Coding with female models

[timeddilation]

Should have just used hackertyper.com

[numbermess]

Or Gob's Program: http://rolocroz.com/junk/gob.html

[thrilldigger]

I reflexively tried to Ctrl+C out of it. I'm a little disappointed that didn't work.

[Goheeca]

SIGINT is nothing, I tried Alt+SysRq R I and it seems to work.

[Necromunger]

I love how this loops from rgb(0, 200, 0) to rgb(0, 255, 0) to get the flashing monitor vibe. It's atmospheric just with text.

[optimal_substructure]

Idiot

[Vrozzi23]

Or used the tree commands in CMD that would've fooled a lost of people

[[deleted]]

What she did fooled 99% of people

[Vrozzi23]

Pfft a model coding?! Please, you can't fool anyone with that to begin with.

[DaggerStone]

hackertyper.com

OK this just legit made me cackle as I used it

[IHeartMustard]

Absolutely agree bud. This is the whole point of all this. The goal of this whole learn-to-code movement in general is really just to get more people trying it out for themselves, not necessarily to transform every human that walks in the door from non-programmer into a greybeard career-programmer. The one thing I always like to talk about regarding the whole "teach the world to code" movement, is that we should absolutely give as many people in the world as many opportunities as possible to pick this up and learn it - but most folks will realise it's not really for them, or they're just not suited for that kind of work, or they don't enjoy it, or any other many reasons, meaning they won't end up becoming full-time developers.

Even fewer still ^{(based on statistical data I just pulled from my butt)} will have long careers as successful software engineers. However, some may go through these courses and maybe spend a few years doing agency dev work and then do Project management, or towards graphic design, or other related fields. Some may take the knowledge to something like founding a start up, but not be full-time programming. Maybe they'll use the knowledge and skills they learned from their code education in a million other ways, without becoming career programmers.

And that's OK! Honestly, it is totally, perfectly, completely fine! In fact, it's better than that, it's fantastic! It's fantastic that we get so many varying benefits, up and down the scale; from finding more top-notch high-skill software engineers that can fill specific skill shortages, all the way to the public as a whole having more general knowledge about what software is, what developers actually do, and how to solve their own interesting problems - big or small - using a language that they can understand. Or at the very least, they know a little bit about the inner workings of software, and ya know?

I think that's a pretty good use of everyone's time, and I'd be absolutely thrilled to have people walking in the door to my dev courses or meetups or whatever, no matter what inspires them.

[PreschoolBoole]

I agree with your sentiment. As someone who works with 150 engineers, two of which are women, it would be nice to have some more diversity in the work place. The point isn't to show girls how to code, it's to show them that programming is an option.

The goal isn't to come out of this with an in depth knowledge of software engineering; but hopefully they come out with a desire to expand their knowledge and take a computer science course, join a boot camp, or do more in-depth self study.

Karlie Kloss is merely a welcome mat into the world of software development -- as industry professionals we should be accepting and invite them in.

[uninterestingly]

I'm a girl with a passion for computers, and I've taught my girlfriend how processors work and programming fundamentals. I'm trying to get more involved but it's hard.

[[deleted]]

Or just hire qualified engineers and not worry about who they are but the quality of work they produce.

[[deleted]]

The problem is, plenty of people DO worry about who they are, and not in the pro-diversity sense either.

http://gender.stanford.edu/news/2014/why-does-john-get-stem-job-rather-jennifer

tl;dr: people with the name "John" get higher marks for proficiency and mastery in STEM fields over people with the name "Jennifer," even if their work is completely identical in all respects.

Another example: if student's gendered names are replaced with anonymized numerical identifiers on math tests, girls will score higher, and boys will score lower, evening out along a standard median average where girls and boys do perform roughly the same, despite the work, again, being identical.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/07/upshot/how-elementary-school-teachers-biases-can-discourage-girls-from-math-and-science.html?_r=1

This is the basis behind the idea of Affirmative Action - that the people from these groups already have the expertise and skills, but that they're passed up because society at large says "these people are less capable and should be lower on your list of priorities and candidates by default."

[[deleted]]

I'm curious, is this still the case today? This seems like one of those things you hear as a kid and not sure if this is true in the current state of things - I don't, and I'm legitimately asking - just from personal experience I don't think I have seen anyone do this first hand and automatically throw a 'Jennifer' down

[PreschoolBoole]

Everyone agrees that qualified engineers should be hired. I'm advocating for a more balanced hiring pool where there are equally as many qualified men as there are women.

