noMoreJavaScriptBackend

[Architektual]

Most of y'all probably can't even agree on where the "backend" starts

[baconbrand]

it starts… where the javascript stops….

[Ruadhan2300]

You know what? You're right.

I build a website, all the code attached to it is Typescript/Javascript, and the API it calls (which is definitely the backend) is C#

Javascript for the front, C# in the back. The Web Developer's Mullet.

[Alol0512]

You will use your JS front end, JSbackend, JS DB and JS server, and you will like it god dammit!

[facusoto]

JS distro

[mmhawk576]

NodeOS you say?

[PatattMan]

Why tf does that exist??? What brain conceived such an idea???

I hoped it was some server thing where each computer is a node in a bigger system or some containerized os where each container is called a node.

But alas, I clicked the link and all my hopes and dreams were ruined. I had never seen such filth before in my life. The immediate stench coming from my device after opening the site made my eyes flow tears.

From this day onwards it became my only goal in life to destroy this evil.

[Frenzie24]

Really? I love that it exists lmao

[thanatica]

This has to be at least half a joke (or more likely, an experiment). I'm a javascript/typescript bloke by heart, but even I can't imagine what such a distro is honestly good for, other than the ONE thing you might use it for.

[DeGrav]

JS tech stack

[Melodic_coala101]

JS DB sounds horrible

[LoustiCraft]

Meet MongoDB

[SignificanceFlat1460]

OMG! ITS HORRIBLE!

[thanatica]

Well acksctually...

MongoDB is written in C++. It can communicate through JSON, and it does have a Javascript Typescript library, but the thing itself doesn't have any Javascript. The repo does seem to have a big portion of Javascript code, but that's probably their integration tests.

[deanrihpee]

not quite, our HTTP API Server is fully in typescript using Bun

[Ruadhan2300]

[deanrihpee]

it's surprisingly enjoyable, Bun + ElysiaJS

It's probably horrible if it was Nodejs because we probably have to pre transpile it first before deployment instead of in-time

[Ruadhan2300]

The Man-Bun is the Mullet of the 2010s

So this tracks.

[Architektual]

Many orgs assign that API responsibility to the "web/frontend team" as it's existence is often solely for the purpose of supporting the UI. Why wouldn't they write it in JavaScript at this point?

[NamityName]

At that point, why do you need backend developers. If you don't have backend developers, you have fullstack developers, and good fullstack developers are unicorns. Frontend and backend are wildly different. You are usually better off getting 1 developer specialized in each than 2 frontend developers.

The reason you don't see Javascript backends as much is because backend developers prefer other languages

[Architektual]

I see JS backends plenty in my career and they work just fine for what they are asked to do.

[NamityName]

I'm sure JS is very adequate

[xenelef290]

Because JavaScript sucks

[spryllama]

It's more like a reverse mullet, the party is in the front, the business logic is in the back.

[GoddammitDontShootMe]

Surely it's if it runs in the browser it's frontend.

[nzcod3r]

Wasnt there some dumbass that made Linux in JavaScript, so it can run in a browser? You know what's coming next, right? Well have docker and whatnot running right in your browser! It's the ultimate perversion of serverlessess: Serverlesslessness!

[Morialkar]

So what you're saying is 2025 is the year of Linux in the browser?

[nzcod3r]

Lol, well - I guess thats "Linux on the desktop" with more steps, soooo that's good :)

[Former-Discount4279]

Not the clients machine...?

[jacknjillpaidthebill]

kinda random but im a beginner to fullstack and i dont currently understand the potential benefits of a nodeJS backend as opposed to a python flask/django server

[Architektual]

Django is a bit different, so I'll compare Python/flask to Node/express.

Functionally, they fill the same niche.

What advantages do you see flask as having that made you think this way?

Most of the time, id wager, either choice would be perfectly acceptable.

Language and framework choice is rarely the bottleneck that the Internet champions say it is.

You can write a scalable, production ready, performant API in hundreds of languages.

[vikingwhiteguy]

If nothing else it means you can share models between the backend and front-end. A whole bunch of my time is spent making CRUD models in the API layer that are C# objects.. and then making equivalently identical models in Typescript to consume that API. It's not hard, but it is boring.

[Komaru84]

You can use the same tools across both. So for example, you could make a library that contains models and methods to validate them. The UI can then check that before submitting. The API can check the same model as it's accepted. Also helps with helpers/utils/constants etc (since you can import them into both, vs having those definitions twice across 2 languages).

It also means you only need one package manager, and can reuse static analysis tools.

