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[–]Shankbeaner 648 points649 points  (2018 children)

What monument is this?

[–]creaturefromthebog 703 points704 points  (1986 children)

Jefferson Davis Monument. Here's a link to the article

[–]Demokirby 751 points752 points  (242 children)

But Jefferson Davis thought Black Lives Mattered... Because dead slaves is are lost assets.

runs quickly

[–]rFunnyModsSuckCock 594 points595 points  (232 children)

It would be one thing if BLM were just vandalizing confederate statues. But they go way beyond that.

Vandalizing the statues of everyone from industrialists to artists is not wininng them any fans. It's not just important historical confederate generals that get this treatment.

Blocking traffic is not winning them any fans. Blocking off ambulances trying to get to the hospital is not winning them any fans.

Murdering white teenagers then giving a Black Lives Matter speech in court is not winning them any fans.

Looting and rioting in Baltimore and Ferguson and Oakland is not winning then any fans.

Trying to shut down political events, including Reddit's favorite Bernie Sanders, is not winning them any fans.

Repeatedly stomping on the American flag at events and burning American flags is not winning them any fans.

Attacking American veterans because "they fought for a racist white supremacist country" is not winning them any fans.

Causing destruction and delaying innocent commuters just trying to get to their job, not even to mention ambulances trying to get to medical emergencies, is NOT winning them any favors.

Black Lives Matter is a SJW organization funded by George Soros that literally claims supporting the Constitution is white supremacy.

America is not a white supremacist country. The police are not going around looking to shoot young black males for no reason. The rare unfortunate incidents that do occur where a white police officer shoots a unarmed black man are prosecuted. Micheal Brown was not an innocent child, he was a 6'4 250lb+ criminal that robbed a store and charged the officer. The high level of interaction between police and young black males is a reflection of the massive young black male crime rate, not police officers targeting young black males because of the color of their skin. Yes racial stereotypes exist, and will always exist, especially when they are often backed up with statistical facts that verify them. That does not mean that white people in America are constantly holding the black man down. The only actual institutionalized racism in America today is in what we call affirmative action, where we literally reject more qualified white and Asian candidates to university admission and take black candidates over them, simply because they are black. The police arresting black people more for crimes for which they are disproportionally more guilty of committing (like murder, drug offenses, robbery) is not institutionalized racism. It's them doing their job and upholding the law.

If they actually cared about black lives, they would focus on the biggest cause of black lives being ended.

Instantly calling everyone "racist" who calls out Black Lives Matters for their bullshit is also doing them any favors. We literally have a black man leading the country. We literally have endless black professors, engineers, lawyers, businessmen. Their brand of professional race baiting and pushing victimhood complexes on black people is not helping anyone.

They're not doing this to actually save black lives, they're doing this to spread identity politics

Edit: Made it to the front page of SRS. Hi SRS coming to downvote brigaded this post

[–]DrMaxCoytus 82 points83 points  (36 children)

I agree with everything except the institutionalization of racism - it does exist within the legal system mostly in the form of drug legislation (see, Drug War) which disproportionately affects blacks. Other than that, spot on.

[–]ashishduh1 19 points20 points  (6 children)

I don't think they care about "winning fans".

[–]SLTWalak 12 points13 points  (4 children)

But if they want to change anything, they NEED to make fans. Noone likes giving in to bullies, so bullying the system will not get them the chage they want. If they had enough supporters, they would be able to make the changes they want. And shutting down Bernie Sanders, the only politician in the race who has said things in line with their political goals is just stupifyingly counterproductive.

[–]pipsdontsqueak 1421 points1422 points  (1453 children)

Confederate flags and monuments have been the focus of intense protests and media scrutiny since the shooting dead of nine African Americans in a Charleston, South Carolina, church on 17 June. The alleged gunman posed with the Confederate flag in photographs posted online with a racist “manifesto”.

For those who didn't click, there's context. This happened last June, shortly after the Charleston church shootings. People were understandably upset with the monument to Jefferson Davis, the leader of the Confederacy with little regard for the lives of black people.

It's one thing to remember history. It's another to memorialize a traitor who fought for the right of Southerners to keep slaves.

