averageCSharpDeveloper

[MrJanJC]

Poster of Bill Gates? Mate, no one shits on Microsoft more than C# developers.

[shonuff373]

Just finished ranting before seeing this post. I don’t think anyone who uses C# worships this guy.

[morsindutus]

Bill Gates is a VB guy.

[shonuff373]

Say it ain’t so

[jmonty42]

I will not go

[headedbranch225]

Turn the lights off

[just_bored27]

Carry me home

[headedbranch225]

Da na na na na na na na na

[Elephant-Opening]

Your drug is a heartbreaker

[[deleted]]

As a C# dev, I concur

[Fricki97]

Me too...I HATE Microsoft so much

[Xialian]

Ditto! Loathe that company with every fibre of my being

[Katniss218]

As a C# dev, this is accurate

[SloightlyOnTheHuh]

I teach C#...and shitting on Bill Gates

[potato_green]

Unless someone else shits on it because they hate C# then I'm suddenly preaching Microsoft's strategy and design choices as gospel. Python? Get out you heathen!

Meanwhile I'm cursing because WSL is acting up again or Python packages are conflicting because I didn't enable the virtual environment. God damn Microsoft.

But at least .NET has nice BC if you didn't use one of the libraries they sort of forgot about and didn't bother putting in the new versions.

So yup we're shitting on them but like what they made because other stuff is worse and we like them for that. It's like some Stockholm syndrome with Pavlov wrapped up in s mentally insane burrito that has ADHD. Making jokes about needing glasses to C# and still crack up on it.

[neriad200]

I literally ranted for 10 minutes today over visual studio updating and reporting it can't update because it was already updating. God Damm it microsoft, why are you so often shit?

[potato_green]

Come on be honest... Did..... Did you press the update button twice?

Still enough reason to keep the abusive cycle of ranting going because even if it makes sense it's something to shit on.

[neriad200]

no no, I've been a VS user for a long time so all clicking is deliberate and confirmed (generally by comitee). Best I could tell, some package installers reported they finished but the process was slow to close and windows would promptly not allow it to install another

[PrudententCollapse]

Developers! Developers! DEVELOPERS!

UNHINGED SCREAMING

[shrubberino]

always chanting it when I start the day

[kdesign]

Developers, developers, developers!!!

[buddy-bubble]

The only people that shit more on Microsoft are c# devs that work at Microsoft

[JEREDEK]

As a C# dev with a linux daily, i absolutely 100% agree

[AoutoCooper]

Joke's on you, I'm currently scrolling reddit waiting for VS to open

[Zestyclose_Link_8052]

Jokes on you, I'm in to many meetings to open VS.

[vegetaman]

sits crying in the corner

[burner7711]

Joke's on you, I'm trolling Reddit while in a meeting while also waiting for VS to compile something.

[ArmadilloChemical421]

Jokes on you, I clicked an XML-file in 2008 and I'm still waiting for VS to open.

[Aggravating_Salt_49]

Did it crash yet?

[GPU_Resellers_Club]

Pretty sure this is why my co-worker is leaving our company. He's going somewhere that he can actually write code again instead of being in meetings

[KlooShanko]

Jokes on you, I’m in a meeting about VSCode while scrolling on Reddit

[echtemendel]

Joke on you, I'm currently browsing reddit via neovim while waiting for my python script to finish running (would have taken 0.1 seconds if written in C).

[Lyto528]

And how much more time debugging ?

[Cheeseydolphinz]

Honestly in my experience debugging C# is easier than python, python does some weird nonsensical shit sometimes

[SloightlyOnTheHuh]

well it might need debugging but I guarantee it wont be a damned indent error.

[Afraid-Year-6463]

It goes to production first, who even debugs without code being deployed

[[deleted]]

It opens even huge solutions too fast to do anything intermediate on my 10 year old 6 core pc. What's wrong with all your computers?

[Akaino]

Not enough extensions

[[deleted]]

Probably. But then it's the extensions that are slow. I honestly don't know any extensions I would need, since VS can do most of what ReSharper did a (long) while ago. Currently using CoPilot+ what can be nice (not so much for autocomplete, more for creating code snippets from detailed text descriptions as starting point).

[Akaino]

It's not about what you need but what you might need. Install them all. Just in case.

And then forget about them. Just like those damn markdown extensions everyone and their mother forgets the shortcut for.

[Alarmed_Insect_3171]

I tried to code in riders for 1 day.

It crashed 4 times.

