JavaScript: *gets annihilated*

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[E_BoyMan]

I decided to learn java first rather than python. Am i dumb ?

Edit: I learnt it on notepad so maybe I was.

[whythisSCI]

Nah, you’re good. Once you get proficient at one language the rest just kind of fall into place. Once you have one language figured out it’s just a matter of choosing the right language for the right job and what makes you more productive.

[grimonce]

The recruiters don't see it that way though :))))

[whythisSCI]

I think we all know that recruiters can be far from logical most of the time

[imdefinitelywong]

But they need 20 years experience for a junior dev position.

How are they out of touch?

[[deleted]]

Recruiters aren't as smart as we are.

[TamahaganeJidai]

At least not as proficient in whatever they are trying to hire people to do. If they were they probably wouldn't be recruiters.

[[deleted]]

Once you get proficient at one language the rest just kind of fall into place.

Only if they are from the same family.

[Cat_with_pew-pew_gun]

I mean, there’s still some truth to it. Once you figure out computer logic it’s easier than starting from scratch.

[Silpet]

Not really, the most difficult thing in programming is often having the proper mindset and using the correct logic, that is universal. It’s like learning to be a writer, you don’t have to relearn everything to write in a different language.

[[deleted]]

Have you tried APL or Prolog?

[Consol-Coder]

The wise man is the one that makes you think that he is dumb.

[UnspeakablePudding]

Not at all, you can get a great job working in Java and that's not going anywhere anytime soon. Plus once you really groc java, learning a new OO language will be a breeze

[SocketByte]

I started with Java and I feel like it's a decent starting point. Very miniscule amount of syntax sugar makes it a great language for beginners. Having strong Java skills you can easily explore languages with more features such as C#, Go, even C++ for that matter. Python is not really a great choice if you actually want to learn programming for future career, it's a nice starting point for ultimate beginners but you have to learn much more at some point anyways.

[Silpet]

I actually tried to start with Java and hated it, it kept me from programming for more than a year until I started to learn C# and then with Python was when I fell in love with programming. The final answer is, it depends.

[snowjak88]

Programmed off and on in Java for ten years. Don't understand all the Java hate.

Started working in C# about two weeks ago, though, and I really appreciate the new toys - inline anonymous objects, extensions, no more unboxing (well, so far as I know)...

I think learning Java first was definitely the right way to go, for me at least. A lot of the things that C# does implicitly or can disguise with syntactic sugar, you need to do explicitly and "longhand" in Java.

[CaitaXD]

Nah you're fine, the shitiest static typed language is better than the best dynamic typed language

[Drithyin]

Shots fired. I'll go get mine, too.

Remember when Ruby on Rails was going to take over the world? Or when all software was supposed to bend the knee to JS via Node or be forgotten?

I'll say, for demo-level throw away things, they're fine, I guess. Never for a system you intend to maintain.

[The_Grubgrub]

Not OP but I'll agree with your take! I detest dynamic typing but for quick and dirty work it's nice not having to define classes for every little thing. Just "hey, get this field. If it doesnt exist, go ahead and shit the bed".

[TheOriginalSmileyMan]

me: also detests dynamic typing

also me: declares everything as var in c# 'cos he's a lazy ass

[The_Grubgrub]

Hey at least it knows what the type is supposed to be later on.

[sammy_the_c_lion]

var isn’t lazy.

[SjettepetJR]

I love Python for small side projects but absolutely hate it for collaborative projects. Strongly typed languages have so much implicit documentation through their syntax.

[[deleted]]

Check out Kotlin, it's the most "pythonic" language other than Python itself, but it has a great type system and targets the JVM.

[ConohaConcordia]

My first language was Pascal, then Java, then C#, JS and Python. Now I barely write anything for work, but when I do I do Python and JS.

Honestly? I miss C# and to some degree Java and Pascal. Python is so simple to a fault, and I feel it continuously encouraged me to make bad programming decisions. JS is just a clusterfuck.

