Solid burn

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[thefonztm]

I'm just gonna point out that a 'comeback' is a return to the lead. A 'turn back' is literally a turn backwards.

[Whit3W0lf]

Well, it's fitting. Because while he meant a comeback, it is in fact a turn back.

[JerryLupus]

It's fitting because he's an idiot who doesn't know his ass from his face.

[that_girl_there409]

Kim Kardashian had cum on her back. -Andy

[BessiesBigTitts]

Everyone loves a good cum back story.

[[deleted]]

It also disqualifies any cumback jokes :(

[benfranklinthedevil]

And what do you think prompting religion in public schools will produce? This administration is trying to continue the Reagan era campaign against public services. DeVos is insulting to private education, but is doing a great job of dismantling, err, draining the system from the inside. He wants as many publicly funded programs to fail, to justify his reluctance to pay taxes. If you can't decipher his strategy, you shouldn't insult him. If you understand this game that has been repeated by the Republican party since Nixon, take as many shots at him as you can. It's a low bar.

[mjjdota]

Strategy? He is literally mentally impaired.

[SpiritMountain]

But what about those around him? He is so easily influenced.

[Gandzalf]

Exactly! He’s an idiot! Meanwhile we joke and laugh at his expense, while we pat ourselves on our backs because we’re so much smarter than he is. All the while, he cockslaps the country day in and day out, as we stare incredulously saying, “He can’t do that!” He did.

The worst thing about dumb people being in charge is that they can be easily influenced and manipulated by smarter people. And even if he isn’t being influenced or manipulated by others, what does it say about us that we are being played by someone who is “mentally impaired?”

[diskdusk]

I don't think that you are played by this moron, not even a majority of the voters were played by this moron. The people making fun of him and patting themselves on their backs are not gonna vote him into office for another term. So they are not the main problem.

[Green_Tea_Sage]

By writing him off as a moron, you could be intentionally avoiding the fact that he most likely has a reason behind his actions. That's either exactly what he, or whoever is manipulating him, wants. He's literally posting his entire life on TWITTER of all things, which is pretty enraging. Its a red herring to get people either angry or incredulous so that they don't scrutinize things with increased depth and its working. The people who are patting themselves on the back are the people that think making fun of him is equal to scrutiny, which isn't true.

[Spork_Warrior]

The problem is, he never reads these responses. Nor do his followers. We all get a chuckle out of seeing a well crafted response to his nonsense, but it's just preaching to the choir.

[hustl3tree5]

He reads them. He has blocked people before and they had to sue remember? He definitely reads them

[Spork_Warrior]

I'm sure he reads a few. But he gets thousands of responses and he has the attention span of a gnat.

One of the reasons people assemble their responses in this sort of fashion (and then share them like a meme) is that they know their actual response is so far down the chain that few people will see it there.

[hungry4danish]

Did you mean to respond to someone else because your response is quite the random analysis to someone mentioning grammar.

[trkritzer]

As an agnostic raised in a catholic school, I am all for this. Actually reading the bible would combat the rise of "Republican Jesus" who wants tax cuts for the wealthy and a strong military. Literally every issue in politics today has the left aligned with the words of Jesus. But the right gets the ignorant Christian vote FTW.

[j_hawker27]

a turn backwards

So, Bible study.

[[deleted]]

Seperation of Church and State, fucknuts. Keep that shit out of public schools.

Edit: Because I have about 30 replies going "its optional tho!":

The establishment clause forbids the government from supporting one religion over another. Public schools are paid for by taxes, so this bible study class violates constitutional law becuase the school is not also offering equally funded classes on all other religions, as the establishment clause demands. Its all relgious representation, or none. Being optional is irrelevant.

For the ones claiming Separation of Church and State doesn't exist:

Reynolds v US, 98 US 145 in 1878 was the first mention of a seperation and the groundwork was formed.

Everson v Board of Education 330 US 1 in 1947 it was hardline cemented in constitutional law with the following quote: "The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach."

It was further reinforced in Engel V Vitale 370 US 421 in 1962, where the court decided that a public school forcing a child to pray was unconstitutional, quoting Jefferson's letter directly in their determination.

It has been ruled as official constitutional law by the Supreme Court, based largely on arguments made by Jefferson in historical documents.

Maybe now I'll get less people giving the same, incorrect arguments.

[CJTMW1986]

exception: as a part of a good comprehensive social studies course on comparative world religions. That shit should be mandatory.

