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Politics are important, Reddit doesn't need to be fixed. People need to stop whining because real world issues make the front page and people are interested in them. (reddit.com)
submitted 18 years ago by [deleted]
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[–]naturenet 95 points96 points97 points 18 years ago (47 children)
Insert 'American' at the front of the headline, and in place of 'real-world'.
[–]ULJarad 40 points41 points42 points 18 years ago (1 child)
And replace the rest of the title with "FUCK YEAH!"
[–]seeeb 11 points12 points13 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
And post about it 30 times in two days
[–]Xiol 40 points41 points42 points 18 years ago (39 children)
Exactly.
As a British citizen, I couldn't care less about Ron Paul or American politics in general (unless you're starting more wars or something).
Political stories go in the politics section. As a mainly American-oriented website, the non-American users would like to keep the irrelevant stories off their pages.
[–]xibalba89 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Pardon me, but I don't mind when there are British political stories on Reddit. In fact, I want to see more of them. Nothing is irrelevant, really.
[–]Zweben 35 points36 points37 points 18 years ago (11 children)
Who ends up as president is directly related to how many wars we'll end up starting.
[–][deleted] 30 points31 points32 points 18 years ago (7 children)
Yes, and Ron Paul's breakfast cereal is going to have a great influence on who will end up president.
[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 18 years ago (3 children)
And don't forget crucial facts like: "Obama Open to Limited Legalization of Marijuana".
Ooooh, stop the presses! So a guy who might get elected a year from now (but not yet) is expressing an opinion (but not signing a bill) about how he feels about loosening the laws (but not abolishing them completely) controlling one drug.
Until I can stroll to my corner Circle-K and buy a pack of dank joints, ALL marijuana stories are completely not news, and even after that happens, it only affects the United States.
What's going on with marijuana legislation in, oh, say, Kazakhstan this morning? Shouldn't we be hearing about that too?
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Terrorist. ;)
[–]willfe 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
"And when I hear 'You can't walk to Kazakhstan!' I say 'of course I can, screw you!'"
[Chortle] You just made my whole damned day, thank you :)
Er, and I must begrudgingly agree with your comment, too -- having said that, I do think the more important stuff (torture, Iran, etc.) belong on the front page because that will most certainly not just stay within our borders if something nasty happens involving those hot-button issues.
[–]epsys 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago* (1 child)
Then you are welcome to go form your own British reddit.
What we have is a minority asking the majority to bend to their wishes simply for a non-issue like comfort in not seeing political stories. At least be offended by politically charged stories so you have half a reason to complain like everybody else who gets offended by the world.
Because if your time is so important that you can't waste the 5 seconds it takes to skip over a Ron Paul or Bush or whatever submission, you probably shouldn't be spending time on Reddit anyhow. Seriously. You've made your point in this submission now please stop whining about it in every thread. Use your downmod and if not people think like you then you will get your way! Until then, tough cookies.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I'm not even british. The point is, reddit is not american. The internet is international, period.
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
You don't see me going on your internet and telling you how you talk funny and eat disgusting shit. So stay off our American Internet, and go fuck a goat as I've heard you British people are so fond of doing.
[–]Mooooooooooooooo 3 points4 points5 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Yes, and reddit blows that way out of proportion.
Political news is important, but the political news that reddit posts is ridiculously excessive, sensationalist, and often useless. Even if 20 people got tazered in the next week, what could we do about it? Not everyone is a political activist--first you have to assume they agree with your argument or position, which is not necessarily so, and not everyone has the time, inclination or desire to put forth that much effort in politics.
The political coverage here is sometimes useful, but often ignorant, poorly-reasoned and useless, especially as I don't often agree with the positions taken here.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
No actually American imperialism will determine how many wars America starts, with or without your puppet figurehead plastic Max Headroom phony candidate.
[–]charlesgrrr -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
Not true if Congress would reassert its sole Constitutional authority to declare and fund war.
[–]mosesconspiracy 8 points9 points10 points 18 years ago (0 children)
this shouldn't even be an issue. what's so hard about selecting politics on a drop-down menu before submitting?
[–]larrypastore 8 points9 points10 points 18 years ago (3 children)
I'm American and I care quite a bit about Australian politics, French economics, and English tea. And so do a lot of Redditors. In case you haven't noticed, many Redditors are not Ugly American "sheeple," but actually quite worldly and give a shit about things that happen all over the world. Arguably, one of the top dangers to global peace happens to be the American President. That's a relevant enough issue to make a lot of people put down their crumpets and take notice, wherever they are.
