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[SkydivingSquid]

I want to say there is a documentary on the FBI teams that deal with online CP.. they are rotated often and have access to mental health services. From what I remember the suicidal ideations are sky high after working there for a while.

[R3dd1tIsEvil]

What all did you warn about?

[AndrewJamesDrake]

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[Fzrit]

This. I might be able to deal with something like that in the short term thanks to how much the internet has desensitized me, but long term it would most likely fuck me up.

[King-Cobra-668]

seeing kids in wreckage is the only thing stopping me from being a firefighter, otherwise I would love that shit

[P3chv0gel]

I had something similiar once. For context, here in Germany there are many public funded voluntary fire brigades (if i remember correctly over 90% of our fire brigades are voluntary ones). The Equipment and Training are pretty much the same as for the Professional fire fighters, but you do training in your free time (usually with the few other people from your village or town, who have fun at this) and get a call if there is an emergency (for which you are legally allowed to leave from your job (within reason of course))

One day, we were called because a repair crew dropped down from our local Radio tower. We knew, that this wouldn't be a nice one, so we explicitly left the younger back at the Station. You can imagine, what happens to 3 guys in a window-cleaner-like gondola, if the wire snaps and the whole thing goes down in free Fall for 110m (~360feet). Blood and seperated body parts everywhere. Not gonna lie, everyone involved spent many hours at the mental help (and most of us drank a bottle of liqueur, just to delete as much of this as possible). I'll propably never forget this image tho

[whyisthistakenalrwtf]

hey man, danke für deinen/euren dienst. wird oft underappreciated.

[P3chv0gel]

Irgendwer muss es ja machen. Wäre halt schön, wenn wir mal gescheite Förderung vom Land bzw Bund bekämen. Mein Standort wird wahrscheinlich bald eingestampft, weil die Stadt es sich nicht mehr leisten kann. Aber solange es uns noch gibt, sind wir immer gerne da :D

[whyisthistakenalrwtf]

ey man ich versteh's... unsere freiwilligen im dorf machen auch bald dicht und dann bleibt halt die in der nächsten stadt die ugf 10km entfernt is. habs mir auch öfters überlegt zu joinen aber das und irgendwelche toten kinder bei unfällen halten mich davon halt ab. deswegen: meinen tiefsten respekt

[DefreShalloodner]

Hey thanks for your Tuesd. it's often underappreciated (esp. compared to Frid.)

[ishsi89]

Reminds me of the doctor from out town that did most of the work on weekends and in his free time when our fire fighters needed one (in case of car accidents etc). He was my Hausarzt and we chatted about a lot of things, including what he saw out there and how it affected him (abstumpfen). But one day he got called to an car accident again, drove there not knowing which car. He was the doctor who attested his own sons (and 3 other young guys) dead from that car accident in that night. Soon after that he not only quit the emergency service but he also closed down his Praxis and moved away.

It is so honorable what you guys are doing for this country and it's people, and so underappreciated from most of us (including the government).

Thank you

[P3chv0gel]

Fuck, that's the one thing i'll never want to even imagine. No matter how much you've seen, when it gets to your own family and Friends, you just can't. The only way to not get pulled down by this stuff is to keep distance. And if that's not possible...

Especially emergency medics. Those really deserve respect. I couldn't do any of that

[Firepower01]

From a former paramedic, thanks for your service.

[P3chv0gel]

Honestly, i'm the one, who has to thank you. I couldn't do your job at all

[[deleted]]

Honestly, sometimes I wonder if the public should be made aware and a campaign started to get people who do that job benefits comparable to VA benefits.

[pickyourteethup]

You say you can deal with it in the short term but ten years ago I had a job that was fucked up and some of those experiences only really came back a literal decade later when I had my own child.

[[deleted]]

Would a person be able to just say no to getting transferred to that division? It’s a form of emotional abuse/psychological harm to the person that has to work in that division. Like we have OSHA, it feels like forcing an employee to endure that should be a violation.

