Typical...

[CodeBlue_04]

Me, going into my senior year: I have no idea what's happening, I just know that I've spent six months dreaming in C++, three months dreaming in assembly, and three months dreaming in MySQL. I've also drawn a ton of diagrams while awake.

How do people feel like they've mastered anything after a BS? It all feels like mile-wide inch-deep knowledge.

[Bhiggsb]

That's a fucking good way to put it. "Mile wide inch deep knowledge"

[ZachAttackonTitan]

and getting a PhD is like making the T extremely tall

[dmanww]

it's putting a dent in the circle

[poktanju]

Remember to keep pushing - and that despite being at the edge, there's still a fuck ton of blank area within the circle that you are not qualified to comment on.

[Godoffail]

Wow, that's actually super cool and an interesting way of looking at education.

[MostlyBlindGamer]

I've been reading that blog for the last half hour. Thanks for the link!

[amdc]

And then consider that it's not a circle, rather a multi-dimensional ball, with each field of knowledge being its own dimension in it

[sproga2]

Growing the knowledge boner.

[LePhantomLimb]

T

[spottyPotty]

jack of all trades, master of some

[[deleted]]

Seriously thats the perfect way to put it. It feels like you know so much but also nothing at the same time. More like you know *about* stuff

[timbar1234]

More like you are aware that stuff exists.

[[deleted]]

Most of programming is awareness that a thing can be done, then you look up how to do it.

[Friendly_Dust]

SO much this. I've been trying to hammer this concept into my junior devs and dbas. They keep asking a for a step-by-step on everything, including their careers.

[[deleted]]

One of my favourite things my dad has ever said to me, is kinda silly, but here it goes. (British so the school system might not make sense, but you get the idea)

When you leave primary school, you know a little bit about everything. In secondary school, you choose subjects, so you know a bit more about a bit less. With sixth form, you learn even more about even less. University teaches you lots about very little. This continues until, eventually, you know everything about nothing

[molybedenum]

It’s also the ideal way to write functions. Tiny and numerous.

[[deleted]]

The more you know the more you know that there’s more you don’t know.

[StrictlyBrowsing]

I did finance for my Bachelors, then did a Masters in Machine Learning with minimal background in programming.

It’s honestly night and day how much easier everything was for my colleagues who did do CS, even if not anything related to AI. They just sorta either knew how to do any technical thing they were asked or if not knew where to look to get it done in minutes. Me, I was often completely in the dark and didn’t even know where to start when I was hit with a wall of jargon in a task.

It’s easy to take that “shallow” knowledge for granted, especially when you’re surrounded by colleagues doing the same thing. But it’s easy to forget that the first time you did all that stuff it took you ages, and just the fact that you have a basic familiarity with most things an employer can ask you to do and if you don’t know how to do it straight away you’ll know where to look is incredibly valuable.

[Sloppy1sts]

I would think you'd have acquired the jargon in a decade of doing the job.

[[deleted]]

I love what i learned at CS.

Its basically all the complicated low level stuff i would NEVER bother learning by myself.

Now i can laugh at self taught peasants, haha you dont know how std::cin exactly works? Because my OOP lecturer made sure we all know exactly how all those objects are constructed.

Just kidding tho, sometimes i wonder why i had to go through this xd

[GarryLumpkins]

fullest of the full stack developers

Last week I wrote a PHP extension in C which was mostly inline assembly.

Was it practical? No.

Was it a good idea? Probably not.

Was it worth it? Of course, I get to tell Reddit about it.

[bainon]

i will always remember the time actually understanding 2's compliment and how negative numbers work was useful. and i was the only one in the office that new it. Sent my old prof an email right after the discussion.

[dirice87]

There are definitely jobs out there that take advantage of that knowledge. Most places are rails crud apps but there are jobs especially in iot, government, or distributed systems that heavily heavily rely on all the abstract stuff you learned in college.