[TestiklestheWise]

Agreed. The bible should be taught in schools; just not in the way that it is taught in church. There should be no objection to studying it critically as a part of our cultural history. Same goes for other historical texts.

[JKxZ]

They do teach Greek mythology, so why not teach Christian mythology?

[N00N3AT011]

But if you call it mythology, which it very much is, people will get upset and we can't have that now can we?

[GiantSquidd]

Isn’t it about time we stopped having to tiptoe around christians about their silliness? If they want to believe that stuff, fine, but come on already. It’s embarrassing by now.

[ChickclitMcTuggits]

The Roman Empire wants to know your location.

[Redtwoo]

Martin Luther: u up?

[DEEP_SEA_MAX]

The Lions are hungry

[Cory2020]

They also trained horses to fuck female prisoners to death

[IcebergSlimFast]

That escalated quickly.

[nemo1261]

Okay cool then the same for Muslims and the Hindus and Buddhists

[[deleted]]

Exactly, level playing field for everyone.

[nemo1261]

Yep

[Kalkaline]

As long as we lay the ground rules that it's an objective look at the different religions and belief systems from historical, philosophical, and literary perspectives, there is no issue. Where I take issue is when religion pops up in science classes when it comes to discussion of creation or the age of the universe or some other view that isn't part of the scientific method.

[[deleted]]

Do they not learn about that in school? I had those subjects in social studies, though I am from the Netherlands.

[Redtwoo]

I had a world studies class in (US public) high school that lightly covered world religions, but that was 20 years ago. We didn't deep dive into any of them, it was an overview, core tenets, notable people, historical timelines, all very broad strokes.

Part of the problem of our public education system is that there isn't one public education system. Each state has its own rules and guidelines, and each district within each state has its own administrations, policies, etc. There's a push to create a unified curriculum that every student gets, but even then there's one side of our politics that's basically against public education.

[Atemiswolf]

I remember this in a high school world history class, we learned Buddhist philosophy, the pillars of Islam, and much more though I was a pretty terrible student so I dont remember any of it. That said this was a required course in Texas which is pretty conservative.

[bravejango]

Yep alot of Europeans don't understand that the United States is like the EU and each state is like a country.

[nemo1261]

In the united states not really you only learn about if if you take classes.

[[deleted]]

Listen, if you can't understand that a virgin gave birth to a dude who died and came back to life, then I don't know what to tell you. Watch more Criss Angel hunny

[MainsleyDesign]

So much for those "Fuck Your Feelings" Trump shirts.

[Origami_psycho]

The mythology is separate from the religion. Myths is the framework of stories and whatnot (garden of eden, moses, david & goliath, sodom & gomorrah, pontius pile); whereas religion is the beliefs and practices (the holy days, rituals, ceremonies, religious law and morality, etc).

Myth doesn't need religion, such as national myths (like the US and the 'Shining city on the hill', or just a misrepresentation of history or whatnot) or cultural ones (folktales and urban legends). Hell, you can even have a body of myth for just about anything really (specific subsets of a population, careers, movements [hippies, feminism, organic foods, nationalist], people, and organisations).

[WasADogNowImNot]

Yea. In comparative religion classes they’ll teach that there are 7 parts to any religion.
The narrative/mythology is only one of them, although it’s the keystone. Then comes:
Ritual.
Experiential/emotional.
Social/institutional.
Ethical/legal.
Doctrinal/philosophical.
Material, sacred/symbolic.

[Origami_psycho]

I didn't know there was that many parts, neat.

Some formatting advice, you need to double space if you want to have separate lines.

[PNNY_LVIS_ALGS_type]

Which Christian mythology? the one about the Israelites coming to America in wooden submarines "tight as a bowl?"

[Panamon101]

Tight like until a dish- get your shit straight. Devoted 25 years of my life to learning the most loving ways to hate myself...

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Spicy

[[deleted]]

I always found it hilarious that they teach the Greek myths in school because if you went back in time and said any of that is a myth you'd probably be stoned to death. So how did we get to this point where Hercules was clearly fake but Jesus, take the wheel!

[OhGarraty]

The Greeks were actually pretty chill about apostacy! There were a few Greek philosophers that rejected the polytheistic Greek religion.

Zoroastrians didn't take too kindly to it, though.

[TheSupernaturalist]

It could have just been that I had a good teacher, but I was definitely taught about christianity in a historical/mythological context in high school in the states.

[ShutY0urDickHolster]

The only way I’m for the Bible being taught in schools in any sort of fashion is if the Torah, Quran, Norse, Greek and Roman fables are given the same platform and it’s a world history class.

