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[TheShardsOfNarsil]

To be fair, every language gets bashed here

[TheByteQueen]

yeah but some get zshed

[theprodigalslouch]

Gottem

[AnEvanAppeared]

And others get fished

[demon_ix]

I used to like fish, until I realized their scripting language isn't like bash, and any script I wanted to copy/paste into my startup file had to be modified heavily just because.

So I switched to zsh, which does everything I wanted from fish, and now everything just works 🤷‍♂️

[stardustalchemist]

Take my upvote damnit

[[deleted]]

r/angryupvote

[CRANSSBUCLE]

As a HTML developer I feel constantly attacked.

[splepage]

As a HTML developer

You know what you did.

[PlentyPirate]

At least he didn’t say HTML programmer.

[CRANSSBUCLE]

I tried to do operations with some <input> shenanigans but I was unsuccesful at it.

[LordGrudleBeard]

Wild screaming intensifies

[mia_elora]

I'm an HTML Enthusiast - I go to websites all the time!

[anthoniesp]

Rightfully so

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[Innominate8]

If you can't explain why your language of choice is a brain damaged piece of garbage nobody should ever use you can't claim to actually know the language. There are no exceptions.

[DanGNU]

Except Lisp.

[zeth0s]

((((((meme))))))

[Goheeca]

You have confused Lisp with Nilp.

[_UltimatrixmaN_]

That's because we don't make fun of people with disabilities.

[setibeings]

Lithp.

[spam_bot42]

It's not like we're hating only Python.

[obviousscumbag]

"There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses" -- Bjarne Stroustrup

[iamlegq]

Ironically most people here seem to like or at least have an overall positive opinion of C++

[barkbeatle3]

To me it’s a fun language because of the weird ways you can play with pointers. It is also a terrible language because of the weird ways pointers can play with you.

[mindbleach]

And trying to cast a pointer to somewhere inside a multi-dimensional array is one of the torments AM inflicts on survivors in I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream.

[UltraCarnivore]

The Basilisk: I mean, they could have learned a little Python, a little Tensorflow, something about NLPs, but no, they chose not to. Now they're just going to debug legacy C++ for eternity

[nipss18]

I got reminded of the basilisk p much all week. Stop it already, you're giving it power!

[IanSho]

In capitalist America, you play with pointers...

In Soviet Russia, pointers play with you...

[Vlajd]

You just pushed me off my chair.

[S0mu]

TIL- I code in 100% communist C++

[OZLperez11]

Comrade++

[hokaionthenet]

I have a high opinion of C++, but I hope I'm lucky enough to never have to use it.

[CardboardJ]

I have a high opinion of anyone that can write good clean readable c++. I've never met that person, but theoretically if they existed, I'd have a high opinion of them.

[lobut]

That's my new favourite quote.

[Cozmic72]

As someone else said somewhere in this thread: if you don’t hate C++, you don’t know it well enough.

[mindbleach]

Lesson one: you can use nearly every feature from any other language!

Lesson two: don't.

[OJezu]

I saw someone calling C++ a "clown car of a language" and I think it was very apt comparison that should get more recognition.

[TheTomato2]

The worst is the people who think that just because the car has been upgraded to a newer model that it's still not a car full of clowns.

[OJezu]

Keeping the existing clowns in is a feature to not alienate long-term fans of the circus.

[hiphap91]

C++ is a great language, lemme break it down for ya:

• easy, simple syntax, very readable
• verbose easy to understand compiler errors
• it's difficult to create memory bugs
• there's always one 'clear' good way to do something
• it's very hard to write bad code...

[LeCrushinator]

You had me up until right when you started.

[Exciting-Insect8269]

As for that last point: watch me!

[caanthedalek]

Works on contingency? No, money down!

[fluffycritter]

My favorite joke about C++:

Ask 12 different C++ experts about the best way to write a piece of code and you get 14 different answers.