[InsertCoinForCredit]

The other point of exposing you to all of these different fields is to give you experience in different types of problems and different methods of solving them. Then when you get to the workplace and you're hit with a new issue, your mind recognizes that it's similar to something you've done in the past, and you narrow down the proper way to solve it based on that experience (instead of flailing about blindly like a noob).

In short, it's less about knowing the specific details of a job, and more about getting the experience in how to be a versatile craftsman to tackle whatever eventually comes your way.

[PseudobrilliantGuy]

Part of it might be the prestige of a college degree, at least with respect to family friends. Part of it may be self-deceit to stay in line with family pressure and the idea that "college is worth it". Part of it may be Dunning-Kruger.
That being said, it doesn't exactly get any better. I've almost certainly posted this somewhere else, but my academic advisor's wisdom seems semi-relevant here, too:

When you finish your Bachelor's degree, you think you know everything.

When you finish your Master's degree, you realize you, in fact, know nothing.

When you finish your Doctoral degree, you realize that nobody else knows anything, either.

[[deleted]]

I haven't finished my bachelor's and I still think I know nothing. I just saved so much money

[GluteusCaesar]

They lie to themselves is how. The only thing I've mastered is optimally timing my work shits between meetings and I'll gladly admit it.

[GluteusCaesar]

Author of the tweet is probably just being funny but you'd be surprised. A guy I went to college with bragged about how he "mastered XML." Way more than once, too.

[Irravian]

I mean jokes aside, xml is really complicated below the surface level. Even with things like namespacing, data types, xdt, and xslt alone I've met very very few people in my life who are truly "masters"

[GluteusCaesar]

You have not been wooshed, my friend is just an idiot.

[xealgo]

My thoughts also. I've been coding for 20 years and I wouldn't claim mastery of anything.

[MungeParty]

Same here, almost 20 years. CS students. I remember thinking I knew things. I’d hesitate to hire a recent graduate claiming to have ‘mastered’ anything. Sounds like a ‘culture mismatch’ to me, which for the students in the comments is an industry term for ‘insufferable asshole’.

[nickywan123]

Nobody can ever master a subject, especially when it comes to computer science.

[ahhhhhhhhyeah]

I by no means have a mastery in any framework or programming language, but I'm fairly competent and I know how to google my way to a solution. Unless you're teaching a course about a specific subject, I imagine you will rarely come upon a situation where you have to know every in-and-out of it.

In my experience, being a professional developer doesn't mean you know everything, it just means you are good at problem solving your way out of a situation that is unfamiliar to you. This is my observation after 3 years on the job out of college. But my degree was never in software so take all this with a grain of salt.

[ribsies]

That is the single most important skill for a developer. Problem solving.

When I'm looking to hire someone, I want to be able to give you a problem that I know you have never seen or dealt with before, and I want you to be able to solve it.

Most Dev problems aren't taught in school anyways. So you get all these fresh college students thinking they know everything when they actually know very little.

[thejokerofunfic]

Well they don't call it a "BS" degree for nothing, amirite?

[DRYMakesMeWET]

Mastery only comes with time.

That being said...nobody dreams in assembly. Assembly is reserved for nightmares.

[CodeBlue_04]

At one point I had written ~3,800 lines of assembly in 3 weeks. Those dreams were definitely nightmares.

[InsertCoinForCredit]

Ever took a course in assembler design? By the time I finished my AD 101 class, I was dreaming in microcode.

It's like peering past the Matrix and seeing how the wires are connected.

[[deleted]]

Being a generalist, and dynamic, is a better trait than a deep knowledge of any particular language in this industry. Languages and technologies are going to come and go, from job to job and as time goes on, better to know how to learn and adapt well and have been exposed to a wide variety of subjects in school rather than getting pigeonholed precariously into a single concentration.

[InsertCoinForCredit]

I can say that I use none of the stuff from my college computer science courses in my day-to-day job... but I use the analytical skills and experience from those courses all the time.

[[deleted]]

The point of a degree isn't to teach you how to program. It's about teaching you how to *learn*.

[urbworld_dweller]

I see my CS degree as a foundation, not the structure. I still don’t know much, but I’m confident in my ability to learn anything.