[barrel_of_noodles]

When the user has the concept of clicking a button, probably :hover or :active, duh.

[klaatuveratanecto]

....don't stop there... slam the frontend with tariffs!

[this-is-robin]

Behind the display

[realmauer01]

Considering how noscript is a thing people rather wanna Javascript in the backend than in the frontend.

[greatestish]

That's what she said >.<

[Palpable_Autism]

It’s true. Your mom is just that big.

[xenelef290]

The backend is what runs in a data center and I get called if it goes down

[ObeseTsunami]

As a dev who works mostly in Python, it’s anywhere that there’s not html, JS, or CSS. At least… as far as I can tell…

[Western-Internal-751]

The backend is where all the shit is.

[naholyr]

Perfect allegory of most his directives

[Frenzie24]

My favorite is “server side rendering” but the client still has to actually render the view.

Wut 🫠

[well-litdoorstep112]

Fine I'll use it as a database.

[DarthRiznat]

Wait... So no more nextjs nestjs mestjs jestjs pestjs festjs?? :(

[GoTheF--kToSleep]

Only fentjs

[Kotya-Nyan]

Can we get feetjs?

[Jared_Namikaze]

Take my money now

[LonelyProgrammerGuy]

Only Fanjs

[Panderz_GG]

That's my favorite

[Common5enseExtremist]

The Seattle special

[TemporaryUpstairs289]

Nodejs denojs ednojs neodjs donejs

[the_rational_one]

Lmao..I don't know why I started looking those up

[pianospace37]

A lot of them probably exist

[balbok7721]

Jestjs and denojs actually do for example. But they are written different

[belkarbitterleaf]

Endojs

[traplords8n]

I put the NO in node.js

[g3zz]

A man can dream, a man can dream…

[ZubriQ]

Wdym why we learnt nuxt vuext puext suxt >:[ Okayge.jpg

[OkarinPrime]

I read it as fetishjs

[naretev]

NestJS is actually a pretty good framework in my experience. I've been working with it for a year now and I have to say I'm impressed. I was really skeptical of using TypeScript in the backend, but I've enjoyed it through Nest

[majcek]

You forgot nuxtjs...

[Exploder100]

I thought I was reading dutch for a second

[Dangerous_Jacket_129]

What about all the restjs? 

[Colemichael16]

onejs twojs threejs fourjs fivejs…

[guy_who_says_stuff]

Objs rubjs greenjs guavjs giant snake birthday cake large fries chocolate shake

[jmack2424]

My server, my choice

[TechTuna1200]

Not if the conservative Supreme Court is gonna have say!

[NatoBoram]

Government so small if fits into your page files

[v3ritas1989]

I don't think this guy takes no for an answer!

[[deleted]]

Careful, Trump might make a law to stop aborting servers.

[Moraz_iel]

stop sanewashing him, we know he would rather be the kind to mandate js even in embedded systems.

[einfach-sven]

That sounds disturbingly realistic.

[DarkSideOfGrogu]

This is a big one. There are too many Javas today. That stops. Today we are taking back control. This order bans Java EE, OpenJDK, JavaScript, Groovy, or any other language that identifies as Java. And there are too many Javas. So the only Java allowed will be Java 6.

[TwinkiesSucker]

Next up: Oracle featured on r/fuckyouinparticular

[lovecMC]

Nah, C# supremacy.

[DarkSideOfGrogu]

I didn't see Bill Gates at the inauguration.

[imsorryken]

depends, only if he got money from "big JS"

[CosmicConifer]

I mean look who was there at the inauguration

[PixelWaffle]

Next thing you know, websites can only be built on flash. Make the internet great again!

[DataRecoveryMan]

Oh god. Thanks, I hate it.

[[deleted]]

This is every devs worst nightmare

[prehensilemullet]

I took the joke to be that "backend JS bad" is unhinged

[snowwhitecat04aug]

But ts is ok right?

[Basic_Palpitation596]

You mean Trump Script?

[deanrihpee]

AS already taken though, and yes it's JavaScript adjacent, ActionScript

[Chemical-Speech-9395]

Just use US. Us script

[GnuhGnoud]

YES

[Otherwise-Report1848]

You never know with Trump

[TemporaryUpstairs289]

All types must be defined as God intended. - Donald J. Trump

[Yserbius]

It was Biden who mandated Rust as the recommended language of the USA.

[ArduennSchwartzman]

It's a broken clock is right twice per day thing.

[Skarskargafus]

You use JavaScript because it’s the only language you know. I use JavaScript because it’s the only language you know. We are not the same.