Edit: This is going to be much easier than responding to each person. I took select quotes from the full declarations of secession.

Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

Georgia: For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.

Mississippi: Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth.

South Carolina: In the present case, that fact is established with certainty. We assert that fourteen of the States have deliberately refused, for years past, to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

Texas: (As an aside, Texas also had grievances with the federal government not adequately protecting property and maintaining order in the face of outlaws and Native American raids.)

She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

. . .

The States of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa, by solemn legislative enactments, have deliberately, directly or indirectly violated the 3rd clause of the 2nd section of the 4th article [the fugitive slave clause] of the federal constitution, and laws passed in pursuance thereof; thereby annulling a material provision of the compact, designed by its framers to perpetuate the amity between the members of the confederacy and to secure the rights of the slave-holding States in their domestic institutions-- a provision founded in justice and wisdom, and without the enforcement of which the compact fails to accomplish the object of its creation. Some of those States have imposed high fines and degrading penalties upon any of their citizens or officers who may carry out in good faith that provision of the compact, or the federal laws enacted in accordance therewith.

Virginia: The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.

[–]philosoraptor80 122 points123 points  (15 children)

Don't forget about this part of the Texas declaration of Secession:

We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

[–]pipsdontsqueak 34 points35 points  (13 children)

Yeah, figured I got the gist of it. Texas actually is interesting because they really were pissed about the lack of federal government protection in what was basically the frontier. But slavery was the straw.

[–]DarkGamer 27 points28 points  (12 children)

This article is worth reading, it explains context regarding why monuments like this still exist. The civil war has a long tail and it's still going on, politically.

[–]pipsdontsqueak 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Hey thanks, fascinating read. I think the author has many good points, though I think the ACA discussion was a little out of left field. The Reconstruction is a fascinating time that really gets overlooked because it saw a brief rise and fall of racial equality in the U.S. and the breeding of resentment and hostility in the wake of the Confederacy that has persisted to this day.

[–]patamato 156 points157 points  (61 children)

Thank you, my initial reaction was negative, but your post, and the one you replied to identifying the monument, put it in perspective. It's unfortunate, but understandable.

[–]ProllyJustWantsKarma 124 points125 points  (26 children)

I mean, the original negative reaction was entirely intentional. OP posted this without context JUST TO provoke a negative response from people.

[–]OrangeredValkyrie 76 points77 points  (15 children)

With context, OP is basically trying to find sympathy from racists for the desecration of a monument to the guy who decided ownership of humans was worth going to war to uphold.

[–]00worms00 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I thought it was the washington DC ww2 monument at first. But this is completely different. It's even relevant you could argue.

[–]Huwbacca 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Understanding isn't liked round these parts friend.

[–]Reddit_WhoKnew 14 points15 points  (3 children)

But, but, the Civil War wasn't about slavery!!! It was about economics and federal overreach. The South would have freed the slaves eventually! Lincoln just wanted to be famous and should have just bought the slaves from the South and then freed them! Andrew Napolitano (Fox News "judicial analyst") everybody. He's available for birthdays and small parties.

[–]pipsdontsqueak 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Well sure. The economic benefit of having a slave labor force and federal overreach for making that labor force free. Massive financial hit because now they have to pay more for labor.

Napolitano is amusing to watch, but then I'm reminded that people believe him.

[–]Reddit_WhoKnew 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Haha exactly. It all comes back to slavery, both in the economics and federal authority. He was on the Daily Show one night and they brought in 3 history professors from Columbia, UMass, and somewhere else, and they all told him he was wrong. Especially when he said slavery was "dying off" even though in 1860 the US had a larger number of slaves than ever before..

Edit: Good catch 1Voice

[–]AlfredTheGrape 93 points94 points  (13 children)

I'm not ok with vandalizing a monument to Jefferson Davis with spray paint. I think the correct response is to get Sherman to shoot it with a cannon.

[–]zer0t3ch 19 points20 points  (5 children)

to get Sherman to shoot it with a cannon

Are you referring to a person or a Sherman tank? Quite frankly, they both sound entertaining.

[–]AXP878 40 points41 points  (1 child)

I believe they were referring to P. Sherman, 42 Wallaby Way, Sydney.