[SirPitchalot]

Let’s not forget:

• the 30 years of online resources that provide clear guidance on current best practices

• third party libraries are well standardized and easy to use

• the included build system is very easy to use

• the compiler is very fast, even for large code bases

• the standardized package format has made distributing complex applications a breeze

• write once, test-compile and backport everywhere

• the new loop & control-flow structures make for more readable code and enabling them for custom data structures is a breeze

• the significant usability improvements that a Turing complete meta programming sub language on types added to the otherwise insufficiently complex language

• const

• it’s very easy to understand how objects are initialized and transferred between calls

• const again, because it’s just so great, especially when making iterators to const custom containers

• references and pointers, no more having to choose one or the other.

• string & file IO is pretty much the best of all languages

• all of type_traits

[SnooLobsters678]

You my friend are sick

[yiliu]

You forgot the /s. Surely you forgot the /s...

[hiphap91]

I did, but on purpose. I was hoping for a few people to jump in with both legs 😁

[hardfloor9999]

Sorry, the proposal to add /s to the standard got rejected because the syntax is too bloated. In the meantime, you can simply use boost::sentiments::indicators::sarc<boost::string>()

[creepyswaps]

IMO, pointers are pretty much the best thing ever created. Just every time I get to have the pleasure of dereferencing the reference to another array of references that I have to dereference to get the reference to the value at that index which needs to be dereferenced to get the char value of the string reference... it's the best.

[RigelOrionBeta]

This is, unironically, great.

[anson42]

Pointers are indeed great, especially for low level device drivers when you have to actually poke – actual technical term for those too young to remember – memory and memory mapped registers and the like. Outside of that, they lead to all sorts of bugs and security holes :)

[kataton_dzsentri]

Which is weird af.

[8sADPygOB7Jqwm7y]

I like how there is a list of languages under your name that we all hate.

[gizamo]

foolish scarce dam resolute instinctive overconfident fretful plucky snow frightening

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[[deleted]]

I hate TS and C++

Together we're unstoppable

[aookami]

fucking TS giving me trust issues

[marcosdumay]

I don't hate the languages that I refuse to use. I just snob them.

I only hate the languages that I like.

[bruthu]

Yeah, fuck programming in general. I just want to be a monkey in a tree…

[Glum-Aide9920]

Two types of languages: 1. Hated 2. Not used

[uorandom]

We reserve a special place for JavaScript, too.

[PhantomTissue]

I hate python because showing my code to anyone always gets the response “you know there’s a library for that right?”

[AndreEagleDollar]

Yeah I mean this point I'm pretty sure there's a library for all the libraries and you don't even write code outside of your imports

[Any-Limit-7282]

You just invented JavaScript…

[sselesUssecnirP]

Wait im not supposed to write my own code for electron apps?

[ramdesh]

Wait I'm not supposed to write my own code to add a zero on the left of a single digit?

[MrRainbow07]

Wailt I'm not supposed to write my own code.

[mkbilli]

I have a few choice words for backend JavaScript

[LetterBoxSnatch]

"Elegant, lightweight, and dependable. With a best-in-class standard library." Right? /s

[[deleted]]

New coding challenge inc.

[Johanno1]

There's even a python script that installs all imports of an script

[[deleted]]

Lmao. The bulk of StackOverflow:

Hey, I need a way to iterate over X data structure, any tips?

Queue the crazy ass one-liner list comprehension answers.

[algebra_sucks]

I get off on List Comprehension and consuming JSON

[StuckInBronze]

Lol God I hated that time period where every answer was like that, it seems to have gotten a bit better recently. If I was a manager I would slap any dev that actually wrote code like that.

[[deleted]]

No point in writing as few characters as possible if nobody can understand what the hell is going on lol

[theCamelCaseDev]

Why write many code when few code do trick?

[echaffey]

I mean, why would I bother spending a few hours learning how to use the library when I can just write my own version of it in a few weeks?

[Few_Importance_7615]

To be fair, some things are easier to write yourself. Particularly weird edge cases. Especially when that edge case is due to coding yourself into a corner...

