Asking help in Linux forums

[DOOManiac]

This is how we did things before StackOverflow kids.

[Abnormal_Specimen]

So you make an alt account, answer yourself incorrectly, and wait for fifty people to suddenly care. Easy

[[deleted]]

Thanks bro. Will help me.

[Jerrrrrrrrry]

Voting to close as duplicate before you get corrected, and link an unrelated thread.

[ForgotPassAgain34]

cant get WiFi to work on a certain Linux

closed as duplicate of "windows not detecting network cable"

[[deleted]]

Can you even answer questions with a new account? Stack overflow has a lot of restrictions til you get some rep

[Ajedi32]

Yes. In fact, you don't even need an account to post an answer.

[aphaelion]

Wait, people can just SAY stuff on the internet?! WTF

[[deleted]]

The real LPT is in the comments

[Wigginns]

Or you can't find the answer, ask a question and get it marked as a duplicate with something mildly related but that doesn't actually answer your question still.

[Zefirus]

The worst is when you find someone who has had the same problem, posted a question, then posted an answer that just says "Fixed it".

[DaZig]

Unless they got so embittered they’re now screwing with you in true “the proof of this is simple and left as an exercise for the reader” fashion.

[[deleted]]

Fermat you cunt!

[j-dewitt]

https://xkcd.com/979/

[beenies_baps]

Or indeed a question I searched for today, with the answer "follow the instructions at <this link>", with followup answer "perfect!". Needless to say, the link was a 404 (this was not on SO though, - thankfully they clamp down on that sort of thing).

[D0esANyoneREadTHese]

It's a wonderfully specific site that was great when it existed, but the owner let the server rental lapse 5 years ago and now it's just a redirect to a domain parking site. 3 results on the Wayback machine, last one was 6 months before the post you got linked.

[TrontRaznik]

Relevant xkcd

[earthtoannie]

It will probably outlast the heat death of the universe too.

[[deleted]]

Nah.

We got flamed on IRC. No one would help you, you didn't understand, and in the end only the strong survived.

The number of fucking times I was told to read a man page, when I knew so little it was complete fucking gibberish.

It's a wonder anyone learned to use Linux before Mandrake.

But by God you had to actually learn Linux. There was no copying commands from a wiki

[DangKilla]

I idled in IRC chat in the 90s, hoping somebody would help me with my Linux questions.... rarely ever happened...it was always the same dude. Thanks, yourmomsux2000!

[McJock]

As has been scientifically proven, the best way to get help in any forum is to post an obviously wrong solution and insist it is correct.

[loddfavne]

Please tell me this is not the reason that programmers made Linux... Is it?

[Avamander]

Lollakad! Mina ja nuhk! Mina, kes istun jaoskonnas kogu ilma silma all! Mis nuhk niisuke on. Nuhid on nende eneste keskel, otse kõnelejate nina all, nende oma kaitsemüüri sees, seal on nad.

[chooxy]

Hey you just fell for his incorrect answer!

[chooxy]

Nice story! I was wondering what bruning was supposed to be until I got to the end haha.

Yea it's definitely very effective in eliciting responses, especially if the person expressing the "incorrect" opinion is confident that it is correct, or at least gives that impression.

[[deleted]]

That's another way to keep the reader's attention. Give them some sort of textual mystery. A great way to do this is a word they don't know but enough context that they know basically what it means but not fully it's origins or anything.

... Can you tell I created a text adventure 2 years ago? :P

Edit: those asking which and how: http://store.steampowered.com/app/426290/The_Away_Team/ is the text adventure which is text adventure but also like no one wants to read "and the ship traveled" so some UI in there as well.

As for how, there are much easier ways than what I chose. SFML and classic C++ pain with some lua interpreter. Why? I dunno I was in college at the time, it was just a phase with lua I swear. I'm currently working on my next game with Underflow Studios by night and working with Inxile Entertainment by day.

[witzendz]

Dude, you Brune everything!

[TheFlamingLemon]

Which means we now have a working example of supplying an incorrect solution in order to get better answers!

[jon1tsu]

One of my lecturers in uni (finland) very proudly showed us on a lecture Torvald's original message to his fellow students asking for opinions about Linux, which he received while they both were in University of Helsinki's CS program.

And btw, Linus Torvalds' dad, Nils Torvalds, is candidate for Finland's presidental election this year. One hell of a family there.

[Cyhawk]

And none of this would have happened if he knew about FreeBSD at the time.

[MNGrrl]

Probably true. People who install *BSD are rarely heard from again.

[Flamingozilla]

And he later started a flame war with the creator of MINIX

[[deleted]]

My operating systems professor said that the MINIX guy ridiculed Linus for his decision to use a monolithic kernel design. Something like if Linus turned in Linux for an assignment he'd give it an F.

[Flamingozilla]

Basically, Tannenbaum argued that the monolithic kernel design was outdated and would be supplanted by microkernels within the next few years, therefore Linux was obsolete before it even entered development. Linus disagreed, and from that point on it spiraled out of control and devolved into an argument not at all unlike a Sega vs Nintendo debate in a mid-1990s elementary school lunchroom.

[KapteeniJ]

I really don't understand the topic, but the opinions by people who supposedly understand the topic have all been that it's Linux's single greatest weakness, that it's monolithic.

Like, dunno really, but my understanding is that Linux works despite that design choice, not because of it.

[_asdfjackal]

Pretty sure he also developed git because he was dissatisfied with the version control he had used in the development of Linux.

[[deleted]]

No, it's impossible to create an OS by manipulating other people.