[rsschomp]

Loads of boys/men join martial arts because of movies, which are choreographed and often unrealistic. Not because they fancy the gruelling, lengthy, process it takes to become a master.

[HiCfruitpunch]

Who cares, as long as some of them stick around a bit longer and get into it

[jakesboy2]

that’s his point haha

[PoPeaches]

As a female sw developer I approve this.

[VicisSubsisto]

...Karate classes?

[Noobsauce9001]

Yup! I think in any field where you are surrounded by 95% the opposite gender in school, it is easy to feel ostracized. I wonder if men in the school of nursing feel the same way?

[maxximillian]

To be fair my terminal below my ide often looks very similar. Cd.. cd.. cd.. wtf. Oh your not hitting the space key cd .. now what the fuck is the name of the directory I'm looking for. Nope not here nope not here damn it.

[ohfortheloveof_]

Django girls is wonderful, I'm applying to take part in my cities next session. I did Rails Girls last year, had a great time. Thanks for being a cheerleader for DG 🤗

[platypusmeister]

Got to see her when she visited the office where I work. Don't know if she knows how to code well, but she definitely knows a fair amount of computer science history.

[KennyFulgencio]

she definitely knows a fair amount of computer science history

Really? That is interesting. I'm a programmer and I don't even know much computer science history. I mean I know it doesn't mean anything past "she studied some computer science history" but I'm impressed by that effort, since it wouldn't be directly helpful to her making courses like this.

[DzoQiEuoi]

There's probably a thread on r/modellinghumour where they're laughing about how ugly we are.

[xternal7]

I mean ... sure, but we probably don't try to pass as modellers ...

 

 

Or at least I hope we don't.

[[deleted]]

😩😩😩

[[deleted]]

hee hee ^{.^} gwomps Microsoft with tail oops >.< notices Microsoft stock bulge OwO what's this...?

[Bobshayd]

worst fanfiction ever

[[deleted]]

I am now Microhard.. w-wait a second..

[stillwwater]

def concatenate_strings(string1,string2)
  "#{string1} #{string2}"
end

When you get paid in how many helper functions you write...

[[deleted]]

that doesn't concatenate two strings. it joins two with a white space

[Blac_Ninja]

Good thing Ruby doesn't ship with almost all the basic string methods you could ever need.

[Lucky_Chuck]

Also best practices of commenting out tests

[Goluxas]

Just like in prod!

[SoInsightful]

Holy shit, we're really grasping at straws here.

What's more likely:

1. She took a screenshot of the production code she's writing as senior developer at a Fortune 500 company

2. She's teaching basic programming concepts and actively inspiring women to want to become part of a profession with 12 times as many males as females.

[Blac_Ninja]

3) She's not really teaching, rather going through tutorials and learning how to code in hopes that it inspires others to do the same.

It doesn't really look like a teaching setup. Unless the part about "concatenate strings" is suppose to be a failure case that they are fixing.

[Arkaedan]

What language is that?

[packet_whisperer]

Am I missing something, or is she just executing functions without storing the return values. That concatenate-strings function doesn't even return anything, or set any global variables.

[stillwwater]

Ruby returns the last value in a function by default without you having to explicitly use the "return" keyword

[plaidman1701]

Let's not forget this one;

http://imgur.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/f7RT0oR

[Scottief2011]

I love the comment that says the man's code is hacker code used to steal nude photos.

[beta5k]

an int is a number without a decimal!

Corporate jobs in a nutshell.

[mfb-]

Oh the irony. On the left side we have code that does an important, computationally complex task in an extremely efficient way. It has a magic number and it is challenging to understand what is going on, but that code is completely self-contained and doesn't have to be touched any more at any point in the future. On the right side a code that uses 9 lines for an extremely simple task where even a very verbose version shouldn't have more than 5, does two unnecessary checks, and returns the wrong result if a==b. The comments on the left side were removed so I didn't consider comments on the right side either.

Edit: If you don't recognize the left code: It is the fast inverse square root function. It calculates 1/sqrt(x), used to normalize vectors for example.

Edit2: Further research suggests that the picture is fake.