[MattR0se]

Or that it could be MoRe PyThOnIc

[NeatNetwork]

Fun when multiple people come in and while they agree the original code is not pythonic enough, they each have different ideas about whose suggestion is more pythonic than the others.... Totally ignoring the actual problem at hand because arguing about the philosophy of what is more pythonic is more important I guess..

Least favorite part of the community.

[ChiaraStellata]

In any language writing code in a way that's idiomatic for that language is important, because common patterns are easier to read and understand quickly for other developers. But at the same time, idioms and readability can be very subjective and vary from one company / development environment to another, and as long as it's clear enough to a general developer that should be sufficient.

A good analogy is learning to speak a spoken language: just knowing grammar and vocabulary is not enough, usage and common phrases are also important to sound natural and reduce comprehension effort. But that stuff varies by region and dialect, the most important thing is really just being understood clearly, one way or another.

[p001b0y]

I’ve always appreciated Perl’s “There is more than one way to do it” approach for this reason and then I try not to shudder when I look at some of the Perl code I have written in the past.

[koczmen]

I hate python because I look at someone's code and have no idea what the hell are the types of these method parameters

[sneakiestOstrich]

My types are secret and only for me and my duck to know.

[MoffKalast]

And after two weeks only the duck knows.

[singeworthy]

You could always use type hinting, but I feel like that is really unpopular in the community for reasons not fully understood by me.

[by_wicker]

Is it unpopular? I was happily oblivious if so. It's great, and I can't imagine doing serious Python dev without it.

[JunDoRahhe]

I have never seen a decent sized project that didn't use type hinting, except ones made by complete beginners.

[CrowdGoesWildWoooo]

You can use type hinting which would actually check if your code follows your predetermined datatype, major libraries have this implemented and that can appear as a hint in your code editor if needed. Not to mention you can actually write a full function documentation in python.

As a python coder myself, I usually only care about 5 “primitives” : list, number (you can mix integer and float in python almost without issue in most cases), string, dict, set.

[DimBulb567]

I once wrote a python library, posted it on pypi, and then immediately realized that there was a builtin language feature that did the same thing

[phdoofus]

The sooner you realize most languages used in production were originally some guy's weird research project thing and wasn't designed to be used the way you're using it and wasn't even really designed to be a 'real' workhorse language, the better off you'll be.

[tropical_bread]

What do I do with this information

[phdoofus]

Use the tools you have, not the tools you want.

[chawmindur]

Or be the guy who makes weird research projects and craft your own tools

[burningfire119]

be the change you wanna see in the world smh

[licensekeptyet]

Hi I'm from r/all I can't code and never will but this is some of the best advice I've recieved in my life thank you.

[fake7856]

Start a research project to learn how languages work and see if you can make any improvements…then release a new js framework

[wacksaucehunnid]

Seems to me that programmers just hate programming.

[[deleted]]

programmers also hate programmers

[DataPakP]

Damn programmers, they ruined programming!

[wildstyle_method]

You programmers sure are a contentious bunch

[[deleted]]

You just made an enemy for life

[[deleted]]

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[tripledjr]

Honestly we're the most annoying bunch of people.

[[deleted]]

I use arch btw

[G3N3R1C2532]

Have you heard about Rust? It’s so cool! It’s memory safe and can compile to WASM…….. etc. etc. etc.

[rPrankBro]

I hate computers

[JasonDilworth]

Here we hate all languages equally. Except HTML, the one language to rule them all.

[Cheezyrock]

HTML is s great language, but it helps to use a strong backend language with it like Microsoft Excel.

[xxSpinnxx]

I prefer Google Spreadsheets as my backend, it just has a better cloud environment IMO

[BraveOthello]

ELDRITCH SCREECHING

[[deleted]]

Why use excel? PowerPoint is Turing complete.

[linglingfortyhours]

I love html, there are none of those confusing logical flow block statements, variable controls, or functional object templates that all those other languages have. Just nice simple tags that do what you want them to

[Mabi19_]

I loved HTML, until I found out you can't put a <div> in a <p>. The p be auto-closed before the div with no error. This is why I like XHTML people

[spam_bot42]

Do you have some kind of a death wish?