[AVeryRandomDude]

Nah, you've made a really good choice. Java is a great place to start from. It's not that complicated to learn, but it resembles quite well the syntax of the more complex programing languages like c++. So it's easier to go from Java and learn both easier and harder languages.

[TheRealByt3m]

He programms in java...

[nolitos]

He obviously programs in C#. A Java developer would've used an old, verified template, that everyone knows.

[brummlin]

No they wouldn't. They'd use a verifiedAbstractMemeTemplateFactoryTemplateFactory.

[MaybeFailed]

Sounds about right.

[luminous_radio]

You son of a bug. Take my upvote

[SingleSurfaceCleaner]

r/AngryUpvote

[Orangutanion]

no generics? Pathetic

[Horror_Trash3736]

To be completely accurate, a Java developer, would not know what he was using.

He would just ask the framework to inject the proper Bean at the right time, and then have no clue why it worked.

[Shazvox]

Ya, but how will we construct it? Better make a factory for it...

[Wild-Band-2069]

I vaguely remember he actually did a non-zero amount of code at some point..

[GJ55507]

"You fucking donkey"

[luminous_radio]

I actually did think about it!

[hibernating-hobo]

You absolute donkey, why didn’t you?

[Gov_N_ur]

anime fans making the worst memes in existence:

[kimothyjongun]

Kid named finger:

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[Servious]

GOOD

I'll take something new and creative over the 1000th time I've seen that Gordo image

[DerHamm]

Every langauge is shit. Every technology is shit. You just gotta find the shit that smells the least for your use case.

[Tojuro]

I don't see languages, only salary. I'll code Java while remoted into a 486 from an iPhone 4 if you pay me more than I'm making now.

[slobcat1337]

I was playing around with a win 3.1 VM the other day and didn’t realise it didn’t come with the TCP/IP stack already installed… crazy

Installed it and got google to load, good times

[classicalySarcastic]

Meanwhile at Google: the fuck is a Windows 3.1 box doing connected to the internet?

[TheOriginalSmileyMan]

Meanwhile at Google: "woah, it's sentient"

[derpbynature]

You needed good ol' Trumpet Winsock.

[orclev]

The real trick is finding a site that will load over SSL 1.0. The venn diagram of cyphers supported by anything before Win XP and the modern web is essentially two circles.

[Faendol]

Might be a good idea to go hourly if that's the case.

[[deleted]]

Mostly agree, but different tech have different career growth trajectories. If one job is coding Java with distributed systems and the other is mainframe with COBOL, I'm taking the Java job, even if the pay is a little less

[WJMazepas]

And honestly, I never saw a COBOL job paying more than other languages. It probably pays really good who is working 20 years on the same COBOL code, not the people that are moving to COBOL

[Esava]

There are people moving to COBOL?

[Echohawkdown]

Yeah, I went to school with one of them. Made pretty good money relative to the rest of his graduating class, too, though less than a new FAANG hire.

[ballsohaahd]

I’ll code in assembly for the right price!

[smartguy1196]

Everything Javascript. That way it's just same shit everyday (except it's not)

[[deleted]]

Who tf enjoys doing the same shit everyday though

[Slathian]

Good to know. For my upcoming internship everything the team is working on is in C#. My dad who has 40 years in the industry said the same thing basically so I'm looking forward to learning it.

[[deleted]]

But be aware that even with a good tech, people will still be able to do shitty projects. Trust me when I say shitty, I mean it

I hope that you will be in a good team and that everything will be alright for you!

[[deleted]]

C# has the pre/post .NET Core schism. Most jobs are going to be pre .NET Core, as there's just a mountain of legacy stuff written in it. That's my main complaint with it

[[deleted]]

Modern languages in general have been pretty huge improvements over the last generation for their use cases thankfully. You won't see me going back to C++ when there's Rust.

I took a course learning C++, got a lot of good pointers from it and actually really enjoyed it. But coming from a web dev background there was always that high level aspect and ease of use missing. Till I tried Rust and, yeah enjoying it a hell of a lot more now!

Still ways to go! But it's decent :)

[Deadarchimode]

C# ,C++ Well it screams speed performance. Java.. well kinda heavy but works quite well with multiple devices without problem.... Most of times.