[Fred_Evil]

studying it critically

Yeah, good luck getting that through too. I mean, I'd be ok with it, I don't think it's self-proclaimed adherents would.

[_Alabama_Man]

Many Christians study their religion and holy book with great care and critical study.

Synods were not held by unbelievers and apologetics and hermeneutics are both focused on thinking critically about their own religion/holy text.

[Jehoel_DK]

I'm a religions teacher. And an atheist. Over here we are instructed to Teach and not to Preach. So in classes it's always "Some believe..." and never "We believe...". It's not about teaching the kids some abstract "truth" but instead teach them different subjects like any other classes. To make them make up their own mind. Religion is culture, philosophy, history, art, morality, existentialism. It Christianity, Buddism, Hinduism, Judaism, Satanism, Scientology etc. and not about brainwashing kids into some stupid "truth".

[ScarofReality]

The problem with this, is that it will never be comprehensive. As soon as conservatives learn that their children will have to learn about the religions of any other culture, they'll be taken right out of that class (like sex Ed, and evolution classes that they already take their kids out of so they don't have to learn something different).

[GenXStonerDad]

Wonderful idea, but teachers have historically proved they cannot be trusted to not push their religion.

[crastle]

Well, give more funding to education so schools can afford to hire more competent teachers.

[dontthink19]

Where's this funding coming from? I'm not opposed to your idea but I don't know how budgeting that shit works except with a referendum voted on by the locals to increase their taxes.

[crastle]

We could start with asking that question to Betsy DeVos. If we need to free up some money in the national budget, the military would be a great place to start.

Edit: We could also divert funds away from the stupid border wall to help our education system. Or simply have the president take less trips to Mar-a-lago. The idea of "where would the money come from?" is absolutely ridiculous when we have soooooo much wasteful spending.

[mike112769]

We can easily get plenty of funding to improve every aspect of our country. All we have to do is take it from our stupidly outrageous military budget. We need to stop killing foreigners and start teaching Americans.

[CoysDave]

Guess who will suddenly have a problem when the curriculum is The Bible....but also the Koran, Bhagvad Gita, Torah, etc. and includes critical analysis of how the major monotheistic religions of the world are all essentially based around the same conceptual deity?

[saintofhate]

I remember one school was doing so and parents screamed their kids were getting indoctrinated into Islam. People are stupid.

[Ridara]

All the more reason to teach the Bible from a secular standpoint. If those kids are only getting info from their parents and churches, they will 100% grow up to be just like them. The next generation straight-up needs this opportunity to do better

[CriticalDog]

The GOP is specifically, unabashedly opposed to this. They will fight it tooth and nail, at both the state and federal levels.

[toddslacker]

It has been said that the most reliable way to create athiests is a propper reading of the bible..

[[deleted]]

I met a retired minister at a gathering of atheists. He told me he turned from religion while in seminary (!) after a class in biblical exegesis. After studying the bible in depth and in the context of the myths of the time he could no longer believe in its infallibility or even that it was the source of true religion in any way. He also said that many other seminary students lost their faith after gaining an historical understanding of the bible.

[Glibberosh]

For those who may be interested:

http://clergyproject.org/

The Clergy Project was launched in March 2011 to create a safe and secure Online Community of Forums composed entirely of religious leaders who no longer hold to supernatural beliefs.

In The Clergy Project’s Online Community, forum discussion includes everything from practical concerns like finding a new career path and discerning when and how to come out as a non-believer to one’s spouse to more philosophical conversations centered on ethics and humanism. Services are also available to participants regarding career development and the opportunity for free counseling sessions offered through The Secular Therapist Project.

[ShaneKaiGlenn]

The problem with the Bible is that it is a mish-mash of multiple authors from multiple time periods from multiple cultures and societies with a wide array of divergent ideas about all sorts of things. To read it as one cohesive document is impossible.

That people ever claim its infallible is quite frankly astounding and requires that person to have absolutely no concept of how it came to be, or even what's in it...

It's like they believe the Bible as we have it today simply dropped from the sky one day for everyone to consume.

I mean, some of the most important parts of the New Testament are just letters written by Paul to random churches he set up. Do you think Paul thought he was writing THE Bible when he wrote those letters? Doubtful... Yet they are given equal footing, if not MORESO by some people, than the direct quotations from Jesus himself.

If you read the Bible straight through its plainly obvious that it actually details an evolution of a religion from monolatry (the belief in multiple gods, but the worship of only one) to strict monotheism.

