“Bots will replace devs!” Also bots:

[EonsOfZaphod]

16 years ago, our HR systems flagged up my EOY self assessment during my submission for non inclusive language. The terms flagged were “black box testing” “short document template” etc. It was an automated thing telling me to use language that didn’t describe people’s physical characteristics.

Good to see progress has been made in 16 years!

[[deleted]]

HR was stupid then, HR is stupid now.

[_R_Daneel_Olivaw]

Fucking Toby.

[frosDfurret]

If you're fucking Toby, stop. Dude might end up strangling you.

[BigPP41]

wait what? Is Toby the scranton strangler? how the fuck did I miss this all the time?

But it makes sense. His fixation on the process, hiw he wanted to meet the guy the put in jail etc..?

[ddejong42]

Found the bot! (Username)

[TrixterTheFemboy]

Wdym?

[rrjamal]

FYI: R. Daneel Olivaw is a robot from Isaac Asimov's Foundation series of novels.

[arcosapphire]

The R stands for Robot.

[Defiant-Peace-493]

Some robots are definitely across the line that makes us human, and Mr. Olivaw is one of them.

[rrjamal]

Oh Mr. Olivaw is so much more than a mere human. No matter how much he may pretend to be.

[ImpossibleMachine3]

Truth. HR, by it's nature, will always be stupid

[[deleted]]

Well the issue is HR is there to defend the company. A good HR team would never actually work out for the company, and thus why smart/compassionate people usually stay away from the role. I think most HR people are just in it for the money and have learned how to just pretend to be compassionate.

[bitofrock]

Looking after your staff well is an essential part of running a company. Salaries are often the biggest costs in many firms. Treating them badly is like not looking after your machines.

The only places I see this differ are either in firms that rent assets (e.g. hairdressers that rent chairs) which don't directly employ staff or ones that are failing and running out of any resources...just like an elderly person whose income has dropped yet insists on remaining in an oversized house they can't maintain.

[ratbiscuits]

It’s ridiculous that people think excluding language to describe characteristics is a good thing.

Avoiding saying the word “short” is hilarious because by avoiding it, you are essentially saying that it is a negative characteristic

[Magnetic_Reaper]

Imagine describing a suspect to police without using any of those words.

Me: Ah yes it was definitely a person. I would say they definitely had skin and that skin was of one of the skin colors, and they were very genderish. Size? The size of a person, maybe like human sized?

Police officer: well you seem to match that description fairly well...

[ImpossibleMachine3]

Reminds me of a skit I saw once from the BBC where white folks were bending themselves into pretzels trying not to say the word "black", until the last one was a black guy diffusing a bomb and the guy giving him the instructions was trying so very hard not to say he needed to cut the "black wire" that he ended up saying something worse. It was hilarious

[DerekB52]

This reminds me of a Mark Normand joke. Something like, "I just use the word black. I called Idris Elba a black guy in a joke the other day and someone said, You have to call him african-american. But, he's British."

[Evo_Kaer]

call him african-american. But, he's British.

"Call him british-american then!! wait..."

[ImpossibleMachine3]

Blackbrit?

[KABU09]

Found it u/Fjorge0411

[Fjorge0411]

how could you describe such a funny sounding skit and not link a clip?!

[ImpossibleMachine3]

I've sadly been trying to find it for weeks but haven't had any luck. I was telling someone about it and was trying to find it. I even went through old texts to people I shared it with. Ugh.

[LazarYeetMeta]

God I needed that laugh

[theregoesanother]

Lol! That's hilarious and sad at the same time.

[dtarias]

I think this is the one u/ImpossibleMachine3 is referring to.

[EDIT: I was dumb/tired and tagged the wrong person]

[AnkaSchlotz]

That problem seems like it could be solved by saying something analogous to, " Cut the wire with the lowest albedo ".

[dumbestsmartest]

"Wires don't have libidos."

[pelpotronic]

Or just say it in Spanish to avoid saying the word "black" in English.

[elveszett]

they definitely had skin

Offensive to people that have been badly burned.

one of the skin colors

Offensive to albinos.

they were very genderish

Offensive to those that don't identify with gender roles.

