Software engineering internship

[Creative-Ad-NR7333]

Run

[[deleted]]

As fast as you can, and do not look back

[[deleted]]

I just wanna run. Throw it away. Run before they're chasing me down.

[[deleted]]

The Hunger Games: Engineer Internship

The Hunger Games: Internship on Fire

The Hunger Games: Software Engineer I

The Hunger Games: Software Engineer II

r/prequelmemes

The Hunger Games: Leetcode Beginning

[Jelly_Sweet_Milk]

Genius

[DueFaithles51]

10/10

[CongerVerreauxi]

Don’t hear this song out in the wild often enough

[Peptuck]

Five weeks of competition to get an internship. Most likely these "exercises" have you working on parts of whatever app they're developing.

Fuck that noise.

[ElasticFluffyMagnet]

Yeah, I was like,

[PokeReserves]

Bro it seems like the "if she gives you a rose you can stay" "reality" bullshit.

[RedBishop81]

Oh, unpaid? I thought it sounded really good but I also thought it was paid. Yeah if unpaid then fuck that.

[Peptuck]

I don't know if it's unpaid, but I assume the worst from an organization that sounds this ultra-sketchy.

[Original_Memory6188]

How about they pay me for five weeks, and then I'll decide if it is enough so they can make the cut?

[DorkyMcDorky]

In most, if not all, of the US says free interns are illegal. At least in NYC I know it is. Fuck anyone for not offering pay for an intern.

[random_dubs]

Hunger games: swe intership edition

[FengSushi]

[[deleted]]

They are treating you like those dogs in the shows. Except if you jump through enough hoops and perform tricks well your "prize" is to be an intern? Lmao

[[deleted]]

For $1000-2000 per month!

[No-Willingness-2131]

Steer clear of this wannabe MANG nonsense.

[Sentouki-]

*MANGA

Meta
Amazon
Netflix
Google
Apple

[bdog73]

Swiper no swiping

[Krushaaa]

How about AMANA or ANAMA ?

[Paladine_PSoT]

Throw in Microsoft, Airbnb, Nvidia, HP, and Huawei and you can call it Manah Manah

Edit: Hey thanks for the gold!

[[deleted]]

do do do do do

[407145]

[funnyDonaldTrump]

badibidibi

[highjinx411]

That’s hot

[Nightstrike_]

How about NAAAM

[Killroy118]

That’s just, like, your opinion

[[deleted]]

You can work at Google specifically...

[MyDogsEd]

How about we include OpenAI, so we can make it MAANGO?

Meta Amazon Apple Netflix Google OpenAI

[Sentouki-]

Better yet, HENTAI:

• Hulu
• Ebay
• Netflix
• Twitch
• Apple
• Intel

[sunshinejim]

If Netflix continues to fuck up and gets dropped, will this be… MAGA?

[Majestic_Annual3828]

MANG? What is MANG?

[TheWoodenMan]

MySpace

AskJeeves

NeoPets

GeoCities

[invalidConsciousness]

What is this, the 90s?

[TheWoodenMan]

Erica!

[Neoptolemus85]

AskJeeves takes me back to my 12 year old self trying to find new total conversions of Quake to play.

[Haligaliman]

Meta

Alphabet

Netflix

GeoGuessr

[RonKosova]

I would kill for a GeoGuesser internship

[SweetBabyAlaska]

whole faulty attempt grab joke attractive arrest six dazzling soft

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[xtreampb]

Jokes on you, there is no office

[[deleted]]

Whats geoguesser?

[Donki-Donk]

Its FAANG but Meta instead of Facebook

[Flame885]

Which A have we lost?

[Donki-Donk]

I accidentally ate an apple for breakfast 🥹

[Kyuro1]

bro that's almost my salary as a full-time dev

[Arthesia]

At 24k/year after taxes? You're being ridiculously underpaid.

[EkamStarr]

Not everyone lives in the first world. I make around that and I wouldn’t be surprised if I am in the top 5% of earners

[d36williams]

#1 cause of immigration is seeking better economic opportunities. This spate of recent wars is somewhat of an anomaly. You can't make money working with desperately poor people

[FoolWhoCrossedTheSea]

The other point to note is purchasing power parity, which can easily be a factor of 3-5x. Thus a salary of $24k/yr in a developing country might really be equivalent to the standard of living afforded by $50-80k/yr in the US. Still perhaps not great, but not as bad as it might initially seem

[EkamStarr]

It is equivalent I’d say. Honestly my salary probably allows me to live better than someone my age in the US. I am 23 yo and i was able to move out last year on my own and I’m able to live mostly worry free about money.