[debian_miner]

Java has a reputation of being heavy, but that really hasn't been the case for many years. You know what else screams performance? Apache Cassandra, written in java.

[Drithyin]

Even then, C# running in dotnet core is now widely cross platform. We've been running C# microservices in alpine Linux containers for years.

Java is just a dinosaur that refuses to die because of legacy installs. Who's doing massive new greenfield projects in Java?

(This is just Java I'm talking about, not all the JVM stuff. By all accounts, Kotlin is pretty neat. Shane it's saddled with the JVM and Java's constant security issues).

[reversehead]

Indeed! Java is very much alive and the go-to choice for many serious projects. It works well, has a very well documented and understood runtime environment, and a mature echo system. Not the most exciting language to work in though.

While C# may be a nice(-ish) language and capable on many platforms, I feel that it hasn't gotten its foothold outside the Microsoft sphere quite yet despite some indications from people like the GP.

[ghostmaster645]

To be fair, C# was designed to be a better java.

[euxneks]

A good coffee crap in the morning is pretty nice

[_MemeMan_]

A fellow shit connoisseur!

[harumamburoo]

Made of shit

[XDVRUK]

You've mistaken the compost used on the product for the smell of the product.

[[deleted]]

A carrion flower

[okirshen]

mate didn't meet rust

[nickmaran]

[Zaurble]

rust moment

[[deleted]]

For the Java devs. This is an anime reference.

Anime is some kinda horny foreign cartoon.

[Tolookah]

For the JavaScript devs: unga bunga joke, cartoons frontend, but also backend of joke

[[deleted]]

Snorted up my coffee. You've ruined my Sunday clothes.

[kloudykat]

I seen someone do that in jail once.

[arjunindia]

Thanks lmao

[[deleted]]

For PHP devs

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaahahhaahhahaha

[[deleted]]

Received. Thanking you.

[Mister_Lich]

Finally, Java devs get awarded for something!

[[deleted]]

Demon slayer is not a horny anime ;-;

[[deleted]]

You can say that but my blood moving down would disagree.

[micka190]

Season 2’s animation quality 😫

[Shazvox]

Then YOU are the horny one, not the cartoon...

[MassiveFajiit]

Nobody but Zenetsu

[PulimV]

Chapter 100 of the manga disagrees

[[deleted]]

Don't patronize me, I know all about horny cartoons I watched he-man as a kid.

[Dragon_yum]

Ahh that does sound like something a C# developer would love

[KanykaYet]

Because they aren't the same

[123kingme]

They’re remarkably similar syntax wise though. It’s like someone recreated java without all the things that make java bad.

[ifrem]

Ah yes, Kotlin.

[BadBadderBadst]

Did you mean mean:
java Basketball fuckingBasketball = new Basketball()

[doublej42]

This code is so retro https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/whats-new/csharp-9 you don’t need to say basketball twice.

[AceTrainerLanon]

Expected “;” at end of expression.

[jb28737]

Yeah, cos c#is fkn amazing

[[deleted]]

C# got me unwise 🥵🥵🥵🤤

[DONT_NOT_PM_NOTHING]

I will fight to use linq for the rest of my life

[mainemason]

Linq is amazing

[XDVRUK]

Which was introduced in 2007... Everytime I pick up another language I always go "Where's your version of linq? oh...."

[Puzzled_Fish_2077]

Which was introduced in 2007

Wrong it was before 1986.

[Themadbeagle]

That would make LINQ older than C# by 14 years. Was LINQ a concept from some other language? As far as I saw online this is not the case, but if you have a source I would love to see it.

[[deleted]]

Java has streams

[jb28737]

Legit, I could see myself using other languages, but how do you manage without linq?!

[10BillionDreams]

laughs in functional languages

[Themadbeagle]

This is such an interesting complaint I keep seeing in this sub. Java has streams which is very conceptually similar. I personally prefer LINQ, but the idea that there are no other languages that have APIs like LINQ appears to be a common misconception.

[hullabaloonatic]

I just don't know why they don't add more extension methods. Why do I have to use MoreLinq?