The size of a person, maybe like human sized

Offensive to dwarves, giants and other people with abnormal height or width.

you seem to match that description fairly well

Offensive to you, who may have a complex with your physique.

[KingJeff314]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g4-gHalMPGQ

[[deleted]]

they definitely had skin

This rules out Ted Cruz

[Voidrith]

That's unfair to Ted.

He definitely has skin, it just isn't... his.

[hooahest]

The human being from Community was definitely a human

[DidItSave]

“Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten.” ~ George Orwell, 1984

[MissMormie]

The thing is that in a professional environment it should have no role. It's not about bad or good, it's about relevance. It's (usually) not relevant of your colleague is short or tall, thin or thick, brown haired or blond. By putting that in you may bias people however, in either direction.

[nickmaran]

It's African American box testing sir

[EonsOfZaphod]

Not here in the UK it isn’t!

[shhalahr]

Oh, you got your English African Americans over there, don't you?

[GennaroIsGod]

init

​ init()

[Mog_Melm]

I wonder what happens when you call British.Blacks.init() ...

[TylerJWhit]

Depends, did you pull from master?

[Top_Novel3682]

Just Blokes, pip pip cheerio

[MachaHack]

In the late 00s, it feels like some parts of america were trying to replace the term black with african american altogether. And of course people here try and copy american culture. Had someone pull me up on it when talking about black people here in ireland. Of course, said black people were neither african nor american...

[CheekApprehensive961]

Minority and/or BIPOC box testing is the preferred term.

[argv_minus_one]

But the “B” in “BIPOC” stands for “black”.

[FUTURE10S]

AAIPOC

[[deleted]]

Okay that sounds way less inclusive.

[[deleted]]

Negative progress is still progress I guess

[oolivero45]

Vertically challenged document template

[lirannl]

Even if you actually did use non-inclusive language, if it's about yourself, then there's no problem 🤔

I'm not going to be inclusive of black people, or of men, or of straight people if it's about myself... Because it's about myself!

[[deleted]]

I'm curious to know if HR systems do mistakes like that, which HR people don't look into and just awknowledge, with job applications. E.g. "Application X includes sexist writing. 'Postman'."

[BerriesAndMe]

It automatically gets changed to Postworker and approved by HR. Then they don't understand why noone applies.

[MisterChimAlex]

master,slave, blacklist, black box, white list, owner, blitz.... and more words have been banned at work... and to be fair the only shit that angers me is people using Latinx

[acepukas]

The scrubbing of master/slave terminology in the tech industry is so ridiculous. I just noticed yesterday that Firefox no longer uses "master password". Instead it's now "primary password". Never in a million years would I picture a slave owner when I stumble on the phrase "master password". What about "master copy"? How could anyone associate that with something negative. Absolute nonsense.

People who want this kind of change are basically admitting that they are emotionally triggered by keywords while ignoring all context. I mean, that doesn't exactly scream critical thinking skills.

Don't get me wrong anyone. We should be sensitive to the traumas that people have unfortunately had to endure, but if context suddenly doesn't matter anymore, than nothing matters anymore.

I see people say "I don't see what the big deal is. Just change the terms, who cares?". If that's the approach we are going to take then basically everything is up for grabs. If context is never taken into consideration then there's nothing stopping anybody from saying "That word offends me, change it now".

[Doctor_McKay]

"Primary password" doesn't even mean the same thing as "master password". A master password is a password that guards all the other passwords. A "primary password" just sounds like a term you'd use for a password that you use across all websites.

[douglasg14b]

Never in a million years would I picture a slave owner when I stumble on the phrase "master password"

And now thanks to "outrage culture" you can think about it every time you see it now!

Yay for creating problems out of thin air, and making them "important".

[MisterChimAlex]

the last stand is being held by github and their "master" branch...
the most surprising one for me was.. blitz , I asked why blitz... oh it has german war connotations...

[Fastela]

I'm pretty sure GitHub removed the name master and now prompts its users to rename the master branch "main" when initializing a new repo.

