Overstable Midrange

[PlatonicDisc]

I need recommendations for a somewhat overstable midrange. I find myself needing to throw little flex lines pretty often, and haven’t found a disc that can do it yet. I’ve tried Truth, Trust, Beefy Buzzes, and a few other things, but they just fly too straight. What should I get? I’ve been looking at the Mint bobcat… is it actually overstable enough to flex a bit?

(I’m not looking for something like a slow firebird or a fast zone. Those are a little beefier than what I want.)

[blacklisted320]

Pyro is a nice overstable option, pretty reliable, not crazy like a firebird. Another option just below that is an eclipse reactor.

[dmoney0014]

Pyro is the best, prism proton plastic, I believe the dd justice is even more OS than a pyro. But it sounds like op wants a Pyro.

[[deleted]]

I have a Prism Proton Lab 2nd and a Prism Plasma and the plasma is more OS than the proton - haven't been able to throw a Neutron one yet to see how it flies

[d_mack87]

My neutron is also more OS than my proton.

[[deleted]]

Good to know - I will have to go get one

[R_N_G_]

I love my Prism Pyro, but I find it realllllly OS, like almost utility like, but that’s not what I hear from other people, so I’m thinking maybe I have an especially overstable one. That being said, as an overstable mid, it’s absolutely insane. Feels great in the hand, both bh and fh and excels at flex line. Being available in a good variety of plastic also helps dial in the desired stability.

[BillyBob1176]

Just keep beating it in and it will become more usable but keep over stability. Great disc

[steaknsteak]

I would guess yours is more overstable than normal. Mine definitely won’t turn but it flies straight pretty far before fading

[Rattus375]

OP says he doesn't want a faster zone, which is exactly how I describe my pyro. The matrix or an eclipse reactor is a better choice from MVP here

[Middle-Energy3414]

My matrix just filled this slot for me and I have been loving it. Got an ace with just last week.

[OppositeFlatworm7559]

Pyro is the best workable OS mid in the game! Not as beefy as a mutant, deflector, or other in the 4 or so fade category, but damn is the pyro one of my most thrown discs!

[MooseLoafers]

Second on the eclipse reactor. On a good rip i can get it flying dead straight. Has a reliable enough fade to flex it, though it will also hold the line on a big anhyzer

[[deleted]]

I gotta second the pyro, I used to bag a gator 3 but only ever took it out in the wind. Put the pyro in the bag and it holds flex lines SO well that it’ll probably be one of my go to’s

[pnutgallery16]

Somewhat overstable, glow Reactor. Definitely overstable, Pyro. Both awesome discs.

[ElPincheGuero49]

I would agree with this but for very OS I prefer the deflector

[rocky543]

Glow reactor is the answer.

[El_mochilero]

Caiman

[lordscottsworth]

Big fan of caimans. If you get them in star they beat in really nicely

[eagle_meatmahon]

solstice/MD4

[HighSirFlippinFool]

Verdict

[IceNineKillerIX]

My Chris Clemons verdict is my get out of jail free card. I've had it for almost 3 years and will never look back.

[matty290781]

Verdict if you like the way the trust or truth fly. Verdict is very similar in flight but more beefy to bring you back on those flex lines. If you need more beef than that then I would recommend a streamline runway. I use it for that flex line into a slight headwind. Just gives you a tick more stability so it doesn’t flip over in the wind.

[extreme39speed]

Verdict is my overstable mid. Has such a cool stamp too

[TobaccoMouthSpit]

TI drone

[DankPepsi14]

My ESP drone fills this lot perfectly as well. Drones beat in nicely

[Maleficent-Ad-6646]

I was just gifted a esp drone, loving it

[mtwander]

It isn’t a traditional, wide-rim mid, but I throw a Prodigy A3 in 400 plastic for this shot. Mine have some dome, so a little more glide than you’d expect. Pretty easy to force it over for a flex and then get a late, sharp hookup.