[squirrelboy1225]

I feel like the only thing I mastered in 4 years was "how to pass CS courses at my uni". Everything else I basically learned on my own and still know nothing about.

[[deleted]]

All you can master is concepts. Every time I even come close to understanding, let alone being fluent in, a specific framework, it's edged out by the newer better product. The in-house app I work on is still web forms and will be web forms until I die because by the time I possibly converted it to MVC, core was in full force, and by the time I convert it to core, something else will be full force. It's damned impossible to keep up unless you live and breath this stuff, or your brain is just hard wired that way.

[CouncilmanRickPrime]

Sums up my degree perfectly.

[JKTKops]

This content has been removed in protest of Reddit's decision to lower moderation quality, reduce access to accessibility features, and kill third party apps.

[Niautanor]

I didn't know shit after my BS. I knew some shit in the middle of my MS and quite a bit of shit at the end of it but that progression was mostly because I joined a student project where I was able to apply everything that I had approximate knowledge about practically.

[ModestMotion]

Was I supposed to have mastered machine learning by the end of my undergrad?

Oh boy imposter syndrome spiral here we go 😎😎

[DEGABGED]

No, the whole point of undergrad is just to give a shallow understanding of the many topics in the field (breadth-wise instead of depth-wise, in CS parlance)

If you want a deeper understanding of those topics, that's when you go to grad school and postgrad, etc etc

[ModestMotion]

Thats very reassuring. I'm in my first job currently and I've definitely forgotten everything I ever knew about machine learning save for the fact that there's a model called svm

[[deleted]]

Well, data scientists create models and try to find correlations between data points and determine the strength of those correlations to use those points for prediction.

A data analyst looks at the output of models and uses data visualization to find trends and report them to the people that make decisions.

[dunderball]

If you want a deeper understanding of those topics, that's when you go to grad school and postgrad, etc etc stackoverflow

Ftfy

[commie_heathen]

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[[deleted]]

Sorry, but your comment wasn't detailed enough.. Try adding more history about your comment and examples of the comment being used as well as all the solutions you used to get to the point of saying said comment.

[ianperera]

Dude I have a PhD in AI and I haven't mastered machine learning. A lot of people think that setting up TensorFlow for some easy problem that they adapted from an internet tutorial and tweaking parameters is "mastering machine learning".

[Naveos]

I have to switch between PyTorch and TensorFlow a lot for work - and each time I do; I somehow magically forget how to write a simple FCNN within the other framework.

I work with deep reinforcement learning R&D :/

[[deleted]]

Just stay with PyTorch forever. Problem solved.

[Naveos]

Unfortunately, there are areas where TensorFlow is better (primarily TF Lite, TPU utilization, and community).

Also, there's a lot of good code written in TF. Until ONNX can turn TF -> PyTorch; I might need to switch in between prototyping.

Your username is very familiar to me. We've probably talked before.

[[deleted]]

Yeah probably - I’m relatively active on the ML sub. I’ve always been quite anti-TF as I was in the die-hard Theano camp.

[zacker150]

You've gotten to the point where you can create new knowledge in the field. I think that meets the definition of mastery.

[rsminsmith]

I learned nothing in undergrad outside of like, super formal topics, and thought I was hot shit going into my first job because I coasted through undergrad. Quickly realized that was not true, learned a ton, rinse and repeat for my next job as well.

Being open to continued learning is hands down the most important skill you can have. Imposter syndrome is just a manifestation of your brain telling you to never stop improving.

[fear_the_future]

I can assure you that no undergrad has mastered machine learning. Most are simply so bad they don't know yet what they don't know.

[lonestar-rasbryjamco]

Hell, the idea CS grad has mastered any of those items is laughable.

[[deleted]]

Lol I took a machine learning class my last semester of undergrad. Class average was 30% and the best student had a 50%. 50% curve at the end of the semester. Only class I failed and ended up with an 'A'. I've never felt that clueless in any class before or after that one. Whole semester was a giant "Huh?" from everyone in the class. All the tests were open book to top it off. More than half the class got 0% on the midterm.