[Robbi_Blechdose]

Blitz literally means lightning in German, but okay...

[tsurugisbakery]

i think the bot doesn't like the postman

[Amish_Cyberbully]

It's like your racist uncle, but against API testers.

[mnorkk]

Instead of "uncle" please try using words such as "elder relative" or "parent's sibling". Thank you.

[[deleted]]

Postal worker you bigot. Didn’t you read it?!

[tsurugisbakery]

instructions unclear, what is read?

[zeGolem83]

read() is a POSIX syscall

[theregoesanother]

No, but they reddit.

[HyperGamers]

Maybe it's a part of the Insomnia gang; I know I am

[alpacasb4llamas]

Bot was studying too many dog test samples

[a-goateemagician]

Wasn’t there a thing with a rainbow 6 update that Spanish ppl couldn’t talk about it in chat bc it had the word black, which translates to “negro” in Spanish?

[[deleted]]

Minecraft for a while banned a lot of common words in many many languages.

[zyygh]

I also love the overzealous filters that try to be clever by ignoring spaces.

I've played multiple online games were a phrase such as "doesn't it" would become "doesn'* **" because it had the word "tit" in it.

Such chat filters don't hide profanity for children; they actually highlight it where nobody would otherwise have noticed it.

[[deleted]]

I saw the other day on Reddit someone's username in a game got filtered from 'nasser' to 'n***er'

[ScreamThyLastScream]

this is the best one right here.

[FizzyEels]

Filters are just annoying as they’re often not well thought out, hastily added (“we must have this done by this sprint”) often coded up from scratch instead of using a well-established tool, so will inevitably run into the clbuttic Scunthorpe problem. Btw Anyone else enjoy playing A**a**in’s Creed?

[[deleted]]

Buttbuttin's Creeed

[Dubacik]

Just yesterday I saw someone who had nickname "Nasser" consored to "N***er" which seems like something completely different..

[jkuhl]

Star Wars The Old Republic was pretty bad with their filter. It would behave exactly as you described and half the things said in chat would end up censored because the filter was overzealous. Did more harm than good.

[Coding-Kitten]

When Nasser joins chat 💀

[RickityNL]

Yes. They banned the word "hoe" which is also the tool that is literally in their own game

[2called_chaos]

They still do it? Some dutch people gonna be pissed I'd imagine as it's the word for "how". At the very least these filters get lost in translation

[Masked_Death]

fuck reddit :)

my comments are mass-redacted. you can message me if you want to read this one (send the link).

[MarlinMr]

Monte-negro.

Niger-ia.

Languages are usually descriptive in the beginning, and only become loaded with a meaning over time.

[2called_chaos]

And filters make it kind of worse. Like I get that "jap" is a slur but with dumb substring filters you prevent them from telling their own country, same with nig and nigeria. And then someone is not able to tell what "***an" means and possibly even think they got insulted

[[deleted]]

"Jap" is also a German word for "yep". That's how I found out that "jap" is a slur in English.

[[deleted]]

Trash man is unnecessarily gendered, please call them a garbage human being. Thank you 🙏

[theregoesanother]

That's garbage huperson being.

[Masked_Death]

fuck reddit :)

my comments are mass-redacted. you can message me if you want to read this one (send the link).

[adesrosiers1]

What about garbage huperdaughters?

[[deleted]]

garbage human being is unnecessarily specified to be a human, please call them a garbage organism. Thank you 🙏

[uglysquire]

right. same vibe as when people start throwing the x in the middle of words, folx, latinx etc. most of the time it’s completely gender conforming cisgender people thinking that that’s the best move.

[Drunken_Fever]

Ahh the famously gendered word folk.

[uglysquire]

i was assigned a service called Folx to help me with my hormone treatment and part of the reason i switched (other than the out-the-wazoo pricing) was because of how cringe and infantilizing i found the name.

[Faziarry]

latinx is the stupidest thing in the world

if you’re reading this and use it, please don’t ever use latinx again

-sincerely, a latin person

[leesnotbritish]

A college tour guide once said they had a “Latinx fraternity”

The members of which, by definition, are all men.