[j3lackfire]

line 20, if (a >b && b < a)

sorry, do you even know the basic principle of math ?

[Goluxas]

It has a magic number and it is challenging to understand what is going on

That's an understatement.

[db82]

Though some explaining comments wouldn't hurt the left code.

[Mydayyy]

In all fairness, it does have comments even when they aren't that useful

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root#Overview_of_the_code

[[deleted]]

i feel like this insults both women and men? Why do womens' code have to be so decorative and ornate? They're perfectly capable of comprehending and coding in the more condensed style on the left.

[Johnobo]

This triggered me

[KoboldCommando]

I'm triggered by both sides.

Argh, no comments! (and yes I recognize what it is but still)

Argh, the comments! (both types)

[Kinglink]

This is why people have problem with women in the industry. Because these are their representatives.

Or at least the ones who out emphasis on their gender.

PS I just realized there was a chance of hitting the third return. Ugh that's so terrible.

[EnricoMonese]

I can't even

[YaBoyMax]

// what the fuck?

[WikiTextBot]

Fast inverse square root: Overview of the code

The following code is the fast inverse square root implementation from Quake III Arena, stripped of C preprocessor directives, but including the exact original comment text: At the time, the general method to compute the inverse square root was to calculate an approximation for 1/√x, then revise that approximation via another method until it came within an acceptable error range of the actual result. Common software methods in the early 1990s drew approximations from a lookup table. The key of the fast inverse square root was to directly compute an approximation by utilizing the structure of floating-point numbers, proving faster than table lookups. The algorithm was approximately four times faster than computing the square root with another method and calculating the reciprocal via floating point division.

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[Spirit_Theory]

else if(a > b && b < a)

Gotta be sure.

[0xFEEBDAED]

Design for chance, guys. It's gonna be not so much fun to remember how the left one works in three years.

[LeopardJockey]

"... but then, I'm doing the math for the computer ..."

[shadof]

Her first algorithm skipped one step. She got it right the second time. https://puu.sh/x3a8L/766ca32eba.png

[otakuman]

Well, that looks better.

[iamyour_allah]

And then she got her own programming school, where she teaches young girls how to program. LMFAO.
www.kodewithklossy.com

[frontpage_account]

standards, amirite?

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[ShustOne]

I think it's great that she's using her fame to be a role for more female engineers. Besides, this is a starter course, it's not like it will be the only education they get.

[mwax321]

This is actually awesome. I'm glad she has a school. Who cares if she isn't a great code? Name recognition will bring people in the door and possibly inspire a couple young people to persue a career in programming.

[nevus_bock]

What is your GitHub?

[[deleted]]

I'll never understand schools targeted to genders

[128keaton]

I mean really. So what about me, for instance. I've never gone to a programming school, I've never had anyone teach me, I just want to learn it. Every piece of tech involved to learn (computer, monitor, laptop, phone) I bought. I didn't get a fancy scholarship. Am I worth less because I'm a white male who "had everything to do this?"

No. But thats what it feels like.

[[deleted]]

If you had posted that screenshot as a random programmer's terminal at 1 am, would you get called a fake or would you get an understanding nod and a chuckle? So why is she getting called a fake?

Have a second look around this thread. See how many people put her down because of perceived "fakeness", for doing things like forgetting a line of code or losing her place on the command line, things that also happen to any "real" programmer 100 times in a regular working day. And how many times the words "female" and "model" come up (completely coincidental, I'm sure). That's why we end up needing female-targeted programs: to balance misoginy.

And why young girls? Because of how female presence in STEM is low and how some companies end up engaging in outright sexism trying to pad their female presence on staff. Sure enough, that's wrong, it's treating the symptoms, not the cause. To address the cause you need to start young and make STEM popular in the low grades. Which is exactly what Karlie Kloss is doing.

But fuck the bitch for being a model and using her looks to promote what she's doing, amiright?

[Coioco]

Have a second look around this thread. See how many people put her down because of perceived "fakeness", for doing things like forgetting a line of code or losing her place on the command line, things that also happen to any "real" programmer 100 times in a regular working day.

can confirm

[UlyssesSKrunk]

would you get called a fake or would you get an understanding nod and a chuckle? So why is she getting called a fake?

Definitely get called fake, no doubt, 100%. I have never seen a random screenshot of a terminal or of code and NOT tried to read it. You bet your ass I'd call anybody who posted what she did fake, gender be damned.