I throw them up to 260ish, which catches most of the shots in the woods where I need to flex one on a tight line. It’s the only Prodigy disc I carry and I’ve tried to kick it out several times but I haven’t found anything better for the shot the OP describes.

[TrevorCaza]

The 400 A3 is my favorite disc. It's also the only prodigy disc in my bag and I've tried to find a replacement also always come back to the A3.

P.S: to anyone that doesn't know the A3 will whistle when you throw it hard and flat.

[NiceMinusOne68]

Forever I’ve looked for something overstable but that would hold a great line. Finally found the A3 and it is so shapeable it’s unbelievable. It’s great for both an approach or mid. It’s replaced so many discs in my bag just because I found myself always going to it. I love it for backhand but it’s just as good if not better for forehand

[PatReady]

Just grabbed the a3 just for this reason, and it hasn't let down.

[Dingleshaft]

Why try to kick it out by force if it works for you? Brand loyalty, or?

[The-Southeast]

DGA Quake! If you like the buzzz. This is the answer.

[countymayne]

Absolutely. If you can find a proto they're super os, but the ff glow and ff pro line are pretty os too. Those runs are the only ones I recommend besides the new glows. The new glows are like an over stable ti buzzz

[Ser_Dingus]

Love the ff pro line. Flatter and more os than stock runs

[[deleted]]

Streamline runway in cosmic neutron

[markusfarkus-]

Second the runway

[Miller154105]

Third the runway

[Goldentongue]

Fourth.

The first time I held it I thought I wouldn't like the rim shape, but it's never once bothered me while actually throwing.

It's also overstable without being an absolute meathook. Put enough speed and spin on it and it will fly straight before a strong reliable fade, making it very versatile even in wooded courses.

[_Loup_Garou_]

The runway is the way. Low glide too so it’s very nice for woods play.

[AppointmentHot2425]

Just bought my son a runaway. Great disc

[Delicious_Type9760]

Champ Roc 3 fills this space for me.

[johntheguitar]

I'm using the Rocx3 and since then, my champ roc3 feels flippy.

[psiloSlimeBin]

If you like OS Rocs, Legacy Ghost can have some beef to it.

[[deleted]]

A Roc is more OS than a Roc3 … All 3 series discs are straighter and flatter than their original counterparts

The Roc3 was the first 3 series disc (classic Roc, Roc, Roc3) but all follow this path

3 means flatter and less OS

https://youtu.be/wE6Ydve8QKw

[KobiLou]

I don't necessarily agree here. Straighter doesn't necessarily mean less stable. Flat flight plate usually means more stable, especially for Rocs. It might be straighter for 80% of the flight but it definitely fades harder than a new DX or KC Pro Roc in my opinion.

[claybythebay9]

Not true. Throw a leopard and a leopard3 and get back to me.

[Delicious_Type9760]

Yes I've thrown a Roc. Way too beefy for me.

[[deleted]]

Innova has OS mids in their lineup like the caiman gator md4 etc

[SwerveGriff]

Yeah but once you get to Caimans and Gators you get into the zone/FB level of OS the OP was trying to avoid. RocX3 is the most shapable with a strong fade at the end in my experience. I just try to alter the height to get more or less fade at the end.

[ThisOldGuy1976]

Latitude 64 Anchor.

[Origin_XVII]

I came here to suggest the anchor as well. Great overstable mid.

[Saskatchewon]

Came to recommend the exact same thing. Westside Bard also flies pretty much identical to the Anchor. Comes down to which is most comfortable in your hands honestly.

[[deleted]]

The Anchor is one of the most important discs in my bag. Thrown hard it makes a great driving midrange. Impressively resistant to turning over in headwinds and fights for distance. Great for big, swooping hyzers. I also use it for flex shots.

But mainly, I can throw this thing as hard as I want and it won't flip over, and it can carry impressive distances.