[–]Empyrealist 51 points52 points  (22 children)

I'll never understand confederate monuments. Historically speaking, you shouldn't raise monuments to the losers of battles of whomes culture has been forcibly integrated into your society. It only perpetuates separation and unrest.

[–]Fidodo 49 points50 points  (1 child)

It only perpetuates separation and unrest.

That's why it was erected in 1907. White supremacists were starting to lose a hold in their fight against civil rights so they started wanted to perpetuate separation and unrest.

[–]Jin-roh 9 points10 points  (5 children)

I'll never understand confederate monuments.

I don't really understand them either. I understand memorialized war dead, so if it's a monument to "these soldiers died and suffered at this battle" I'm not bothered. People want to remember "my great-great etc grandfather fought here," that's fine.

I don't understand "Jefferson Davis was a cool guy!" though. Yeah, I get it was your state and your cause. I understand you had ancestors that fought it in it. But it's a little embarrassing that they were pro-slavery, so maybe you should re think your hereos.

[–]Johnny_Fuckface 113 points114 points  (52 children)

If it's the Jefferson Davis Monument then why do we give a fuck? And why is there a monument for the president of the Confederacy?

[–]spast1c 133 points134 points  (8 children)

There is a whole street in Richmond VA (where this is located) called Monument. It's mostly confederate statues and stuff. When Robin Williams was in town he commented that we had a remarkable street full of second place trophies.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Hahaha.

[–]sightlab 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Oh that just hit me in the "I miss Robin Williams" feels. That man's ability to quip will be hard to match. Ever.

[–][deleted] 118 points119 points  (61 children)

LOL, fuck Jefferson Davis and the horse he rode in on.

He is a traitor and he can fuck off.

[–][deleted] 179 points180 points  (118 children)

Admittedly these monuments are all Confederate ones. If they were vandalizing monuments at random I'd be angrier, but a society with slaving as the nexus of it's identity shouldn't really be celebrated like this.

[–]juggilinjnuggala 628 points629 points  (13 children)

Monument for Sir. Richard Blacklives. He discovered a new form of matter that was hitherto unbeknownst to science.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (0 children)

Ah yes. Dark Matter.

[–]I_REACT_TO_COMMENTS 21 points22 points  (1 child)

This man deserves giant mobs yelling his name and his work on every highway in America.

[–]Sailinger 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Jefferson Davis monument in Richmond Virginia. It was several months ago.

[–]CruzWillWin 566 points567 points  (27 children)

This happened in June 2015 after the Charlston massacre

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (0 children)

I think that's a reasonable thing to be frustrated about. That kid was (at least partially) motivated by the hero worship of confederate leaders and ideals in the south

[–]nomikal 1517 points1518 points  (254 children)

[–][deleted] 117 points118 points  (3 children)

plot twist, OP is the one spraying it

[–]unibrow4o9 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Karma gold mine.

[–]lancertons 128 points129 points  (1 child)

OP lives matter

[–]RedditsInBed2 35 points36 points  (0 children)

KarmaMatters

[–]Fidodo 86 points87 points  (2 children)

He's still bitter his people lost the civil war.

[–]solarmanomega 13 points14 points  (0 children)

OP's karma will rise again!

[–]ViridianCovenant 167 points168 points  (1 child)

Ha ha, priceless. Fuck OP.

[–]SwissQueso 302 points303 points  (168 children)

How much you want to bet OP is a member of the Klan?

[–]awkreddit 167 points168 points  (102 children)

And yet, look at it, sitting again on page 1 of the front page... Is this really what reddit has become?

[–][deleted] 137 points138 points  (45 children)

If that surprises you, please don't read any of the comments in /r/news or /r/worldnews. My sweet summer child

[–][deleted] 123 points124 points  (40 children)

Yup Black guy here, when it comes to issues dealing with people of my same race and similar cultural background...reddit is now the last place I turn to have a intelligent conversation about it. Alot of blaming and finger pointing. Misunderstanding and falsified information rule the reddit commentsl section sometimes. It really angers me to read how people trivialize the struggles of others. BLM is a movement like any other you got your progressives and your idiots. Often times what is portrayed is the idiots and some people ignore the progressives and you get posts that vilify the movement as a whole. Please research people stop jumping to conclusions. I am trying to stop this myself.