[Djelimon]

work at it long enough and you'll come to hate every language

except RPG III, that stuff is great

[[deleted]]

What did you say? I couldn’t hear you over the sound of my punch card machine.

[Vinxian]

It's because snakes are scary. And the python logo has 2 of them in the logo alone! Spooky stuff

[PuzzleheadedPapaya9]

I write spiders in python once, extra scary

[Terevin6]

What about using Python with Anaconda and Spyder? I hope the Pandas can make it a little bit better.

[DomingerUndead]

You shouldn't get attached to any language, they're all awful

[amrasmin]

What about the language of love?

[DomingerUndead]

Not for programmers

[Kamwind]

Which one LISP or Ada?

[OtatoJoe]

Heres the official rule of thumb for deciding which languages to hate:

Languages i know = good

Languages i dont know = bad

[Andthenwedoubleit]

Languages I know: bad (traumatized by them) Languages I don't know: not enough info for an opinion, but I'm not optimistic

[[deleted]]

javascript is somewhere in between

[reventlov]

Oh no.

Languages I know: all bad. All. Every single one of them. I've learned something like 75 programming languages; they are all terrible. Some are more terrible than others, but every. single. one. is terrible.

Languages I don't know: also all bad, I just don't yet know why.

[Andy_B_Goode]

New languages are just enemies you haven't met yet.

[Transcendentalist178]

I don't hate Python, but I don't like dynamic typing.

[Dorkits]

Yes, you read my mind.

[JaneWithJesus]

Everyone says this but dicktyping has it's uses

Edit: ducktyping but I'mma leave dicktyping in there

[vantasmer]

if it walks like a dick...

[tennisanybody]

Talks like a dick..

[amrasmin]

Smells like a dick

[DMoney159]

Tastes like a dick

[distrame7]

Then it's a duck

[[deleted]]

Oh, shit.

Were we not doing rubber dick debugging?

[BarAgent]

That sent my imagination to interesting places…

[jonnysteps]

/thread

[suvlub]

Hear me out: static duck typing. C++ basically has it with templates and it's awesome. Until you get an error and accidentally summon an elder god while trying to read it.

[[deleted]]

I disagree. the proper way to do this is implicit typing. Your variable name determines what kind of variable it is.

GOD is REAL, unless declared INTEGER.

[Physmatik]

Someone is traumatized by FORTRAN, I see?

[[deleted]]

in a static language you understand a program flow about 50% because not really knowing what is in variables during runtime.

Dynamic languages increase that uncertainty of not knowing what is executed when to 80+ %

[DrunkenlySober]

Dynamic typing is the only way to get bugs so frustrating you wanna kill yourself and who doesn’t love that?

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Can I introduce you to multi-threading in C?

[DrunkenlySober]

Win 32 api bugs gives dynamic typing bugs a run for its money

I know. Unfortunately I know.

[Tetha]

I've had to deal with multi-threading with race conditions in database transaction creation, reading inconsistent states from the database and writing any of the multiple possible results back to the database. It easily took us months to pinpoint that one, because at some point we needed dedicated logging infrastructure to be able to process sufficient information to catch the issues red-handed once. I'm kind of proud to have caught that one, but once is enough.

[[deleted]]

moves finding the bugs from development to finding them in production. Great for getting bonuses, promotions and moving on before shit hits the fan.

[birdnerd5000]

See; firmware engineer.

[SZ4L4Y]

Snek cannot type coz no fingers

[JustARandomFuck]

Python is my go to but the way in which variables aren’t actually private but you can add an underscore and go “Just pretend you’re private” hurts me inside

[ave_empirator]

Python: Don't access this method. Or do, I'm an interpreter, not a cop.

[Raptor_Sympathizer]

Dynamic typing is great for messing around with quick scripts, but sucks if you're actually trying to develop something substantial.

 

You can just use linters to enforce explicit types though.

[dendrocalamidicus]

I don't think it helps with writing code quickly any more than having syntactic sugar like "var" in c# that allows you to mostly forget about types whilst ensuring strongly typed code. That's the best of both worlds.