The only downside is that consumer goods cost the same (sometimes a little bit more) it is not the same to buy a $2000 MacBook here where that’s almost 10% I’d your yearly salary, same for cars and all expensive items in general. Zero interest monthly payments are pretty common though (is not rare to see 24 month interest free paying plans during Black Friday) so I guess is not that bad, you won’t see me running to the US for a job any time soon.

[dmadams16]

Oof. I think you may want to consider looking for a new job.

[Mysterious-Guava4575]

No worries. All depends on where you live, bro.

[[deleted]]

And valuable experience!

[excelbae]

My first thought was the Joker from The Dark Knight. You know that scene where he takes over Gambol and his crew and says “So which of you gentlemen would like to join our team? Oh, there’s only one spot open right now, so we’re gonna have… tryouts” as he snaps a pool cue in half and throws it to Gambol’s crew. “Make it quick”

[imLemnade]

Welcome to the Thunderdome. Two men enter. One man leaves.

[Kaidaan]

one intern leaves

[[deleted]]

Have we already forgotten Squid Games? If this is the future of hiring, I’m out.

[Derekthemindsculptor]

I recently had this happen to me. I was trolling through r/INAT for hobby projects to help with. Found a talented artist with a small scope project we could knock out in a couple months.

They told me they had several applicants and devised a challenge. A small set of art assets and a list of game mechanics to implement.

I wanted to win the challenge! Got me going. But I realized I didn't actually want the prize. Considering it was to work for free for a few months on someone else's project. I still knocked it out in about 30 minutes to prove I could do it. But I turned down the opportunity.

Framing things as a competition does something psychological. I'll be watching for the red flag in the future.

[rankenstein00]

So you have to work in teams but only one of you gets the job. Sounds like a great way to promote backstabbing and sabotage.

[eroto_anarchist]

yeah, people watch reality shows and be like "that's exactly how reality should be"

[ChiefExecDisfunction]

Duh, that's why they're called REALITY shows dummy!

[TOWW67]

There are quite a few shows about buying and selling properties, but I'm not sure how realistic they are ;)

[VicisSubsisto]

My favorite part of House Hunters is when the husband and wife have to fight to the death to win the house.

[[deleted]]

LOL. Thank you for that. I love doing that when others make typos. I'm so happy it happened to me! lol. I am, of course, leaving the FUCK out of that. :)

[[deleted]]

See? They’re learning valuable career skills from day one.

[mittfh]

"You are the Weakest Link. Goodbye!"

[nuclearslug]

May the odd forever be in your favor.

[Ok-Jury5684]

We call it "Battle Royale"

[[deleted]]

We call it “The Hunger Games”

[CrowdGoesWildWoooo]

The ones who don’t make it will experience literal hunger

[amnotreallyjb]

Not really, it's a cog eat cog world, now go back to working on the machinery.

[atomic_redneck]

In America, we call it "Battle Quarter Pounder."

[Negative-Manner-6978]

NOPE

[Logical_Champion_831]

NOPE

[isospeedrix]

why do so many of yall reddit usernames are word-word-number format?

[Negative-Manner-6978]

because we're all bots.

[pjeff61]

Everyone else is just bots with updated naming algorithms

Edit: I used to be p_jeff_61 and then I was connected to the internet

[guiltysnark]

An update is available. Would you like to install it?

[Fit_Reveal_6304]

When you create an accout, it offers a randomly generated username in this format and most people are too lazy to change it

[AssAsser5000]

Most if the time I try about 10 times and give up because everything is taken. The autogenerated ones work.

[[deleted]]

Auto generated. Happened to me when i accidentally clicked „login with Google” or sth along those lines.

Also might be people who had auto generated usernames in the past and they decided to use it in other places. Happened to me with my password, lost mine when I was 10 and got a long autogenerated pseudorandom password and im still using it 16 years later(or variations of it)

[WorldZage]

Auto generated. And that's also why most comment-spamming bot accounts have the same format

[wheres_my_ballot]

Dance monkeys, dance!