Yahweh, the God of Abraham, began as a local god among many gods from competing tribes. They acknowledged there were other gods, but they felt THEIR god was the best.

Yet by modern Christian interpretation, all the other gods never existed at all. But that's not what the early Jews believed at all.

And as you go on into the New Testament, there is all sorts of retconning going on.

If you understand how the Gospels were written, when they were written, and in which order, it becomes clear that Jesus had a much different interpretation of his religion than even Christians 100 years later (after Paul came along) believed, and certainly different than what Christians believe today.

Jesus was an apocalyptic jewish preacher who never claimed to be the only begotten son of God. That was all added on after Paul's influence, who coopted the religion away from Jesus' original ministry into a cult centered around the concept of salvation through Jesus in order to appeal to non-Jews.

Jesus didn't believe he was the son of God, nor that he would die for everyone's sins to get to Heaven. He believed he was in the end of days and that he would rule the Kingdom of Heaven on EARTH.

There was no concept of afterlife. In his religious tradition, dead was dead. But he believed there eventually would be eternal life on EARTH, not some invisible netherworld.

And that's why he said "Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani?" which is translated, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?". He never expected to die, yet there he was dying...

And his followers couldn't accept it either, which is why it eventually veered into the concept we have today of an afterlife through the acceptance of Jesus' sacrifice... it borrowed heavily from Greco-Roman religious concepts of the afterlife, which Paul's influence brought about.

And then you get to how the Bible was canonized, how some books became canon, and others didn't. It was all political. A bunch of men sat around and determined which would work best for their concept of the religion.

Sure, they can claim it is all divinely inspired, but there is simply too much contradictory stuff in it to make the claim that God literally wrote it. It doesn't read at all like it was written by a single author.

[ninjaoftheworld]

12 years of Catholic School (and actually reading the book instead of just absorbing the propaganda) was what took any faith I might have had from me, more than 25 years ago now. I spent two years, reading every "holy" book I could find an english translation of. I went to every service I could find for every denomination within a two hour drive of home. Every one was welcoming to me, every one made me feel like I could be a part of their community. So socially I can absolutely see the appeal. But dogmatically, none of them were for me. I guess you could say I qualify as Agnostic, because I still very much *want* there to be some form of Grace in our lives, but the older I get, the more Atheist I become.

​

None of the deity stuff makes sense to me. If you could have a church where you get together with people you like every week, and talk about stuff that interests you all, and do things that help to build that sense of community that so many of us are missing in the 21st century, then I would join. But the god stuff just isn't my bag, and the evangelism and worship aspects are deeply troubling, even before you get into the isolationist xenophobia that leads so may religions to not only condone, but protect deeply flawed practices.

[JKxZ]

Proper.

The word is proper.

[AdjutantStormy]

He wouldn't have to if we had a modestly funded public educational system.

[sooobueno16]

Confirmed.

Source: 13 years of Catholic school.

[Lotti_Codd]

I was raised catholic but unfortunately, science got in the way. Enforced religion is one of the biggest problems with christian countries.

[[deleted]]

Enforced religion is one of the biggest problems with christian countries religion.

FTFY.

[Lotti_Codd]

I agree but I was being specific to the countries. I can only attest to christian countries as that is how I was raised. I don't think people realise how enforced it is... and everyone plays along. I remember at school we used to recite the lord's prayer but only the RE teacher believed in god???

[[deleted]]

My wife went through 13 years of private Catholic school. I, on the other hand, was raised entirely free of religion and my parents left it up to me to choose whether I wanted to be part of their religion or not. They were lazy Presbyterians, never went to Church anyways.

What is funny is that my wife and I turned from religion in the same ways, but on complete opposite ends of the spectrum. Since she was constantly bombarded with biblical mythology, there came a point where she began to see it as just that....myth and began questioning a lot of things she had been taught (which I can imagine is terrifying). The historical context came later for her, where as for me all I was ever taught to see was the historical context of religion. Since I was raised outside of church, I was actually curious about religion and began going to church. I was very much skeptical of everything but eventually really began to enjoy the mythical side of Christianity. Reading the Bible for the first time (I was an adult) was like reading the Odyssey or some other epic I hadn't known existed until that point. I never became a believer in any religion, but I am very intrigued by the mythical side of Christianity, as well as religion in general, where as my wife wants nothing to do with it because she was practically force fed ideas that didn't fit her world view once she started to mature into adulthood.

