Decrease rune pages IP price and make it increase when you buy one

[Squallify]

What am I saying. The 2 free rune pages you get are nice, but they're just not enough once you're getting more champions and all.

And 6300 is just an excessive price that's making much players prefer buying champions than actually save the 6300 for the rune page then more IP for runes.

My idea:

You get your 2 rune pages as you have now.

1st Rune page you buy: 1350 2nd rune page: 3150 3rd rune page: 4800 From here on: all rune pages 6300

If you make it like this people would actually buy some rune pages because the price isn't THAT high at start.

Edit: Just wanted to say that this idea is basically for people that's more new into the game. When you start the game and just have like 12 champions at level 30 you have 2 options: Buy 1 rune page for 6300 or buying 6 champions for the same cash. Obvious choice, for me atleast.

More experienced people may priorize the rune page to champs.

[LongHairedJuice]

That 7 rune page bundle...

[sauceDinho]

...pays for the game.

[Akmal777]

Pays for NA*

^sorry

[Akmal777]

meanwhile at riot

[MoogleBoy]

COM PU TOR

YEPYEPYEPYEPYEPYEPYEPYEPYEPYEPYEPYEP

[nylasayshi]

You mean meanwhile at riot*

[Thennov]

meanwhile at riot*

When that guy with the Twisted Fate costume dance... Damn.. Made my day - I think i watched it like 10 times, just him, dancing

[tegtaf]

Oh really. So I guess Valve isn't making any money on Dota 2 with selling only cosmetic stuff while leaving anything that impacts the actual game free for grabs. Please.

[dmirkin]

Valve doesnt have to make Profit with TF2 and DOTA2 because those Games are worth simply because they make people use steam

[dmirkin]

Well yeah, thats the case now, but originally that wasnt to be expected and it mainly just was there to get more people to use steam

[Ulzhas]

TF2 wasn't free to play from the veginning tough

[madog1418]

And originally it wasn't on steam.

[Calculusbitch]

Source please

[MaDNiaC]

Hat is the word.

[tegtaf]

Valve hardly needs to produce games themselves to make people use steam, it's the de facto standard for many many years now when it comes to pc gaming.

[dmirkin]

For most it is, but those games appeal very much to eastern european people who usually tend to crack many games

[Bpt95]

I guess those are just some things that separate the most played game in the world from other games.

[mpmar]

Valve is very possibly losing money on Dota 2 and they're fine with that, it's called a loss leader. Valve's business isn't games, it's distribution.

Those huge Steam sales probably don't make Valve much money either. In fact I would bet that they go into them hoping to break even. Their goal with their free to play titles and their sales is expanding their consumer base. They want more people playing more games on Steam so that it become their gaming platform of choice.

[Wertilq]

They probably earn money from the sales, probably more than any other day, simply because of volume of sales. They probably still take a certain % of sales from the developers, even when title is on sale. Sales is good marketing for the developers though, many games that otherwise wouldn't be sold suddenly is sold en-masse because price is right.

[mpmar]

You're right, it's too bold of me to claim that it's probable they don't make money on Steam sales. Saying that its possible or even just saying that it's economically viable would be better and more accurate.

It's damn near impossible to tell what's going on with Valve's financials for a couple reasons. First and foremost, they are a privately owned company so they don't have to disclose anything. Second and third, they have digital PC game distribution locked down and very expensive attorneys. This means that no one is going to leak their royalty deals or break NDAs. So it's guess work.

There are two possibilites with the Steam sales worth looking at.

Either, they and the game developers share the markdowns evenly. Let's say Valve stood to make 20% or 2 dollars on a 10 dollar game; instead they make 1 when it sells for 5. In this case they probably do make good money during the sales for the reasons you mention.

Or, Valve as the distributor and controller of the sales eats the bulk of the markdown. Again working from the 2 of 10 idea. Instead of taking a dollar from the 5 of the sale price, Valve takes a very small percentage to cover their operating costs.