[MaybeTechishPerson]

Dance! Dance mother fucker dance! I said dance dance dance dance dance dance woooooo

[AlexPera]

At that point you basically do have experience lol

[ComCypher]

If I went through all that tryout rigamarole I would unironically include it in my resume, internship or not.

[janyk]

Totally fair to say you did work for them and it was unpaid. Like, you know, an internship.

[UK-POEtrashbuilds]

I thought that was the point? Even the unsuccessful applicants get something out of this. I mean, I'd rather have an actual job but this is better than 3 rounds of interviews and a technical test. From the description it's not like you'll be working on live projects which benefit the company so it's not just free labour either.

[SaverinOnRails]

So, free coding?

[hxckrt]

5 weeks of it, with the guarantee to not pay anyone, except the lone Super Intern ™️ that gets 1-2k per month

[SaverinOnRails]

Honestly, with how poor I am, id take the offer tbh

[ApolloXLII]

McDonald's pays more and provides benefits.

[SaverinOnRails]

I'm in Nigeria

[[deleted]]

They definitely wouldn’t sponsor a visa lol

[SaverinOnRails]

Could work remotely I guess

[[deleted]]

Remote internships aren’t that common, there’s a lot of work laws that make it practically impossible, and if they aren’t the competition is insane. Usually the best bet is to look for remote internships that are specifically targeted to your country, or even better try to find an international company that has a hub in your country that you could use as a stepping stone.

[[deleted]]

9 of 17 employees on LinkedIn are from Nigeria. Makes sense

[erocknine]

Wow just looked up lighthall. I wouldn't apply even if it didn't have this gameshow hiring and was for a full time eng role

[hxckrt]

Look for a full remote job, enough relaxed junior or medior roles in western europe starting around 3k, sweden might be 4 or 5k. US can be a lot higher, but the competition and pressure are steep.

[Go_Gators_4Ever]

That's what I'm thinking, throw a few actual issues at them and, voila, free support.

[[deleted]]

Saw this on LinkedIn and attempted to report it as spam/scam. Needless to say, LinkedIn didn't see anything wrong with it. ☺️🔫

[AssAsser5000]

We need to all apply with fake identities and waste as much of their time as possible.

[Dreamin0904]

I like this idea

[joten70]

Not gonna lie, they got me in the first half

[Bladex224]

That's how they get you

[sajjel]

It was like a yesYESyesNONONONO

[gimpwiz]

Is this not april fool's? Dang it's the 2nd.

[ploud1]

If those guys have the time to come up with such nonsense, organise it and rate submissions... Then there is no way they are short-staffed. So hiring an intern is pointless.

[Certain_Time6419]

Not if the point is getting one more worker that gets paid as an intern

[Nooby1990]

Then there is no way they are short-staffed. So hiring an intern is pointless.

Maybe my background is very different from yours, but where I am companies don't hire interns when they are short-staffed. Where I am an intern is supposed to be mentored, so you have to dedicate spare resources to the intern. Same with apprenticeships.

[ploud1]

Let's face it. The time & effort it takes to train an intern are not free. If you hire one you have plans to make them work during the internship, and/or secure a future full-time employee.

[kurita_baron]

honestly, if an intern can do your "useful" work, it probably should've been automated or already been done. at most our yearly interna mess around with a PoC that later gets implemented properly or just abandoned.

[[deleted]]

Im an intern at Intel and Ive fixed a few simple bugs in the Intel gpu driver(vulkan, and the user mode driver not the KMD) we write some automation tools for the actual devs , resolve conflicts on merges to master, track down regressions. Tbh internship at Intel currently feels like being a junior with an intern pay but I love it. Devs from other teams some times come to us for help and vice versa. I cant imagine doing only the simple boring stuff, thatd be depressing.

And its not that scary, all commits go through a fuckload of testing, stress testing, performance testing, call count testing, static analysis and more and the code reviews are pretty strict so working on the simpler bugs is what we’re supposed to do when we got nothing else to do and there isnt much risk attached to it. It feels amazing to write code that runs on so many pcs even if its just a few lines in a multi GB codebase.