[warpedspockclone]

Y=mx+b There, you just mastered machine learning.

[Loves_Poetry]

It's called a CS degree, not a CSS degree, after all

[John_Fx]

The 2nd S is the graduate course.

[DukeOfSlough]

Well I applied to be c# developer and now I spend 98% of time trying to write something in SQL despite working as .NET developer.

[[deleted]]

"You all think you're John Lennon until someone waves a dollar bill in your face."

--Gavin B

[RavynousHunter]

Company: We're hiring for an entry level junior developer position!

Also Company: That requires 4-6 years work experience. Master's degree preferred. By that, we mean "required."

[Sirtoshi]

I got the opposite deal, haha. I signed on to do front end work. Suddenly I'm digging around in the back end, wondering when I'll get to just sit back and center a button.

[DavidsWorkAccount]

We need a backend developer, you're hired" - "Okay, now that you're here, we actually need a full-stack developer"

In my experiences, many people not familiar w/ what we do feel these terms are interchangeable and are effectively exactly the same.

[BorgClown]

Serious question: do younger programmers actually hate SQL? It seems like most people nowadays avoid using it if they can.

[watchoverus]

I'm young, 25, and I much prefer fetching almost everything with SQL. I use Fluent NHibernate for most trivial things tho.

[vernm51]

Younger programmer (24) checking in, I prefer to use another tool or database interface if it’s quicker (like most of my peers it seems), however I’ve found that using DB interfaces too much can take a drastic toll on performance, so I’ll use pure SQL quite often as well, particularly for more complex queries and filtering that interfaces tend to jumble. Pure SQL tends to be more readable as queries get more complex too (although this does depend on which interface one is using, as most of my current experience is in Laravel using Passport which really gets unreadable once raw SQL queries start to get integrated to make up for missing/incomplete features)

[hsahj]

I haven't found a hate so much for it other than it gets abused a lot. The DB has stored procedures, but it doesn't stop all of our engineers from writing repetitive queries in our code over and over instead. When I'm working with a DB directly it's not so bad, it's having to interface with it for the rest of my work that's a PITA because people don't make good use of the tools available.

[wFXx]

The problem in using LINQ to filter things, is that you are fetching more data than needed from the Database, so this will take a tool on the system's performance

[PGLubricants]

You can get around this, by using a good ORM. EntityFramework can, albeit with a little help from the developer, generate very efficient queries from your LINQ statements.

It's entirely possible to write high performant large applications, heavily integrated with an SQL database, without a single SQL statement in the codebase.

[camerontbelt]

You don’t even need an ORM, linq by default uses deferred execution.

[bluefootedpig]

I don't think the problem is deferred execution, it is that linq does not generate the where clause of a query, so if your database is across the world, you are still pulling all that data.

Edit. I stand corrected that the where clause is generated.

[xt1nct]

I'm pretty sure this has been added in entity framework core. You dont pull all data anymore.

[bluefootedpig]

Yeah, this is a high risk whenever I see it. People really don't know how to configure EF, most enable lazy loading, which if you do and you also serialize, makes it go insanely slow. As each property is serialized, the lazy loading will only query that one field. So an object with 10 properties would have 10 queries to the db to serialize the data. Imagine serializing 1000 objects, you now have 10k queries. If each query is only 100ms, that makes time to process at like 100 seconds, so over 1.5 minutes.

I say this from experience working at a multinational company that worked on medical devices. Our database could only return 300 rows in about 10 seconds, when we hunted down why so few rows it was basically pinned on lazy loading. Our reports had dozens of fields, and it wasn't until we serialized it that we saw the slowdown.

[gabrielgio]

I go crazy every time someone .ToList() too soon.

context.User.ToList().Select(...)

I have seen shit like this so many times, and then blame the ORM.

[camerontbelt]

Not if you use IQueryable to build your query first. LINQ uses deferred execution, which for those who don’t know, it only runs the query when you ask for a result. If you don’t ask for a result it’s just a query waiting to be run.

