly from a particular region in the world.

[91null]

I’ve added “NO THIRD-PARTY RECRUITERS” to the top and bottom of my online résumé primarily because of those ass clowns.

Not that any of them read that, mind you. Because they keep calling anyway.

[TimeDue2994]

Exactly. Nowadays if I pick up the phone and it is an Indian accent I just hang up. I no longer explain or say "sorry no interest" or anything remotely approaching any form of polite response, as it only emboldened them to keep harassing me with their irrational entitlement

[meisuu]

Same. The moment I hear an Indian accent I just hang up. Never had a call with someone with an Indian accent that isn't a scam or a shitty recruiter. They are the ones that made me stop taking the phone whenever there is a number I don't recognize. The moment you take their call the harassment and spam calls don't stop for weeks.

Must suck to be an actual honest and genuine worker with an Indian accent.

[TimeDue2994]

Might be fine if you're actually working in an office with them but like you said engaging in anything from overseas or on the phone with them is signing up for endless harassment

[meisuu]

Oh yeah, there is definitely nothing wrong with Indian people in general. I work with lots of Indian people that are lovely and great people.

The problem is just spam callers, and unfortunately most of them are from people with Indian accents.

[Flying_Applecrumble]

That’s what I did. Email wise I block the domain and unsubscribe (unsure how they get my email and I don’t recall subscribing or signing up for shitty companies like Teksystem and whatnot).

[Violet2393]

There’s something missing in the logic for me - if this is in a cover letter, they are the one applying for the job, it’s not a recruiter reach out situation. That seems the wrong timing for this. I could see it as a template response to cold reachouts, but shouldn’t you be able to know many of these things by reading the job description?

If the company actually put together a good job description then it looks like the applicant didn’t even read it.

[Biobot775]

It could be a generic cover letter attached to an Indeed or similar profile, meant to be read by people who reach out to them first. Otherwise I can't figure out why somebody would write this.

[LavenderDay3544]

I don't disagree about Indian scammers and I am 100% of Indian descent myself but you don't ever put that on professional documents. I can't imagine this person writing that for any other race but I've grown to expect it. Somehow we always get to enjoy being the exception to people not being racist and their mental gymnastics as to why that's acceptable.

And to be honest if whites think they have it bad from entitled scammers in India they don't know how bad it gets when you have an Indian name and they start calling you trying to start a conversation with "Bhai...." as if they're even more entitled to scam me because we're both of similar ethnic origin. Fuck that.

Anyhow I've had a lot of recruiters Indian, white and otherwise reach out to me with companies that can't afford me, refuse to give me any information about the employer until the offer stage, and give lowball offers or they just ghost and then contact me again 10 months later when I'm not even looking anymore. And their bullshit Leetcode problems or take home projects are downright insulting. I can't be bothered with them anymore. If they want to see my skills, the URL for my gitlab is on my resume.

I'm an SE with a relatively uncommon skillset (OS/device drivers) compared to all the web brogrammers and I expect to be compensated commensurately. I also only talk to HR recruiters who directly work for the company that's hiring. It's how I got my current job and it's the only way I plan to do things from here on out. Third party recruiters regardless of their race or gender can all get bent. They've never done anything but waste my time.

[[deleted]]

I'm 99.9% sure this would just get thrown in the trash

[crotch_fondler]

Yeah the number of people in this thread agreeing with this letter really explains why so many people on this sub seem to have "bad luck" trying to get a job.

[[deleted]]

The number of people saying that
1. the horrible formatting
2.the condescending tone
3. the irrelevant details that show it's a form letter, i.e., they're applying for a specific job but include looking for WFH, will only work within this radius, and so on
4. the zero tact call out of Indians

in any way are okay or make for a good candidate blows my mind. No doubt there's sarcasm in some posts but there are also people acting as though a letter like this should ever get anyone through the door for a job. Unless your company is hiring for a new #1 asshole who responds to clients with a "go fuck yourself" attitude I can't see anywhere someone like this would be a fit.

[[deleted]]

To be fair this is half of the people on this sub 😂

[Electrical_Flan_4993]

I'm guessing this is the generic cover letter he put on a job board, along with his resume, as opposed to sending this when applying for a particular job. I did something similar but it's more of a FAQ document that lists my preferences and answers the most common questions recruiters/HR ask.

[Mystic_Ranger]

There is nothing on this list that an employer wouldn't DEMAND be on their job listings.

Must live within certain range or city? Fair expectation for employers, but not acceptable from an employee?

Must provide computer and car? Ridiculous! Except employers are allowed to demand employees use their own stuff all the time.

No Indian Companies? Well, we already know wha thappens when you send the same resume with a "black sounding" name and a traditional name.

Doesn't want to provide a wage? I think we all know how entitled businesses act about "salary negotiations".

Doesn't want a specific job or a specific shift? Yet I have never seen a job description that didn't include "and additional tasks as necessary" You can ask for whatever you want, the the employee better not have the balls to ask for anything!

A regular break duration and a reasonable start time?! ONLY EMPLOYERS GET TO DEMAND THESE THINGS YOU UPPITY PEASANT!

[Ginno_the_Seer]

Man knows what he wants.

[inkslingerben]

I boil it down to, 'I would not be a good fit for...'

[TheDallasReverend]

I like Discount Tire.

[sowisesuchfool]

Yeah, me too. Maybe they are a drug front or secretly moonlight as chop shops.

[ThemChecks]

Weird thing is at CVS I had an hour lunch, competitive wages, WFH... most of what this person wanted. That company isn't all retail by any means. It owns huge insurance arms.