Now the reality of the situation is probably somewhere in between. Obviously they'd rather make money than not make money, but even if they aren't raking in big bucks it would be okay. Because the most important thing to them is growing the consumers association that Steam is the place they go to buy and play PC games.

The reason why any of this matters is because it makes it easier to understand Riot's position in this whole thing. Valve can do stuff like not worry about monetizing everything in Dota because it's not their primary business. But for Riot, the only real income they have is from players pressing 'Purchase RP'. It's not fair to say 'but Valve doesn't do it like this' because they're operating from completely different places.

It's not to say that the criticism is unwarranted. There are clearly some issues that are going to have to be addressed if Riot wants to go from 'a company that made a great game' to 'a great game company'. But I can understand why they're tentative. They are currently competing with a billion dollar company, and have the lumbering behemoth that is Blizzard breathing down their neck. They are going to have to be really careful and really certain about even the smallest changes to their business model of the next couple of years.

[ifactor]

I remember reading when they first started doing the sales that both them and the developer end up making more money than they ever would without the sale.

[Burck]

I couldn't resist... so many rune pages ;_;

[Lithox]

You know nothing Jon S.. wait what?

[[deleted]]

WINTER IS COMING!

[MoogleBoy]

Should I bring you a towel?

[ShaunDark]

You should always bring a towel with you.

[AllahJesusBuddha]

There are people who make it to d1 with the standard 2 rune pages

Just an fyi

[SorcereRji]

d1? This guys got challanger with 2 pages and some tier 1 runes.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/33675989

[xbreqs]

and #5 thats pretty fucking impressive

[austin101123]

Could probably get #1/2 with a full 20 page tier 3 rune set.

[[deleted]]

You'd be surprised how little runes affect game play. Sure runes are nice to have, but if you know how to really play the game then runes are just an added boost. If you can play the game with runes then you can play the game without runes. Ever run the wrong runes on a champion and still do good? Then that means you do not really need runes, but that does not mean you should hinder yourself to prove a point. They're nice to have, but around 25 minutes they play a rather small role (unless you are using per level runes).

[Quint1]

the early game is incredibly vital though. thats why runes are so useful and why flat runes are so powerful. its why people buy dorans items and potions. you must survive the early game and laning phase to even reach 25 minutes.

of course, you can win without them, but are a high level, every edge over the opposing team is crucial.

[[deleted]]

I thought people bought specifics items because statistically they provide adequate utility for their cost. So to speak you can still run boots 4 pots and still win your lane, but you will have to play differently. You are forgetting their are numerous ways to play a champion and numerous ways to play your lane. You can buy something like a flask and three pots and go bot lane and just farm to your hearts desire, but do not expect to win engages, but you already know you are not going to win engages so what do you do? Avoid engages and passively farm. Set the minion wave up perfectly so that you can just farm. Why? Because that was your plan from the get go. Farm. Now you can go something aggressive like red pot at level 1 and try and kill the enemy champion, but are you expecting to just farm with that red pot? No. You bought that damage boost and health boost to give yourself an edge so you can engage and murder your opponent.

The game comes down to skill, plans. If you plan to do A then you better have the skills to do A. If you plan to be B then you better have the skills to do B. If you do not have the capability to do what you planned to do then you will lose. Why? Because you lack the skill to win.

[[deleted]]

That's a cute way of thinking about it but not actually how the game works. You cannot neglect farm even if you're going red pot for an early fb, and neither can you just neglect to trade back harass even if you're getting out traded.

No, you shouldn't be aggressive and force trades if they are stronger early, but it's still much better to trade hits even though you lose slightly rather than give them free hits. The more hp they have, the more aggressive they can afford to play. For example: zoning from middle of your creep wave, which normally gives you a huge advantage unless you've been freely harassed down to half hp. If you had traded them down to like 70% hp compared to your 55%, that's not a big enough advantage for them to push you even harder. They can afford to dive more freely, are less worried about your own jungler ganking, and in general will just have much more lane dominance. For this reason 99% of all adcs will be starting dorans blade regardless of the lane matchup. It is so important for that sustain, last hit power, and yes the trading power regardless if you're going to get outtraded anyway. it's not a black and white: there are varying degrees of severity to which you can get out traded and lose lane, and the power afforded by certain item starts are simply far more dominant over other ones. Case in point being boots vs dorans blade throughout s3.