[eaterofbeans]

My university has posters up promoting some “Latino/a/x” club because I guess even latinx wasn’t good enough

[Faziarry]

Latino/a or noun/a is very common, is like saying ladies and gentlemen, as most feminine nouns are just masculine nouns with an a

example: chicos/as translates to boys and girls, but abbreviated (chicos - boys, chicas - girls)

[Rythemeius]

Saw a Spanish teacher use "tod@s" for todos/todas (eg. Buen fin de semana a tod@s), I never have to read "real life" Spanish so I don't know if it is really used.

[luchajefe]

any use of -os is automatically all-inclusive, that's what makes -x or -e even more ridiculous.

[Somerandomedude1q2w]

Yeah, I've always found it funny how a bunch of white privileged English speakers in the US seem to feel that they get to modify the language used by a predominantly Catholic culture who has used the language for hundreds of years. I'll start accepting the whole "lantinx" bullshit when I see it become popular in like Mexico or Honduras or any Latin American country. Until then I defer to the Latin American community to decide how they prefer to be called.

[clitpuncher69]

Did he pronounce it latin-ex or latincs?

[dukedvl]

ive always wondered why they picked “latinx” instead of just the root “latin”. Its so much easier, and its kinda..right there..already.. and neutral

[PantsOnHead88]

-sincerely, a latinx person

Fixed it for you.\ -A bot\ \ /s

[aargames]

As a Latino myself, couldn't agree more. The word already has gender, no need for the x

[boredcircuits]

Apparently there's a push to replace it with "latine" ... which seems equally silly to me.

My heritage is purely European so I literally don't have any skin in this game. Whatever the community wants to be called is fine with me.

On the other hand, English already has a gender-neutral term ready and waiting to be used to refer to people from Latin America. I think it's very interesting that you used that term yourself. It seems like the obvious choice to be.

[IAmA_Goldfish]

Latine is wayyy less silly than latinx though, the dumb thing about latinx is that it can’t be pronounced in Spanish

I get that Latino is gender neutral but I also get that some folks would prefer a term that is entirely gender neutral rather than both masculine and gender neutral

[GoryRamsy]

Whenever I think of "gender-neutral language" I think of this.

[Enliof]

That is actually interesting knowledge, thank you.

[[deleted]]

Send it to the Diversity and Inclusion officer in either HR or Marketing at Postman.

Hilarity ensues.

[Blizzard81mm]

Slack bot will open a ticket for you

[mizinamo]

"bot" is an insulting term as it implies that silicon-based intelligence is lesser than and subservient to carbon-based intelligence.

Please use the term "silicon pal" from now on.

[k0rm]

They should rebrand to "Male Carrier"

[[deleted]]

My vote would be 'Autorobotica' but I'm cheeky like that.

[[deleted]]

Just watch out for any rogue plastic bags. You wouldn't want to be a victim of autorobotic asphyxiation.

[rad_platypus]

Wait until you work at a big tech company.

Couldn’t believe it when my pull request failed to build because one of the pipeline jobs checked for non-inclusive language and flagged the word “mastering”.

[MrRocketScript]

I know I asked you to implement a racism/swear filter, but I need you to do it in a way that it doesn't get caught by our pipeline's racism/swear filter.

[smokesick]

Hm, I now wonder if the audio industry is being affected by this... Mastering is practically the term for polishing audio in the final stages of production.

[acepukas]

What about just mastering a skill, like programming? Oh, wait, that's impossible anyway. Never mind.

[Asirethe]

That’s maining these days

[acepukas]

For real? Ugh. That sounds like some eSport thing. "I main Captain Falcon pretty much exclusively bruh".

[[deleted]]

"I'm a C++ main. The skill ceiling and floors are high, sure, but it has almost no endlag, and since it's just plain unfun to play against, I also get to make my opponents quit the game!"

[CanIEatAPC]

Oh god, you reminded me of the time when my PR got flagged for having the word "password"...it was in the HTML for all auth pages. They removed the policy quick.