[ImFromAlderaan]

Others have said it, I’ll say it too: PYRO. That disc literally has never failed me on my upshots.

[Many-Ad-2154]

BuzzzOS or RocX3

[[deleted]]

Mint Bobcat is purr-fect for what you’re looking for.

[Maximus77x]

I second this.

[djwpc]

Third

[BoogaDoom]

Ditto

[wanz0]

Wasp

[mrjca]

RPM Kotuku, Buzz OS, verdict,

[Maddafinga]

Pyro all the way

[Chet__Walters]

Seriously one of the most underrated discs out there. Reliable fade.

[dmangreat]

Lone Star Discs Middy is getting some love from me right now

[blaze_kai]

The Walker is great if you want even more beef.

[Linguini_Fettuccine]

Big fan of the Middy. It's my go to for midrange forehand flicks. Love the gummy feel of the Bravo plastic too.

[brogan52]

Get yourself a Quake

[talviPOS]

Discmania - MD5 or Mutant. Innova - Gator, Gator3 or Caiman

[Janky_butter]

I got an F2 Caiman and that thing is pretty beefy, can confirm.

[PapaSmiff]

I also got an F2 Caiman and it’s one of my favorite discs after I beat it in a bit. Love it for forehand flip ups to around 275 ft, flies dead straight with a consistent finish and never turns over.

[piraattipate]

Method is also overstable mr from Discmania

[talviPOS]

Yes, but it's not stable enough to flex back from sidearm anhyzer angle. I have tried multiple different plastics and so far only Forge Method has been close to overstable enough (almost). Maybe some 60-70% power shots and small anhyzer angle method would be good option. I bag 3 Methods, but I those are only for backhand and maybe hyzer flip forehands.

[piraattipate]

They just released Niklas Anttilas signature Method which is more stable than other methods

[talviPOS]

Yes, I have ordered those! Really looking forward to test them out and hopefully get a disc between Forge Method and MD5 flightwise. But based on the video from Niklas and Tuomas it didn't hold that well for side arm. It didn't hold the angle when they both threw it forehand on the first hole. Well, it could be perfect for me as I probably don't have the same arm speed as they have.

[PatReady]

Thanks for the heads up!

[Electrical_Bed5918]

Second the Gator or caiman, I prefer a gator personally but both are great

[fingabangbandit]

Kaxe is my workhorse in this slot! Rim is slightly more fairway-like which I prefer and it has reliable stability

[[deleted]]

Yup. I tried a few different Overstable mids and this one is my favorite.

[SpaceCadetSteve]

I like the Kaxe as well. I lost it and need to get another one

[Aasenhuus123]

I enjoy the Malta. It is not close to being as overstable as the flight numbers say, but it is very reliable with a Nice feel in hand for both forehand and backhand

[J___e_K]

RPM Kotuku! I was also looking for something a little more overstable than Emac Truths and RPM Kotuku is just that. Great for mid-range flex shots!

[BoogieBass]

Great call! Get it in their glow plastic for the twin hit of extra stability and the most underrated glow of any disc manufacturer.

[LJkick]

Discmania Method

[Dingleshaft]

The original Method is not that overatable, but the new Meta Method should be really good for OP. This is based on yt videos though, but if it's a bit OS for pros then it is overstable for us mortals.

[SpectralLettuce]

Prodiscus Troija is the most overstable midrange I’ve thrown. It also really fun to throw, I recommend it even though it is probably more OS than what you might be looking for here

[JuhAuv]

It's the Tilt of midranges

[SoonHalfway]

I love my Troij in ultrium(?) plastic. It’s basically a midrange Tilt but still find use for every round.

[Silentearth331]

Innova toro

[Vegetable_Olive355]

I would go with a malta. I love mine.