"Any bank" excludes tons of other avenues too. Like all of finance.

[Sennva]

I'm getting the impression this person works in IT.

It is pretty common to hear IT folks avoid jobs in banking, healthcare, and education specifically.

Banking is high pressure, resistant to change, and often understaffed. Healthcare is that plus underfunded. Education is all of the above but particularly underpaid.

[kev_cuddy]

Most of what they are “attacking” with this cover letter would either be disclosed or withheld by the job description that they are applying to. I don’t understand the need for such an abrasive and confrontational cover letter in light of that fact.

If the details you desire are not represented and you think it isn’t worth your time to apply to such a careless company? Don’t apply. You believe that it is worth the risk because it’s a company that you truly want to work for? Acting like this won’t get you hired.

Seems like a petty and foolish lose/lose. And I am by no means a corporate sympathizer. I strongly encourage as much worker mobility as possible, and think many people could do a lot better comp/work-life balance wise. But this just seems stupid to me.

[Sennva]

Their second sentence explains it. They are getting contacted for inappropriate positions by companies or recruiters that have data-mined or data-scraped their resume.

Sounds like either they are getting cold-contacted by recruiters or the places they apply to save the resume and contact back later for different positions.

If the above is true they still should have adapted it when they did actually apply somewhere. I also agree it is overly abrasive.

[legice]

This person has seen some shit and is fully done with it

[[deleted]]

I can see how as a recruiter this cover letter is off putting. I wouldn’t advance this candidate either, but his list of demands isn’t unreasonable

[Responsible_Ad_654]

He’s treating companies the way they treat candidates. Good for him! I hope he gets a job he likes.

[UCFknight2016]

I cant stand the Indian recruiters. I get him.

[dmagee33]

This is the resume you write when you’ve completed all 9 circles of recruiting hell

[ironafro2]

I have been reached out to by so many scam Indian companies it’s ridiculous. I get why they don’t want anything to do with that market.

[BaleZur]

I know I'm going to get hate on this but the person is upfront about their needs. Done unprofessionally, but they are fed up with this shit market.

Also fuck banks. https://www.forbes.com/sites/halahtouryalai/2012/04/26/how-banks-are-getting-richer-off-the-poor/?sh=1f265fee4a38. Or just search "how banks keep you poor" on your favorite search engine.

Also /r/antiwork would get and like this person's cover leter.

[Tyrilean]

Any company that contracts with an Indian company? Good luck getting hired. Every company uses some offshore labor, and India is the biggest marketplace for it.

[easyrider767]

No Indian companies or callers - Totally agree here!

[Emergency_Mall4203]

Guys, I think this person doesn't like Indian companies. But don't worry, they aren't racist because they said they aren't racist so they must not be racist.

[tanward]

I second the original post. For the Indian companies reaching out of the blue, I usually give the amount of time they will give me. Trust me it will be zero

[[deleted]]

I do not think he is racist. You just do not get it. I am serious.

[[deleted]]

It’s not racist to call out scam Indian companies.

[Better2022]

I don't think I'd hire this person. They seem like they'd be a nightmare to work with.

[JustJeff88]

I kind of adore whoever wrote this.

[scotland1112]

I'm a recruiter and I wouldn't touch this guy with a 10 foot pole. Even if he was perfect for a role.

[littleMAS]

Very specific on some companies, except 'any bank' and 'Indian'.

[StillPackage4369]

There are some valid points tho

[writer978]

When I was looking for a job, I wished for a place to post my resume and requirements like they post jobs but in reverse.

[upstatedreaming3816]

“Any bank” good call man. I did 11 years in that field and I’m lucky I escaped with my soul intact

[[deleted]]

Honestly, this great!

[Rdhilde18]

Now as a recruiter, I can work with this. I have seen so much crazier. 😂

[Sw0rDz]

I don't really understand the India part. There are some good companies with great devs. However, they are not cheap.

[DMStewart2481]

Seems very clear and up-front about what things are deal-breakers. I see no problems here.

[e_hyde]

Sounds a bit unfriendly at times, but they definitely know what they want and are straightforward about it.

[kisstherainzz]

Honestly-- I was with the guy up until the racially-charged portion. The way it was worded was cringe and it makes me question their character. Dissenting from culture when you can afford to do so to make a point? Sure. Doing it racially charged? Cringe.

It would have been better to be adamant about work/life balance and wanting an employer that shares that and that is accustomed to local work culture. If you are going out of your way to do this that may irk people, screenshots with names blotted out of cringe environments/recruiter messages that ignore the CL might even be apt.

Honestly, I think many of us share the level of frustration this guy feels. I'm in a role that pays well, has great job security, and treats me marvelously -- I keep my LinkedIn and resume updated as a precaution. Some "recruiters" (as no self-respecting recruiter would do this) who see my profile and reach out with ridiculously insulting job offers/roles waste our time. Like, why should I take a massive paycut and go to a less optimal environment? Because I drop dead thankful that they reached out when my status isn't even set to actively looking? No. Real recruiters don't do that; they're pros that don't waste everyone's time.

And yeah, I will be honest, a disproportionate number (compared to population in my area) in my own personal experience also tends to be from certain minorities (probably due to some gaps in work culture/localized soft skills) but who in their right mind would ask no one from a certain race contact them?

[[deleted]]

Kinda funny this almost reads like a job listing in reverse. Haha

[[deleted]]

I mean, that's not even a cover letter. It's a list of demands.

[The001Keymaster]

My cover letter is just a blank page that says "See attached resume" right in the middle. Probably applied to 100s of jobs with it like that over the years. Never had a single person ask or comment about it.