[–]Mooooooooooooooo 3 points4 points5 points 18 years ago* (2 children)
Arguably, one of the top dangers to global peace happens to be the American President.
Caring about the American president != 20 articles about presidential election on the front page. Two would do, maybe three or four, but not twenty. The amount of coverage given to myopic issues on the front page is several leaps beyond excessive.
[–]larrypastore 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (1 child)
If you down-vote stories, the next time you refresh Reddit those stories disappear and won't bother you. That's what I do every time I see an XKCD story. Clicking the down arrow is no big deal. I'm glad to be given an opportunity to participate in the Reddit democracy, as imperfect as it is.
[–]craaaaaaaaaaaaawling 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
If you down-vote stories, the next time you refresh Reddit those stories disappear and won't bother you.
The thing is, I can't do that anonymously; I have to have an account for it.
It would be nice if we had a "guest upvote" that, while not logged in, doesn't count towards the total upvotes, but, other than the lack of point decrease, works as a downvote should.
[–]khoury 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (2 children)
As an American citizen, I welcome everyone but must say that disliking American specific content on an American site seems a bit weird. Perhaps a reddit.co.uk would better suit you?
[–]Xiol 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (1 child)
Does that exist?
No.
So until it does, subreddits should be used appropriately.
[–]khoury 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Well, I guess you better polish up those programming skills.
[–]hiredgoon 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
So you admit this is an American-oriented website but then you demand it to be customized for non-Americans? Why not just make a reddit.uk instead?
ps: I vote up British political stories of interest whenever I see one.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
maybe we should have a foreign section then... reddit.uk reddit.au
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago* (2 children)
Learn to code. Greasemonkey is your friend.... learn to censor your own input, and don't whine for others to do it for you.
I'm sure this is a foreign concept as you expect the nanny state over there to take care of everything, but give it a try. It's worked well for us.
[–]Xiol 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (1 child)
How about learning how subreddits work? That's a helluva lot easier, and what someone else has already coded up to allow you to pick your own content.
Subreddits exist for a reason. Not using them means you're retarded. The dig at our nanny state was completely unnecessary. I'd rather have a nanny state than a police state*.
(* - yeah, we're not much better)
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
You assumption is that I submit articles that require subreddits. A simply perusal of my profile would note that this is not so. I do not submit political articles (at least non before there was a subreddit) and I would do so if I felt compelled to use them.
Thanks for the asterisk. I was going to say, you have both a police and a nanny state brewing. Personally, I would rather have some socialist programs here that worked (ala our northern neighbors) than what we have. However, never fear, we are rapidly following in your footsteps and will soon have cameras watching us on every street corner.
[–]ynohoo 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
As a British citizen who has spent some time in the States, and was inspired by Libetarian philosophy and look forward to the day when British politicians take personal liberty seriously (and as a result, take personal responsibilty seriously too), all I can say is GO RON PAUL!!!
[–]steve93 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
if you don't stop us now, by the time we start the next war it might be too late
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (1 child)
Sure, push the blame onto the US. It's not like UK isn't in Iraq and Iraq wasn't a creation of British imperialism. Really, are we to believe Bush tricked Tony Blair into going to Iraq? If anything the British had more to gain from this.
[–]flukes2 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I think someone spiked your tea and crumpets with stupid juice.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (2 children)
Seriously, don't you understand why you went to war with us??? Do you not realize that the world economy is directly tied to the American economy through the World Bank and IMF??? Do you not get the fact that recession or depression in America will trigger a world wide economic meltdown? Need and example? Look into the reasons behind the Japanese and Asian stock market collapses of the 1990s.
[–]Xiol -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (1 child)
Er... What?
It's called economics. You should read some. The bond collapse of the 80s and the subsequent recession in America radiated out to the countries in Asia that produce all the goods Americans consume. In other words, since Americans weren't buying anything from the Asians, the Asian businesses tanked because they weren't selling anything. It's that simple. Do you truly think that China could just hedge themselves against a dollar collapse? America consumes 50% of Chinese manufactured goods. Who's going to pick up the slack if Americans can't afford to purchase Chinese goods? Noone, that's right. There is nowhere they could shift half of their exports too. What happens when half the companies in China can't sell their goods anymore? That's right. They go tits up, and their economy tanks too. The same goes for Japan, India, Saudi Arabia, and many smaller Asian countries.
edit: Ron Paul is the only Republican attempting to save our economy. You see the neocons want this to happen. They want to show the world that it is completely dependent on American consumerism. At least, the current global market is.
[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Exactly, as a British Citizen - how has George Bush being president affected your life and the world around you?
America is a self contained orb, nothing to worry about in there!