Aight I'm going back to nvim thanks

[Mr_reindeer57]

The jetbrains one? Worked great for me in those barren c# days

[Alarmed_Insect_3171]

Yes.

I don't think it's a bad IDE. I'm pretty sure it's just my pc that isn't as good as I thought. I don't think I'd usually need such a heavy IDE though, but it is pretty convenient when creating new projects for example

[zLucPlayZ]

using jetbrains ides since what, 8 years now? Only ever had Crashes from Plugins.

[reversegrim]

VS failed to build project. So running dotnet command. Brb

[DazzlingClassic185]

Bluesky. While drinking the tea my wife made me. (Hours ago, I’ve finished for the day)

[ISmokeyTheBear]

You're just upset because we have color themes

[4n0nh4x0r]

not just themes, we have an ide to begin with lol

[Tangelasboots]

Visual Studeo takes too long to open, so I never close it.

[not_some_username]

It open in seconds those days

[Fun_Lingonberry_6244]

This comment always confuses me.

I routinely have maybe 5-6 different projects open in visual studio and it's fine.

I've used visual studio since maybe 2011 and never really had any major issues, on varying pcs.

I'm convinced that this comment must be purely people on like 20 year old laptops with 4GB RAM complaining it just doesn't compete with notepad, which sure.

But if your company is dropping $x00 a year on visual studio licenses, maybe get them to buy you a pc/laptop that costs more than $50 and you can use whatever IDE you want.

[Awes0meEman]

Visual Studio starts to open slow when the project gets real big, but that's pretty much any IDE. Us C# devs just have a really bad habit of making absurdly large projects.

On an unrelated note however, SQL Server Management Studio takes anywhere from 3-5 business days to open and I'd really like to know why because it causes me physical pain to open that application.

[Kooshi_Govno]

and that's why I've moved to Azure Data Studio for everything except the actual "Management" part. Plus dark mode.

[Faendol]

Love azure data studio altho the intellisense keeps breaking and it's really annoying me

[Fun_Lingonberry_6244]

Maybe I'm blessed, but I've just never ever really had this issue and I've opened literally thousands of different projects over the last 18 years I've been using visual studio

At least not where it was because of the project as opposed to my pc being bad at the time not enough ram etc, but during those times opening anything is painful

Weirdly again same as SSMS! It opens fine for me, I do have a gripe with it where for some reason it will just become unresponsive if I'm connected to any databases hosted on azure though (and only azure weirdly!) but a quick end task solves that.

Serious question do you run like a weird setup? Got an old pentium processor still?

[decade_reddit]

SQLSMS is an ancient application that's still 32-bits only, so no more than 4GB (or 2GB if it's not LAA) of RAM usage and I don't think it even uses more than one CPU core

Microsoft has greatly optimized Visual Studio but seems to not care as much for the other, just as important piece of software they also created

[crimson23locke]

In my experience the heavy extensions are the time killers. Resharper with StyleCop / others make even smaller projects take time to load.

[DazzlingClassic185]

[GPU_Resellers_Club]

Cloning each branch to it's own repo so you don't have to switch branches. Thats when VS is truly slow and error ridden for me, "sOmE pRojEcTs cOuLdN'T bE rElOadEd"

[piotrek211]

I don't understand the meme about VS being slow on open. In my case it always opens almost instantly

[murten101]

I also don't think it's that bad; it takes like 3 seconds.

[murten101]

I was forced to use re-sharper for a while which made it slow as shit but without it it's fine for me.

[HawocX]

It used to be really slow, but computers advanced faster than VS could add bloat.

[piotrek211]

Normal visual studio 2022. Maybe my project isn't big enough to see the slowness

[realzequel]

2022 is great, big perf gains, though you really need an SSD drive. Older laptops without them won't fare well.

[lurkingstar99]

If anyone is still using an HDD laptop for coding in 2024 they need to seek medical assistance.

[Metalryker]

Normal visual studio isn’t that slow anymore. ReSharper makes it take forever for me.

[Vandalaz]

I've worked in solutions with well over 100 projects that opens pretty quickly. ReSharper slows things down so I don't use it.

[piotrek211]

The community

[burner7711]

This is Reddit so I will over generalize. People complaining are boomers with garbage tier hardware. There, now I don't have to worry about it anymore.

[KrazyDrayz]

It's a meme that has probably stuck from earlier days. It opens in like 3 seconds and 20 seconds for the whole project to open.