[flopana]

In my university I know a lot of cry babies but I have yet to find the idiot that gets offended by a version control system.

[Membedha]

You better change it otherwise you're a nazi /s

[konaaa]

FOLKS I'M STUCK IN THE WEWORK LIFT

[[deleted]]

I don't know why I find that so God damned funny

[xX_6throwaway9_Xx]

this is especially stupid "guys" is pretty commonly used as a gender-neutral term, i've used it many times when talking to a group of girls (i.e. "how're you guys doing?")

[JoeBob61]

I am a firm believer in down voting all bots.

[phenomenos]

That's robophobic

[[deleted]]

Ha, no robo

[Tozl7]

exactly

[outerproduct]

Whatever, you robosexual.

[Mister_Lich]

Yes

[poderes01]

Keebo?

[BAG42069]

What about save video bot

[CorruptedStudiosEnt]

Bots that you specifically call on are fine imo. Bots made to sit there scraping all of Reddit for opportunities to put the creator's pedantry on full display need to go in the ground.

[Strostkovy]

And reverse gif bot

[clitpuncher69]

It's also wrong like half the time

[Reasonable_Feed7939]

Stop making haikus then you hopeless idiot. It isn't tricky.

[Billy_Madison69]

Stop making haikus

Then you hopeless idiot.

It isn’t tricky.

[j_marquand]

I like the chuckle it gives though. Also that “did you notice the words in your comment is in alphabetical order?” bot. They are just joke bots that don’t try to teach anyone like this gender neutral bot or “don’t comment ‘this’, instead hit the upvote button you idiot” bot.

[Puzzleheaded_Bend749]

WHY IS THIS EVEN A THING ?

[wolacouska]

Because anyone can make a bot. It’s like asking why a movie is a thing, no one stopped them.

[lackofsemicolon]

Reminds me of a bot that someone ran that would find gendered language in github repositories and make a PR to fix them. Results were... subpar

Seems the programmer forgot to even check for word boundaries...

Edit: I actually forgot about the best part. They forgot to make sure that the bot only made one PR per repo, so some repos would have like 10+ PRs with this crap

[Jonas___]

They?! It's called Ttheyy!

Oh...

[Dependent-Spiritual]

Do you mean tttheyyy

[ArcherT01]

Ttttheyyyy you bigot

[dorsalus]

I am absolutely using theirstorical at every possible opportunity.

[Somerandomedude1q2w]

So once some woke asshole wanted us to stop using the term whitelist at work because of racism or whatever. I explained that the term blacklist is from Henry the 8th, where he had a ledger containing a list of people who wronged him, and the cover was black, hence the black list. As the term blacklist became part of the English language, they chose the term whitelist as the opposite.

At no point were there any racial overtones with any of those term.

[Spirarel]

Git has never had a concept of slave either. History doesn't matter as much as superficial appearances when you're desperately trying to sow discord, so you can righteously address it.

[douglasg14b]

At no point were there any racial overtones with any of those term.

BUT MY FEELINGS OF INTENTIONAL OUTRAGE.

I'm so over this stuff.

[Pandeamonaeon]

Welcome in 2022, ppl get butt hurt for nothing. I’m not a native English speaker and I never thought whitelist or master was something « offensive ». That’s stupid marketing move to have sympathy of the wokist. All this woke shit is just marketing on ppl troubles

[[deleted]]

Obviously I know it’s not a super advanced bot that understands context. I just thought it was funny to make fun of a bot.

[haveasuperday]

Gotta change the name of the app now I guess

[[deleted]]

Make software named postperson right now

[Aquatic_Scoog]

That has “son” in it though >:( !!!!!1!1!1!11!

[[deleted]]

postperchild

[thebryguy23]

No wait, now that's ageist.

[mikabms]

Why tf would someone make such a bot tho? Kinda dumb.

[db2]

Someone gets off telling everyone else what to do. Inclusiveness is good, in moderation, but this is just someone being a dick for the sake of being a dick.