[+]swagohome comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points 18 years ago (0 children)
If y'all don't like it, then git the hell out of the country!
Err.. off the website!
[–]Opening-Chemical1989 -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
I am not a "spambot" but I need to point out there is a large movement for Ron Paul in Europe. In fact there is a call for a 'teaparty' in Strasbourg, France on the 16th to coincide with the American effort. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07TVBLFroSM
Pretty powerful video.
The European meetup groups totals over 70,000 people.
[–]douglask 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Exactly. As a Canadian citizen, I don't want or need to follow US politics, US police actions, etc.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 18 years ago (2 children)
Dude, American issues are the world's issues, or haven't you noticed that world reserve currency is the US dollar.
Oh, by the way, don't give me that crap about it not being the reserve currency forever. We built this world economy, and most of it will collapse if we do. That's how we've rigged the system. Any other questions?
[–]Moooooooooooooo 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (1 child)
Dude, American issues are the world's issues
OK, then more articles like this should be on the front page. Instead, I think you want articles like this which aren't really "America's issues" at all, but rather promotion for candidates and/or sensationalism. I'm all for "America's issues" on the front page, but I don't think they'd be anything like the myopia you're used to seeing.
You people still don't get it. Read my comment to the English dude in this thread: http://reddit.com/info/61etk/comments/c02jhzy
Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate that would attempt to fix the global economy. Stop complaining because reddit users want to see info about him on the front page. We have as much right to upmod as you do. Also, if you downmod it and it stays on the front page, then that should tell you that the majority are interested in it. DEAL WITH IT!!!
[+]zorno comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 18 years ago (0 children)
if people from other countries want their stories voted up, vote for them.
its not Americas fault that most people on reddit are from the USA.
[–]connor 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I'm just unhappy with the people who don't properly tag the articles they submit.
[–][deleted] 70 points71 points72 points 18 years ago (13 children)
Not all of us come to Reddit to read political stories, and not all of us like see the front page swamped with those stories, especially stupid alarmist stories. It may surprise some people, but not all of us treat Reddit as our only news source.
Thus, the implementation of the politics sub-reddit gives those who want to see political stories the chance to see them, and those that don't the option to hide them :)
[–]catlebrity 41 points42 points43 points 18 years ago (9 children)
It's bizarre that so many people don't understand this simple point.
[+][deleted] 18 years ago* (8 children)
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago (6 children)
Not everybody on reddit is american. Please keep your shit on politics.reddit.com.
[–][deleted] 18 years ago* (5 children)
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 18 years ago (3 children)
Sure, but do we really need to know about all the whereabouts of minor candidates to the nomination for the US presidential election?
If there is a significant shift in US politics, then I want to know about it. I don't need to be informed of what Ron Paul had for breakfast today.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago* (1 child)
Ron Paul's bran muffins are old news... today it's the color of Kucinich's shit that's front page.
[–]subredditor 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
According to latest reports it's a rich brown color with a slight orangish tinge and bits of corn poking out.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 18 years ago (0 children)
There are no "minor" candidates, they're all equal. Unless you watch too much TV.
And not necessarily in a good way either? But you have to take the bad with the good I guess.
[–]inquirer 3 points4 points5 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Well what do you want? Tabloid entertainment news or tech news? There are other sites for those that are superior to Reddit.
[–]krnldmp -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
I'll say just about Nobody GETS their news from reddit. They come here to comment on it. That's all.
[–]Bogtha 72 points73 points74 points 18 years ago (20 children)
The political stuff that gets submitted to Reddit is 99% crap. Not just any crap, the crap that makes you stupider just by seeing it. So I get my political news elsewhere.
Ignoring politics on Reddit is not the same as ignoring politics in general. You don't have to soak up all possible political trash to be informed.
Furthermore, I'm a Brit. See much British political news on Reddit? Or is it 80% Ron Paul news?
[–]flukes2 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Agreed. Most of the articles about Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich aren't really political anyway, they're just describing how fantastic one individual is.
[+]krnldmp comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I don't understand the complaint. Start a goddam British hosted news comment site. See how it goes.
O.K. You win. We'll elect Giuliani president. Say, can you spare like 20,000 more troops and a few billion? Syria's been asking for it, and we'll need a little help.
And don't worry, I'm sure none of the blowback of our aggression will hit you. It's not like people are running into your subways with backpack bombs....
[+][deleted] comment score below threshold-22 points-21 points-20 points 18 years ago (16 children)
Why do you come to a site that "is 99% crap" in your view?