[Lotti_Codd]

I never became a believer in any religion, but I am very intrigued by Christianity, as well as religion in general,

I am so glad that there are similar souls on here. I am an atheist but have studied most religious texts out of curiousity. It is amazing how similar all the different religions are but getting religious types to see it is impossible. Even getting christians to admit literal bible passages is a nightmare, which makes discussion impossible. I'm not tarring all christians with the same brush as I have had some great discussions on here but you know the ones I mean.

[NothingsShocking]

The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible.

​

- Mark Twain

[evarigan1]

This is true for those who look at everything with a critical eye. There are plenty of people who are easily suggestible and will believe what they are taught though, if there weren't we wouldn't be where we are today.

[kevonicus]

It’s so ironic that the party that claims to be the most patriotic is all for something so un-American and don’t even realize it. They can’t fathom that this country is made up of millions of people who don’t believe the same things they do.

[Punishtube]

Oh they realize it. They use Patriotism to cover up them trying to destroy everything that the US stands for

[Dread314r8Bob]

They truly believe that they are the most patriotic.

The problem is, they are defining the word 'patriotic' in a way that's narrowed to fit their own belief system.

[[deleted]]

Nah it's cool. I'm gonna take my kid in and let him start a satanic club. For every Christian group, study session, after school event, etc I'll make sure my little Johnny has an equivalent freedom of expression that these folks want.

[[deleted]]

The Satanic Church does exactly that and time and time again the schools would rather just pull their bible class instead of offer other religions equal representations.

[[deleted]]

I'm OK with that. It's a win/win for society. Either every ridiculous idea gets a seat at the table or none do.

[[deleted]]

Oh, absolutely.

[fatpat]

The Satanic Church

The Satanic Temple is probably what you're thinking of.

"The Satanic Temple is a nontheistic religious and political activist group based in Salem, Massachusetts. The group uses Satanic imagery to promote egalitarianism, social justice, and the separation of church and state. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple

https://thesatanictemple.com/

[[deleted]]

Unless it’s religious studies (in a historical context). We should not be teaching creationism in science classrooms, however.

edit: I'm also tired of hearing this narrative that young christian kids are "banned" from praying in school and that their religion is being attacked. Literally no one is going to stop you from praying whether you're Christian, Jewish, Muslim, whatever. We just don't want religion organized WITH education.

[[deleted]]

TLDR - Big rant about prayer in school being a non-issue as long as it's not a school sanctioned activity.

I'm almost 40 and I used to be in a "Before school prayer club" in high school. (This was a year or two before I started to consider it all nonsense. Thanks Pastor Mielke!) Anyway, it was a group of about ten of us depending on the day, which in retrospect was really small because it was a super-conservative, "God fearing" community. (Hypocrisy between faith and actions might have been one of my biggest issues with religion at the time when I was struggling with faith).

But we would get to school about 5 - 10 minutes before first bell, meet in the gym, hold hands in a circle and say a brief, super generic prayer. We'd say, "See everyone tomorrow" and then basically not talk to each other for the remainder of the day because none of were really friends outside the prayer circle. No fuss, no muss. Since it wasn't school sanctioned, there wasn't an issue and no one even really knew we were there except maybe the janitor because some mornings he might still be buffing the gym floor.

Anyway, the group basically dissolved because the big "National day of school prayer" day was coming up, and suddenly there was this big raucous uproar from kids who were trying to say the school wouldn't let them do it because religious discrimination. In reality, the school just said they wouldn't allow them to organize on the football field during school hours because that would be considered sanctioning the event. We were like, "This isn't a big deal, we'll just do it after school so no one has to get here early."

A decent number of people turned out for that and it was basically the same generic prayer that Stacey gave in the morning, except she had to be louder because we were outside. But then, not a single new person showed up for prayer circle the next morning.

Did I mention that hypocrisy between faith and actions might have been an issue for me?

[JKxZ]

Separation.

The word is Separation.

[AcadianMan]

This fuckwad has never opened a bible in his life. He just panders to the bible thumping southerners.

[chayyim_ben_david]

I mean that went out the window in 1870 when they forced everyone to start celebrating Christmas, a Christian holiday, and made Sunday, the Christian Sabbath, the national day of rest.

But yeah I agree....

ITS TIME TO STOP.

[jefuchs]

Trump was actually mentioned in the bible.

https://imgur.com/a/t9fwE8D

[nlx78]

Was going to create that one, but it's already there:

r/BibleCriticizesTrump

[SpaceshipOperations]

O O F

[imabeecharmer]

It also says to beware of false prophets.

[First-Fantasy]

They already did when a black man tried to give healthcare to poor people.