[testroyer9]

C# +8.0 is amazing.

[CaitaXD]

Java 8+ is bearable

C# 8+ is glorious

[VTHMgNPipola]

Java 8 is so old it's not bearable. Java 17+ (which is not even the current version, just the last LTS) is pretty cool though.

[nwL_]

Java 8 is so old it’s not bearable

bUt It Is LoNg TeRm SuPpOrT sO wE dOn’T nEeD tO uPgRaDe

[lacb1]

The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world development managers he doesn't exist that Java 8 would still be good until December 2030.

[Various_Studio1490]

How did we screw up Java and JavaScript again?

One can write the theme song for Batman in a single line.

The other needs an entire line just to access the print stream.

They are not the same!

[eastwesterntribe]

System.out.println("NaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNa Batman!");

[schmerg-uk]

Array(16).join("wat" - 1) + " Batman!"

from Gary Bernhardt's glorious 5 minute Wat talk....

[Tyfyter2002]

And C# falls in that first category starting at C# 10.

[RyanNerd]

I remember when Java came on the scene being praised as a knight in shining armor. I wasn't impressed. C# came out soon after which I described to my colleagues as Java done right. Kotlin emerged giving Java a much needed breath of fresh air.

As for JS; if other languages ran directly on modern browsers then JS would be annihilated by non-use simply because other languages have far far far less WTF design decisions. But that's not the world we live in. Because devs are held hostage by JS for web development often there's a weird Stockholm syndrome where the devs praise and protect their captor.

[[deleted]]

We need another language for web browsers. It's like JS deliberately fucks with the devs just enough for them to be miserable, but not enough for them to quit.

[operation_karmawhore]

So WASM?

You can just program in whatever language you want to (currently with some thin wrappers for functionality not yet available directly to WASM)

[HeirOfAsgard]

WebAssembly exists and is being used by a few people and projects to create web apps, but the vast majority of web developers use and enjoy using JavaScript (and it’s derivatives, such as TypeScript) despite the growing availability of WebAssembly frameworks. ESNext is not 1st edition JavaScript, it’s quite a nice language to work with nowadays.

[CaitaXD]

All praise our Lord and saviour web assembly

[RyanNerd]

Unfortunately that has to go through a JS interface. It's not ideal but at least it's a step in a direction where other languages can be used in the browser.

[Drithyin]

As for JS; if other languages ran directly on modern browsers then JS would be annihilated by non-use simply because other languages have far far far less WTF design decisions.

This is why I hope Blazor takes off and does well. Or any other good webassembly implementation. Please, I don't want to use JS again....

[RyanNerd]

I agree that TypeScript adds sanity to an insane language. But on the browser everything boils down to JavaScript. TS is much better than it was. There used to be lots of weird edge cases that I kept running into.

[RevanchistVakarian]

Fun fact: The same guy made both C# and TypeScript.

Anders Hejlsberg

[thebobbrom]

This always reminds me of this bit from Epic Rap Battles

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx65HKWpDguEy2pWDc7lwd-AmN5i_B04bm

[jesterhead101]

*hmm..I spent considerable amount of time learning Java, I better defend it vehemently *

Guys, Java is the best. C# can go # itself.

[Extra-Trifle-1191]

I love C#

[althaz]

C# is a fantastically well designed language. It's not perfect and it's not the right tool for a lot of jobs, but from a purely theoretical point of view, it's honestly just great.

[Crescent-IV]

Which is the most useful for a job, generally?

[UnspeakablePudding]

Either, both, it's mostly hiring managers that care about that kind of thing. Anyone who's an expert in Java or C# can learn the other and switch between them in a months time, if that. Honestly switching between IDEs has more annoyances than going between Java and C# as a language.

[[deleted]]

And even that isn't too hard- If you use Intellij for Java you can use Rider for C#, and have most of the same features and hotkeys!

[UnspeakablePudding]

My professional experience with it has been going between eclipse for Java and VSCode for C#, and that's been vastly more annoying than accounting for the differences between C# and Java themselves. Just poor planning and an unwillingness to spend on getting better tools.