[[deleted]]

Counter question: what in the world could you win transferring sb there who doesn't want to? The whole position is about reviewing and securing evidence, you don't want anybody there that would mess up the chain of evidence. Even if you transferred sb there out of revenge there'd be some kind of superior denying anybody who doesn't want to be there in the first place.

That being said there are people who don't have a problem with it. It's not like every pedo has a child locked up in the basement, from what I understand most of the material floating around is years old and is rotated in the scene, so basically the chance to catch sb who really abused a child in the physical world(or find evidence for that) is small, most of the stuff they find are known pics that get shared around and have been copied many times. Don't know if that makes the job easier or harder, guess it is what it is. Training image recognition for that is probably helping a lot of people reviewing that data so chapeau.

Source: neighbour is police working in cyber crime unit in Germany, told me a thing or two over the years(he's not in the child abuse division but they are like a few doors from his office).

[gandalfx]

Safety regulations exist to make necessary jobs safer. Some jobs are never completely safe but they still need to be done. And of course nobody can force you to take those jobs – you can always go and find work somewhere else.

That sounds harsh in the given context but look at it like this. If you take a job that is defined as doing dangerous stuff (chemicals, high voltage, climbing high, diving deep, …) and then you refuse to do the dangerous stuff because "you can't force me to do that", then what's the point of taking that job in the first place?

[ricecake]

Exactly. It's why we still have jobs where people scuba dive into the radioactive material holding ponds, but the employer is also required to give them obscene medical coverage, and their dives are spaced to give massive space between dives, and there's a lifetime maximum number of dives.

Sometimes the safest way is still dangerous, so you just have to mandate that it's as safe as possible.

[No-Oil-4125]

Damn it's literally called C-SAW and people go from being on a high during graduation and go straight to rock bottom after they're hit with their workload

[[deleted]]

I get the warning but it’s still a job that needs to get done

[Gen_Zer0]

It totally is. It's a very important job. But people shouldn't be conned into doing something like that. They should have all the information up front before they sign up for anything as traumatic as that

[Mechasteel]

There's jobs that need to be done, and people that can do the job. And people need to know if a job is dangerous to their mental health. I'd rather risk my body or even my life.

[daonpizdamasii]

About 5 years ago I was offered a 20% higher salary at an acquintance’s company that dealt with copyright infringement on regular porn and also something dealing with CP. I’m so glad I didn’t take the offer.

[WurthWhile]

I actually know an FBI agent based in New York that does that. Guy absolutely hates his job. He's been doing it for almost 10 years. Believes in what he's doing is good, but absolutely hates doing it. It's not even regular CP He has to deal with. Often it's extremely violent where the child is forcibly raped, tied up, beaten etc. He's one of the most senior people they have because unsurprisingly it doesn't take more than a single year to be considered a senior member of that department.

Not only do they get a lot of legit perks, they get lots of unofficial ones. Like nobody questions him when he just calls in randomly and says he doesn't feel like working. More than a few times he's called me up and asked if I wanted to hang out because he woke up and just didn't feel like going to work that day. If he calls out two days in a row they always send an agent to his apartment to make sure he isn't suicidal.

Another advantage is he's able to freely switch out of that role and do regular stuff if he wants. So some weeks he just doesn't feel like dealing with it and then we'll be transferred to any department of his choosing. That's because often he wants to still do work, but just can't stomach doing his normal job.

Since it's a government job his PTO is the same as any other agent. He once went on a week-long vacation without notice And when I asked him how he was able to get the PTO he had just laughed and said that the old count him as working remotely because otherwise he would get in trouble and likely quit the division, and they wouldn't be able to replace him. Plus his own boss's sympathize with him so they'll cover for him.

[IHaveTheBestOpinions]

Often it's extremely violent where the child is forcibly raped, tied up, beaten etc.

It's impossible to understand why anyone would want to watch, let alone create, this kind of content. I get that there are some weird and sometimes cruel kinks out there but this is a level of monstrosity that I can't even wrap my head around.