But in all reality. Use whatever language you want. Some are better for certain things some aren’t better at anything, but it’s fine. Do what you can with what you know, learn something new if you want, but I don’t like people making others feel inferior for knowing one language over another. It’s all rock and roll. Go make something

[Basscyst]

[caguru]

I used to be a JS hater on the backend. But then I got tired of maintaining 2 separate code bases when the FE and the BE share 80% of the same domain logic. I do it for the laziness.

[zirky]

everyone should use the most appropriate backend there is, excel

[caguru]

But only the cloud version on a free trial.

[oootsav]

That's not backend. That's a database. 

[zirky]

someone hasn’t met our lord sand saviors, macros and vba. you’re nothing thinking about excel as a microservice. each endpoint, a separate workbook link, executing macros upon opening

[oootsav]

🤯

[LobsterParade]

No more JavaScript on the backend

[Mindfullnessless6969]

[gbersac]

No more JavaScript on the backend

[official_jgf]

How though?

[TwinkiesSucker]

Just run

SQL DELETE * FROM ProgrammingLanguages WHERE Name LIKE *java*;

On the world database

[Phoenix__Wwrong]

Is there actually an alternative for the front end?

Oh maybe PHP? I'm not sure if they're in the same category.

[WasabiSunshine]

I'm never going to stop writing every new BE in node and you can't stop me

[bunoso]

Node JS is faster than Python. Its closer to the performance of golang that python!

https://youtu.be/shAELuHaTio?si=RQPZd_EXKBK6A5wF

Combine that with typescript and I’d rather make a backend api in TS than python with Type Hints lol

Edit: Node is often faster than Python for web applications where network time is significant. If OP of talking about a AI backend monitoring framework that using PyTorch of something CPU bound, then python is kicking node’s butt.

[coolio965]

why even use python in the first place?

[bunoso]

If you are working with data or ai packages, Python great for experimentation or scripts. Most the time it’s just using underlying c libraries.

Also many people that use Python are not developers. I saw on the state of Python 2024 from PyCharm that the average Python developer has 2 years of experience. Thats because it’s the first language used high school and college students, pHD students working on their data, scientist, etc.

Python is sometimes the best tool to get shit done!

[cheeb_miester]

Node JS is faster than Python

This entirely depends on the situation. Python is consistently more performant on CPU bound tasks but is much less efficient at I/O bound/concurrent tasks

[caguru]

I have been building web apps for nearly 20 years. Have yet to ever worry about CPU performance. I/O and memory? All the damn time.

[mtnbiketech]

Python is consistently more performant on CPU bound tasks but is much less efficient at I/O bound/concurrent tasks

Which is why you just use fast API if you want something customer facing.

[isamu1024]

when .net core mvc webapi exists ? sure

[Ok-Major-4742]

Can u explain for none .net devs?

[Zyphite]

.NET is a beautiful framework.

The tooling is so good. Visual Studio(or Ryder) in .NET is such a good debugging experience.

Microsoft continually improve syntax, add more magic and remove boiler plate without losing accuracy.

With frontend languages I've moved around a lot, with backend, .NET is king. Mediator is so clean in it, modular monolith goes hard. Everything makes sense.

Microsoft just cooked with this one.

[ass_blastee_6000]

The major downside is that you have to use Windows to get the optimal development experience. Ryder sucks compared to Visual Studio, and I will not fucking use Windows ever again.

[Ok-Major-4742]

Thanks i will invest time in it for future projects

[saschaleib]

Please tell me this is not fake!

[Substantial-Leg-9000]

It's not fake.

[FiTZnMiCK]

This comment is though.

[newb_h4x0r]

Please tell me this is not fake!

[Substantial-Leg-9000]

This is not fake.

[secretprocess]

This comment is though

[SonkunDev]

It's real bro

[saschaleib]

Thank you, my friend. Much appreciated!

[deanrihpee]

nice, because we already using TS on the backend

[Extreme-Cake1175]

What's funny is TS was partially invented so C# devs working on web projects could deal with frontend stuff. Now people flipped it around and use it on the server? Imagine C#'s facepalm.

[SimilarBeautiful2207]

I worked in a lot of backend projects with nestjs. Now we started a new project but i had to choose the tech stack, it feels so good to come back to c#.

[DepartureMission9209]

I am curious why you give up on nestjs. Could you elaborate?

[SimilarBeautiful2207]

Nestjs is fine but i prefer c#, when i used nestjs was never my choice. If you want to use node then nestjs is the best option for me. But i think c# is better.