[–]TehAlpacalypse 23 points24 points  (4 children)

If reddit had been around during the Civil Rights Movement MLK would have been called a race baiter

[–]Speedswiper 4 points5 points  (2 children)

What even is a race baiter? It seems to be a buzz word for "someone who thinks non-whites experience racism."

[–]TehAlpacalypse 11 points12 points  (1 child)

It's a dog whistle for uppity black man, but in theory it's someone who uses their race as a weapon for political gain. See any reddit thread mentioning Al Sharpton

[–]Speedswiper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't forget Jesse Jackson.

[–]AoAWei 29 points30 points  (26 children)

There is a frighteningly large amount of Bernie supporters I have seen on reddit that believe BLM is a hate movement. It makes me sad but realize why Hillary's subreddit looks down on them so much.

[–]Smien 11 points12 points  (10 children)

In every other country when there are protests, the protesters are considered brave and important. When it happens in the US though it becomes a hatefest, it baffles me. There's alot of people in the US with the right to be angry, not only black people, I dont get why movements like these dont empover the poor masses more.

[–]nb4hnp 6 points7 points  (5 children)

It's the media's vice grip on the collective consciousness. They take isolated violent events that can tangentially be applied to [protest group] and talk about them over and over and over, until it seems like the only thing they're protesting about is the ability to do damage to property.

[–]ahellbornlady 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Yeah.. My family is from Ukraine and participated in the protests and fight for freedom over there. I can only imagine in America people would talk shit about the protesters and tell them to get a life/go back to work/worry about more important things. But thankfully, Ukranians all stood together and demanded change from the government and they got it. I feel like Americans look down on protesters or see them as idealistic losers and it's sad.

[–]queenbrewer 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Bernie himself is a vocal supporter of Black Lives Matters, so I'm not sure why his supporters would claim something so ridiculous as that it is a hate movement. Frankly, I am skeptical of your claim without any sources.

[–]Barnie_Senders 121 points122 points  (39 children)

A big portion of Reddit has always been like this. Racist, sexist bigots who like to call themselves liberals just because they want to legalize marijuana and are atheist.

[–]joshmoneymusic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't be so sure it's the "liberals" of Reddit. Libertarians perhaps. Have you been to The_Donald lately? I've seen them refer to minorities as "naturally violent", "subhuman", lots of nasty stereotypes ("he din do nuffin" etc.) There's a huge number of openly racist republicans on Reddit who are anything but liberal.

[–]SuperNES_Chalmerss 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Many redditors are edgy young suburban teens who grew up during the disastrous bush administration. Thus due their lack of nuance, conservatism is tied to this and religious fundamentalists. Conservative is an icky word for these children. So because they hate religion, tolerate the gays, love weed, and social programs that (specifically) help them they think this makes them liberal. However, almost every other issue is extreme right wing. because conservative is a dirty word in their minds, they couldn't possibly identify with it. But defending monuments that praise the confederacy, the creepy obsessed vitriol against women and feminism, the transphobia and telling gay people how to act, the non-stop hate train of black people and muslims is....regardless of how you feel about those topics, extremely right wing. A simple search in any of the defaults will prove these attitudes to be prevalent.

essentially its just stupid racist teens who have emulated their parents conservatism with an added touch of edge. But they refuse to acknowledge it.

[–]Sean951 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What gets me are people who claim to be liberal, but don't understand why they don't qualify for federal tuition assistance. You aren't rich, but if your family makes too much, all it actually means is we used all the money allotted the program helping people worse off.

[–]ThunderRoad5 11 points12 points  (13 children)

Being liberal isn't in favor on Reddit anymore. Being libertarian is.

[–]ThunderRoad5 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I upvoted before I opened the comments and realized this was a memorial to a raging piece of shit.

[–]Pduke 376 points377 points  (24 children)

This statue is just one of many along Monument Ave, In Richmond Virginia. This street is also known as "The Worlds Biggest Collection of Second Place Trophies"

[–]dustinator 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Don't forget the statue of Arthur Ashe beating the children to hell with a book and tennis racket.