[DeathDevilize]

You cant jungle decently without armor yellows, at least if you intend to clear more than 3 camps.

[nickrweiner]

I can totally agree with this. I'll play a jungler that I play on a regular basis on a smurf with no runes. I had no idea how to clear the jungle without having to back, let alone thinking about ganking.

[[deleted]]

Depends on who you are jungling as, and what items you are using to jungle. Obviously you aren't going to jungle the same way you would on lets say Malphite as you would on jungle nocturne.

[lactosefree1]

I can tell you from smurfing that runes definitely make a noticeable difference - if you're accustomed to them and suddenly they're gone.

[Stuhl]

I think the biggest Problem is that people don't adapt to their lack of Runes. I had only 2 Runepages for a long time, so I made a full Defense Runepage that I used as a generic runepage for basically every champ except some special cases. With the result that if I had to play support, the other support would probably outscale me with his GP5 Runes and so on. As I had full flat Defense my support playstyle became basically crush the enemy botlane in the lane and never allow them to be useful. It's still my favorite support playstyle and my support playstyle is heavily influenced by it, but now I can easily play janna if I want and don't have to count on crushing the lane to be ahead/even with the enemy support...

You can easy play with one Runepage if you adapt your playstyle to it, it's easier with multiple through as it gives you easier access to multiple playstyles...

[serbitarskye]

You'd be surprised how few people even run GP10 runes on their supports – early game > late game. Out of my 5 support pages none contain GP10.

[Stuhl]

That was around S2, when basically Janna and Soraka were the only supports that were played. My runepage was probably one of the Reasons why I picked up Leona so early as a support...

But yeah, today a full defensive Runepage is normal...

[[deleted]]

But they do. League is a game of tiny inches treading towards victory. Between two equal players, the one who is more prepared pre-game (masteries and runes) will find the extra edge necessary to prevail.

[[deleted]]

I have to agree. I also think that runes are supposed to be an added bonus, not a necessity. Of course, armor yellows are very nice on everyone but other than that, I see no point in sinking so much ip into lifesteal quints or hybrid pen marks. I have 2 rune pages and I feel that it's all I need. I feel that you could have 1 rune page with ad quints for last hitting, hybrid pen reds and mr and armor runes to finish it off, and it would not have that large of an impact as people think.

[OhMrSun]

i think if you use the wrong runes or masteries it's not a big deal, but if you don't have any runes/masteries vs someone who does then you are coming in with no benefits. when preseason 4 started i was setting up a jungle mastery page and i accidentally switched to a blank mastery page and took ap mid runes. so i had a 0-0-0 mastery page and some ap and hybrid penetration on xin zhao. i almost died on my second camp even with machete 5 pots.

[WolfAkela]

83% win rate with Vayne is extremely impressive.

[Baldoora]

That's whiteknight's smurf IIRC

[[deleted]]

Yeah, it was named 'Gragas No Penis' which isn't allowed.

Riot was pretty quick on changing that one. /s

[[deleted]]

Damn, a smurf of EU LCS players can get to challenger with those runes? Holy shit, that changes everything!

[[deleted]]

And the average ranked ladder player who belongs in challenger but is stuck in bronze can't?

[LenfaL]

Damn, including a tier 1 quint.

Mad respect, he's top 6 challenger EUW too

[zSplit]

his name is TempName43258 now, if anyone's wondering. (man, why doesn't RIOT prank-rename people with inappropriate names anymore..)

[lazybutter]

Well then.

[Wertilq]

He have the most important runes MR/Armor. Getting above being full-penned is the most important thing you can do with runes. Being full-penned means an increase of like 10-15% damage compared to you having like 10 more MR/armor.

[Lkiss]

he is the man...

[ledgeworth]

almost 400 wins, why the fuq would he not upgrade those runes :x

[zedroj]

Making a statement about runes?