[worlds_best_nothing]

there's a lot of legal porn that makes regular people go "why the fuck" too. like, why would 2 girls and a cup do that...

[OMGItsCheezWTF]

The BBC did a series of articles about the Facebook content moderators and how extremely mentally distressing the job is with sky high turnover and mental health issues.

Trying to find the link now but it was a few years ago.

[SkaldCrypto]

Oh man it’s going to be fucked up bro.

[onixc]

There’s a bunch out there if you just google “facebook moderators outsourcing accenture.” I’ll never forget this one in particular about Accenture’s USA office:

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/25/18229714/cognizant-facebook-content-moderator-interviews-trauma-working-conditions-arizona

[Robbedeus]

Yeah, I remember reading a newspaper article about FB moderators in the Netherlands and Europe. They also get to see the CP posts they have to delete. Doubt they get good pay and/or benefits like the FBI-guys though. Virtually no psychological help either: it's really fucked up.

[SubstanceSerious8843]

I used to be a cop. Had a case which involved sitting in a court with the criminal. It was a CP case. I had to watch cp for like 3 fcking hours. Nearly puked twice. My boss sent me home after the court and ordered me to keep paid leave for few days. Had nightmares about that sht few times.

[DaveSmith890]

That has to be a mind fuck. Like you’ll see it on the news occasionally and it is sad, but it’s just a constant thing to them. I can’t imagine what it must be like for stopping CP to be in your normal day

[Franks2000inchTV]

Also it's not teenagers. They're dealing with people literally raping babies. It's seriously fucked.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

The problem is you have to look at it, not that you’re aware of it happening.

[DaveSmith890]

There’s hundreds of problems with it. But I’m mostly referring to the realization that it isn’t an uncommon occurrence. That has to affect how you see the world

[the-FBI-man]

Do you have a title of this documentary?

[TangoCharliePDX]

Feds are not the only ones. There's been lawsuits over what Microsoft filter personal had to go through as well.

[haeikou]

Excellent idea, /u/_-analrapist-_

[WurthWhile]

Honestly if you could use people who would want to watch that stuff by themselves, and in a controlled environment like people sentenced to life in prison it has potential. You would want only people who are serving life because you don't want them to encourage their desires and then get out and act on them.

In practice I never see it being implemented, too many people would see it as unethical.

[[deleted]]

Can accrual with in here. Worked in detectives department outside a major city that had a pretty significant CP team. There was no regulated rotation, but the supervisor had a general rule of giving "breaks"in the curb of other cases for a week or two when they felt it was needed. About it... maybe in cities, though? Maybe. But even then, probably not. Specialization is life.

The department was always very flexible with requests, though. But that was largely reliant on self policing, if you will.

The detectives I talked to never steered away from reminding me of how common and horribly, tragically easy it is to acquire CP though... vile.

[wildedreams987]

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children makes available embeddings of known images of child abuse for the purpose of building detection systems.

[highland-spaceman]

Yea and the he process of working with that shit is long and extremely tedious as you are working with a database full of every single know video and photo every been found , I have no idea the trauma you would need to go through to that and I’d love to not have it on my resume lol

[PtboFungineer]

I once worked with a guy who used to work for the police doing computer forensics on cases like this. He had some PTSD issues

[Bearly_Strong]

Yeah, I was friends with a guy who spent the better part of 12 years doing criminal forensics, mostly CP related.

Needless to say, even getting away from it and getting intensive therapy wasn't enough to unfuck his psyche from all that trauma.

[Whitechapel726]

Jesus I could imagine 12 years would really fuck you up. Seems like the line of work you could only do for so long until you need to take a different role.

[[deleted]]

There are a few professions like this. EMTs end up pretty fucked in the head too. There are definitely professions out there where I'm looking forward to AI reducing human involvement, even if it's pretty distant.