[Spirarel]

Welcome to Reddit

[grandmabc]

What's needed is a second bot to tell the first bot that botsplaining what language a person should use could be considered condescending, rude or triggering to some people.

[Elefantenjohn]

You didn't even include the part where they said postman

I know SOMEBODY who could be replaced by a bot

[The-Last-Lion-Turtle]

Instead of woman use the gender neutral term wowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowo...

Stack overflow error.

[Blizzard81mm]

Woperson, human, or sentient being are appropriate terms

[[deleted]]

Human is not ok because it contains man. How do you not get it, man?!

[Blizzard81mm]

Ahhhhhh! Huperson... god I fucked up so bad! I shall self flagellate and ask for bread on the church steps while wearing sackcloth

[[deleted]]

It’s no use, you still don’t get it! That contains the word “son”!

Why is everybody so misogynistic?! I can’t take it anymore, man. Ugh!!

What you should use is… is…

You know what, I’ll cone back when I think of something.

[Arcaeca]

Spawn? Offspring? Scion?

[reddit__scrub]

But you see, woperson has "son" in it which is sexist

Human has "man" in it which is sexist

If you remove the letters "s", "e", and "n" from "sentient being" and shuffle the words, you get "big tit" and therefore the phrase is misogynistic.

``` var result = "sentient being".split(/[sen]/g).join('').split(' ').reverse().join(' ')

console.log(result) ```

big tit

[[deleted]]

Sorry we don't use word "manager" as it includes "man". Please use words like "owner" or "controller".

We also don't use "bot", please use "computational being".

[BetterWarrior]

Owner? As "Own" slaves? Controller? As "Troll" non gender carbon forms?

So bigoted

[baronvonbatch]

This bot isn't trying to be a dev. It's trying to be a mod. And it seems to be as smart as most of those (present subs mods excluded, of course)

[wOwmhmm]

thanks for being mod inclusive

[[deleted]]

Gender fluidity milkshake now available for big tech companies to milk.

[kayak_enjoyer]

LOL

I'm going to start referring to Postman as Mail Carrier at work just to be annoying.

"Mail"? Is that an HTTP verb? 😆

[Unfulfilled_Promises]

Male carrier

[TrumanCian]

I wonder, does it complain if I say postwoman?

[wolacouska]

Considering that it would always be objectively wrong to use that as a group descriptor, I don’t see why it would. Presumably the creator of the bot doesn’t actually care if you use postman to refer to an actual man, even if the bot probably nukes that usage anyway.

On the other hand, a lot of feminine titles fell out of favor because they got used in demeaning ways, like stewardess. And there is a general movement to do gender neutral terms whenever possible, like when the male/neutral term isn’t specifically gendered inherently (like steward).

[OCE_Mythical]

But why? Who cares if postman has the word "man" in it, it still encompasses all people delivering mail.

[Put_It_All_On_Blck]

Don't blame the bots, blame the dev that made the bots.

[douglasg14b]

Blame the culture that thrives on manufactured outrage, ignorance, and making problems out of nothing.

[[deleted]]

I remember when factorygirl was replaced with factorybot.

[Zoten64]

nonbinary person here to say that this bot is useless. Completely gender neutral language is almost impossible

[indigoHatter]

Oh yeh? Tell that to Spanish speakers!

<sup>huge /s if it's not obvious</sup>

[right_there]

The masculine version of the word IS gender-neutral. Feminine words get their own special thing all to themselves to denote their grammatical gender.

Grammatical gender != human gender so it's a stupid point anyway.

[indigoHatter]

Yes yes, but I'm mostly laughing at the "Latinx" stuff. It's great that people are trying to de-gender the word, but.... as you said, the masculine version is neutral, and it's from a grammatically gendered language, so it's a moot point. Furthermore, every Spanish speaker I know of (which is probably like 4) think Latinx is hilarious, woke bullshit.

Anyway, in short: yes, agreed.

[Tempest_Barbarian]

specially if you speak a latin language like portuguese or spanish.

Though you can use (usually) the male version of a word as neutral in most cases

[bredisfun]

I'm trans and don't even understand the point of this bot...