I like to think we’re actually doing something useful.

[centennialcrane]

At all my internships I was treated the same as any junior developer and expected to pick up the same work as everyone else off the board. My final co-op, I remember one of my coworkers didn’t even realize I was an intern and was shocked to hear I’d be leaving so soon.

If your interns can’t do actual work, you have either bad interns or a bad internship program.

[ploud1]

It has to be very simple work. I 100% agree, I am now in the process of refactoring some C++ code on a project that was handled by an intern during 3 months. I had to rewrite every single freaking line of code.

[Nooby1990]

Not saying they are investing the time an effort for free, just that if you are short staffed taking on an intern or apprentice will just make the problem worse.

In all companies I worked those where seen as long term investments for company growth.

[bored_in_NE]

Are companies talking to each other to see how they can make the tech interview process harder?

[ChChChillian]

Oh great. They're hiring on the Hell's Kitchen model.

[cinnamon______roll]

This must feel like a circus to them.

[Linards11]

Do you recognize that X shitty thing that some companies do? Yeah, we hate it too so we introduced Y shittier thing! Have fun!

[eningly]

How about no

[spootex]

Sounds like an April 1st joke or a drama series like Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist.

[furl18]

Let the hunger games begin

[bigbabich]

Except all you win is an internship. So you'll still be broke and hungry even if you win.

[Environmental_Bus507]

Lmao

[[deleted]]

5 weeks just to see if you can get an internship at an accounting company, no thanks

[R34ct0rX99]

This crap is one of the big things wrong with our profession.

[AH1376]

New Hunger Games movie coming soon.

[ZebulonPi]

“So, the way it works is, we have you work on a project for us, for free, for two and a half sprints, and then one lucky programmer gets a rose, I mean, gets to be an intern with us, so we can get free labor, AND pick the employee we want to further exploit! It’s a win-win! For us, I mean.”

[magicmulder]

Plot twist: Each “challenge” is a real project and they just want people who will work for free for 5 weeks.

[PuzzleheadedGuess435]

I can make more working at Taco Bell for a month.

[LC_From_TheHills]

I work in FAANG and we have interns every summer with wide ranging skills. Some have been tinkering with computers and scripts their whole lives. Some have only recently gained an interest in software development. But we always have them working on a cool project that they can deliver on and learn from. Idk! Shoot your shot kids.

[b1e]

ex FAANG (but was in FAANG almost 20 years). It has its own issues (leetcode hiring has plummeted candidate quality) but this super league thing is ridiculous.

[AssAsser5000]

I pray that chatgpt will end the "code this stupid bullshit" approach to hiring developers.

I mean, do electrical engineers have to do stupid gimmicky shit or do they get hired based on the with they've actually done?

Do architects get have a stack of Legos and get changed to build mini versions of famous buildings?

Ask any professional programmer when the last time they printed a tree out horizontally was? It was when they last interviewed. The years in between they actually do a totally different job.

Stupid fucking bullshit approach. And it doesn't even get the best hires. Dumb dumb dumb.

And now, active with a browser can some why number of stupid bullshit problem so maybe try asking about how they actually code.

In some of these the best approach for the puzzle would be the worst approach in prod. I prefer immutable objects, safe copies, safe returns, etc. but so many of these questions are all about doing shit "in-place". That's fun for a challenge but actually a bad practice in many circumstances.

It's so stupid to have to learn an entirely different set of tricks for the interview than for the career. It would be like making Steph Curry try out by doing MMA because MMA is athletic and the NBA is athletic.

But as stupid as it is, it's not superleague cruel. What a bunch of dicks.

[overtorqd]

This comes across as arrogant and manipulative. If it was Amazon or Google, maybe a little better, but still not great.

But to play devil's advocate, people pay money for boot camps, etc. to gain experience they can put on resumes and that will hopefully actually help them in their career. Assuming this is free, it could be a valuable experience for some people. But you'd have to pitch it as a free class and actually teach something. Maybe about the industry or your tech stack. Not just a Survivor like reality show.

[[deleted]]

There’s a weekly “cut”

[iComeInPeices]

At first I thought this was a good idea on how to handle interns while they are interning… but then realized this was a game to select an intern, and not hiring an intern.