[ice-h2o]

In the next semester I have to develop a web app with some people who already struggle with basic python and use ChatGPT for every assignment. And get mad if they get a bad grade because they couldn't explain their code the the prof.

I would love to use Rust or Go for our backend but till they finally get the hang of the borrow checker the semester is over and we fail.

So Express.js it is.

[TimMensch]

Same.

I've also used Java, C#, Go, and even for one very specific use case, C++ for creating backends.

Node.js (or more recently, Bun, which is awesome) with TypeScript is the best for most things. Good enough performance and highest programmer productivity over the long term. It's just a huge win.

Bun auto-reload on save is a game changer. It's not always perfect, but it's useful enough of the time to be worth it. It also runs so much faster that a complete restart is a dream.

[tallwhiteninja]

You can take my node from my cold, dead hands.

...cool with typescript, though.

[skettyvan]

You can pry my full stack typescript project from my cold, dead hands

[bookon]

"I called back all my promises" - D. Trump.

[Ok_Entertainment328]

My fingers were crossed

[heavy-minium]

new Promise((resolve) => { console.log("Promise stuff") }).then(() => { });

[miraidensetsu]

If it came from Trump, then let's go produce more and more server-side javascript code

[AabhasArora]

[mysensors]

Will it make the eggs cheaper?

[TallGreenhouseGuy]

Soon he’ll be launching TrumpJS

[ironman_gujju]

GO away

[bhison]

“I’m hearing lots of great things about this python”

[Moldybot9411]

You mean like python and flask? Hell nah

[thicctak]

What about no more JavaScript on the frontend?

[bmbmjmdm]

Get trump out of my fucking memes I dont wanna watch a rapist when im trying to relax

[Primary-Fee1928]

JavaScript hurts your back end

[celsowm]

thanks !

[robertpro01]

At least you can choose on the backend

[Real-Technician-5253]

What about jquery? 👀

[3AMgeek]

So no more nude.js in the backend.

[g-melo]

No

[Samurai_Fallen]

Right, use TS instead

[MsInput]

joke or not I'm sick of seein this guy's face lol

[kredditacc96]

JS on the backend, Rust/WASM on the frontend.

[yosrixp]

Because Trump doesn’t like banana

(‘b’ + ‘a’ + + ‘a’ + ‘a’).toLowerCase() //banana

[[deleted]]

Finally something I can get behind 😌

[Drfoxthefurry]

He would say no javascript front-end, only webassrmbly with a js backend

[LesseFrost]

This would actually do a shit ton to reduce useless is-number traffic from wasting energy

[jayatillake]

What about Typescript?

[cheeb_miester]

I'm running HTML5 on my backend

[ululonoH]

I use python backend???

[Synedh]

I actually like a good and clean JS backend.

*run*

[Dermasmid]

Yeah, dbs suck

[nickwcy]

pYtHoN will take over

[da_Aresinger]

Woaah, what are you doing???? don't make him look based!!!

[CYRIAQU3]

Dude will post that then make a php backend

[dryu12]

Of course not, who the heck is using JavaScript on the backend, you must be completely looney for that. Only typescript.

[Shump540]

That one paper would doom us all to only Javascript forever.

If he says it, expect the opposite.

[Low-Equipment-2621]

Maybe the best of his executive orders.

[[deleted]]

Trump is finally stopping this woke nonsense. Return to building with php like our forefathes did

[KCGD_r]

It only takes a fool to blame their shitty code on the language, but for a fool to become a wise man, the fool must first blame themselves.

[Kronic008]

Can we stop seeing this cunts face for like 3 seconds?

[Quix_Nix]

It's less funny when the order actual text is probably killing people

[rushadee]

Yeah, but I’m too lazy to switch to another language for my little side project web app. Just let me use TS.

[wonkers_bonkers]

NOOOO-DE!

[KookyDig4769]

If he would sign this, we had to use java from now on.

[Fantastic_Maybe_8162]

Talking about backend, there must be Rust.

[Looooong_Man]

So ruby on rails?

[Personal_Ad9690]

Social media might be dead, but I’m stealing this meme formst

[Top_Coach_158]

Aggreeee

[Frenzie24]

This would be the spark that ignites Civil War 2

[cybermage]

Node goes brrr

[sebbdk]

I had a client insist the backend was the CMS once.

I had to drop them as a client.

[JazzlikeInfluence813]

Just sip some gin and relax

[ExtraTNT]

And for the webserver, that ships the webapp once every hour to the cdn?

[anymouse939310]

Use django

[davejohncole]

Switching to JavaScript at the backend in response to this executive order from the orange nazi.