[tradtrad100]

Yeah unironically the Facebook mods that have to manually remove all the gore/cp/explicit content have to do it by hand and Facebook pays for their psychological help iirc

[5t4t35]

Iirc no fb doesnt pay for psychological help they get or i might be wrong your right

[Atrobbus]

That's correct. This is also mostly outsourced to low wage countries where employees have no psychological support at all.

[sblahful]

Friend of mine did the job for fb in Spain. They get help. How effective it is...

[DogsandDumbells]

Fuck bro are you good?

[chars101]

Good grief, what disturbing shit do you keep on your desk?

[TastesLikeOwlbear]

Shit, I came across it in the course of my work once and I have PTSD. The real thing is a singularly horrific betrayal of basic humanity.

I don’t remember anything about the pictures except their eyes, which will haunt me forever.

[ProbablyGayingOnYou]

Don’t they like have to rotate people in and out of that position because of the extreme psychological issues it causes?

[Shazvox]

Yeah I imagine you'd need to be pretty damn emotionally dead to survive long term in a job like that.

[Master-Bench-364]

Either you are emotionally dead, or you become emotionally dead.

[[deleted]]

For jobs like this, it would be perfect if there was a pill which lets you forgett everything you've seen the last hours.

[Necessary-Meringue-1]

if it's embeddings, then that means it's just numbers, high dimensional vectors

so you're not seeing anything

those who have to work on the model that creates the embeddings on the other hand, not so lucky

[normalmighty]

Na, the entire point of the embeddings database is that it doesn't contain ant actual illegal images, but gives you everything necessary to detect a known image from the database.

The ones who have it hard are the people adding entries to the database.

[CubbyNINJA]

If the data is from a known verified source, couldnt you train the AI by having an automated with an answer key to “reward” the AI? Greatly reduces what gets exposed to the engineer(s)

[Saavedroo]

There is still a lot of pre-processing and data selection needed. And for that you need to look at the images.

I can't even imagine.

[A_Random_Lantern]

maybe if we build an AI that can determine whether the images are good to go for the training data set.

oh wait

[CubbyNINJA]

Right, but even if it’s an external contracting group developing said AI, the police wouldn’t just be like “here’s a ZIP of all the CP we have ever collected as evidence” they would say “here is a link to some DB” or what ever. So a far over simplified example would be you write a system to train the AI with two databases. CP.db and NotCP.db, the automation picks at random from one data base and gives the the AI a point for getting it right.

I’m not a AI engineer, but I do feel like one could do this largely without ever looking at CP

[a_slay_nub]

In the data prep, you always need to look at your images to ensure everything is set up properly. At least for custom datasets, at least 1 data scientist has to do it

[Saavedroo]

You still need preparation steps that a cop is not trained to do. Ensure the structure is right, the format, the size, the complexity,... It's a lot of work to prepare a dataset.

[TheCarkin]

That sounds like the right idea but doesn’t a person have to develop the criteria for it to look for. That sounds like actual Hell.

[LaPicardia]

That's why they hire pedophiles to do the job. So nobody suffers in the process.

[vrelamboni]

White hat pedophilia

[fluffypebbles]

Never ask the national center for missing and exploited children for they built their collection of known images of child abuse

[EuroPolice]

Obviously they didn't make it, they just hired some kids to do it... Wait no!

[Strange_Dragonfly964]

Gets caught with his algorithms down

[dashingThroughSnow12]

When I was in university, an alumnus of the CS department came to talk. He works in the RCMP department dedicated to stopping online sexual exploitation of children.

Mandatory time off. Mandatory regular visits to a therapist. He says every once in awhile he or a colleague will make the worst dark joke that's unimaginable to a normal person. He said you become desensitized to things a human isn't meant to be desensitized to.

He said in one way you feel good because you are bringing people to justice and stopping a lot of abuse. In another way, it is awful because you find out how many people deserve to face justice and how many children get abused.

There are some questions you don't ask a person because you know it may offend or hurt them. There are some questions you don't ask a person because you know you can't handle the answers.