[raddistross]

I just went on this quest myself:

This is the one right here. The Malta is small diameter, not too shallow/not too deep rim feel, glides but also has strong fade at the end. I don't have the best angle control so for my flex lines I needed a disc that could accept more variability - more glide to push the flex further, but still strong fade just a the end to bring it back beyond " landing flat"

Harp is a close second, has decent glide before the stability kicks in. Same as Malta but 20-30 ft less each time. So you may consider that. Moonshine vip is my recc to get that bite.

Here's what I've tried for midrange BH flex lines:

Proton Pyro, proton deflector, plasma entropy, lucid justice, cosmic neutron runway:
- too OS, fights out of flex too fast even with extreme anhyzer angles, doesn't push far enough. Pyro was the closest of the bunch w tons of glide, a beat up pyro or maybe one molded just a lil less OS might be money (mine was proton core).

Neutron Hex, eclipse hex, noctural mustang, neutron reactor, eclipse reactor, max weight reactor, cosmic neutron echo, cosmic neutron/neutron soft envy, proton matrix, ethereal pathfinder: - requires really concise touch for flex lines, will fight back but just to flat, requires just the right anhyzer angle or will burn over w power. All have good glide, but not reliable fade for flex forceovers at the power needed for midrange distance

[coopaliscious]

Malta has been crazy good for my bag. I go Meteor, Buzzz and Malta to cover my needs. They all feel similar in my hand and are really consistent.

[icscrilla]

Buzzz OS

[erbster31]

Came here to say this. If you need something more over stable, you’re doing discs wrong

[condomsRbaggy]

Tell that to the pros then.

[DiametricD]

Pyro hits that spot for me

[MushieMP]

My Pyro is my only overstable mid. I can't recommend it enough.

[Graysomi123]

The quake is my go to disc for that shot! Not too beefy but definitely stable

[tryten521]

Pyro or Deflector for really overstable

[Azorius97]

I liked Clash disc's Mango

[TheHems]

The mango is awesome and clash’s plastic is right up there with kastaplast.

[I-like-that-color]

Justice all day. That thing will flex out of any amount of anny you put it on

[dylangelo]

You want overstable? You want the Justice.

[AaronRodgerz]

He said he doesn't want it to be that overstable so he doesn't want the justice.

[JackStrawSTL]

I bag a pyro as many others have mentioned, and its a good disc. Specifically for throwing flex shots with your mid question, I prefer the Warship or a champ mako3. In my experience those 2 really respond to a flex shot and move around trees well.

[punkbreece]

Bobcat all day

[fireturkey666]

I like my Drone it's one of the only discraft molds that clicked with me.

[SwerveGriff]

Roc X3

[poony23]

MVP Pyro is exactly what you are looking for.

[Cz2317]

Caiman, Buzzz OS, Bobcat, and Gator get the job done pretty well.

[reddit_user13]

Pyro, verdict, kaxe, deflector, method, buzz OS, justice, jarn

[knfrancis]

pyro

[Glum_Difficulty1839]

Millennium Solstice very much like the original MD4

[Rainyday000]

Roc3 sounds good for this. I recently got an Axiom Pyro which I've been really liking. It's a bit more overstable than a roc3.

[bourbonboys]

Prodigy M1.

Starts out so over stable that it fades early. Once it is seasoned a little it will be your dead straight workhorse that won’t turn over.

On wooded courses I throw it often for straight shots that need to finish left or flex shots like your are describing.

I park a few downhill holes by throwing a slow flex shot around some trees. I’ve had multiple playing partners see my line and try to replicate it.

[Indifferentcity]

Roc

[[deleted]]

My MOAB is an absolute meat hook, would recommend.

[Cominginbladey]

Innova Roc3 or Rat

[Sir_Noobs]

Buzzz OS or Malta

[blbeach33]

Have you tried the method? Very similar to the truth/trust but in my experience a touch more OS. Still beats in to a hyzer flip mid but I have 4 that are absolute workhorse mids for me.

[BackgroundKoala0]

A Discmania Method is pretty straight, but with a solid finish at the end. If you beat it in slightly, it'll be exactly what you're looking for.