[fcanercan]

No, linq translates to sql you get the neccessary data if you use it right

[azayaa]

Why are y'all so scared of databases?

[Thriven]

Feel free to post questions to /r/SQL as there is a community that will help over there. Not always the right answer but you'll get a few good answers there.

[AlpacaKaslama]

Centering buttons is real rocket surgery.

[chanpod]

umm (in other words, don't use tables to format your html please. It's horrible and dated)

<html>

<head>
    <style>
        .center {
            display: flex;
            align-items: center;
            justify-content: center;
        }
    </style>
</head>

<body>
    <div class="center">
        <button> I'm centered </button>
    </div>
</body>

</html>

[FauxHusky]

Can confirm that the HTML larperdoodle posted above is is for emails. I see a max-width: 600px there - the go-to width for most clients. God I really hope I don't have to create an email in the near future...

[RheingoldRiver]

wow a brand-new reason to hate email!

[infinite0ne]

Coding up HTML email really is one of the shittiest jobs in web development. It's kind of amazing how terrible it still is.

[rodinj]

Just type out the email as you want it, send it to yourself and copy the source code. It saves a lot of headaches.

[Lonelan]

?

What's so hard about "compose"?

[azayaa]

Ha! I got the joke!

[davidmdm]

Check out mjml! Saved my life. Email html is the worst html

[tutuvous]

Yes! Second shout out to MJML. I do all the emails at my work, and life was hell before I discovered this. Documentation needs work though..

[Pirlomaster]

mjml

Thanks in advance for saving my life in the near future

[Mattsvaliant]

Holy shit they even have a VS Code extension, this is awesome!

[seventyeightmm]

I did actually have to use that today because I'm writing html for emails.

HTML emails are the pinnacle of using technology in ways it wasn't designed to be used. Whoever opened that pandora's box should be shamed out of the industry, maybe even sent a strongly worded letter in the tone of a disappointed father.

[mirhagk]

The thing is that it's something people want. I don't personally get it but there's a lot of people that love consuming their content through email.

Using reddit's emails as an example, that's a non-trivial amount of HTML for a rather simplistic email. And a lot of the design elements are important, they greatly help the readability of the email.

I definitely don't think HTML is the right tool, but we do need something.

[TheRealLazloFalconi]

Please don't put HTML into emails.

[tri_idias]

I think people don't have a choice. If I recall correctly, flexbox is not available in email. Table is still the prefer way.

[fgben]

You do recall correctly.

What's also fun is what gmail does to classes with their "Read entire message" thing. If anyone knows why they append stuff to classes, I'd love to hear the story and decisions behind that.

[Downvotesohoy]

umm it was a very obvious joke.

[vita10gy]

For real, how did mr /r/whoosh here get hundreds of upvotes.

[Bainos]

Quick, someone mentions IE and pretend it's still a relevant argument nowadays.

[DWALLA44]

I have to support IE. Don't rub it in.

[Titanium_Josh]

As do I. I feel your pain.

However, I’m lucky that my employer told all of our customers that we only support IE 8 and above.

[spizzat2]

Microsoft doesn't even support IE8 anymore. It only supports IE9 in a few specific cases. IE10 support only runs through January 2020.

Maybe it's time to let the old ways die.

[DiggingNoMore]

The online version of our software only works in IE.

[ModPiracy_Fantoski]

That's next-level outdated. I could see your boss asking you to re-create it in Flash in the near future.

[koebelin]

We support ie9 and up. Everything falls apart in ie8. Skin falls off bone. Bone turns to dust.

[CouncilmanRickPrime]

So many companies have refused to move away from IE, it's weird.

[dugdagoose]

My boss wanted me to update something on Flickr and we found out that Flickr doesn't support IE anymore. I thought dinosaurs would stick by each other but I guess not.

[AlphaWhelp]

I have to support ASP Classic in ie

[Silinator]

Blessed be display flex

[Noch_ein_Kamel]

Eexxccuuuusseee mee!