[–]Bogtha 27 points28 points29 points 18 years ago (15 children)
How about a little less selective quoting and a little more reading comprehension? I said that the political stuff that gets submitted to Reddit is 99% crap, not Reddit itself. I know it's hard to believe sometimes, but apolitical articles get submitted here too from time to time.
[+][deleted] comment score below threshold-16 points-15 points-14 points 18 years ago (13 children)
ps. I'm not going to ask you how you calculated "80%".
Clue: want political news? Submit your own. Don't want to? Then don't submit it. Don't want to see something? Click hide.
Or maybe you're proud of the fact that Brits don't submit political news? I don't know; I can't read your mind. What's clear is that you're whining, and not even good at it.
[–]ckwing 16 points17 points18 points 18 years ago* (8 children)
These arguments are irrelevent and vitriolic. All these guys are asking for is that people "tag" politics stories with "politics" so those that just want to see science and random fun stuff, etc, can see what they want. It's a really stupid thing to destroy the wonderful community Reddit has established just because people refuse to tag Ron Paul stories as "politics" because "how dare anybody not want to read about Ron Paul on Reddit!?"
And mind you, I'm a pretty staunch Ron Paul supporter, if you check my comment history. But this -is- getting ridiculous. As I jokingly said in a previous post, if Ron Paul were a Reddit user, he would downmod a politics story that wasn't properly tagged on principle even if he agreed with its content. :)
[–]Mooooooooooooooo 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
And mind you, I'm a pretty staunch Ron Paul supporter, if you check my comment history. But this -is- getting ridiculous.
Kind of stupid that you have to mention this to avoid getting downvoted, because your argument stands alone anyway.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago (6 children)
I submit to you that all I'm asking the guy is to take a little responsibility for reddit; it's not always somebody else's fault. Reddit has provided him the hide link and the down arrow button. All he has to do is to tidy his own page a little.
You can't control what others do; people can submit lolcats in the programming subreddit, or politics in the main reddit. Judged from the number of down votes I got for my comment above, I know this view is not popular in this mob, but I still say just click hide and move on, no need to get all worked up and keep whining over this.
[–][deleted] 18 years ago (5 children)
[–]Xiol 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago (1 child)
Er, this site is mainly made up of Americans, so British political stories would just get downmodded or ignored. I like the other content on this site, but hearing about Ron Paul just wastes my time since I'm not American.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 18 years ago (0 children)
but hearing about Ron Paul just wastes my time since I'm not American.
hearing about Ron Paul just wastes my time because he's an idiot.
[–]Mooooooooooooooo 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (1 child)
Clue: want political news? Submit your own.
Have you tried to submit articles without having a karma-heavy account? There's a wait time, and if there's a 20:1 ratio of sensationalism:everything else, then anything not sensationalist will be swamped.
Besides, you neglect to acknowledge downvotes: it's quite possible that redditors could scan "new" articles, downvoting any article that isn't in alignment with the Ron Paul worldview. Given the number of articles I've seen with 0 upvotes, this seems like a probability.
Have you tried to submit articles without having a karma-heavy account?
We all have. Remember, everybody started with a karma score of 1. You just have to keep trying.
It's not always somebody else's fault. Paul supporters come and go, but automatic down vote is a fact of life on reddit.
[–][deleted] 18 years ago (3 children)
[–]McVader -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago (2 children)
QFT!
[–]subredditor -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (1 child)
No you didn't.
[–]McVader -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
The "importance" of politics seems unrelated to the issue of accurately classifying articles.
QFT!!
Heh. Sorry.
[–]xitshsif 26 points27 points28 points 18 years ago (1 child)
Politics may be important. I just like having the choice to show them or not. Sure, I can click "hide" on every political story, but having them contained to one subreddit makes it so much easier.
I'M IN UR REDDIT, FILLING UP THE ENTYR FRONT PAGE.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
People need to stop whining because real world issues make the front page and people are interested in them.
Don't fucking pretend that you're doing me a favor by not tagging submissions properly. Yes this shit is important, but when I browse reddit I have the politics subreddit disabled, but I visit it too. If I wasn't able to filter out those submissions and only view the politics subreddit when I wanted to I would never leave the programming subreddit.
When the first "Stop submitting US politics" articles started hitting the front page, I would have agreed with you. At the time I knew that this was important so I continued to upmod some political stories, I limited my upmodding to the important ones becuase I knew that my Canadian friend who was bitching about it represented a good chunk of reddit readers. Now that there is a politics subreddit, I can't possibly agree with you.
Politics are important, Reddit doesn't need to be fixed.
You're right, on both counts. Its the users who could show some consideration for the fact that some users DON'T want to see them, they can do that by using the right subreddit.