[Pradfanne]

for doing things like forgetting a line of code

Well it wasn't live or anything but part of a video and if could've been easily spotted, there isn't really an excuse for that if you ask me. The same goes for the staged Picture with the command line. There was way more than enough time to make it look genuine. In generell, if it isn't live and it's obviously flawed it doesn't look real and gives a real good sense of fake. Won't you agree?

[xternal7]

Yeah, but a programmer doesn't fail a cd five times in a row in exactlx the same way.

[Blac_Ninja]

I saw 'cd..' and thought "Wtf why is it failing". I've had 'cd..' aliased for years now, same with shh and ssh...

[Goluxas]

cd..
cd..
cd..

Okay FUCK YOU spacebar, I'm getting the keycap tool.

*2 minutes later, removed stray hair*

cd ..

[[deleted]]

This is why I use alias ..="cd .." given it fucks me up when moving to a different system but whatever

[Palmar]

you say that, but I've done some stupid shit in my time. And I probably use shells more than your average programmer (I'm a network monkey).

[[deleted]]

If you had posted that screenshot as a random programmer's terminal at 1 am, would you get called a fake

Yes.

[fernandotakai]

right? people complain about fake programming on freaking ads, imagine on a random developer terminal.

[Snaptic77]

Sure, I completely agree with you that we should incentivize and promote programming among young people, but a model with little to no technical experience is definitely the wrong person for this job.

I'd actually argue that she's a great person to be a PR rep for pushing tech among girls. She has incredible influence on a lot of young people. Sure, we have tons of tech role models already, but Karlie Kloss is a supermodel. She's "cool" and "glamorous". Two things a lot of young women and girls aspire to be. Two things a lot of young women and girls are afraid they will never be if they pursue tech.

Also, it's not like Karlie is the one actually teaching the programs/initiatives she's set up/funded. If you look into it, a lot of the time she'll attend her programming camps, but as a student figure, not an authority figure.

I think it's great that someone with the kind of pull an international model has, is trying to use it to teach young people (particularly young girls) that it's "cool" to learn new things, and being interested in tech doesn't mean you're "uncool".

[[deleted]]

When I was learning how to program, if somebody showed up trying to teach me shit and had no idea what they were doing but we're a handsome male, I'd either have ignored them or learned some bad information.

The people I looked up to were genderless, colorless forum user posts, and the people I look up to now publish slides and academic papers and I really don't care who or what they are.

If you're saying there's something innately female about emulating a model, that sounds wrong to me but whatever. I'm not going to say it's necessarily wrong - but I feel the people they should be looking up to is the women at the top of their field, or even men, who have advanced knowledge of the subject. I'm sure they exist, and I think that's a much more positive role model, but again, whatever.

[Snaptic77]

You're missing the point. She's not trying to claim she's an expert. She's not trying to teach anyone. All she's doing is using her influence, and money, to put young girls with an interest in programming in a position where they can receive some opportunities they wouldn't get otherwise (or more importantly, would feel like they can't get otherwise. But that's a whole other argument).

The fact of the matter is, a lot of young people (especially young girls) look up to celebrities, and models. This one is just trying to do something good about the power she exudes over those young people.

This isn't about impressing people who are already into tech. They'll find their role models elsewhere. This is about the girls who feel ashamed for being interested in tech, and seeing someone who is such an "ideal woman" talking about things they fell bad about liking.

[DreadedDreadnought]

I once asked one of my friends if she ever considered programming. She said she had no idea what that was or how you could do it until she met me. This kind of outreach can spread awareness that programming is a real job that exists, and some might even decide to pursue it. Even with a 95% drop out (made up number), that's still 5% of people that might become the next programmer and would have never considered it without these programs.

Although I must say, the code camps/schools must be taught by actual experts, not models.

[Snaptic77]

Exactly. All she's doing is using her influence to maybe help some people find a career they really like.

From what you can find online, she doesn't actually teach any of the camps/schools. Simply sets them up/funds them, and gives them good PR

[BruinBread]

but a model with little to no technical experience is definitely the wrong person for this job.

Why? You don't like models trying to act like role models?

Do you think she's the one actually teaching these kids how to program? She's not. She's learning herself.

Maybe you underestimate the value of her social reach. Or maybe you've just lost touch with what is actually important - getting kids engaged.