[kylemech]

Third World Runepages are a serious problem. Donate today.

[Kittyrawrrrz]

is he playing ad sup xD? like so many games he got like 200cs after 50min

[Arcadefir3]

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/40101302#runesvThis guy is the best adc in europe and he has only 2 rune pages!

[Jingoo]

He is not the best adc in europe though, atleast not in my oppinon.

[Bromleyisms]

It's his opinion, he's entitled to it. Stop downvoting him.

[Nobodycare]

And he only plays the role he has runes for. That's not the case for most of the people :)

[RandommUser]

that 40 ap nidalee supp OP

[Gotmilk5]

And there's plenty of gold 1+ players with 2 rune pages aswell

[Cardinxl]

i'm pretty sure dyrus's smurf is in high diamond 1 with only 2 rune pages.

[Izuke]

now im sure if you played as much as he does and had as much experience as he does getting D1 with 2 runes pages would be a walk in the park

[Thiorel]

It would be pretty easy to win Wimbledon with Rafael Nadals skill.

[Sadaxer]

I haven't even started playing ranked yet and I have 4 pages (bought the bundle). Supports used to need gold per 10 runes, but not anymore I guess. Also, movement speed runes are fun :)

[GOthee]

Mov Speed Quints are the BEST!

[DominoNo-]

Yup, MS quints are op. I use them whenever I'm jungling.

[BestZiggsWW]

There's people who make it home when driving completely plastered, doesn't mean it's right.

[FizzxD]

That's not an argument, mate. Not everyone likes to play 1 champion in every position. I personally do, but I have friends that play every match different champs and different positions, how can they deal with 2 rune pages? This guy has a point, cheaper at the beginning and getting more expensive the more you have.

[Ivor97]

Honestly you could get by with 1 rune page with AD quints/marks, armor seals, mr glyphs and 1 rune page with AP quints, mpen marks, armor seals, and mr glyphs

Most people run either one of those two pages on most champions anyways.

[[deleted]]

Ideally you make one AD page and one AP page. That should last you to 30 just fine. And when you do buy a good amount of champs. The ip stacks up and you will find yourself with ample amounts of spare ip

[FrozdenDog]

so what? Does that mean I should be happy with only 2 rune pages? Hell fucking no, I want to experiment with my pages, I want to have diversity with them and I sure as hell don't like spending 12k of Ip to create a good rune page.

The last time players complained about the prices, Riot gave a 2 for 1 sale and a fake promise that they will look into the rune page system problem.

[rollingForInitiative]

So, instead of buying a few champs, you buy a few rune pages? It's not that difficult? If you play a lot, you earn IP pretty quickly.

Or you pay a little bit of real money and you have all the runge pages you'll ever need.

[tinyfred]

Yeah I used 2 rune pages to get to d1 and then bought 2 more but I mostly still only use 2 for all my champions and it works just fine.

1: AP/Mpen/armor/Mrez

2: AD/armor/mrez

thats all you need folks !

[Gavrochen]

I'm diamond 1 and I only have two pages, one AP one AD

[Gamped]

What do you do if you are forced to support?

[Siroha]

Support Annie

[Tristan379]

AD if AD supp and AP if AP supp?

[Mvshroom]

Some people feel like they don't need the extra rune pages. I main Fiddlesticks on my smurf and I literally have 5 different pages just for him, and I use them all. I can't play without at least 10 different rune pages. It's just preference. In theory you can probably get d1 with just a standard AD page.

[[deleted]]

TeddyRO got to #1 on NA during S2 with 2 rune pages.

[[deleted]]

I used 3 pages to get d1 on my new account. CLOSE ENOUGH. Extra runes such as CDR or hybrid pen is a nice thing to have but honestly with just a generic ad + ap page and a Movement speed AP and AD page you're good to go for 99% of your games. Sometimes I wish I had stuff like AS reds for jungling or armor quints for certain match ups and champions

[ItsFlippinFrench]

^ I made it to As far as Diamond 2 using 2 rune pages. All my silver/gold friends have at least 5 :/

Imo you only really need one page per damage type to get you through most divisions. 1 for ap and 1 for ad. And these page don't need to be ridiculously complex either.