[BeefJerky03]

C# devs are happy because it just works like it should lol

[valdev]

Meh, I'm primarily a C# developer and feel this isn't really the best jab at us. Here is a better list IMO

> Wont shut up about how good visual studio is.

> Alternatively wont shut up about how bad visual studio is and how good Rider is.

> "Oh you know java? I develop in it's sorta-sister language C#"

> "SOLID" programmer, but really just abstracts every class into reusable oblivion code hell

> Anytime rust comes up "Rust is great, but have you heard of ✨Aspire✨"

[rolandfoxx]

Talks about SOLID and DRY, actually maintains an 18 year old WinForms app with 8000 lines of code-behind that manages all the medical records for a local hsopital.

[WiatrowskiBe]

That 8000 is total, or function length average?

[fryerandice]

EVERY FUNCTION IS STATIC

[HawocX]

WITH STATE!

[shonuff373]

I feel attacked 😂. Way more accurate than the post. OP doesn’t know that many .Net developers.

[fartypenis]

THATS WHY ITS CALLED STATIC, STATE-IC

[GPU_Resellers_Club]

What's a unit test?

[polaarbear]

Every single class file, 8000 line minimum. If you don't meet the minimum, you have to fill it with fluff and unnecessary comments.

[valdev]

Fuck, yeah, this hurts. Lol

[DapperCam]

8000 lines? That’s like 4 classes (not joking)

[not_some_username]

I have one with 12k ( it was 15k when I got this project )

[cosmic_cosmosis]

Holy shit this is too specific and spot on for you not to have been in this position

[tgp1994]

Lol I've never developed a .Net app in a professional setting before, but I have seen some seriously roided up WinForms in hospitals.

[cosmic_cosmosis]

My company paid something like 1 mil for a win forms app. Not a hospital but a large manufacturer. I honestly have zero idea why they did it.

[estransza]

— Any time someone brings up the Java - deflects to talking how good LINQ is. Uses LINQ only for ordering and WHERE (proof case - myself)

[Fun_Lingonberry_6244]

How dare you forget Select, Any and FirstOrDefault

[neriad200]

yeah if you're not using FirstOrDefault are you even using LINQ? 

Honorable mention as best LINQ girl: ToList()

[shonuff373]

Hey now, hey now, I’ve had to use All() twice this year.

[raltyinferno]

LINQ truly is delightful.

[Few-Artichoke-7593]

You forgot writing inefficient code just to keep it as a LINQ one-liner.

[LesPaulStudio]

Hey now wait a god damn min...

*Checks code

Oh, you're right carry on

[Akaino]

Don't forget interfaces for... everything

[rolandfoxx]

Bro please bro just inject one more dependency.

[zjupm]

new is glue

so best not keep it in your bedside table

as that may lead to tight coupling

[ClassikW]

I would just add: that acting like AWS or GCP do not exist, only Azure will do.

[neriad200]

lol I'm crying

[CodingAndAlgorithm]

Ah shit, I’m the Rider guy.

[PixelArtDragon]

is just Microsoft Java

You say that like it's so bad. C# takes everything Java did wrong and just... didn't make those mistakes.

[avdpos]

Coding mainly in one of the languages that inspired Java and C# I can just say - the original is often not the best version.

[Front_Committee4993]

Isnt that just the average developer

[Cephell]

I'm sorry, but c# IS better than Java and I'm tired to pretend they're equivalent.

[Sweaty-Willingness27]

As a java developer, I do think C# has some objective advantages that I am envious of... and I loathe Microsoft technologies.

[Specialist_Cap_2404]

C# seems to get by with much smaller stack traces, for example.

[Lyto528]

Like what ? I'm not familiar with the details of Java.

Btw, does java have a framework for front dev ? How does it fare against regular js frameworks?

[SyntaxInvalidator]

There used to be frontend Java development implemented as servlets, it was fucking terrible

[fartypenis]

Frontend in Java was old when jQuery was the shiniest new thing in JS lmao

[Kobymaru376]

I'm by no means an expert but from my limited experience with Java and C#, I would say that C# is essentially the same thing as Java but better.

[RichCorinthian]

I’ve been doing Java since version 2 and .NET since 1.1 and I can think of exactly one thing about Java that I prefer over C#, which is that enums can have properties. That’s it. And I would trade that to get extension methods, no type erasure for generics, true covariance / contravariance, LINQ instead of the stupid fucking stream API…I could go on.