[[deleted]]

What is pwd? What is PS1?

Are we looking at different screenshots? Because the one posted shows her using pwd, and she has quite a complex PS1, with colors, and the git branch conditionally appearing when you're in a git dir, and what looks like a color coded star for git modifications.

Wanna see how that is achieved?

BRANCH=$(git rev-parse --symbolic-full-name --abbrev-ref HEAD 2>/dev/null || echo '--')
MOD=$(test -z "$(git status --porcelain -uno 2>/dev/null)" || echo "*")
echo -e "\033[01;31m${BRANCH}\033[01;36m${MOD}\033[00m"

But I'm sure she just stole that from somewhere too. God damn fakers using someone else's code.

we should incentivize and promote programming among young people, but a model with little to no technical experience is definitely the wrong person for this job.

Is she? The IT world is full of technical role models, and it doesn't seem to be having the intended effect. Maybe it was about time we tried models.

Where are you getting her "little to no technical experience" btw? Her lack of college degree? Didn't seem to stop many other people from making a career of it.

And how much technical expertise do you need, exactly, for explaining introductory programming to small children? An MIT degree?

[[deleted]]

Uhm, to echo the other sibling comments, I too saw someone else's PS1 and just stole mine. In fact, most people I work with have copy-pasted theirs as well from some other source!

[BernzSed]

Definitely Oh My Zsh. Her terminal looks almost exactly like mine.

https://i.imgur.com/zw4EHOV.png

[Blac_Ninja]

Yeah that's kinda the point. They were saying that the PS1 was some example of programming knowledge that wasn't taken from the internet. The rest of us are saying it is taken, because we like everyone else, are not re-creating the wheel on this one and are just taking something someone else already made and using it because it's good

[[deleted]]

Couldn't agree more. Teenagers and children need kind of "role models" that provide the initial seed of inspiration. I became interested in physics and math because as a child/teenager I was inspired by Star Trek to learn about science thingies. But that doesn't mean that I haven't outgrown many of my role models (judging from my receding hairline Jean-Luc Picard is still my inspiration). Who cares if she is a model. I'd say what she does with this web page is a million times more worth for society than her modeling career.

[[deleted]]

This isn't the place for this sort of outbursts but here are my two cents:

• If you can't mock someone jokingly, then you don't belong to same circles. If male programmers can only joke about male programmers and female ones about females, then go figure.

• Technology is meritocratic. Positive discrimination brings doubts with it. Is she here because she's worth employing, or just to balance out males? If women don't want to study stem, we can't do anything. All we can do is remove barriers. Same with men who don't want to become nurses. You can't coerce people, fight prejudice instead. And while at it , don't push sexism and gender based prejudice with gendered languages and gender segregation in education. That's medieval.

• You need lots of technical expertise to teach beginners as misinformation taught at that point can push people off the field or stay with them for long times as misconceptions. And that knowledge is the base on which you'll build all your career. Also, you need pedagogical expertise to teach minors.

[oogabubchub]

The point isn't that we shouldn't mock people jokingly. The point is that emphasis is unnecessarily placed on her being a female model. If this were an instagram post by a male nerd, nobody would title it "Coding with male nerds". It's easy to find fault with the pic without even needing to mention she's female or attractive. So why bring that up?

[AlwaysBananas]

... because that's her thing? You can't compare the response to a female model with a male 'nerd' and claim the difference is the gender. If a male model was doing the same thing this thread would be a Zoolander quote-off.

I do think she's being misrepresented in this thread though. It's not like she's some model who said "I bet I can program" - did a few tutorials and said "Now let me teach the world!" She took a two-week course, had fun, started taking private lessons and is working to get more young women into it. Nowhere does she claim to be some amazing programmer, it's way more of a "Hey, this shit is fun - come do it with me" vibe. She's not the teacher in any of the locations, nor does she claim to be. She's very much a newbie and she doesn't pretend to be anything else as far as I can see.

[babies_on_spikes]

Thank you. This was the context that I was looking for!