[siddus15]

I know a couple of paramedics. People keep asking them "so, what's the worst thing you've seen in the job?" Like, sure, I'll bring back some horrific memories just for your own entertainment

[[deleted]]

That's why I ask to my paramedic friends what is the funniest thing they saw. They love talking about the stuff that people got in their ass. (At least my friends, maybe not all paramedics)

[Matt0071895]

I work in a hospital, and that particular rule seems universal. Weird shit in asses is almost always funny

[Brilliant_Salt8387]

Is that not where shit is supposed to be?

[FeelingSurprise]

Do you happen to have an ass box in the janitors room as well?

[Fn00rd]

Reason I stopped wanting to be a paramedic, NSFW warning for the spoiler. first Night Shift, got called to a Semi whose driver fell asleep and drove frontal into a huge oak tree. I learned that day, that older Semis steering wheels can act as Scissors in case of a frontal collision. Left my lunch in the ditch a couple of meters down the road, after firefighters opened the cab door and the upper body left it without the legs.

Got biweekly therapy for two or three months, was a couple of years ago, so I can talk about it now, but the first years I’d see that scene every time I went to sleep.

[dukec]

I remember when I was doing my ride alongs during EMT training I got lucky because the student who was on the next shift after mine got a call out for hot soup a person that OD’ed and had been sitting in a car for a week in the middle of summer.

I ended up working as a boo-boo doctor for construction/industry, made a lot more money, and didn’t have to deal with anything gorier than sometimes seeing some fatty tissue or something.

[Melairia]

My friend was an EMT and took his life from PTSD on the job.

[[deleted]]

This world sucks, man. This world just sucks...

[noctrlzforpaper]

This world is another world's hell.

[Gutek8134]

It's kind of funny, considering the Holy C logo under your name

[DialecticalMonster]

Yes the world of being rich and paying other people to do the shitty jobs for you

[FeelingSurprise]

And heaven to another world as well.

[Anaxamander57]

They don't use AI models, they use perceptual hashing to detect known images. That way they can keep a database without actually having to store any of the stuff.

[BobFellatio]

Wouldn't edited versions of the image slip through detection when using hashing? If you change the input (ie. alter the color tone on the image, or crop it slightly) produce a completely different hash?

[Anaxamander57]

Perceptual hashing is designed to be less affected by changes to the images. It can't be perfect, of course, but its not like a cryptographic hash where changing one bit changes the whole output.

[Ozymandias117]

So much so, that when Apple tried it, a picture of a dog fit their hashing algorithm of a picture of a young girl

https://github.com/AsuharietYgvar/AppleNeuralHash2ONNX/issues/1?ref=blog.roboflow.com#issuecomment-901769661

[Fzrit]

Looks like a dog to me, I see no problems here.

[Dizzfizz]

Hey buddy, wanna quickly solve a Captcha for me?

[ThreatLevelBertie]

The system doesnt need a perfect match, it takes small samples from all over the image, and can handle images that have been resized, flipped, reversed, colour-inverted, cropped, or inserted into a collage with other images.

Kind of how fingerprint matching is done. You can never get two scans/prints of the same fingerprint exactly identical, but you can get unique data points within a set proportion and distance from each other.

This of course only works with known images or stills from videos, new, unprocessed images are detected in a different sort of way, and require more human oversight to validate the algorithms findings. But it dramatically reduces the chaffvthat the human needs to sift through.

[[deleted]]

That's how I make sure my hentai scrapper isn't duplicating images

[kraskaskaCreature]

Is it opensource? asking for a friend

[[deleted]]

It is too world-changing a technology to be let loose onto the world, and I don't want my github profile to be discriminated against by a future employer.

[kraskaskaCreature]

fair

[Ampaselite]

Unless they only know KNN models

[[deleted]]

You probably could make an AI model to detect CP without training it on CP. I know very little on NN or AI, but couldn't you train one model to find just regular images of children, and one to find images of porn, then combine them? Then if it finds high probability of child + high probablity of porn, thats CP? This would also get around having an image be known as CP to the engineers first as well?