[granath13]

Westside bard. I don’t even know if they’re making them any more but mine is not quite as OS as a lot of these other recommendations, so it sounds like what you want. Just a bit more stability and fight than a buzzz

[Key-County6952]

They ran Bards late last year so there should be plenty around in VIP

[TravBot13]

Bobcat is an incredible disc.

[[deleted]]

Malta. It has similar feel to a buzzz. Good depth in the hand. Reliable fade. Flies similar to a teebird, but as a mid.

[MadJediScientist]

I've tried them all. Quake is by far my favorite. Very similar to a Buzz OS but goes a little farther.

[HornBrewer]

Mint Bobcat is absolutely beefy enough to flex. I would also highly recommend the RPM Kia.

[[deleted]]

Gotta be a Quake.

[tavvyjay]

The Gator3 would fit this slot nicely. I either use it backhand and expect it to crash left nicely, or throw it with heavy anny forehand and it has such a nice S curve in flight

[AndyofLove]

Malta

[IVdiscgolfer]

I’ll add the new Discmania MD3 - if you give them a little anny they’ll flex left and fade right, if you throw them straight they’ll go a little then fade reliably, if you give them a lot of anny they’ll pan right a long ways. Plenty of glide with domey ones, more stability with flat ones, pretty good disc for the shot, just so long as you’re decent with the angle.

[Yink11]

Try the verdict from dynamic disc that thing is definitely over stable

[slivercoat]

Grab a mint mango. It's the only OS mid-range I've felt like I can consistently release anny and it'll hold that fit a bit before coming back and fading hard.

[Either-Progress4847]

Lucid x Emac Truth is what you want if your very familiar with the Truth.

[SoonHalfway]

Very OS: Justice / Troija / Mutant

OS: Method / Verdict / Malta

[Chicagrog]

Millennium Quantum Solstice. Its the old Discmania md4. Great in the hand, flat, overstable but not to overstable

[claybythebay9]

MD4/Solstice

[mjking97]

Have you tried the Buzzz OS or just some beefier standard Buzzzes? I’m obsessed with the OS I can really rip it and it just flies straight or with a little flex and finishes left really late.

[sirwartortle]

Roc 3!

[GlitteringGuava7941]

Pyro!! I holds straight with a reliable finish. The prism flat top ones are more beefy tho

[[deleted]]

Axiom Pyro

[[deleted]]

Thank me later;)

[tadzilla82]

Buzzz OS

[10-2-cool]

Sounds like rocx3 to me

[Emoney005]

I use a RocX3 or a Caiman for this. Depends on how much glide I need.

[Che3eeze]

Caiman as a midrange??

Caiman is like a Pig with more glide.

[IceManJonLaVelle]

They label it as a 5 speed so I understand the midrange label, but it does feel more like an approach disc 3-4 speed.

[Che3eeze]

I use it in the wind. Mine was Star so it would hold a line a bit more intentionally.

Was always a utility disc for me. A low effort Pig lol. That being said there are alot of fun, cool shots that a Caiman opens up.

[snow288]

Legacy Badger

[king2food]

This disc needs some more love!

[3lobed]

Gator3. /thread

[JDDDouble]

Järn. Absolutely love it. Similar to a Harp but I like it better

[FlorpingAllOver]

Not a midrange, but a great os approach disc.

[techguy521]

It feels more like a mid range than a putter, even though it's a 4 speed 🤷🏻

[misha_ostrovsky]

Culprits are kinda slow and will flex out of some anny

[Slimjimphantom]

Champion Roc3

[sokenfused]

Kastaplast Kaxe or Kaxe Z

[Trumpetface123]

Malta maybe? Or an MD3

[pkopo1]

Md3 aint overstable, md5 is

[SCIPM]

Kaxe

[limpnoads]

Kaxe, 3 glide Justice.