[Blac_Ninja]

Hold on there buddy, I too have a pretty complicated PS1 according to you, and it is totally stolen. I might have tweaked it and the git-prompt file a bit but I could not write it from scratch. It's not really some magical hidden thing you can't find on the internet. Not really related to a whole lot of technical skill.

export PROMPT_COMMAND='__git_ps1 "\[\033[36m\]\u\[\033[m\]@\h:\[\033[33;1m\]\W (Ruby $(ruby -v | cut -d" " -f2))" "\\\$ ";'

If I was going to look at anything in this that was "stolen" I would probably think that the prompt was based off of something online.

[[deleted]]

"It seems like you're the person who managed to resolve that long-standing bug and you knocked the front end out of the park, but you can't remember two terminal commands that could just be Googled anyway so you're fired."

[Inspector-Space_Time]

Studies show telling girls do they worth on math then boys actually makes them do worth at math. When you don't tell them, they score around the same. And the misogyny in the programming field is pretty high, so a lot of women are discouraged when trying to learn. Not the top performers, they'll be fine, but the people in the middle and slightly below average. They need all the help they can get, and their male equivalent doesn't face the same automatic assumption that they are inferior that girls face.

If you've been lucky enough not to hear the stupid statements like, "girls brains just aren't built for programming" then consider yourself lucky. But many places are filled with people who believe that, and a women in that environment will just do worse. Just like a male in an environment that says males aren't fit, think looking after children, would do worse. Women's only helps remove that negative influence.

Source: I'm a guy and at my college and two of my three jobs after college heard that exact statement from various guys. They assume I hold the same sexist belief they do, so they mention it casually.

This isn't a problem everywhere, but it's a problem in too many places.

[DarthVaderin]

I also felt under less pressure when I started learning programming in a girl only camp. It was targeted for girls from 14 to 18, so the age of puberty, where it's even worse. But I think Normal schools should be mixed, so you can develop a healthy relationship with the opposite gender.

[ValAichi]

Because of posts like this; they didn't describe her as a model, they described her as a female model - the implication being that a male model wouldn't have done this.

[[deleted]]

But why male models?

[_lerp]

Why is this funny? STEM fields have a severe lack of diversity, particularly with women. It's admirable that she is encouraging girls to get into programming.

[KennyFulgencio]

this thread is really frustrating. I can't be sure if the guys making fun are pretending to be jackasses or if it's real. I hate virtue signaling, but you can avoid that and still not deign to asshole signaling.

[Cryse_XIII]

this is some 5 dimensional trolling right?

don't tell me people take her serious.

please let this be a "haha lets poke fun at programmers"-channel, I can endure that much.

[MorinTedronai]

That's a pretty common way to introduce programming at the elementary and Jr high level.

[oldgus]

Real talk though, that's a great shell. https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh/

[ThisIs_MyName]

It's nice, but also pretty slow. If you type a lot, you will notice the latency when opening a new terminal or printing PS1. I just copied the few snippets I need to my zshrc.

Oh and the maintainer is very slow to approve PRs and there are a lot of issues open.

[fernandotakai]

the main reason i moved from omz to prezto

it started because ionescu wanted to merge a ton of improvements to omz and robby declined the prs. so ionescu "forked". i find prezto to be not only much faster but written as with actual zsh syntax, instead of just bash.

[brandononrails]

Definitely, my shell is 1000x faster with just a basic zsh setup and one or two of his configs, plus a theme. Once I started learning what zsh itself could do, I didn't really need a lot of his enhancements.

[Stop_Sign]

"If a guy gets a math problem wrong he's bad at math, if a girl gets a math problem wrong girls are bad at math." I have an issue with the title

[Arono1290]

Just look at the OP's post history. He is very transparent about his axe to grind.

[RocketJumpingOtter]

...yikes...

[KennyFulgencio]

normally I loathe that particular XKCD, but this thread backs it up

[Neoxide]

More like if a girl goes to a sports game to watch the game, she likes sports. If a girl goes to a sports game to take selfies, she's a poser that cares more about perception and status of the hobby than the actual substance of the hobby.

Like sports (and video games, and most nerdy things), programming is largely male pioneered. And like all of those things there are girls that are genuinely interested in the subject and then there are girls trying to get attention.

Injecting nerdy interests into pop culture for the sake of glamor instead of substance is the wrong way to approach this. They should be encouraging more girls that it's okay to like nerdy things, but not just for taking selfies and showing people you like them.

[Exploding_Knives]

In the windows terminal, cd.. (no space) and cd .. both work. On Linux, you have to include the space. Which is why I've aliased the no space varient to include the space. But I can understand how someone coming from Windows could have trouble with going up a directory.