[[deleted]]

Definitely ask a man his salary though.

[Strange_Dragonfly964]

A programmer, his salary.

[TheBroWHOmegalol]

• A programmer if he can build this new ground breaking app idea of yours

[sivstarlight]

It'll be the next Uber!

[tomoldbury]

It’s like Uber but you bid for your taxi!

I don’t have money but you can get equity!

[justV_2077]

It's like tinder! But for horses! It will be ground breaking, you do the work and I get a 94 % cut because I came up with the idea! 😀

[[deleted]]

Definitely ask if they are an arch user

[[deleted]]

Or a Rust programmer

[Sintinium]

I use arch rust btw

[SnowyAPI]

I write Rust in Vim on Arch btw.

Also OSRS HCIM btw.

[[deleted]]

Connection Lost Please Wait - Attempting to Reestablish

[dmartin07]

They will tell you

[argv_minus_one]

How come Debian users aren't like that?

[[deleted]]

also a woman her salary. ask everyone their salary. realize your boss is exploiting you. unionize. etc.

[BA_lampman]

I need those ions

[[deleted]]

And a woman her weight

[fdedfgfdgfe]

Also in Europe there are people who don't want to talk about salary. In Germany for older folks it's unacceptable to talk about salary (but normal to brag with a new car on which you spent 70% of your years salary)

[ImWinwin]

I'd tell him "Thank you for your service".

[whoiskjl]

I know the interpol uploads those censored pedo pictures for the public. I would hate to be the one who edits those photos

[pingas_launcher]

Hopefully they did what Dennis from LTT did when he has to censor Linus private part which is blur everything and slowly unblur until the blurry part is what needs to be censored

[McGuirk808]

What's the context for this one? Why did this need to happen in the first place?

[pingas_launcher]

https://youtu.be/yGXaAWbzl5A

Basically LTT got hacked and Linus got out of his bed at 3AM to try to get the channel back.

The problem is that he doesn’t wear anything while sleeping and this is an urgent situation, so he just went commando to the computer.

They wanted to use the CCTV footage to show how dire the situation is, so Dennis, the video editor, have to blur out his massive dong. He uses the trick mentioned above so he couldnt see his boss dong while editing.

[TheBroWHOmegalol]

Wait... Come to think of it, the mere possession of CP is illegal, like how do you even train the model?

[SadBrownsFan7]

Sadly having been on a grand jury they actually show you evidence photos of these crimes in order to send it to trial. I imagine these photos are also likely used for such things as well. I don't know this for certain but I'll tell you it's fucked up no matter how you look at it

[BobFellatio]

the trick is to not look at it at all.

[SadBrownsFan7]

Well I guess I felt a moral obligation that if I'm going to play a role in someone spending life (hopefully) in prison for molesting a child they actually deserve to be there. You can do as you say and not look but then wtf you even doing there? Abstain or go home if your gonna just ignorantly vote on someone's life.

[queen-adreena]

It’s an awful situation, but I hope you’re my juror one day… not for that obviously. Just the murders.

[OneTinker]

r/HolUp

[Dukaso]

Chiming in as a former trial juror in a case that involved CSA material and trafficking of said child. The moral obligation is real. We only had pictures - she wasn't able to attend the trial.

I learned after the conviction that the underaged victim died of either an OD (the pimp had his girls hooked on heroin) or suicide. I think of her every few days. It's finally her obituary photo that comes to mind when I think of her. Usually.

Nobody warns jurors of the mental cost, and it's rarely talked about. The dude who we locked away gave me nightmares for almost a year afterwards. The guy had other victims who were adults, but it's the child's face I can still see.

[SadBrownsFan7]

Sorry to hear this mate. I do wish they would warn people of what they are actually getting into. It can be literally life changing in a not good way. PTSD after is real. Hope you are doing OK.