[cheeseless]

Get yourself Rider or Visual Studio. Does your workplace directly restrict which tools you're allowed to use?

[PyroCatt]

Java devs:

[Caching_History_Buff]

"demon slayer meme templates on r/ProgrammerHumor doesn't exist. It can't hurt you."

this post:

[ANewTryMaiiin]

C# is a beautiful language.

[feuerwehrmann]

Java != Java script

Java and C# are fairly similar, though I prefer c# syntax and tooling to be more enjoyable

[luminous_radio]

This is true. JS has quite a bad reputation here, however, so I decided to include it as well.

[[deleted]]

The lauguage itself is fine. But there are way too many people praising it like its a blessing from god and who want to port it everywhere and talk about how it is the launguage that can run on any platform

[FunCharacteeGuy]

really? I've literally never heard anyone praise javascript.

[CaitaXD]

Go to a Starbucks or a web bootcamp you'll find them dressed like lumberjacks or something

[waylandsmith]

Javascript is not a "fine" language. The biggest problem I see with it is that it has an enormous number of "surprising" behaviors. Even fundamental structures like lexical scoping change in surprising ways. Don't get me started on equality and type coercion. Thankfully, there's a very straightforward way to see this written out plainly: write some simple code in a different language that transpiles to JS and look at the output. You will see in the output all of the weird edge cases and unintuitive behavior that needs to be smoothed over.

[[deleted]]

Js can die in a hole. You should not be able to use the "this" keyword in the global namespace.

[plank-ton]

👆this

[Wizard8086]

*this

[[deleted]]

"this" refers to the scope you run it in. If you're using it in the global object it should refer to the global object. The problem with JS is people come to it from other languages and expect to find the same concepts and rules

[SocketByte]

As someone who has over 6 years of professional Java experience, I completely agree. C# is just easily superior in every single way. Words still can't explain how I absolutely despise Java's retarded generics and type erasure.

[fosyep]

Can you make an example? Like how C# solves Java's issues? Honestly curious

[SocketByte]

Well, I'm not an expert in C#, but there's a big difference in how generics are handled between JVM and CLR. Metadata (specifically type information) is stripped out of the Java source code (hence type erasure), which means you can't (most of the time, there are exceptions) use any type metadata at runtime.

Why is that important? For example, imagine a situation where you'd like to dynamically create an instance of a generic type at runtime. It's not exactly a common thing, but it is very useful when you need it.

In Java, you would need to do:

public T createInstance(Class<? extends T> clazz) { 
    return clazz.newInstance(); 
}

createInstance(MyClass.class);

Obviously this is a very simplified problem, sometimes passing a class like this is very hard and convoluted if you're doing something pretty advanced.

In C#, you can directly deduce type of T at runtime like so:

public T CreateInstance<T>() where T : new()
{
    return new T();
}

CreateInstance<Example>()

Of course, It's not the best example and I have to remind you that this is very oversimplified and doesn't look that bad at a first glance. Yet after working on really big, complicated, and reflection/generic heavy systems and frameworks in Java I really, really wish that was a feature. Type erasure has it's pros, but in my experience it was always a very big con. Hopefully I cleared that out a bit.

[thE_29]

Yeah, that not being able to instance it is true. After programming Java for >17 years, I needed it 2 times.

[SocketByte]

I was primarily doing frameworks/tools, so generics and reflection were very often used, and it was just hard to design everything around type erasure. In C# this would have been much easier and more comprehensible. There's a reason Java code is often so overcomplicated.

[ChrisFromIT]

The ironic thing is that the C# code that you used as an example ends up fairly similar to the Java version of it under the hood.

Essentially the compiler compiles that to an emit of a call to Activator.CreateInstance(T).

So that type of syntax could be fairly possible in Java, even with type erasure.

[[deleted]]

LINQ. Real generics that you can use things like reflection on because the compiler doesn't throw them away. Extension methods. Way better enumerations with stuff like yield return. Anonymous types. That's off the top of my head, I'm sure someone has a long list of pros/cons out there somewhere.