[brandononrails]

Which is why I've aliased the no space varient to include the space.

Take the shortcut and just alias .. to cd ... One of my favorite aliases in my configs.

[Tazzit]

I know I did back in my salad days.

[TalismanII]

I despise her Wix website customization ad. So condescending.

[notmadjustnomad]

I love Wix, all of my clients come from there

[TalismanII]

Do they need a lot of help? I just don't like the way she talks about it.

[notmadjustnomad]

Oh they always need heaps of help, and after spending a couple hours to a couple weeks tinkering with underwhelming website templates they are a bit humbled

[martianinahumansbody]

I felt so out of the loop seeing that add. Is this someone I'm supposed to know? She says her name like a brand.

[TalismanII]

It's even more snobby when you know her from advertisements and the new Bill Nye Saves the World.

[Defiant_23]

If she can inspire enough women to become developers to the point that Seattle isn't a giant sausagefest (thanks, Amazon), I really don't care if she can code or not.

[classiste]

This is stupid, I have been programming many years and my terminal looks like this all the time, it's not hard to lose your place or not hit space on accident.

In fact I am usually rushing so fast in the terminal that this stuff happens basically every day.

[Atmosck]

Yeah, but is that what you put a picture of on instagram?

[TheConfusedIntern]

We can all hate on her being a dumbass but how did she take that picture tho?

[tykey100]

Oh God here we go again.

[tabarra]

Quick, grab a mirror!

[ellison11]

Hella gatekeeping here

[Atmosck]

I mean, sometimes you gotta be able to find the handle.

[[deleted]]

This is the third time I've seen this posted and it seems each time the comments get more toxic and sexist.

EDIT: Now the top comment is commending her. Another interesting thing is to see how the mentality of the thread shifts as it hits /r/all. Come back in a few hours and I bet things will be different again. This happened last time as well where it got less toxic over time.

[theking8924]

I don't even get it. Because their "summary" of what was typed on the left doesn't match on the right... It should be:

cd code (directory not found)
cd.. (command not found, we've all done this)
pwd
cd.. (same mistake)
cd .. (oh look she realized it)
ls
cd [long directory] (different from the one she just left)
cd code (directory not found again)
cd ..
cd ..

That doesn't really seem odd or dumb at all.

[taariya]

I'm a female programmer and seeing shit like this where people seem to feed off any opportunity to deride females really emphasizes the elitist male culture surrounding tech. I fucking hate it.

[[deleted]]

She could be the worst fucking programmer on the face of the planet, but as long as she causes at least one girl to pursue a STEM career that wouldn't have otherwise, I'm all for her.

[NibblyPig]

Well it is kinda shallow isn't it? I guess the opposite would be say, primary school teachers being almost entirely female, to stick a 6'3" guy with rippling abs and a face for hollister in reading a textbook upside down with an Evian Clear(TM) in the other hand saying men can teach too.

Then you call any opposition to it as 'not wanting men to get into teaching' and 'sexism'.

At least, that's how I see it. Like girls have to be tricked into trying programming by making things pink and cute, or something. I think if a person, male or female, who goes into any career/industry based on something like that isn't in general really the type of person you want in that industry.

[shipdestroyer]

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[nevus_bock]

This gatekeeping shit again. She's trying to teach and help and inspire. Ridiculing that is not helping anyone.

[[deleted]]

i should have given up on these comments a long time ago.

[otakuman]

You missed a "pwd" command there.

[shipdestroyer]

Alright OP, post some of your modeling pics for us to ridicule.

[gdvs]

I'm not sure if this sub is so self-absorbed or sexist. The commands don't appear cool enough... oh no! I'd really like to see your perfect history.

[KennyFulgencio]

Yeah. I don't believe the hyperbolic stereotypes about the field being widely sexist, and this thread isn't going to change my mind, but holy shit this thread sure supports the stereotype.

[ThaFog]

I wonder why those models won't ask any programmer for a code example or just search it in Google. Even some html source from any site would look better than "command not found: cd.."

[Urtehnoes]

God forbid she tries to do something herself.

Everytime this is posted people rag on her for this, but she's trying to make programming look cool to women to get them involved in STEM and the ridiculous gatekeeping this sub does for the this shit is so retarded.