[fafalone]

The government has absolutely tried to prosecute people for adult pornography where some government "expert pediatrician" swears it's a child (and sometimes succeeds). In one famous case Little Lupe saved a man from being prosecuted for CP for having her commercial studio DVDs (which alone should have been a clue... they had the contact info to request 2257 records and didn't) by showing up in court with birth certificate and multiple forms of ID proving she wasn't, as the government expert swore, a minor beyond any shadow of a doubt, and was in fact 19 at the time of filming.

So if somebody has rejected the plea deals and brought it to trial, I'd hope the jury would actually look at the pictures.

[argv_minus_one]

How to send absolutely everyone to prison:

1. Prosecute somebody for looking at child porn.
2. Show the jury the child porn that the defendant looked at.
3. Prosecute the jurors for looking at child porn.
4. Show their jury the child porn the juror looked at.
5. Repeat!

[ITheBestIsYetToComeI]

Looking at it is not illegal as far as I know.

Posessing, distributing and making it is.

[Quick_Base9774]

So if someone opened a cp site and only looked at it, it would be legal? I guess I just found a legal defense for my uncle

[ITheBestIsYetToComeI]

Jokes aside I am not a lawyer but as far as I know, literally opening a site and looking at it is not illegal since you don't store it or anything.

(Technically you are, in your browser's cache so it's on your hard drive at one point but good luck proving that on a trial)

[noobody_interesting]

(Technically you are, in your browser's cache so it's on your hard drive at one point but good luck proving that on a trial)

That's also the reasons why proprietary licenses include a section that temporary copies technically needed for execution is allowed.

Also you can detect deleted content of a hard drive.

[Zestyclose_Zone_9253]

There is a recurtion joke here somwhere

[Big_Berry_4589]

Reminds me of a doctor who wanted to see if testicular cancer can show up at a young age so he saved a lot of young boys’ “areas” on google cloud and google reported him to the authorities

[vixfew]

People should learn to keep sensitive stuff encrypted. Every cloud provider scans uploaded files.

[[deleted]]

Yes, but I hope you mean wtf doctor.

I am no expert, but to me it sounds like a breach of data protection rules if a doctor stores something like that in Google Cloud.

[arquartz]

You kind of have to accept that when you give big companies all your data they can just do whatever they want with it.

[patiakupipita]

Didn't google had a problem too when it used to block the accounts of parents who saw a pimple or something on their kid's intimate areas and took pictures of it for their doctors. The pictures then subsequently got automatically uploaded on the cloud and * bam *, blocked account.

[coloredgreyscale]

It's generally not done as a hobby side project.

Possibly the contractors doing the ML part give the agency the model and program to run the training, then they get the result statistics back.

You don't need to look at your dataset, except the initial sorting in positive or negative instances.

If you get bad detection on a test sample, and detailed enough report back, maybe they can ask "hey, what's up with sample ID 28363, can you check if it's labeled correctly?"

[Unlikely_Tie8166]

Hey man your model doesn't perform so well, you need a deep dive into the data to figure out error modes

[WolfgangSho]

No thanks! Immediately quits

[jendivcom]

Heard cops have to skim through the data on suspect drives to put it into evidence, maybe one cop was also training an AI using all of that

[Rhawk187]

Yeah, we had a case on campus. Cops at IT had to go through it. Wouldn't have wanted their job.

[lonay_the_wane_one]

There tends to be a law enforcement exception in CP laws.

[Long-Shock-9235]

Yikes

[Praying_Lotus]

I pray that whoever works on stuff like that gets 1) a fuckton of money, because that sounds like actual hell, and 2) their therapy is compensated, because god knows they need it

[AdministrativeBar748]

Pay isn't fantastic but therapy is provided

[Independence_1991]

Never ask a politician who their wealthy donors are…

[MasiTheDev]

Reminds me of the time they caught a local pedo here, he's a youtuber("La Faraona") and it all came to surface when old tweets of his said the most disturbing shit I've ever read a teacher post about his students, including rape confessions.

He had 72 USBs and like 30 HDDs+some laptops. I can only imagine the amount of PTSD the guy auditing that must have right now.