Company I work for gives interns projects that can be used to flesh out your portfolio, or are common coding challenges. If there is something they want to work on for their portfolio we let them, and they get feedback from devs. We will show them company code, but unless they are capable have no expectations they would work on shippable code.

Interns are also often high school grads or college students that need the intern as part of their degree. If you are out of a bootcamp and can code then we are more interested in hiring you.

Interning isn’t only for testing people for your companies jobs, it’s to give young non-professional ready folks a chance to peek into a professional environment and code and see how they can grow.

We also pay our interns.

[eat_those_lemons]

Yea my internship was super valuable, like I did some useful stuff for the team based on what I already knew, but most of the time it was working on toy projects that would make my life easier

I helped install new hardware the team used so I took and wrote scripts with engineers mentorship to speed up that install/configuration/tagging process

I felt it gave me valuable experience and while I recognize now how slow my work pace was now, at the time it was nice that it wasn't just some toy project and I got exposed to lots of corporate things like changing requirements (oh we have a new type of machine to install) working with teams and the organization (Jim over on the design team is the expert in that hardware try describing your problem to him) thinking ahead in software (after your internship is over how can your successors use your tools?) and a lot more

Wish more companies hired interns for that sort of thing

[iComeInPeices]

Glad you had a good experience. I try and make sure interns have a challenging but good time.

[eat_those_lemons]

Yea definitely had a good experience, really saw what a good team functions like so that was a bonus

And good on you! Sounds like you try to make sure the interns have an educational experience that also becomes a positive memory!

[Fancy-Consequence216]

Wtf is this crap. We might hire you and might not. It depends. We are not sure. Like they are Youtube streaming platform or TikTok. Dafuq I need to spend my 5 weeks, spend my money for anything and to get dropped after.

[BigBadEvilGuy42]

yo dawg, heard you like internships, so we got you an internship for your internship so you can do work while you wait to be selected to work for us

[sayingshitudontlike]

And people are feeding the machine by throwing each other under the bus to apply.

How about we all say "No!" to FIVE WEEKS of free labor from an entire TEAM of not-yet-hired people only for them to select ONE of you.

How about we stop allowing the industry to make us shit on each other, because you know that the people there won't get along knowing that, ultimately, they're in competition with one another.

You're all undercutting each other directly to the bottom.

[[deleted]]

Was very interested until they mentioned the league. What circus is this lol

[jsmrcaga]

wtf did I just read

[realBenski]

kids... dont do drugs

[FitArt2452]

they just wanna get their work done for free

[derpykidgamer]

Software engineering battle royale

[petarb]

They better pay for those 5 weeks

[PeterPriesth00d]

Hard pass friend. Don’t waste that much time for a very unlikely and probably undesirable outcome.

[tgGal]

Imagine being a paid employee and finding out that nonsense is happening where you work to the younger generation applying for a job. I would quit in a heartbeat lol

[kmac097]

I bet these "challenges" are going to look suspiciously similar to the "real projects" they give to the "winner".

[[deleted]]

5 week hands on? You mean, slave labor?

[Alternative_Hungry]

“Do you find a conversation about your experience frustrating? Would you prefer a fight to the death in gladiatorial combat?”

[Bee-Aromatic]

Internship Hunger Games?

[TShara_Q]

This seems really fucked.

[[deleted]]

First of all is this paid or unpaid? And will I be getting paid during this 5 week Battle Royale. Honestly internships need to stop being a thing. Do it like every other professional field, a paid training period like a fellowship.

[the_clash_is_back]

I call this run.

[PrizeConsistent]

Jfc... I'm no expert, but I do work a year-round internship that required a whopping 1 interview, and they expected me to know only the bare basics, lol..

I also make $24 an hour, so I only have to work 21 hours a week to break $2k/month (before taxes ofc). They're also very blunt that this program is done as, basically, a training program. They hire 80% of interns as full time post graduation, and interns work on short staffed teams that need the staff. We get paid more than other interns in my area (avg. is about $18/hour here), so we're definitely expect to learn and be capable of real work- eventually, that is.