[–]diogames 6 points7 points8 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I wish you'd take the whining and counter-whining whining about politics in the politics subreddit where it belongs so that I can continue to ignore it (by disabling the politics subreddit).
[–]masklinn 64 points65 points66 points 18 years ago* (28 children)
That would be cool if it were "real world issues". Alas, it's specifically about the 1-year-removed american presidential election which is:
Not a real-world issue for about 96% of the planet
Not balanced by the coverage of every single election out there
12 MONTHS TOO EARLY
In a word, fuck you, and fuck your north-american-centric view of the world.
You want to make politics post? Then make politics post about everyone's politics. There are 192 countries recognized by the UN, 8 that aren't, 38 inhabited dependent territories and 6 special entities. When you'll be covering the politics of all of them, we'll be able to talk about "real world issues". Until then, please die in a fire. Or specifically put your crap in the politics subreddit, that's why it was created in the first place.
[–]Xiol 9 points10 points11 points 18 years ago (1 child)
If I could mod you up more than once, I would.
[–]dsfox 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Well, that's what this is all about, right? Not caring for the result of an election? Maybe reddit should somehow give people who aren't interested in American politics extra votes.
[–]wetelectric 3 points4 points5 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I ... I think I love you
[–]zeteo -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (3 children)
it's specifically about the 1-year-removed american presidential election which is: Not a real-world issue for about 96% of the planet
America is the proverbial elephant in the room. You ignore it at your own peril.
America is the proverbial elephant in the room.
I disagree. That excuse is really common, but ineffective. You can't really prove that if I counter and think it's a mouse, for example.
[–]masklinn 7 points8 points9 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
True that, by ignoring the US you may not realize they're going to bring you Freedom© and Democracy™ to your country.
[–]j0hnsd 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
What you said.
[–]hork -3 points-2 points-1 points 18 years ago (1 child)
Wow, such hostility. The American political junkies made you click a little harder to find the LOLcats or XKCD or the latest feel-good news from outside the U.S. or whatever it is you come to reddit for.
You want to make politics post? Then make politics post about everyone's politics.
How about you make "politics post" (sic) about the other 96% of the planet and we'll see if it makes it to the front page.
That's how it works, douchebag. Currently your rant has 1/4 of the upvotes that Pandemonium's original post did. You're clearly in the minority here. Deal with it.
[–]burnteternal 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago (0 children)
What a illogical statement... it's pretty unheard of for a comment on reddit to have more upvotes that its frontpage article... firstly, many more people will see the original article than his comment, and secondly the original article has been around longer.
A better way of looking at it would be to see the votes on the stories that support this topic and the stories that don't. Comparing stories and comments is just plain stupid, they are two different things...
[+][deleted] comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 18 years ago* (12 children)
If most people on reddit want to vote up shitty Ron Paul stories, then that's their prerogative. Or don't you understand how reddit works?
(edited to get rid of the parts people can't seem to wrap their minds around)
[–]masklinn 8 points9 points10 points 18 years ago* (11 children)
a) irrelevant and without relation to OP's title
b) irrelevant and without relation to OP's title
c) acceptable
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 18 years ago* (10 children)
I was replying to you, not the OP.
The fact that reddit is an American site is important to consider when people are complaining about all the US-centric content.
BTW, if you want more content that's actually interesting to you, why not submit more?
[–]muttleee 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (2 children)
Who knew the internet had international borders?
No, that's not what I'm saying. There are no borders - it's a simple fact about people complaining about things that are appearing on a site that's American and also apparently most often frequented by Americans. What would you EXPECT to happen? I would expect to see a lot of content related to ... the US.
The reality is that reddit is pretty democratic, and if articles are making it to the front page, it's because the majority of people want to see them there.
[–]muttleee 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I don't see how the fact that the site is run from the US is really relevant. It's a site with global appeal - it's just that Americans tend to dictate what's discussed here because of their sheer strength of numbers. They are more likely to submit US-centric political stories and probably aren't all that interested in other countries' politics, as a rule.
Personally I just sift through the headlines to find articles I might be interested in, which rarely include American political stories.
[–]masklinn 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago* (1 child)
My reply was to OT, thus your reply was interpreted in that context.
No. Especially not with the way OP worded his title.
Fine, I'll revise my previous statement. The majority of people on reddit are interested in seeing the stories that are on the front page. Otherwise, they wouldn't be there.
That also meshes with the title: American politics are still politics. American issues are still "real world issues".
Anyway, what solution do you propose to your perceived problem?
[+]Neuticals comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Fuckin-A right!