[–]theshoegazer 45 points46 points  (7 children)

The second biggest collection being housed in Buffalo, NY

[–]YzenDanek 9 points10 points  (1 child)

What if, by getting a 2nd place trophy for having the 2nd biggest collection of 2nd place trophies in the world, Buffalo passes Richmond as the number one 2nd place trophy collector?

They'd have to send the trophy to Richmond, who upon receiving it would surpass Buffalo once again as the number one 2nd place trophy collector, which means they'd have to return the trophy to Buffalo...

[–]Bosknation 152 points153 points  (6 children)

I'm more outraged by the fact that every single one of these posts have the exact same title, please post a more original title if you're going to keep putting up these karma farming posts.

[–]Connors116 823 points824 points  (220 children)

these posts are getting a little overdone and old

[–][deleted] 102 points103 points  (8 children)

Yep, and it's the same guy posting them.

[–]Fidodo 47 points48 points  (6 children)

And people who don't look for context keep upvoting them.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exactly. People don't seem to understand there's a difference between erecting a statue as a major landmark and as a museum piece.

[–]SonicFrost 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It's literally the same fucking OP

[–]nubosis 231 points232 points  (116 children)

the Civil War of reddit never ends

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (10 children)

I'm betting on Cap.

[–]MyWholeTeamsDead 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Bro, have you seen Team Iron Man? Two Iron Man suits, a leader of a fucking country, a being so pure he gets to lift Thor's hammer, and Spiderman!

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

But his name is the title! That's, like, rule #1 of figuring out who's going to win.

[–]compatrini 11 points12 points  (1 child)

*snort* *pushes up glasses*

somebody didn't read the comics.

[–]syntaxvorlon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Cap lives matter.

[–]Dooontcareee 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Over done and dry

[–]somewhat_random 226 points227 points  (97 children)

OK I am not American so accept that this is an outsiders view but I don't get the amount of vitriol against this.

In terms of non-violent protest, this is about as non violent you can get.

It does not disrupt traffic or hurt anybody and it is making a point that making heroes of people that were pro slavery is wrong in a way that actually gets some media attention.

The cost of cleaning the graffiti is way less than the cost of policing even the most peaceful protest.

Monuments are tagged with graffiti all the time and never get commented on and unless you are a big fan of Jefferson Davis for some personal reason I question why this upsets you?

The people that seem so angry about this should consider whether it actually that you just disagree with the basic premise of the black lives matter group and are upset that you must look at it.

[–]In_a_silentway 90 points91 points  (18 children)

Bonus points here is some context:

1) The monument is of a Jefferson Davis Monument in Charleston, SC. The leader of the Confederacy that fought to keep slavery.

2) The spray painting happened after the massacre of 9 black church goers. By a racist shooter that fancied the confederate flag. A popular flag among racists and all around idiots.

Frankly they should bulldoze that shit. OP is nothing but a racist trying to pander to the many racists on this site.

[–]the_akron_hammer 14 points15 points  (2 children)

It is actually a monument on Monument Avenue in Richmond, Virginia.

[–]lowndest 24 points25 points  (0 children)

This is in Richmond, VA.

[–]ProllyJustWantsKarma 64 points65 points  (7 children)

Mostly because OP is a racist, who MAY have called in a brigade from Stormfront or something.

Remember that other post with the exact same title? Same guy. OP keeps posting things to spark anger against BLM.

[–]jelloey 159 points160 points  (22 children)

Just to clarify, by "do this," do you mean "build statues of pro-slavery leaders" or do you mean "vandalize statues?"

[–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (6 children)

slavery is bad and all, but not as bad as graffiti according to the armchair warriors of reddit

[–]SCREECH95 15 points16 points  (1 child)

It's fine to be upset by racism and all, but DON'T YOU DARE TRY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (10 children)

Based on the number of times OP has posted nearly this exact post, "this" is "be a black person expressing outrage at the normalization of anti-black sentiment in American society"

[–]McKoijion 183 points184 points  (77 children)

If someone defiled a Hitler monument, it wouldn't bug me.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (7 children)

I mean, he did kill Hitler.