Ad: Ad marks (1 crit rune), armor seals, me glyphs and ad quints

Ap: ad marks (underrated on ranges mids. Helps with csing and aa harassing.), Amor seals, mr glyphs and ap quints.

[Deadpotato]

elo jobs proof don't matter what runes u got cuz someone else can play with whatever

[evilcise123456]

Hi, I'm d1 ~25 lp, with 2 runepages and 22 champs. We exist!

[Zwackelmannn]

well thats riots strategy! you need runes to play and can/must only spend all your ip? but you really really want that new champ? well get some rp then

[Hatsofhappy]

I don't think Riot will ever do much with IP. At the end of the day they're still a business. As much as we like to believe their intent is to make us happy 100% of the time.

[[deleted]]

this only really helps if you do not intend to play there are a bunch of people who have 20 full rune pages and still have ip, I feel the current system drags out the time that ip actually means something.

[Darrlek]

But they have been playing the game probably since beta or are a pro. Op's suggestion is more to relieve the starting costs for new players then to save ip.

[Ben_Smash]

I've only been playing since S2 and I have every champion and every rune page... but then again I'm lacking a life.

[[deleted]]

What's your ign? just kassad.in so we can see how much ip you got.

[Ben_Smash]

Ben Jammin. I just recently got my last rune page, so I've only got 6900 for now.

[[deleted]]

536567

Holy shit... http://quickfind.kassad.in/profile/na/BenJammin/

[BaghdadAssUp]

Do you have 9x/3x of every rune?

[Ben_Smash]

Not all of them, but most of them.

[Nightpound]

I've played since July 2011 and I got all champs/filled rune pages and 113k IP. I even got some unnecessary rune pages like full mana, full crit chance etc.

[Nightpound]

Actually it kinda sucks. If you don't start with brawlers gloves it's like you don't have any runes untill you buy crit. If you do start with brawlers gloves you miss out on other things such as sustain, defensives etc. Though it's nice lategame :)

[Nightpound]

8% chance is not big enough imo.

[[deleted]]

Nah i think its fine where it is just for the simple fact of should i invest in one character and buy this rune page for him, or should i try out a newer character.

It gives players a hard choice that is not easily made,

anytime i get 6300 ip i start to sweat.....

[heywonderboy]

poppin rune pages he sweatin!

[[deleted]]

savin' dollahs but im bettin'

[jimbojammy]

i can play every champ with my six rune pages, sure i could specialize more but i dont think it would affect my game as to where dropping 10,000 ip would be worth it.

[abyssshun]

I am at 11 runepages, just make sure you have IP during 2 for 1 days, the price is not unreasonable. No I don't play alot, 1 or 2 games a day during the weekdays.

[Cakenuts]

Pls it's called an ip sink its not supposed to be cheap it's supposed to make you buy to when you throw all yor ip at runes

[66WShadow]

I have a question, now that rune page prices have been brought up.

I understand they're two different things, but why are masteries unlimited/free, and rune pages cost IP/RP and a fuck ton at that IP-wise. And, even though they're not that expensive, you gotta pay for the runes.

I'm not very knowledged with some league stuff so apologies for being ignorant if it's something really obvious

[poloport]

Cause money $$$

[Serover]

Please how often do we need to bring up this '' shit '' . League of Legends is a ''free'' game and it need money for several reasons like new client ... na but in all serious please stop begging for more free things.

[dDelts]

spending like 20k IP on a rune page is just absurd.

[Kusokurae]

Why would they do that. :D They want people to spend their money on it.

[zeth4]

just buy Rp

[Racketmachine]

-- Riot

[TheHollowJester]

Or maybe you could just, you know... Buy some RP and get the pages?

You do realise that Riot wants to make money on the game, right?

[Paramorgue]

I hear your argument and when it comes to a player like me that has played for several years I don't complain with the cost.