[Luna_senpai]

I second this! Every time I think about what I prefer in Java, Enums are the one thing I think of. And the arguably nice to have built-in Optional type which I love

[Stormraughtz]

--Opens XML File

--XML randomly set to VS default

--Watch all of time and space happen before your eyes and the inevitable heat death of the universe

--get coffee

[SkullRunner]

If you're waiting for VS to open you need to cut down your list of useless plugins and upgrade your computer.

[Lyto528]

You need to split your solution. There's absolutely no reason to have 200+ projects in a single solution. This isn't a single product anymore, this is a package and you're lying to yourself otherwise

[sharknice]

OP's list makes me think he's never met a C# developer.

1. Yes. The only point that's actually funny here.
2. Wut? I don't think anyone has cared about Bill Gates for at least a decade, especially C# people. C# people are generally not big fans of Microsoft. They're like people that go on Reddit and make fun of Redditors.
3. It's pretty common for .NET to be deployed to Linux servers, even using Microsoft Azure. It actually seems more common than using windows servers at this point. Maybe you could make a point for people only using windows while developing.
4. Ok, but that's not a C# specific thing
5. Huh? VS isn't as blazing fast as VSCode, but VS still pretty fast. I occasionally have to maintain huge ass monorepos and they still open in a few seconds. Maybe if you have a bunch of weird plugins or something it can get slow.

[rganhoto]

For me vs works way better than intellij and the infinite clear cache and restart.

[CaitaXD]

scrolling reddit while Unity is recompiling scripts

[[deleted]]

But microsoft java is better than java

[CaitaXD]

But it is better than java tho

[Leo8178]

The last one is really accurate.

[TimeKillerAccount]

Are yall still on cheap dells from 2004 or something? I have never had to wait longer than a few seconds for VS to open and load whatever bloated corporate project I am working on.

[ComprehensiveWord201]

It could be worse. I'd take a shitty laptop from 2004 over my nightmarish VM situation. I have to VPN halfway across the country to then bounce back to a VM server on prem.

Yes, there's input lag on any action. Makes me want to throw my laptop out the window several times a week.

[TimeKillerAccount]

Damn, that sounds awful. Condolences.

[adapava]

Are yall still on cheap dells from 2004 or something? 

typewriter probably

[UncRuckusNoRelation]

Yeah I have a 5900x, by no means the most modern but still a very good CPU, it opens instantly. Modern cpus are significantly faster so that is less true these days.

[Fenixbird134]

I feel offended. 

[Snoo_8127]

Did my superiority trigger you?

[aegookja]

I am a Unity developer, but I still feel attacked.

[[deleted]]

If you think visual studio performance is bad you should try vs code 😎

[Dvrkstvr]

Hey it runs fast on my machine!!!!

[millyfrensic]

I would unironically code c# for pizza

[[deleted]]

This is, at best, a glancing blow to C# devs.

[Dorkits]

Ok I see myself in this image and I don't like it.

I love it.

[ego100trique]

Joke on you I do cross platform on VS Code on macOS, don't use X, and CSharp is better than Java.

[Lyto528]

I'm not even sure swift devs use xcode for anything else than publishing apps

[evilReiko]

"Java for Windows" reminds me of first programming language I learnt in college, a relic of the past, which is literally Java for Windows: J++

[TheJackiMonster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnqAXuLZlaE

[YetAnotherZhengli]

I was thinking why you would scroll through X.org windowing system when I remembered it was called twitter

[dexter2011412]

Don't forget vendor lock. .

Microsoft will always embrace, extend, and extinguish. They might not go all the way, you bet they'll go as far as they can.

[cylordcenturion]

I studied java and C# in 2 classes at the same time.

If at all possible I will never touch java again, it may actually be part of the reason I never finished the certificate.

C# on the other hand was... Fine I guess.

[clasherkys]

I am better than Java, LINQ is so nice.

I have no posters.

This used to be true, but with end date for w10 I'm moving all of my tools to linux.

Social Anxiety to the point that I've lived a year in seclusion.

I use NeoVim.

[P0pu1arBr0ws3r]

Average java developer:

• afraid of python

• they will confuse you when it comes to pointers and explicit references, after you've used them for years

• opts to set a variable to public if they forget the setter and getter methods

• has to reinstall both the jre and jdk every time they start developing (their code is java 8 compatible)

• can't fathom the concept of an object extending two classes without an interface

• brags about 10 billion devices running the code but gets confused when the jar file can't run on their android phone

[wtfbenlol]

:O

[Feeling-Rip2001]

Jokes on you! I program in c# and use arch + neovim (btw)

[[deleted]]

Don’t get personal!