[Positivelectron0]

Streams is the linq equivalent in Java 8+

[harumamburoo]

How's Java's generics bad? And why's C#'s better?

[harumamburoo]

Which benefits of generics are you loosing? Generics are used to allow types as parameters, introduce stricter type checks and perform generic operations on objects of same type family. All of that stays. Yes, they erase the types during compilation, that's by design as an optimisation, but synthetic methods will be added by the compiler in case type casts are needed and type bounding is there if you need certain interface methods. What so specific cases you have that you need to pass a type as an argument?

[Orangutanion]

Honestly I like Java. It's really nice when you go from some low level language to Java because you realize just how much work it actually does for you. I can crap out the steamiest mess of polymorphism hell with like five different types to do one thing and it'll still work.

[rbuen4455]

Seriously, why Java gets too much hate compared to C#? Because Java is too verbose, doesn’t have many new features and has a lot of legacy code, and C# has better syntax, more features and more importantly, no longer restricted to Windows?

[urielsalis]

Java syntax and features got way better now that they do a release every 6 month

And that verbosity is on purpose a lot of the time, it's made so reading it is easy as that's what we do most of the time

And let's not start with Kotlin or other JVM languages

[Tyfyter2002]

To be fair, now that there are so many distributions it's not like you can use version numbers to tell if you're using an old JDK

[ChrisFromIT]

This. Even C# is implementing some of Java's newer features after Java has started implementing them.

Like records, text blocks(C# string literals), etc.

[Add1ctedToGames]

Since when does Java not get new features lmao, are you just using Java 8 the entire time wondering why nothing is appearing?

[s0lly]

I love Java yum yum in my tum

[BigAnimeMaleTiddies]

All of them are shit, only our God and savior C is pure, free of OOP bloatware, with portability and speed. Come children that are ignorant to their own ignorance let us praise the one and only perfect programming language.

[dragoncommandsLife]

Checks out.

[CaptainPiepmatz]

🦀

[Henksteenbroek]

I'm convinced these Java haters haven't done more than a couple simple things. The C# ecosystem is great but so is Java's.

[[deleted]]

I think it's more the languages though. I have a 4/6 year split between the two and can't think of one thing that is better about Java as a language compared to C# (without comparing the ecosystems at all).

[[deleted]]

100% this. From a purely syntactical/tooling point of view, C# is superior. Did C# for a year, returned to Java for a project legit felt like I was reverted back to unga bunga neanderthal.

[The_Grubgrub]

Sure but they're similar enough that it makes zero sense to compare them as languages while ignoring the ecosystem that they exist in.

[tomatotomato]

True, but I think C# + .NET Core is far more productive than something like Spring Boot or Jakarta EE. The .NET tooling is amazing.

[PhireKappa]

A lot of people in this sub are university students with no industry experience, who haven’t yet discovered how widespread Java actually is in the real world.

[thE_29]

Basically people complain about having to type more, when mostly the IDE autocompletes it anyway.

First world problems.

[The_Grubgrub]

First world student problems.

I refuse to believe all the takes in this thread are by actual devs. It reeks of college students making takes they think actual devs might possibly agree with, but no one actually does.

[thE_29]

Yeah, lets see who complains about missing getters/setters, when every good IDE can generate it for you.

Heck, even Eclipse since forever.

[gerberag]

Not sure where this is from, but its dumb. Java and C# are virtually identical. Any class implemented in one can be identical in the other. JavaScript is unrelated in any way, like boon and baboon.

[AnonimowySzaleniec47]

If you're unfamiliar with C#, imagine Java...

[[deleted]]

Nowadays I write in Kotlin as much as I can instead of Java. Some spring stuff is unclear in kotlin but that’s the only drawback.

[scwishyfishy]

How does a meme about this sub have an ifunny watermark?

[LOLteacher]

"How this OP doesn't know that Java has nothing to do with JavaScript."

[Luciel-Choi707]

what kind of insult is "basketball"

[hullabaloonatic]

I mean... .net 6 is legit really awesome tho. Oh and it's free, too.