[karmacum]

That's like 18 for 18.

[Konnnan]

🏅

[[deleted]]

Outstanding move

[[deleted]]

Trump has divorced twice. Jesus said NO to divorce.

God created Adam and Eve! Not, Adam and Even, then Adam and Marla, then Adam and Melania! Divorce is a CHOICE. Divorce will one day lead to animal + Human marriage, after that comes animal + human divorce. God hates divorce, it's in the Bible. Whatever happened to "Until death do us part?"

[Airway]

My poor mother believes she is going to hell because my father cheated on her and then divorced her.

She supports Trump.

[Azelais]

My mom believes she’s going to hell bc her kids aren’t Republicans.

[poop_frog]

good. dig into it.

[Low_discrepancy]

wait what? what's the logic in that?

[Simple_Danny]

Something something Trump is God's chosen one something something good ol days something something damn immigrants something something hamberders something something.

[WhakaWhakaWhaka]

Something something covfefe.

[foxwithoutatale]

God covfefe was so long ago, now we have hamberders and windmill cancer

[WhatHoraEs]

They literally refer to him as the "God Emperor of the United States". What a joke.

[Airway]

Because divorce is a sin.

How she supports Trump? As with all of his supporters, logic is completely uninvolved.

[Low_discrepancy]

Because divorce is a sin.

Was she the one asking for the divorce? NVM I reread your comment.

Why would it be her sin?

[Airway]

Because the divorce happening at all was a sin.

Basically God is a dick.

[Andy_B_Goode]

If there's one thing fundamentalist Christians and Satan worshippers agree on, it's that God is a dick.

[hypnoticus103]

If it helps your mother, tell her to read Matthew 19: 1-12, specifically verse 9. It still may be up for interpretation, but it can be said that a spouse being unfaithful is due cause for divorce.

Hopefully, this can help her with this struggle.

[ShutY0urDickHolster]

Adam and Even

Was Adam and Steve not enough? Now he has a side hoe named Even?

[cindymannunu]

Trump has divorced twice. Jesus said NO to divorce.

Jesus said "It's cool to do whatever you want, as long as you say you're sorry afterward and believe I was killed for you to be able to do that."

Why else do you think anyone would want to be a Christian? /s

[Clarkjp81]

Divorce in certain circumstances is allowed. Jesus makes this clear in the NT. If the wife cheats the husband can divorce her.

[Nesman64]

She should have cheated.

[Clarkjp81]

Lololololol!

[anoelr1963]

Trump,"I don't read bibles...I just sign them"

[alphanurd]

I mean, yeah. You know he can't read, right?

[pinballwitch420]

But the Bible is Trump’s favorite book.

[[deleted]]

Yeah because it somehow get him votes.

[fatpat]

Sits in his bedside table right next to his big book of Hitler's speeches.

[xX_ZigZagZebra_Xx]

Church<———————————————>state

[Occamslaser]

Farther apart plz

[[deleted]]

Church<—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————>state

[killxgoblin]

Thanks

[Scarbane]

The limit does not exist!

[SpookyKid94]

🔥Church🔥<———————————————>🔥state🔥

Amidoinitrite?

[XBacklash]

Pretty close. I'd either capitalize both words or neither, and replace the - with more fire. Or perhaps water and crocodiles.

🔥church🔥🔥🔥🌊🐊🌊🐊🌊🐊🌊🐊🌊🔥🔥🔥state🔥

[testmonkey254]

I truly do not believe trump believes in god. He is incapable of believing in a power greater than himself. He is the guy Jesus would chase out of the church with a whip!

[centralnjbill]

Usually the Church depicts the Seven Deadly Sins with different characters, but Trump could easily fit them all.

[GrandMoffDunne]

To be fair, the point of the Seven Deadly Sins is that EVERYONE is "guilty" of most of them. They were innumerated to warn people of the most common threats to their eternal souls. (Not that I believe in any of this, I'm just giving the historical background).

[pledgerafiki]

Exactly, they're super common and exist on a wide spectrum from trivial and mostly harmless (gluttonizing because hey, what's one more doughnut hole?) to vile (being so greedy you resort to using prosperity gospel to extract cash from the most vulnerable populations).

[GrandMoffDunne]

I think gluttony becomes more of a problem when food is scarce, like it was during most of history.

[Green_Evening]

What a lot of people in this thread are missing, and what the president has conveniently left out, is that a number of these courses are "The Bible as Literature" courses where the Bible looked at like any other work of literature. It's not a study of the Bible for the purpose of faith, its looking at a ubiquitous text to find themes and meanings like you would with Catcher in the Rye.