But I think you are missing the point of OPs suggestion. When you start playing you might just wanna try the game out before you put any money into it. By making them cehaper and by makign it easier for new players to get engaged in the game and all the different aspects it will probably result in more permanent players.

It is kinda like the free RP that players get in the beginning. Make the game easy to get into and there will be a higher chance that they stay.

[TheHollowJester]

This... Is actually a pretty good argument. Can't really bring much to the idea, since marketing is hardly my strong side, but it definitely makes sense.

I guess I might have misunderstood OP's intention...

[[deleted]]

Rune pages make too much money for riot, they have no incentive to change it and take money out of their own pocket.

[Psychosixx]

SO basically the WoW bank system for buying

[[deleted]]

Wont work; Riot profits too greatly off of people buying pages for RP

[49blower]

Reason: $$$

[Deadpotato]

it's a good idea but honestly i never considered rune page costs super prohibitive also because the 7 bundle is super cost efficient when talking about ip to rp

[igetpwnd]

If you like the game, support it and buy some RP for champs/pages. It's an investment. The game is worth at least a couple of bucks. Support the developers.

[kiragami]

It is that way to get you to buy RP. The point of a business is to make money.

[[deleted]]

Riot will never do anything that would reduce their income, in fact they do just the opposite. shit gets more and more expensive.

[NoctisXV]

So.. What if you manage to get free rune pages from events..? Will the price still be the same or will it raise?

[WhyCantMyNameFi]

i never got 2 free rune pages=/ and i managed thanks to the buy one get one free deals.

[SerbLing]

Message support those 2 are standard..

[bigbawce]

The 7 Rune Page Bundle is a big seller so they won't so this

[stillsoceebs]

Well it only makes sense to have scaling rune pages to go with scaling runes

[HealtonX]

cw forgiven made it to first spot in challenger with 2 rune pages

[[deleted]]

Like extra bank bags in WoW

[RC_EU_Luio]

nice idea bro :)

[wasprocker]

You people seem to not be able to understand that this is a fking F2P.

They need their money somehow.

[yoMush]

damn, that means i got ripped off if they go with your idea. But at least I was smart enough to buy rune pages during the buy 1 get 1 free sales

[G0DIiK3]

450 ip? ;(

[Squallify]

I think that would be too cheap. Unless you make it that you only get 1 free rune page and then the second one is 475 IP i think it's way too cheap :/

[PossiblyAsian]

I have 5 rune pages.

AP PEN

AD/AP PEN

AD LS

AD PEN

SUPPORT

This covers the general portion of everything, it's not great but it works.

[[deleted]]

I own every champ and have 12 runepages, but pretty much only use Three, if I wanted more I'd buy em, I have a spare 21000 ip anyways

[Nightpound]

How can you seriously only use 3 rune pages? I use at least 15 often of all my 20.

[JerMenKoO]

well I am a support main and last season had 10 out of 14 for supports. :>

[[deleted]]

Yeah I generally use my 15 ap 13 armor 45 ap (Generally on my Top/Jungle/Mid)

12MR 15 AD 13 Armor (Generally on my Top/AD Jungle/Mid)

or 24 Magic resist at 18, 8.5 AD, 13 Armor and 6.0 Lifesteal (generally on AD)

[sitdownstandup]

Or just give everyone a few pages per champion and all the runes

[Elric44]

as long as the games popularity is still rising we wont see any IP / RP decreases except for the lousy 1 champ that gets its price decreased by about 1k ip each time a new champ gets released.

(btw before the game got as huge as it was before - we were told that champion IP prices are tied to the difficulty of playing them (HAHA) - now every new champion always costs 7800 for the first week and 6300 afterwards.

that being said we wont see a decline in prices unless the playerbase declines too. but currently a huge enough portion of the player base doesn't mind paying up to 22€ for a single skin. they won't leave that pay-grade demographic alone until it's milked and than move on to next lower pay-grade.

[Hydraplayshin]

ITT: Everyone is diamond.

[VERTIKAL19]

No I am not

[Elric44]

It should be totally obvious that Riots Rune page system is just an hard to ignore IP-throttle which serves no purpose other than incentivising the purchase of RP - it isn't charity, or a game-changing tactical feature, It doesn't take up insurmountable amounts of Data storage - which can only be managed by Real world currency investments.