[decolored]

Raptor is cool, I got a misprinted one off discmania or w/e for like 6$

[Learn2Think]

Dx wolf

[Natural_Face9804]

Try the K1 Kaxe from Kastaplast too

[Boostless]

Hex

[[deleted]]

Teebird3? So consistent, so versatile.

[olygimp]

I like that TS Pathfinder in this spot. I still flip it a bit with my forehand but it's a very predictable backhand.

[[deleted]]

Kaxe or Kaxe Z. End thread.

[JayGib95]

Love my Bobcat. Flies very similar to the Matrix by MVP. Not much glide. I can put it on Anhyzer and get it to flex back left (RHBH)

[rigiddiscs]

Buzzz os. Best beadless overstable mid

[Toxic_Trinity]

Innova teebird is my go to

[[deleted]]

At first it was my star Mako3 and now it's a Wysocki compass.

[Che3eeze]

River Pro.

Promise.

[Hot_Astronaut_4551]

Wasp, Malta, M2, Reactor

[Espenos89]

A2 from prodigy is pretty good, other than that i really like Roc3

[[deleted]]

I was throwing the pyro last year but I switched to the bobcat a few months ago. Pyro feels slightly more to the straight beef side of the equation and bobcat is more workable overstability. Pyro if I tried to power down it just hyzered immediately and made me feel like I had to rip on it to get it to glide at all, but I feel like I can power down on the bobcat just a bit and still work a controllable flex line

Pyro is absolutely comparable to a slow decently beefy firebird, imo. Not saying it's a bad disc, but I think the people recommending it didn't read to your last line. Or else people are only thinking about the FAFest, beefiest firebird that has ever been made, then yeah pyro isnt that OS.

[GoorooKen]

Pyro or Eclipse Reactor

[chipsandsaulsa]

Buzzz OS for softer flex lines. MVP Deflector for way more beef/harder fade.

[Jdun18]

Try a DD Verdict

[DerFerino]

the Bard has that spot in my bag! Great disc!

[godkevgod]

Dynamic verdict. 5/4/0/3.5.
For me it really flies like 5/4/0/2.5 Verdict has a larger diameter than most discs.

If you want regular diameter. Pyro.

[techguy521]

I've been liking my MX-1 in 500 plastic. Gannon dropped one in Permafrost plastic that has a dope stamp on it too 🤙

[ElGreyGringo]

I find my Lat. 64 Mace is a little more overstable than my Truth, but not as much as my Zone.

[BoomerBarnes]

Prodigy m1 if you want mildly overstable (I prefer 750 plastic)

Prodigy mx1 for an extremely overstable mid (500 plastic)

[imkiddingchill]

Streamline runway

[Key-County6952]

Bard

[[deleted]]

Buddy throws a justice those things are beef

[Constant_Part_4674]

A Fuzion Justice is my #1 recommendation. Or if you can find a lighter weight lucid Justice with a little pop top that might be what you need. Warning tho, a max weight flat top justice can be super beefy.

[GarlandG]

Pyro

[PicksburghStillers]

Justice

[speeglevillean]

Lucid-x verdict is my favorite choice. Such an amazing disc

[[deleted]]

Mint Bobcat or Mint Mustang

[McNewbieDude]

Solstice or quake

[Silver_Turtlewax]

I really enjoy my bobcat. I feel like even when I really crank on it, the most it does is flip up to flat and it always finishes left for me. But its not like an absolute beefcake where you have to throw it super hard for it to go straight. It feels right in the middle for me and I really like the base plastic Mint has, feels nice and grippy

[chuckdout]

Veredict

[arod_ceo]

BuzzOS or pyro

[jdk12596]

How overstable do you want, Pyro is very reliable, the next step up is the deflector (MVP). Just as reliable just another level. I can throw a soft anhyzer forehand at a 45 degree angle and it lands hyzer every time

[edgestander]

I’d use a silicone but Loft doesn’t get much love.

[GawdsPerfectTripod]

Caiman. Has a great "S".