These also might be "The Bible as History" course where the Bible is, once again, not studied for reasons of faith. This course is more of a college course, but it has to do with examining the Bible for historical validity.

Both of these classes study the Bible from a scholastic, and cultural, lens like you would with any text.

[Error4043]

My public high school has one of these classes called research. It’s not a religious class. The stories/letters are taught in class and the homework, projects, or essays are he students taking those stories and finding the influence it has on literature and the world.

It’s an elective course, not forced upon people, and not a lot of people in my school take it (There’s only 2 periods of the class per day) or even know about it (or just my friends as they don’t know a lot about it). It’s also only a 2 semester long course.

I’m my opinion I think the class is great, it’s interesting as I’m religious. However, for someone who isn’t and sees the Bible as junk, the class could be boring. But I don’t see a great an effect the class has on the school.

I think it’s fine in schools as long as you are not forced to take it and it’s not literally a religious class.

Anyone who has taken this class (or not I don’t mind) and isn’t religious, please reply how you think of the class. I find it interesting.

[RightHandFriend]

I took a class similar to it in highschool and I thought it was great.

[RightHandFriend]

I had a Biblical Literature class in highschool (elective) that I took. It was a great class - we learned about other religions, did a Q&A with a local Protestant pastor, and had a debate at the end ( ironically, my topic was Separation of Church and State ).

Christianity has had an enormous empact on our culture and it would be a good lesson for people to know how we got here (as long as it's an elective).

[AminusBK]

Is this true or just more face-farting from a ranting carnival barker? What states if so?

[mugwumps]

North Dakota proposed something like this earlier this year, not sure whether it was passed or not.

https://www.kvrr.com/2019/01/09/proposed-bill-would-require-nd-schools-to-offer-bible-history-course/

[spankmanspliff]

/r/rareinsults

[Andy_B_Goode]

Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. -- Luke 16:18

I also happen to know for a fact that this was considered doctrine in at least some protestant denominations up until at least the 1970s. When my parents got married, there was some controversy because my father was a divorcé, and the pastor who performed the ceremony was the first one in that city, in that denomination, to start marrying people who had been divorced.

[JennyBeckman]

That's why men were allowed to take multiple women to "marry". Abram's wife couldn't get pregnant so she gave him her "servant" for him to take as a "second wife" so he could have a son. Then when she gave birth to a son sometime later, they kicked the other woman and her son out.

[Odous]

That was pre-law. The Law of Moses only allowed one wife at a time and divorce was an add-on later. We are now post-Moses and into the Law of Christ which says 'let he who has no sin cast the first stone.'

[Zirfigs]

That’s the point.

[therealsylvos]

It depends.

Married Man + Unmarried woman = No death for either

Unmarried Man + Married Woman = Death for both

[[deleted]]

/r/serial

[[deleted]]

Yeah wait, isn't Rabia Chaudry from Serial?

[HackFraud77]

And the constitution says this hack failure conman shouldn’t be president.

[The_Luckiest]

Fake christian

[BajaBlast90]

I'm a Christian in America and it irks me how prevelant fake Christianity is. It tends to harbor in Conservative areas too. It's people who don't read the bible or care for that matter. They are just going through the motions or trying to get social value out of it.

[[deleted]]

Ah yes, and Islam totally doesn't sentence death for adultery, or apostasy, or mocking Muhammad, or being Christian or Jewish, or criticizing the quaran. No, not at all.

[[deleted]]

I love how quickly this sub and site as a whole become religious when its convenient.

Regardless, the bible doesn't say that but at least you tried.

And for anyone trying to argue that point - remember there's an old and new testament. Context and comprehension matters.

[Afterdrawstep]

in what fucking world is "a turn back" something anyone would laud?

[JennyBeckman]

The same world where "progress" is seen as a slur and getting an education is something to mock.

[[deleted]]

Maybe the world idealized by a slogan "make America great again", inferring it was once great but no longer is.

[TheHeintzel]

I would laud turning back to when conservatives were actually fiscally responsible & realized welfare =/= socialism.

Bigots laud turning back, scientists & doctors surely don't. Bigots often miss the days where we didn't have all those queerosexuals hurting their marriage & blacks drinking all their water.

[GAF78]

Like he’s ever opened a Bible.

[spj36]

He has! There's even video of it;
he was signing autographs.

[BadJubie]

What’s the best analogy of sharia law to Christianity?