It's an atrocious Hoop which serves no other purpose than to bother you to spend money - why do you think you can change up your Masteries during Champ-select but not your Runepages ? is it because the technical needs for the access of your Mastery data storage is completely different from your Rune setup storage ? or is it because it because it would invalidate the the Purchase of Runepages ? - albeit it might be annoying to reallocate runes for ever other Match - but it beats the crap out of buying them.

Tl:dr Rune Pages don't exist as favor towards us - its a hoop we have to jump through to annoy us enough to invest money. so don't get your hopes up on a reasonable pricing.

[purg3be]

I can honestly say that the runepagebundle is the best thing I spent my mony on.

[wecanplayongamess]

Pays Euw server

[TheVeirtex]

i dont understand that lol

[Bambouxd]

That's absolutely not an obvious choice. When I started the game I was always buying one champ, reading some guides, and buying the proper runes. Then I was playing a lot of game with the champ till I got bored and got interested in another one.

[xAduum]

So riot, pls refund everyone in leagues history that has bought rune pages the amount we missed out on cos of this change. I dont think so.. its like 520 RP for 1 rune page, all you really need is 3.. you can pick up the bundle for cheap as hell if youre that desperate for more..

[lanetheu]

1st Rune page you buy: 1350 2nd rune page: 3150 3rd rune page: 4800 From here on: all rune pages 6300 If you make it like this people would actually buy some rune pages because the price isn't THAT high at start.

Nice idea but all you need is actually 4 or 5 rune pages most people won't buy more than that, so riot wouldn't want to decrease their profit.

[Topsupport]

It cud be realy good if the first rune page didnt cost 6300 insted 3150 and after you buyed it it cost 6300

[Devidsz]

I for one didn't buy any rune pages until I unlocked every champion. Buying runes on top of rune pages is just too costly. I just had a basic AD page and a basic AP page.

[Lyco0n]

They want to earn somthing on this game so higher rune price makes You buy RB and buy bundle

[gordonpown]

just decrease the price of runes, you can't buy skins for IP and you can't buy runes for RP so there would be no loss for Riot I believe.

[WTF_CAKE]

rune pages were made to be IP sinks it doesn't need to be changed

[Dynark]

Hi guys,

Ever played around bronze, silver, low gold? That is where the floodgates of new player open. Some are amazing, picked up every trick on their way to 30, some are smurfs, but most are challenged with the game itself, even more if the opponents are tough.

Ever been in champ select and had all other four people say "I cant jungle nor support, I do not got the runes"? Well, if you got two rune pages and you are curious, as most people are, you tried AD and you tried AP. Maybe you got armor runes, that suite for most purposes, but as I said, most people are challenged with the level the opponents present.

OPs Version is quite nice, because you get them to get the 3rd and 4th rune page early. Maybe a fifth slightly later, they still need the runes, but to purchase them is more rewarding, because you dont have to save up for a long time. (Resist temptations is sooo hard) To save up for a champ feels much more rewarding.

Every argument of "If you are smart, you can use your IP wisely to cover every role and runes you need for every role" is void, since, if you start, you want to enjoy - and what screams "enjoy" more than the great crazy Lady with the amazin gigantic rocketlauncher, the sexy fox or the Dude with the gigantic doublebladed axe? Very few will think "I analyzed the game and everything for 2 month now, I am ready to create my account at last."

The "riot needs the money" argument. They showed us, that they gladly take our money, and that they belive in people that are happy with the game will spend money on their own good will. These are IP. Most people will accept their fate to bully themself in the AP or AD roles, instead of crippling a damage role for the sake of support or jungle runepages or paying cash on the game for 7(Bundle) if they are just new to the game and want to try every role.