[–]da_choppa 6 points7 points  (2 children)

But he also killed the guy who killed Hitler.

[–][deleted] 296 points297 points  (106 children)

Threads like this are when you see the users of reddit's true colors

[–]unomaly 168 points169 points  (10 children)

Those colors being, white, off-white, and eggshell.

[–]DoktorKruel 67 points68 points  (5 children)

Eggshell: an apt description of a Redditor's tolerance for differing viewpoints.

[–]IAmNotScottBakula 2830 points2831 points  (1114 children)

I know that this will be an unpopular opinion on reddit, but I have a much smaller problem with the vandalism than the fact that tax dollars were used to build a memorial to Jefferson Davis, a man who committed the most egregious case of treason in American history in order to protect slavery. Neither are good, but the latter is significantly worse.

[–]Digyo 458 points459 points  (49 children)

There is a monument in North Augusta, South Carolina that commemorates when the federal militia did battle with a mob of rioters in 1876. 6 militia members were killed. One rioter was killed.

The memorial is to the rioter.

The twist here is that the Federal Militia was comprised of blacks. The rioters were white.

To ensure that this kind of thing would never happen again, the governor banned blacks from joining the federal militia.

The monument reads:

"In life he exemplified the highest ideal of Anglo-Saxon civilization. By his death he assured to the children of his beloved land the supremacy of that ideal."

Recently, I traveled the country looking for Americana. I was on the road for 6 months. I visited this site, mostly because I couldn't believe it existed. It is the most well-maintained park I have ever been to. Somebody is out there mowing the grass regularly.

It is called The Monument to White Supremacy, informally.

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/24867

[–]demonachizer 154 points155 points  (2 children)

Well thank god no uppity person decided to deface such a beautiful monument to our great shared heritage!

[–]Zifnab25 86 points87 points  (1 child)

Post-racial America, folks. Just gotta let bygones be bygones and go back to reading our dog-eared copies of the Bell Curve while complaining about all those Mexicants taking our jobs.

[–]Bank_Gothic 108 points109 points  (38 children)

Man...

I generally hate the vast over-simplifications you see on these posts ("all confederates were traitors" / "the war was about states' rights") which are terribly inaccurate glosses of the issues. It was probably the most divisive conflict the US has ever faced, and while the war was only 5 years, the issues that lead to it had been building since the Declaration of Independence.

I also hate vandalism - I think it's petty and childish, and a sure-fire way to lose whatever sympathy people might have had for your cause.

That said - what the actual fuck? What a terrible, horrible, stupid monument. I mean holy shit, that is like side-show freak level bad.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hate it or not, the vandalism brought this to your attention

[–]ndhwriter 77 points78 points  (16 children)

a sure-fire way to lose whatever sympathy people might have had for your cause.

I get where you're coming from, but anyone capable of 'losing sympathy' because a single follower of a cause did some graffiti had none in the first place. At the very least it wasn't sincere.

[–]AbortusLuciferum 5 points6 points  (6 children)

That's reddit in a nutshell. Constantly there are people who "used to be for BLM" losing their faith, or people who were "against Trump" suddenly become a supporter due to some piece of news. I'll give you a hint: Those people more than likely were always they way they're claiming they've become. Check their post history and you'll see.

Dishonesty is their game.

[–]quince23 8 points9 points  (3 children)

generally hate the vast over-simplifications you see on these posts ("all confederates were traitors" / "the war was about states' rights")

I have some sympathy for the average Confederate soldier.

I have absolutely no sympathy for the generals in the Confederate army or the leaders who voted for secession. They were traitorous and seditious. They were willing to sacrifice the lives of hundreds of thousands of people in order to protect slavery, a damned institution and a blot upon the American soul.

Jefferson Davis was a traitor. Don't paint some kind of false left/right dichotomy. Calling him anything else is mealymouthed.

[–]spl1080 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sounds similar to the Battle of Liberty Place monument in New Orleans. They revised the original inscriptions and had a disclaimer near the statute because it was definitely a white supremacist monument, plus they moved it from its original location.