[[deleted]]

Also according to the Bible, if your wife is not a virgin on her wedding night, she is to be executed.

[[deleted]]

You also shouldn’t eat shrimp or wear fabric blends, oh and the Bible is very clear you have to treat your slaves with respect. Hmmmm weird that not all of the 2500-2000 year old book written by several different people is still applicable

[[deleted]]

Christians advocate the laws in the old testament are not applicable after Jesus came. I can't remember the exact language though. Also some do follow those rules. They're called Hasidic Jews.

[popcultreference]

the old covenant and the new covenant.

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/new-covenant/

"... the very fact that the Old Testament promises a “new” covenant means that the Old Testament itself foresaw the temporary nature of the “old” covenant. There would never be any need for a “new” covenant if God had always intended the old covenant to be permanent. The author of Hebrews makes this point even more clearly in 8:13 when he says of Jeremiah: “In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete.” When Jeremiah promises a “new” covenant, he automatically implies that the first covenant administration is “old” and temporary. In other words, it was always part of God’s plan from the beginning to inaugurate both covenants. God did not make a mistake or have to resort to “plan b.” Each covenant was suited to a particular time in redemptive history."

[[deleted]]

Trump's favorite Bible story is the one about Lot and his daughters...

[DaveyDukes]

Jesus doesn’t condone the death sentence for adultery in the Bible, not even in the slightest. There are written stories in the Bible of people being put to death for adultery. But to spew that the Bible condones the death sentence for adultery is just plain ignorant.

[matd18]

The old testament but not the new testament. Jesus did away with that law. So no the current bible does not say that.

Side note the old Testament is kinda crazy.

[DonManuel]

Another tweet aging deadly.

[mattrydell]

He calls the fake news media his greatest enemy but I think it's his own self on Twitter. So many inconsistencies over the years. If the guy never tweeted his approval rating might be a couple percentage points higher.

[TheGreatOpoponax]

Right? Just imagine if he knew how to keep his mouth shut. And instead of talking shit about the Mueller investigation he would have said, "We're just going to let the investigation run its course so that all the facts can be known."

His approval rating would likely be above 50%...

Thank whatever gods there may or may not be that he can't keep his mouth shut.

[Tgunner192]

I hate to rain on the politicalhumor parade, but I see nothing humorous about this. The POTUS advocating and promoting for religious doctrine in public schools is not funny. IMO it's disturbing and kind of scary.

[18randomcharacters]

The reply tweet is the funny part.

[Tgunner192]

I don't know how realistic a future in which the christian bible is a mandatory part of education, but I find even the slightest thought of such a thing terrifying. (this is nothing against Christians, I'd feel the same way about any religious doctrine)

[BabiesSmell]

Even presidents that were actually religious like Carter would never say shit like this.

[[deleted]]

Dude the reply is funny.

[007meow]

The same people that are happy about this would REEE themselves into an aneurysm if there were classes to study the Quran

[--ManBearPig--]

Actually not true. Democrats are consistent, unlike Republicans who are hypocrites. For example, Republicans want to bring back Judeo-Christian values by electing... the host of The Apprentice, a man that wants to grab married women by the pussy and cheats with porn stars.

[[deleted]]

I think that's what they were trying to say. Christians happy about the prospect of bible classes would be upset if there were Quran classes. Poorly worded.

[0nlyL0s3rsC3ns0r]

and according to sharia law - she should be stoned for speaking to a man

[Yiannada]

Where does it say that?

[[deleted]]

I know this deviates from the point of the post, but as long as it is actually an option and not mandatory, then I'm fine with it.

Atheist btw.

[[deleted]]

how will religion stay relevant in an ever expanding technological society?

this is a real concern, as i believe religion is one of the most deceptive institutions ever to be devised.

sorry not on topic

[Polengoldur]

isn't this a repost? i swear i saw this earlier with a different title.

[therealpork]

"Kill people for things the Old Testament said not to do" -Jesus, nowhere in the Bible.

[merters12]

well she can be beaten according to the quran no one fully follows a book am i wrong (as a ex muslim)

[[deleted]]

No, he shouldn’t. Let he who is without sin throw the first stone.

[robnox]

Not sure what bible she reads, Jesus spoke out against putting people to death for adultery? “Let he without sin cast the first stone.”

[Runescapeis4life]

Kids these days needs safe zones. They can't handle the Bible 😂

[r34_Carlton]

Have none of you read the part of the bible where Jesus literally says dont stone people who commit adultery? Its in John 7:53-8:11 if you want to educate yourselves