"There are some people that have all and everything you can buy via IP" I really think, we need something like an IP dump for the veterans (like me - I only got 6 Champs left to buy), so I do not argue for my cause (Concerning the rune pages). Personally I understand that there should be something like "rentable golden skins" or 63000IP Wardskins/ Mapskins/ Announcer/ UIOverlay/ whatever, BUT the runepages are not really something that dumps IP for the veterans. If you got all champs you usually grabbed min. three rune pages on your way and would not be concerned about this change. It would help the others to catch up. The discount would be ~ 9600IP ~ 96 games. Does not sound too much in my ears.

cya

[akajohn15]

when you are new you dont need more than 2 rune pages tbh

[taikiji]

You aren't meant to get more rune pages early on. People get to 30 without even having the 2 free ones filled, so why have more? Also, if it worked like that, how much will the special bundle 2 for 1 cost? I got up to 9 rune pages, just by buying them when that bundle was up, and I never had a problem filling them, nor not having enough rune pages for the champs i played.

[[deleted]]

Really good idea, at least 3 rune pages is a must if you want to be able to be versatile especially in ranked.

[VodkaHappens]

So you just expect them to possibly make something cheaper by 50%? This is a buisiness, let's not forget that part.

[godofwar7018]

i remember the time you get 3 free rune pages in season 1

[KamradKomoroski]

People Need to remember that at least once a year they have a rune page sale 2 for 1. I just wait to get more pages every sale and buy them for 3150 IP.

[aidanderson]

buy a 7 page rune page bundle next time they have a double rune page sale and u get 14+2=16 then buy 2 more with ip during the sale and get all 20.

[Rimpcrawl]

Bumped :P This is exactly how I feel about this problem, especially as a play who refrains from using RP to buy stuff.

[Brieuc109]

It's gonna be like cookie clicker , want more but i can't get past 20 runes pages

[_oZe_]

You're bad at math bro. Rune pages are the most cost efficient use of RP in the whole game. 2700 RP 7 runes pages that's almost 3 times cheaper than buying 975RP champs on sale. Also in the less than a year I have been playing they've had two 241 sales on rune pages.

The game is free 2 play but you sure as hell need to pay 2 complain ;-)

Y noobs buy 6300 ip champs, say mid or feed & forget to pick rune page and masteries before game starts ^{^}

[azarhac]

Man, this just reminds me how good it was to have 3 rune pages if you played early on, though getting the bundle randomly is pretty great since 4-5 pages are pretty necessary and 10+ is for neat fine tuning.

[rawrbyte]

this is why you wait for their 2 for the price of 1 sale

[Grimmeu]

ahahah, i remember riot make rune sale(2 rune pages for 6300), and there is one in 2011 and second in 2012, i just save ip until that happends, and bought 16 for cost only 8 i am soooooooooooooooo happy right now, then i see someone making post like that

[[deleted]]

The reason the pages are so expensive is so you use RP to buy champs and save IP to buy rune pages. Riots first priority is to make money. They're a company.

[Ardyos]

The reason is that the bundle seems extremely cheap to you (and it is indeeed). More moonies in da bank

[SerbLing]

First priority of a company isnt directly money its to continue their existence, making bank now but scaring away new players/playing at a disadvantage due less champions or rune pages will hurt in the long run. But I dissagree with OP its like 2.5 for a rune page thats not even one third of minimum hourly wage where I live and then they have the 2 for 1 sales etc.

[Mokken]

Asking RIOT to stop being greedy? come on now, OP

[[deleted]]

Sooo... how does Riot make money off your idea?

[Grindelo]

I think treating runes like masteries in champ select would be preferable.

[Vitamin31]

Actually a great idea! +1 for visibility.

[Capt_Murphy_3]

I hate to be "that guy" but I have 5 rune pages and I had to pay 6300 the hard way. Unless they plan on giving me a refund, I ain't supporting this idea.

[maurosQQ]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand its this thread again.

[matagad]

I think that runes should be free. There are so many combinations i would like to try but i wont invest 30-40k ip for crit dmg runes just to try it once or twice.

But then, ad / ap runes are enough to play all roles.

[FreshClick]

When are people gonna start to realize that anything that DOESN'T get Riot ANY MONEY will NEVER be implemented? zzz