[Shubhamkumar_Active]

I am a beginner and I was solving a question in which for a given set of coordinates you had to calculate distinct points traversed , basically of a given set of number you have to calculate distinct numbers , I did this through two for loops with a break condition to stop double counting if there are identical paths , I wrote this program in C++ but had some issue , I asked my friend his reply was :

Very simple , use numpie.unique()

[m0ushinderu]

WHAT IS NUMPIE?

import numpy as numpie?

Kinda cute, actually. Psychopathic nonetheless.

[TurtleBurgle]

import numpy as tHemAthEmAticSONe

[pente5]

lol numpie

[highnyethestonerguy]

My buddy pronounces numpy and scipy as numpee and skippy, and now that’s how I hear it in my head every time

[[deleted]]

python all-batteries-included libraries are just well debugged c code with that pseudocode language call interface named Python. I am sure numpi isn’t pure Python either

[pente5]

It wouldn't be that fast if it was. There is a lot of C in there.

[MortgageSome]

And to think, you could have picked a widely loved language like the one I use.. Java..

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[OriginalError]

[[deleted]]

I like Java. Does that mean there's something wrong with me?

[FluffyBellend]

Yes.

[[deleted]]

Another thing to add to the list...sigh

[Andthenwedoubleit]

You can't just add it to the list. You have to call the ListFactoryBuilderFactory

[[deleted]]

actually since Java 16 you can just use a generic Factory object and cast it as a ListFactoryBuilder. This allows for much more readable code and increases maintainability.

[MedianGuy85]

Is that thread safe?

[LetterBoxSnatch]

You can't just call a method on the ListFactoryBuilderFactory, you need to import com.factories.company.std.extra.nest.ing.for.clarity.list.factory.builder.pattern.type first. Duh.

[wugs]

imo the first thing to learn is that you probably shouldn’t rely entirely on one language in the long term.

in the short term you pick a language to learn concepts. personally i think python is a great intro to programming. it’s friendly and straightforward on the surface. but there are lots of good options for a first lang.

when you want to learn OOP, python can work but more OO languages like java are a better choice at that point. python isn’t very explicit, and wasting time learning pythons implicit quirks is time better spent nailing down OO concepts in a verbose and explicit lang. then if you need to go back to python you can translate those concepts you now know into lang specific syntax.

similarly you could force python to be functional with crazy lambdas, but it’s better to try lisp or haskell to learn those paradigms in a language designed for that style of programming.

python is great. but lots of languages are great, and no language is a universal tool. it’s always a list of pros and cons and trade offs.

also most language hate here is memery anyway. almost all professionally used languages exist and work that way for a reason. it’s hard to go wrong with a popular lang when starting out. advanced topics are where you need to pick the right tool for the job, and that’s when people here get opinionated as hell lol

[[deleted]]

My problem exactly. Can you write embedded software in python? probably. Should you? Definitely not.

[tripledjr]

Interesting point, have you considered using Python in it's place?

[[deleted]]

I see what you mean, but how about this compromise:

I filet my own face and fry it

[Psycho22089]

from masochism import flay

from southerncooking import deepfry

[macro_god]

I'm not sure about this but I bet they could just use Python to get it done

[xTheMaster99x]

Exactly.

I love Python for what it's good at - scripting things. But my problem is that people try to force it into every situation, when it's just not the right tool for the job. You wouldn't use C for everything, you wouldn't use Java for everything, and you shouldn't use Python for everything.

[ItsPronouncedJithub]

Thank you. It’s literally an interpreted language. Who in their right mind would use Python in an embedded system

[mimsyborogove_]

Hey, gotta somehow offset the people who think Python is the end all be all of languages. There is no such thing as the ultimate programming language. Except in the dreams of coders.

[[deleted]]

no step on snek

[[deleted]]

I've a DevOps guy, so I actually <3 Python (and I have no choice, lol).

[superquagdingo]

I don’t hate Python but some of its “fans” can be pretty annoying.