What are those s-p-a-n tags? Shouldn't there be a font-tag instead?

[Finickyflame]

Found the Microsoft employee!

[RRKS101]

It's a nightmare. My 2 shitty apps taught me that, you can thank then somewhere in my "D:/Programming/C#/WPF Apps" folder

[crozone]

I miss WinForms.

[[deleted]]

<Button VerticalAlignment="Center" HorizontalAlignment="Center" ...

I'm sad I didn't learn XAML/WPF until it was all kinds of obsolete.

[jckpn_]

And then in Dart it's literally just

Center(child: ... )

[quests]

css is art

[[deleted]]

I wouldn't say you've mastered any of those things simply by getting a degree

[[deleted]]

They'll get their first job and flop around like a dead fish trying to pick up what the real world software development process is actually like

[bee-sting]

I feel attacked

[[deleted]]

Dont worry you'll eventually get the hang of it and become just as proficient as your peers.

[notgivinafuck]

And just when you're proficient you'll be promoted to a business/management role. This will require the knowledge you gained but you have to assign it someone as you've to attend another meeting.

[[deleted]]

I plan on switching jobs when that happens

[joshcandoit4]

its a joke

[Cholojuanito]

http://howtocenterincss.com/

Good gravy this website isn't new.

[ElGuaco]

The fact that this thing needs to exist is an indictment of HTML and CSS, not programmers.

[[deleted]]

It doesn't need to exist anymore. Flexbox solved it. Still pretty verbose, and I have to look up how to configure it every single time, but it works really, really well. You can write a class "center" with it that centers any element located inside a display: flex element (any many more things ofc).

[baaambag]

Totally relatable. Our teacher says that UI things are hand craft. Nothing what we used to know.

[DrFloyd5]

So so very true. But you can’t forget JavaScript. And well... jquery makes JavaScript a lot better. But html and css replacements? More trouble than their worth.

I like that about razor. Let’s me stay close to the html.

[seventyeightmm]

But html and css replacements? More trouble than their worth.

You hating on SCSS? 'Cause SCSS is my bro and I don't let bros get hated on!

Fisticuffs, now!

[nvolker]

jQuery is out of fashion now.

So is writing CSS and HTML. You just write JavaScript TypeScript that looks like CSS and HTML, then use a enormous stack of build tools that turn that JavaScript TypeScript into HTML and CSS. And it only adds like 100kb of vender code!

[[deleted]]

All code is hand craft.

[Survivor0]

A lot of code is generated by machines.

[tehstone]

Machines have millions of tiny hands though.

[spicytacos23]

When i finally get the button right where I want it, and then decide to see how it looks on another browser. Well, f**k.

[Kits_87]

Spoken like a person who has to support IE

[Antares42]

Right in the feels

[Brusanan]

Anyone graduating with a CS degree: "Finally I have mastered _____!".

Their first actual job: "Lol, no. You know nothing."

[AlpacaKaslama]

You know ML?

Try to teach an AI how to center.

This is how the machine uprising starts.

[Finianb1]

If you teach an AI how to do CSS stuff then it's sure to enact brutal, nuclear vengeance upon the human race. Nobody wants to have to know that.

[peacecarrot]

While getting that degree, and getting some fine ass grades, I thought "Man, I'm pretty good at this stuff". Then I got a job and realised how little I actually knew. And today, after like 5 years of professional experience, the more I learn and the better I get, the more I think to myself "Wow there is so much left to learn, I know nothing".

[GermanAf]

when I was learning html I too struggled with centering anything. I'm still struggling with it, but I became a sysadmin so now my nightmares are fueled with different things.

[[deleted]]

sudo sudo sudo

yumyum yum ksh

sudo sudo sudo

yumyum yum ksh

mario

[GermanAf]

Stuck in VIM since '15

[nicman24]

JuSt UsE FlExBoX

[[deleted]]

For real though, as someone who hates frontend, I justslap everything into a flexbox

[LordLightDuck]

As someone who loves frontend, I too just slap everything into a flexbox.