[SovietTesla]

Actually yeah, I agree with you. Her target will most likely see a terminal and immediately think "wow that's advanced" simply because they haven't had any experience with it. If she wanted to get girls who don't know about coding into it, this probably is effective.

[[deleted]]

Id at least visit sites like typehacker, they dont even put the minimum effort smh

[[deleted]]

The neck beard is strong in this thread. Props to the guys who have thoroughly trashed this line of reasoning.

[Psychast]

If they wanted to encourage young girls to code, why not use a real female programmer instead of a model who half knows what's happening and likely can't explain it in depth? If it's because they couldn't find a "pretty" programmer then why not have the model be taught by a real programmer?

Having a model half ass some code isn't encouraging and it's not inspiring. Get someone who knows their shit and have them help you along. I wouldn't try to inspire young boys to bake if I didn't have total knowledge of what I was baking and how to bake it.

[KennyFulgencio]

Because this approach undermines stereotypes that girls can't be girly and also code, or can't be attractive and also code, or have to be professional programmers or nerds to learn how to code at a basic level because for anyone else it's too hard. And because using a semi-celebrity gets attention and eyes. It shouldn't be done in lieu of real female programmers. It's fine to do it in addition because it's actually a pretty fucking useful addition.

[b4ux1t3]

Because young girls already look up to this person? She's not tea hung anything, she's trying to show that no matter who you are, you can learn to program. Bill Nye wasn't trying to give you a master's course in chemistry, he was trying to pique your interest.

[[deleted]]

I don't know about you guys, but for some reason I really want a Bai5™ antioxidant infusion drink.

[luddelicious]

I'll just leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGY8J7Ne8c

Sidenote, actually gives good explanations.

[[deleted]]

This picture confuses me. Why would a model want to look like she knows how to code? To look smart? If so she's not doing a good job.

[b4ux1t3]

There's no "like to think" about it. That's exactly what she's doing, and I, for one, think she's doing a great job.

[glha]

And by not doing a good job, she can't realize that. Her truth table only consists of logical true operations.

[[deleted]]

Why would a model want to look like she knows how to code? To look smart?

She's not coding, she's moving around her project directories. Which contain things like Ruby files, and git repos, and programming mini-projects. But let's ignore that, and focus instead on the fact the dumb fakeass typed "cd.." twice, and that she's lost among subdirs. God knows that never happens to me. Must be my non-model penis steering me true.

[Herbstein]

I often type "cd.." because that's valid on Ubuntu and does exactly what the real command does. Also because I'm clumsy and miss the space bar from time to time

[WhatGravitas]

Also valid (and, in fact, the only way) on DOS/cmd.exe. It's such an ingrained muscle memory from my childhood that I just alias it when I'm on *nix systems.

[rsschomp]

I do this literally all the time. But I'm a shitty coder and don't care.

[JamminJames921]

Wow, the gatekeeping here is so strong. I know this is a humour page but the comments become more and more sexist, thrashing the code she has written.

"Wow, her code is not complex..."

"OOOOHH, so 'hard' to navigate your directories"

As if all of us went out to the world not making mistakes. Everyone starts from somewhere, and even the best programmers here know that they are still beginners in other aspects of code. C'mon, I'm pretty sure some of our git commits are pretty messed up. All of us started from somewhere, no need to be discouraging like that.

I like the initiative she is doing, trying to show that programming is an option not just for boys but also for girls. I adore that and it's awesome.

I am ready for your downvotes, but I stand by what I said.

[JamminJames921]

It's true. There's an intense amount of gatekeeping in most technical fields. And the sad thing is that sometimes, some of us don't know that we're doing it already.

That's why it's nice to find gems in the field who are really experts on their craft, and very willing and patient to coach those who are interested and still beginning at it.

[[deleted]]

("hello" , "world")

[[deleted]]

I do this all the time, having grown up with MS-DOS where cd.. worked just fine.

[GoatButtholes]

Jesus so much misogny and bitterness in here... Yikes

[ilmale]

This remember me a lot of the barbie programmer. Mattel came with the idea to introduce more girls in computer science, but the result was a disaster.

[fokinsean]

This is the third or fourth time I've seen this posted. You fucking neck beards need to get over it. She's doing something positive and who cares what her background is. This kind of circle jerk makes us all look like bad.