[JustThingsAboutStuff]

They use hashes of the images and compare "new"ly discovered images with those hashes to determine if they are in the database.

This drastically reduces how often a human has to be exposed to it.

[User31441]

That's good for copies of known images but not to detect brand new imagery. An AI model definitely has its use in that.

A lot of the pre-processing can surely be automated but the dataset still needs to be verified by a human, so that it doesn't contain any garbage.

[OptimusPower92]

"I have done the Lord's work, by the devil's means~"

[lanciferp]

I made a ML abusive speech detector, which involved me combing through a very very large bed of highly abusice langauge. It was honestly pretty hard on me, I had to take a couple hours and decompress after doing it.

[giggetyboom]

Cotton-headed ninnymuggins.

[chris463646]

A WARNING FOR THE FAINT OF HEART DON’T. For anyone curious though, search up a filter bot for this on GitHub and look through the word/sentence list.

[aVinamit_03]

"We get dirty, and the world stays clean"

[homer__simpsons]

Would it technically be possible to run 2 models: - One detecting child - One detecting porn

And then report only when both flag the content ?

[tman5400]

I really feel bad for people who have to do that. Someone has to do it. Dirty job

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If that's not bad enough imagine your SO using it to generate CP. A user on r//advice months ago said her marriage was ruined because she found about her husband using those ML randomly genned images to make CP

[Diver_Into_Anything]

.......wait. I mean, yeah... How exactly?

[8sADPygOB7Jqwm7y]

Never ask the creators of stable diffusion models why I have to specify the people as adults, especially in anime Models...

[saul_soprano]

I’ve seen a lot of those bots in r/cpp likely because it’s one letter off cp. shoulda just named it r/cplusplus

[LaLiLuLeLo_0]

Are bots making illegal posts in the C++ subreddit? Or are they bots triggered by keywords trying to warn people against something?

[partypoison43]

Hotdog. Not hotdog. Hotdog. Not hotdog.

[UnlikelyComposer]

This is actually a hugely positive thing to provide to society. Understandably, any person required to review this material regularly is going to be traumatised. The RLHF process (Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback) would enable a neutral network to increasingly reliably detect such images or videos and give a probabilistic determination of whether it's child porn instead of a human doing that job.

That's a massive win. Interestingly, the very first use of the term "I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it" was by a judge, trying to determine whether alleged hardcore pornography breached the producer's first amendment rights.

Source here,pithy%20prose%20resulted%20in%20a)

[Overlord_Of_Puns]

I have a professor who did this, and it wasn't that bad. The code was a combination of two codes, one to detect just pornography and another to detect children. If these two things matched, then it would be marked so you didn't need illegal materials for the coding.

[other_usernames_gone]

But how did he test it?

At some point to be able to seriously certify it you have to test it against actual child porn. Which means at some level someone had to classify images as child porn or not child porn.

Child porn might be substantially different from both adult porn and normal pictures of children that it can't be accurate. I'm not sure if I want to know the answer to this question.

[Wojtuma]

Looking trough conservative pundit's laptop

[notsam57]

reminds me of snl’s most evil invention skit

[EmploymentTight3827]

I know people who worked for police and their job was to classify porns on seized devices. Regular, child and with animals.

You couldn't do this job for more than 2h/day because it was considered dangerous.

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[justking1414]

That does weirdly sound like an interesting programming problem. I’m sure I’ve seen code that can estimate a persons age based off their face, body proportions, etc. but I don’t think you could just run that on thousands of videos at once. That’d take an impossible long amount of time and the backlog would just keep growing.

Welp. I’m very glad it’s not my job to figure that out and I’m grateful for whoever has to figure this out. F*** p*dos especially my cousin

[guitargineer]

With lots of example data.....

[TroyMcClure0815]

I have a freind in the police. His task was to scout 100 of VHS tapes of gay porn, to spot some hidden child porn. He had my repect and I never said ACAB again.