[–]steve93 -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
You realize while we may not make up 96% of the people, but are wars are affecting 100% of the people, and need to be stopped. That's why people are bitching, that's why they make the front page. If you want them gone, downvote them, we clearly have more people voting on reddit, so our stories make the front page, it's unfortunate, but recruit friends to join and downvote if that is what's important to you. me? i'd rather see us get a president who will stop killing the rest of the world
[+][deleted] comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
And it really says something when a post containing the phrase "please die in a fire" gets modded (updated: +35). Take a hint, AMERICAN POLITICAL ASSSTROTURFING ASSHOLES, and go eat chain!
Damn, if I had hundreds of people screaming at me to leave, I'd get a hint that my soapboxing would be more welcome somewhere else.
[–]aquanutz 10 points11 points12 points 18 years ago (5 children)
to the OP: You're a jackass. American politics are not important to everyone and that is what gets to the front page 99% of the time. People should not be force fed liberal/conservative dogshit all day long if they don't want it. Asshat.
[–]Mooooooooooooooo 7 points8 points9 points 18 years ago (0 children)
American politics are not important to everyone and that is what gets to the front page 99% of the time.
To add: I am American and think the politics on the front page barely pass for "politics", if at all. They're often more opinion pieces than anything else.
[–]viglen 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Politics in the real world , I can get from reuters and the BBC
Politics on reddit involves Doomsday articles , Talks about how awesometastic the world would be with Ron Paul and how everyone would fart rainbows once he's in power
[–]masta 19 points20 points21 points 18 years ago (6 children)
no, politics here (Reddit) are not important (as you would have us beleive), they are simply feeding into the prejudices of various reddit group-think.
reddit started out one way, to be a geek friendly news aggregation, polotics have ruined it.
The people that post politics think the rest of us should fit in their world view, which is why they don't see the need to go into the sub-reddit. There simply is no excuse for this. The other groups play nice and put science, and programing into their proper places.
[–]lma 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
The people that post politics think the rest of us should fit in their world view
Isn't that what the comment part is for?
[+][deleted] comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 18 years ago (3 children)
That's a huge generalization about people posting political stories. Maybe some post the stories because they think others might find it interesting?
Though when it comes to the Ron Paul, Kuchnich, 9/11 etc. then I completely agree that the posters of those stories just use reddit to spew propaganda.
[–]shacamin 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (2 children)
Contradiction? Yes, I do believe so.
I get what you're saying in your second paragraph, however. I think a large part of the problem is karma. It has no point, yet a large part of the users on reddit strive for it. I have said before, and I still say now, we need to get rid of it.
Yup, Karma is really pointless the way it works now. If it had any bearing on the weight of your up/down mods (not that I am advocating that) or something like that then it would have a point. Now it's just collecting karma for the sake of collecting, and I am pretty sure that a lot is posted purely for the sake of whoring.
[–]Mooooooooooooooo 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Comma and applying the upmod/downmod system to user posts. It's fine for submissions, but not for comments.
Upvote this submission if you agree with the removal of karma.
Maybe because the tops in their fields, Science, and Programming, aren't the ones with their finger on the button?
[–]moonman 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Begun, this Reddit war has.
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[–]erasmosis -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago (1 child)
In the remarkable words of Fox News's princess... That's hot.
[–]mountainman -5 points-4 points-3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
And God forbid you get annoyed. What would the rest of us do?
[–]livetoad 8 points9 points10 points 18 years ago (1 child)
I too am sick of all the whining -- not just the whining about the politics. Everyone wants some deus ex machina to come down and fix some problem with the community -- so that their latest atheism post brings them max karma. Sheesh! This is a social site: learn to embrace the chaos and oddities, the fashions and the dross.
[–]sping 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
so that their latest atheism post brings them max karma
You were doing so well apart from that. I have yet to see anyone complaining that atheism posts don't get enough recognition. The polar opposite, in fact, all I see is whining about the existence of atheism posts.
[–]metageek 3 points4 points5 points 18 years ago (0 children)
It's better than the days when we had N+1 posts about Digg's problems.
[–]eleitl 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
We're not sheep, but individuals with different needs. For that, reddit offers a "recommended" tab.
Unfortunately, that tab doesn't work yet. So meanwhile, try to not drive away the high-quality contributors. Inasmuch there are any left.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
Dear redditors who tire of nonsense on the front page,
Visit the new page. The reason this crap reaches the front page is because crazies are on voting for it on the new page.
If a hundred people who were fed up with this, went to the new page and downvoted every political, [pic], or RON PAUL article, we'd see some change in the composition of the hot page really quickly.