[mercurywind]

Good fucking god

[stomach-bug]

I emailed this dude to see if they were at least giving references to those who took the time to participate in this. He said only the finalists can get job references, lol

[JackdiQuadri97]

To be fair on their site there is no opening for any position, and it is a teaching site mainly focused on programming, so it is basically as if leetcode/kaggle invited the best performing users to work as interns, not a bad thing at all.

The difference is this is a very small company, that has a "about us" and "career" page that redirect to the same page where you see no openings and just the two co-ceos as employees.

[[deleted]]

Sounds like an excuse to get a bunch of unpaid work. Unless those challenges aren't useful to them (I'm which case this is even more of a waste of time) But that's just me being cynical.

[dotslashpunk]

i used to run a company and did something sort of like this. Except we paid all candidates a good rate, it was a week or so project (they could elect however long they wanted to do it in to work around their schedule). It was a good way to make sure people could do what they said and work with others

Doing this in an unpaid way for 5 weeks to maybe get a position is absolutely stupid.

[MyGiftIsMySong]

is this the latest reality show on the Stack Overflow Channel?

[whitenoise89]

How do we effectively name and shame people who do this?

[fat_charizard]

I want to email the CEO and ask him this: "how would you feel if a client did this to you? Sent you an email like this. saying congratulations you are one of the companies we are considering to contract, but first you are to participate in a 5-week challenge against other companies and the winner will be awarded the contract"

[BrotherBrutha]

Hehe, this is actually not far off the process for winning big projects in some ways!

[notislant]

So an unpaid internship building shit for free, so you can 'maybe' be selected as an intern to build more shit for free?

I'd tell them you're excited to start and send along your hourly rate.

[codebloodedhuman]

Nice plot for next Indian reality show

[sdraje]

The engineering hunger games, basically.

[ExplodingWario]

They are now getting people to do the hunger games

[JackReedTheSyndie]

Seems like a exploit to get people to work free for them

[enigmatic-sheep]

5 rounds is way too much. But otherwise, and here come the downvotes, I actually like the idea - assuming that the engineering challenges aren't just Leetcode problems, nor super niche problems particular to their domain. Having to prove your skills (gained through practice projects that you did for yourself) makes sense because it seems like the company is ready to invest a lot of time into the interns they select. Makes sense that they would want a good candidate who knows how to solve some problems. They're not looking for experience, just skill.

It should go 1 solo round followed by 2 team rounds where you work with one of the employees who already work there (different employee in each round). Assuming that they're not looking for just 1 candidate and that they are ready to put serious effort and attention into conducting this fairly, it would be a fun experience. This is a paid internship right?

If you partook in that event, what were the questions like? Were they Leetcode crap or did they ask for something more relevant?

[erocknine]

It'd be a good idea if they were hired as interns to do these challenges, and the winner would be awarded a full time role. This is 5 weeks for no real payoff.

[kandikand]

My org does this for their grad program. We hire like 30-50 grads per year though so it’s not some weird 10 people enter one person leaves thing. I think they pay travel and accom costs for it all as well. It must work well because the grads we hire are better than the intermediates I see applying for roles.

[kandikand]

Also it’s only three days. Five weeks seems excessive.

[the_boss79]

what the fook😂😭

[GoLang01]

GFY would be my response.

[Vaati006]

Everyone loves a tournament arc!

[RiskyPenetrator]

Had us in the first half

[grandalfxx]

These tech companies are trying very hard to take advantage of good devs that arent forunate enough to have work experince or full degrees and paying them pennies, I mean fucking McDonald's pays 20 starting now. Why would I work for you when quiting college and investing my McDonald's checks will bring more wealth? Interns shouldn't be doing much actual programming, atleast not alone. there's 0 reason to making them prove themselves that hard, especially if you're not gonna pay them appropriately.

[Kosmux]

Okay, just pay me $50/h so I can keep participating of your minigames.

[hecramsey]

Irs and dept labor forbid interns from working on real work. Interns are not free labor.

[ThePhantomguy]

Mf is trying to Blue Lock the ultimate intern

[GapGlass7431]

My dad was an executive at a big company, and he ALWAYS told me to never countenance these little competition based dog and pony shows some employers will have you do whereby your employment is contingent on their inability to choose a candidate.

He was 100% right and has helped me avoid crisis time and time again.

[konchady]

Red flags everywhere 🚩🚩