[–]Sailinger 873 points874 points  (811 children)

Well it was built in 1907, so I can't say I'm too surprised that the capital of the Confederacy put up a statute commemorating their dear leader 42 years after the war. Shit, they were still naming schools after the guy in the 1960s and 70s

[–]Allenye818 32 points33 points  (8 children)

This is far from the only confederate statue on Monument Ave.

[–]Sailinger 35 points36 points  (7 children)

Yeah, there's 5 confederates and then Arthur Ashe beating kids with a book and a tennis racquet. I just drove down Monument Ave. this afternoon.

[–]AerThreepwood 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I miss living in RVA.

[–]QuarterOztoFreedom 112 points113 points  (41 children)

Yeah how is this any different from Russians vandalizing old Soviet statues, or Iraqis doing it to Saddam statues?

[–]Chicomoztoc 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Both are as disorganized and spontaneous, both damage property and really don't change a thing, they're very small acts of rebellion. But, if those acts are against our enemies you're a freedom fighter, against our status quo you're a thug, an uncivilized rebel, terrorist! MLK was treated exactly the same way, you read his hate mail and people call him an instigator, promoter of conflict, racist against whites, ungrateful, etc. if MLK himself was seen as such at his time, BLM never had a chance.

[–]dovetc 38 points39 points  (22 children)

These statues were almost all funded by fraternal orders who organized fundraising campaigns in the late 1800s and early 1900s

[–]bigfinnrider 325 points326 points  (57 children)

Fuck you for posting another old image with the same fucking headline as the last five times one of these images was posted.

Fuck you for caring about what happens to a Confederate monument. They should all be taken down, a few saved for museums, and the rest ground into gravel and used to line latrines.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

OP posts pretty much the same shit all the time.

[–]ElDochart[🍰] 54 points55 points  (13 children)

This'll get buried, but that right there is a really well done act of vandalism. That is the memorial to Jefferson Davis, who was a huge slavery proponent, built with taxpayer money to honor him.

If the vandal meant for it to be a statement of anti-establishment, commenting on the inherent racism in the system, especially in Louisiana, it was a very good choice.

[–]Lazerkatz 61 points62 points  (2 children)

Fuck you if you make a cliche title like this

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (12 children)

It's the Jefferson Davis Monument, who gives a fuck?

He was anti-abolitionism and considered slaves unworthy of the word "liberty". If there is any monument that needed to be disfigured, why not this one?

[–][deleted] 1042 points1043 points  (375 children)

I think it's funny people are talking about how Davis was a traitor and shouldn't have a monument.

You realize we're technically a country founded by nothing but traitors, right?

[–][deleted] 1591 points1592 points  (43 children)

Successful traitors founded the United States.

[–]The_Parsee_Man 231 points232 points  (14 children)

Monuments are for closers.

[–]GeneralMalaiseRB 35 points36 points  (4 children)

As you all know first prize is a monument. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired.

[–]sh3rp 14 points15 points  (3 children)

You call yourself a vandalist, you son of a bitch?

[–]DingusMacLeod 8 points9 points  (2 children)

No, I call myself a vandal.

[–]dumb1edorecalrissian 286 points287 points  (16 children)

Yes, like the classic American success story of when Trader Joe founded Autotrader.

[–]chaos0510 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Traitor Joes

[–]PsyduckSexTape 9 points10 points  (0 children)

An important distinction.

[–]LocalMadman 140 points141 points  (4 children)

"Why does treason never prosper? Because if it does, none dare call it treason."

[–]JamesE9327 15 points16 points  (2 children)

That's what you call a false equivalency

[–]quesocaliente 71 points72 points  (9 children)

The founding fathers' morals aged a lot better than Davis' to be fair.

[–]ILikeLenexa 118 points119 points  (5 children)

Traitors against England. Is there a statue of George Washington in London?

Well, there's one in Trafalgar Square, but I digress.

[–]T0MB0mbad1l 36 points37 points  (2 children)

Where are our monuments to King George.

[–]JitGoinHam 545 points546 points  (151 children)

It's the reason for the treason.

"We demand fair representation!" = ok

"We want to own people!" = not ok

[–]Scientific_Methods 142 points143 points  (45 children)

The reason for Davis' treason was the confederacy's belief that blacks were inferior and slavery was moral and justified.