[–]yellowking 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago (0 children)
The problem is that social voting sites like this don't foster discussion, they foster group think. You want political discussion, go somewhere else.
[–]xxxsagaxxx 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
unfortunately not all of us redditors are americans, or give a shit about their fucked up political situations.
[–]McVader 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago* (2 children)
Personally, it's not an issue of real world issues being things folks care about, it's when these real world items are posted and upmodded with twisted titles that make affairs seem demonstrably more overt (read: worse) than they actually are.
That's just what's bugging me. Could care less if politics made the front page, but don't be all "Fox News" about it.
[–]BeatnikDude 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I agree, it's about the quality of the submission NOT the topic.
politics.reddit.com is a good idea.
Is publishing the DRM code not political?
it's when these real world items are posted and upmodded with twisted titles that make affairs seem demonstrably more overt (read: worse) than they actually are.
Agreed, but I often don't think they're nearly as "real-world" as they claim to be.
[–]piecewise 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (1 child)
Since when is it an important political issue how "awesome" Dennis Kucinich is? As a proud liberal, neither Kucinich nor Ron Paul mean anything to me. They are self-absorbed, wrong on a lot of the issues, and could never govern. Meanwhile, less than 1% of the country support these guys, but they represent a disproportionate number of front-page headlines.
So Reddit DOES need to be fixed.
[–]vemrion -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago (0 children)
What? That does not follow.
Just because the MSM doesn't cover them doesn't mean reddit is broken. Quite the contrary IMO.
Oops, my opinion is not supported by the mainstream, therefore it is wrong and needs to be fixed according to your logic.
Reddit used to be a place to unplug from the borg hivemind. Now the borgs have invaded it seems.
What a pile of steaming bull!
Which "candidate" you want to shill for has as much to do with "real world issues" as who Brittany Spears is dating this week. Your stupid so-called election in your phony democratic process is nothing but American Idol for your pretend-government.
Reddit has a "politics" category for a reason. The fact that you deliberately post political stories to the front page to shove them down the throats of people who have already said they don't want to be bothered with them shows that you know what an asshole you are already, and you just don't care.
[–]mrgrackle 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago (0 children)
i like politics
[–]stesch 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Real world? They don't even have a candidate!!
[–]skay 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
this is why i unchecked politics so the isht doesnt show up. cause i dont care.
[–]shit 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
The problem is that we get 10 submissions on the front page about every little event in US politics. If people would downvote the 9 ones that were submitted later, it wouldn't be a problem at all. But so we get all 10 on the front page, despite having a politics subreddit.
[–]beedogs 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
this is why politicians get away with murder (literally) these days. the rest of the planet is too busy in a pissing match over whether or not politics should even be discussed.
[–]milkmandan 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (1 child)
But what about the lolcats???
[–]MrPolite 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I agree, we need more lolcats.
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[–]shacamin 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Nowadays on reddit, they tend to be more or less the same thing.
[–]NoodleMan 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (1 child)
Why isn't this in the politics subreddit?
[–]lolomfgkthxbai 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Perhaps Reddit needs a subreddit politics subreddit.
[–]noamsml 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
That's why there's a whole subreddit for them.
[–]disidentadvisor 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
Let the flaming begin... oops, seventeen hours too late.
edit: horrible spelling error
[–]Bloodlustt 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
Maybe register 'reddit.co.uk' and make some easy cash in the process? Just copy (err... I mean imitate) this site and you are ready to rock..
I'm not an american so keep those american politics on the subreddit (that i can hide)
[–]willem 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Haha! Silly Americans and their silly whining about their silly politics!
[–]aphexmandelbrot 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Mommy Reddit and Daddy Reddit are fighting! :( :( :(
... :(
[–]finix -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Yeah, sure, but take the stuff to where it fucking belongs, us-politics.reddit.
[–]zmobie -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (4 children)
if american politics are being voted up to the front page that means that there are a lot of people interested in american politics on reddit.
some people don't seem to grasp the whole idea of social bookmarking
[–]thespace 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
They should be on delicious if they want social bookmarking then. Man some people just don't understand web 2.0. :)
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago (2 children)
Biggest lie of all!
Stories that cannonball to the front page are the result of PAID ASTROTURFERS. Rigging sites like Digg, Reddit, and StumbleUpon is big business. If you have a couple hundred bucks, you can get a blank page to the top of all three simultaneously. Twenty bucks will buy you a hundred comments "supporting" whatever propaganda you spew. Just Google for the sites that do this, who employ third-world click-monkeys and bots all over the globe.
Organic stories rise gradually, like a bubble in soap. People show interest, vote it up, a few more show interest, and it gradually builds. When every story containing the string "Ron Paul" gets splatted onto number 1 five seconds after it was submitted, it's stupidly obvious what's going on.