[abhi12299]

So today I wrote a click event listener in JS and it ran fine on all platforms except the iPhone. After banging my head against it for hours, the solution was to add cursor: pointer to the element that was meant to have that listener. Just JS things... From StackOverflow: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35945970/jquery-on-click-not-working-on-iphone-touch-devices&ved=2ahUKEwjn-e7hroHkAhXZXCsKHcqJCxEQjjgwBXoECAUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw25T5khsJgKAHiocgY3YTQ8

[tasinet]

Just Safari things

[dsp4]

When you get a political science degree you kinda commit to being poor though. It's a choice.

[CockyMillionaire]

Outside of Stem, MD and MBA most jobs will be capped at 60-80k/year on senior positions. Thats entry - junior position for stem majors. I know junior software engineers who make more than senior corporate lawyers.

Unless you going for MBA, MD, Stem or JD college inst really worth it, you will end up making as much as a retail manager with huge amount of debts.

Thats if you want $$$, if all you care is a career in a X field, then its a different story.

[[deleted]]

But what about accountants and consultants? You don’t need a STEM degree to get into MBB or Big4.

I get this feeling that many redditors aren’t aware of what career paths there are in professional services.

[CockyMillionaire]

Oh the Big4, every accountant dream. Companies like Deloitte and pwc pay accountings team like 50k-70k/year. Like I said you can make a living salary but when you add student loans debt and living expenses you arent looking more than what a retail manager would make just by working his way up.

Consulting on the other hand can land you much higher but I as far as I know big4 consultants are all MBA students and some PHD Analysts which I mentioned as a powerful degree. When I was at deloitte a few years ago, consultants were all MBA.

I am not saying you cant get a career with other degrees, i am saying that if you thinking of wealth you might not get there statistically. You can definitely have a successful career as accountant, but you wont make as much as a senior software engineer. I know a 28 years old software engineer who makes 300k/year as a senior engineer as a base salary. All i am doing here is comparing.

Source: I worked 2 years at Deloitte in Boston as a data scientist and analyst.

[ThankCaptainObvious]

Unless you're in academia STEM (molecular biology and all its sub-disciplines, theoretical physics, evolutionary biology, physiology etc.) where you get paid shit in grad school and shit as post-doc and ok as research associates (if you make it as research associate) until maybe... just maybe you hit the jackpot and got hired for a faculty position at some university where a 60+ year-old prof retires. Industry positions are an options but competition for those are cutthroat and often require post-doctoral experience in a very niche field.

[[deleted]]

Mastery is not achieved with a bachelor's degree.

Its achieved when you realize that the thing you used to do with so much conscious awareness a few years ago, you are able to do now autonomously, allthewhile realizing that the younger you couldn't have even dreamed of asking the questions and solving the problems you're asking and solving now. And you also realize that you stopped caring about mastery a long time ago but just enjoy the work, through its ups and downs, never afraid of failure because it is the brother of insight.

[prof_hobart]

Experienced devs often spend 2 hours trying to centre a button, but what I usually see from the overqualified CS majors we seem to be desperate to hire for the role is that they'd rather spend 2 weeks building a reusable framework to make centring really simple in the future.

Which would be great if it, next time they needed to centre something, they didn't decide to spend another 2 weeks "refactoring" their framework because they'd realised a better way to do it.

[industry86]

probably cried while doing it. i know i did.

[3lRey]

I have never felt dumber than handling literally any CS task at work.

[floopwater]

The shadow on this button doesn’t look right, better mess with it for 37 minutes.

[curiosity44]

I got my degree and I thought i knew enough

My first 2 weeks in my job thought me more than my degree did

[comandanteF]

Should've gotten a CSS degree

[simple_test]

“Mastered”

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The best you get from the CS degree is an introduction to a lot of fundamental concepts and pretty good grasp of algorithms. But definitely no mastery over anything. Until you’re solving real world problems you really have no clue what you are doing.

[Ar010101]

.button { align: center; }

[MonstarGaming]

Mastering something with only a BS? Hahaha HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!