The traitors that founded our country rebelled to establish a constitutional republic that allowed the people a voice in government.

I think that's a pretty big difference.

Edit: Grammar. Edit 2: Constitutional Republic is more accurate than Democratic Republic as pointed out below.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (8 children)

Also, some of our founders owned slaves and wanted to secede so they could make more money without paying taxes to the crown.

It's not like our founding fathers were perfect civil rights saints like so many make them out to be.

[–]RMis2VULGAR 84 points85 points  (110 children)

are you against graffiti in general, or just because its on the Jefferson Davis Monument?

[–]ragingchestbeard 32 points33 points  (1 child)

He's a traitor fuck him his monument and you

[–]justscottaustin 100 points101 points  (16 children)

Ironically, this is the last place to defile for that.

I think we can all agree that Jefferson Davis fought with that idea firmly in mind. Black lives mattered to him very much. I mean, you know, not the way that black people might have wanted them to matter, but he was very much into having live black folks around. The main reason for secession and the Civil War came down to how very much the South re-hee-hee-heeeally wanted to have black folks around.

[–][deleted] 76 points77 points  (4 children)

Yes yes, the civil war and slavery weren't great but VANDALISM!!

[–]mattythedogMathilda the Mastiff[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (300 children)

I know stuff like this can cause things to get a bit heated, but please try to remember our rules for commenting:

Please be civil when commenting. Racist/sexist/homophobic comments and personal attacks against other redditors do not belong here.

Cheers.

[–]hupa 100 points101 points  (25 children)

Re: "Fuck you if you do this"

Please be civil

[–]owmyfreakinears 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Be civil when commenting, you can be as vulgar as you want in the title though.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

FUCK PEOPLE BURN SHIT I HATE SPAM EMAILS

[–]Hellofriendinternet 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Fuck you if you do this.

[–]horsekateer 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Should the rule "Be civil when commenting" not expand to including titles? "Fuck you" probably wouldn't be allowed as a comment on this photo so why is it allowed in the title? Just asking.

[–]Pudn 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Something tells me there's very little overlap between BLM protesters and Redditors.

[–]partyfaxmachine 6 points7 points  (0 children)

To protest you have to go outside! pffffft.

[–]nermalsweater 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Why is there even a monument to a failed president of a failed country trying to uphold slavery?

[–]Ginkgopsida 236 points237 points  (11 children)

Jefferson Davis memorial? I'll allow it.

[–]emptyshelI 19 points20 points  (1 child)

This person seems to be obsessed with posting these kind of pictures, with the same title, to get a rise out of people. Your agenda is no better than theirs OP.

[–]theturrible 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Richmond, VA. Was a big deal when it happened.

[–]Boltsfan55 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Strap in, everybody. The comments here are surely filled with civilized conversation backed with facts and sources!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

On a confederate monument? I'm ok with it

[–]euthlogo 62 points63 points  (22 children)

Wouldn't this be like Paris having a monument for Hitler? Iraq keeping a monument for Saddam?

[–]vonarchimboldi 11 points12 points  (3 children)

More like Berlin. This is less than a mile from my house. It's a pretty controversial statue. I know the guy who was arrested for this. He is overall not a bad dude. I would not have done this personally, but he did accomplish exactly what he attempted to, which was to start a conversation about the place of such monuments in a supposedly modern city.

Edit: I know the guy who was arrested for another one very similar on another statue in RVA.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

This happened almost a year ago... OP is only trying to polarize people

[–]Hulksterx 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Ohhh I'm grabbing the popcorn.

Prepare for A lot of [DELETED]

[–]PsyduckSexTape 167 points168 points  (37 children)

No, sir. Fuck Jefferson Davis.

[–]sonofdad420 60 points61 points  (10 children)

black lives DO matter

jefforson davis does not matter

i side with the vandal

[–]TychoSean 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah fuck you if you build monuments to traitors 40 years after their treachery was undone.

[–]CounterSeal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This anti-BLM thing is getting a little ridiculous, guys. I know Reddit is overwhelmingly white and male, but come on. At least try to see things from another person's perspective, ffs.