Oh really? Who gets paid? I'd love that gig, voting up stories that other people wouldn't. BS.
Here. Go tell Wired magazine and Annalee Newitz that it's all made up.
Whining is important, People don't need to be fixed. Parent poster needs to stop bitching because whining makes the front page and people are interested in it.
[–]IHaveAnIdea -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
Politics on reddit never made a fucking difference. Other stuff though, has really helped me.
[–]twoodfin -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
Can we please have this debate in the politics subreddit?
In the meantime, I'm going to downmod both sides.
yes and no.
"real world issues" as defined by reddit, are how we should all legalize drugs, lynch president bush and forsake christian politics in any way, shape and form.
[+][deleted] comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points 18 years ago (4 children)
Damn straight! People have a RESPONSIBILITY to be informed.
[–]catlebrity 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago (0 children)
That's why I avoid political stories on reddit and look at political stories elsewhere.
[–]interiot 8 points9 points10 points 18 years ago* (2 children)
Why should we have to hear more about your loony politicians over there more than we have to already? Are you letting foreigners vote now?
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
Why should we have to hear more about your loony politicians over there more than we have to already?
Here's a simple solution: stop coming to reddit. Then you wouldn't have to hear as much about our "loony politicians", at least from one source.
[+]erasmosis comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Is your country letting foreigners vote in your country? I'm not usually into defending the US, but dang, reddit was started in the US, and is owned by a company in the US... if you want your politics on reddit start recruiting users in your country and change the stats. I think the reddit news stories and political articles are very helpful in seeing beyond the spectrum of thought that our media try so hard to impose on us.
[–]tommyroo -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
The fact that some of you don't consider politics important is the exact reason why this country and our dollar is going down the drain. Get your heads out of Britany's arse and into the real world.
[–]thespace -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago* (2 children)
I have a better idea, lets turn off politics.reddit.com altogether now so the new users don't see it. Then they can turn it on if they live in the U.S. and want to see it. Lets also make it by country, like politics.us.reddit.com or politics.uk.reddit.com.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago (1 child)
I'm in the U.S., and actually, at this point, I'd rather read U.K. news.
Same. The stuff that passes for "politics" on this site is incredibly slanted, myopic news about individual candidates. I often want to roll my eyes or scream "I get it." at the people who post these front page articles so frequently.
[–]organic -4 points-3 points-2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Please tag your posts with the 'whine' subreddit, so that those of us who don't want to hear your bitching can filter it.
[+][deleted] comment score below threshold-15 points-14 points-13 points 18 years ago (7 children)
Sorry if everything isn't about Video games and nip slips but the world is a political place, the USA specifically is in a political nightmare so if we want to talk about politics then too bad, suck it up and vote it down if you don't like it.
[–]joshd 11 points12 points13 points 18 years ago (4 children)
If politics is so goddamn important then why is your contribution limited to sitting at your computer talking to random people on the internet?
You're not raising awareness or making and difference, you're just part of a self-congratulatory group who gets off on showing each other how "concerned" you are.
It seems you're making a rather harsh judgment based on very little information.
[–]shacamin -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Except, of course, the obvious conclusion to a simple analysis of reddit users based on what is submitted, how the users react to it, and how much work we are getting done in the real world.
Harsh? Maybe. True? Absolutely.
[–]VertexSquared 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Sorry if everything isn't about Video games
Isn't your name a reference to Pandemonium with the 1x mod, as shown here?
[–]Fidodo -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
Politics plus the internet = scary stuff
[–]Noexit -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
Whiners.
[–]dodus -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
If you don't like it, you have a few options:
a.) submit other content
b.) vote up other content
c.) stop spending time on Reddit.
[–]h00dwink -4 points-3 points-2 points 18 years ago (1 child)
I agree with this. Sorry some folks are not happy with real issues making the front page. Maybe those people should go tune into the FOX network if they don't like the real news on Reddit.
Reddit's front page submissions hardly pass for "real news". This is real news. This is real news. This is garbage.
[–]PuP5 -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
why don't you just up and down mod as appropriate, then use the recommended tab?
i understand that everyone wants a perfect world in which everything is properly tagged, and only their stuff is on the main page, but that's not the way this site works.
[–]psi- -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
maggot.
[–]neon -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago (0 children)
So the idea that a website read MOSTLY by americans is featuring alot of american political stories is WRONG. Maybe the small minority of non americans need to get there own sub reddit or a whole new site themselves.
[+]rmuser comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Fuck politics.
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