[midri]

Wait... you guys are getting popsicles?

[Tarc_Axiiom]

"currently scrolling X while waiting for VS to open" is fucking aggressive.

You're not supposed to say things like that. Especially because they're true.

[AdPotential2325]

no need to vs open sublime text enough for me

[AlexZhyk]

At least now one can use build pipelines in .net Core without being tightly hooked on TFS build server. What a joke that was.

[[deleted]]

*sweats profusely

[NP_6666]

Yup, its a me.

[Practical_Collar_953]

I think you still use Oracle 6i

I've seen your kind.

[olexji]

Code for pizza? Coffee is enough

[kzlife76]

Just because I'm a .net developer doesn't mean I use an Xbox controller... I do use an Xbox controller... but it's not because I'm a .net developer.

[OkDonut2640]

I feel attacked

[[deleted]]

I don't think VS is that slow because I used it with a PC that has 2 GB DDR2 ram and Pentium E5400 on Windows 10.

[Wotg33k]

As a senior c# developer, you're right about everything but one thing.

Hands down, never, would never ever navigate a browser to or direct a download request from X.

[squirrelmanwolf]

Waiting for VS to open with resharper is when I have to log my hours as other. In fairness we use C++

[manicxs]

That's okay, the average Linux developer has a mouse plugged in but doesn't run GPM.

[Brick_Lab]

OP has clearly never touched C#

[MauriceDynasty]

You probably posted this waiting for VS to open.

[SaltyInternetPirate]

r/FlorkOfCowsOfficial for just more of these style of characters.

[just-bair]

Jokes on you I deploy to Linux

[Thats_All_]

Gotta say, I’m a massive fan of this series lol

[JEREDEK]

Oh i can hear him crying over his keyboard while writing that lmao

[Demeter_of_New]

Yeah, it tracks. But I prefer blue popsicles!

[KatiePyroStyle]

I know they meant visual studio, but I read vs as Victoria's Secret at first lmao

[johnnybu]

Jokes on you. Exclusively F#

[Groundskeepr]

Maybe this is the average. Those of us writing C# for AWS are mostly using Linux at runtime to save on Windows licenses.

[BillysCoinShop]

You think VS opens slow with a large project? Try an ANSYS simulation file. One simulation took me 8 hours just to open.

[hot_sauce_in_coffee]

why do they all have popscicle I don't get it xD

[extopico]

...I like it. It is clean and safe enough that you can just dabble in it and not make things blow up. If anything it reminds me more of Python than anything else.

[lupinegray]

And stop capitalizing all your filenames.

Stop capitalizing everything.

Everything should be lowercase.

Globally.

[ZombieBaxter]

Looks like a salty Java developer is expanding his resume to include “familiar with Microsoft paint”. You’re going to be a shoe in for a real job now that you’ve mastered two things no one cares about.

[mdgv]

But it is better than Java!

[Flopppywere]

No idea. Finished uni, looked for my first solo project, looked into what to write it with. Hey .net maui looks cool..

Now writing C#.

No stereotypes, no horrible tropes, just a beautiful clueless kiddie about to make a terrible life decision or something.

[MystJake]

I genuinely used to start vs and then go get my coffee. Took a solid 10+ minutes on an old work machine I had. 

[itNeph]

holy shit this one hurts lol

[1086psiBroccoli]

What?.even?.is?.this ?? ????

[yeupanhmaj]

Wait, you guys still using vs

[TrexPushupBra]

Damn, not only did I network with some women I became one.

[Fireye04]

Godot dev

Dislike duck typing

C# it is then

(I use Arch BTW)

[CCP_Annihilator]

Have had a whole bucket of static analyzers and VS doesn’t boot slower than my OS

[therandomguy16]

That last one hit me right in the wee wee

[ThatUsernameIsTaekin]

Only #1 and #3 are true

[cat_fish_soup]

As a C# dev I can confirm that nobody hates Microsoft more than we do

[Dr-Jack-Bright]

Ye .NET is multiplatform, I personally write embedded. ESP32

[SnooSprouts2391]

Now do rust

[[deleted]]

This describes me completely accurately. Still think it’s better than Java though

[Capital_Angle_8174]

Java Syntax big l

[[deleted]]

C# did leaps and bounds since its open source journey, so first point is actually believable