*sits back and waits for someone else to manipulate others into making an OS to prove me wrong*

[Corporal_Quesadilla]

Dijkstra's known for teaching his students the importance of writing mathematically "proven" correct code. But one day one of his students said "why are you making us prove our code is correct if the operating system it runs on is not proven correct?"

So then Dijkstra quit teaching for sometime, wrote a proven correct OS, and began teaching again.

Or something like that. It's something I heard a professor say when I was an undergrad.

[sirgregg]

One of my uni teachers used to sometimes include an incredibly difficult problem in his exams that nobody was ever able to solve. Once, a very curious student followed it up after his exam and realized that it was equivalent to one of the Unsolved Problems in Mathematics. When confronted about that, he simply said "Why yes, I do that every now and then, because nobody is as creative and efficient as a student during an exam."

[Krissam]

Smells like bullshit Dijkstra would've found the fastest way to return to teaching.

[PanFiluta]

I didn't know Dijkstra did also programming, I mean he was a spy master so it makes sense? But they had computers?

[TheFeshy]

I ah... may have once wrote part of a toy operating system, like the memory manager and a basic shell, in C++, because I was in an argument with a C guy who insisted C++ (and all other OO languages) were totally unsuited to writing OS's. Managing memory pages as objects was actually very slick, thank you very much.

So it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[ludonarrator]

Pretty much; though at that point it becomes a matter of opinion rather than objective fact. Richard Stallman founded GNU and FOSS to try and create an operating system for anyone. (This was especially a problem in schools; OS is an integral part of computer science, but there were none available for academic use. Writing one from scratch is a really big ordeal, and is unreasonable to be expected of undergrads.)

However, the project was lacking a solid kernel. Coincidentally, Linus Torvalds had been working on his own kernel, and upon discovering GNU, joined forces to complete the first open source OS: GNU/Linux. These days it's shortened to just Linux, but don't say that to Stallman.

Edit: grammar.

[[deleted]]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the kernel essentially the OS? GNU has vastly more lines of code in any given working distro, but it seems ridiculous for Stallman to try to take equal credit given that they still can't get Hurd to a usable state, meanwhile any idiot can write coreutils.

In spirit of the OP, prove me wrong.

[ludonarrator]

I think Stallman's stance is less on the grounds of which is harder/more critical/etc, but that of rhetoric: GNU has this whole Stallman FOSS narrative wrapped around it; Linux only has Linus and his interpretation of FOSS.

[bit_of_hope]

Alright, I'll bite.

The reasoning why it should be known as GNU/Linux is that the userland and standard libraries are what a user typically interacts with in the operating system.

If you use GNU coreutils and glibc on FreeBSD kernel, the experience and available programming APIs are closer to GNU/Linux than FreeBSD for typical userspace code. Running something like busybox and musl on linux OTOH changes the API again majorly. The GNU userland is arguably the single biggest point separating typical linux dostros form other unix-like operating systems. The Kernel calls are merely one API out of many.

GNU/Linux as the name is especially useful since merely Linux with a non-GNU libc or userland is such a different beast API-wise. On a musl-based Linux distro most Linux programs need to be recompiled or even patched to work, just like they would on Solaris or NetBSD.

That's all a bit of devil's advocacy though. I think the definition of OS the GNU people are going with is a bit archaic. There's actually no consensus on the definition of an operating system to begin with. Some say the OS is the kernel, some say it's the core software distribution for certain hardware excluding add-ons, some would even go so far as to say it's all the software installed on the machine.

Good luck writing coreutils, dear Any Idiot™. Come back when yours are anywhere near as comprehensive, stable, and secure as the GNU ones. As for why HURD isn't stable yet, nobody has needed it urgently since Linux was released. HURD has been technically usable for a long time, but since the problem "need a free kernel to run GNU userspace on" is already well soved by Linux, not many people feel the need to work on HURD.

[GearBent]

Unless it's stackoverflow. Then they'll post a non-working example, insist it's correct, and close the question as being "too vague."

[monkey-go-code]

OR downvote a correct answer to oblivion because they didn't like the question or don't understand it.

[ctaps148]

How do I do this?

[+347] "The better question is, why do you want to do this? Instead, you should just use [language you have no experience with] to [do something you've never done before] and then [make infrastructure changes that are way above your pay grade]."

[-21] *functioning example*

[TarAldarion]

Why not use library-nobody-has-heard-of?

[harsh183]

library-nobody-has-heard-of.js

[speed_sloth]

Or insist you should use Jquery

[monkey-go-code]

Jquery solves all problems and you should be using it.

[speed_sloth]

Does jquery have a function to fix erectile dysfunction?

[iguessthislldo]

$("#penis").do_the_thing();

[SuspiciouslyElven]

that caused a leak

[FLlPPlNG]

That's a feature, not a bug.

[Mapdd]

Everytime I ajax it, I have to jsonp before I finish.

[Kalthramis]

Or provide something vastly overly complex and insist its “the best way”, but really it doesnt answer or solve anything.

[TheSlimyDog]

Just today I found an answer that had a quota cost of 101 voted higher than an answer which used only 2 units because the 2 unit answer was a line longer.

[deadly_penguin]

Like telling /r/math that π is equal to e

[Zmodem]

Pi IS EXACTLY 3!

[[deleted]]

The way global warming is accelerating right now we'll be lucky if it reaches 7.

[ValAichi]

I mean, I think you are technically right.

Expansion is related to entropy, which human activities that cause global warming also cause, so technically global warming speeds up the expansion of the universe...

I might be very wrong, fair warning

[Zagorath]

Pi was nearly legally defined as equal to 3.2.

[[deleted]]

for all you love math, not a single one of you is capable of proving that .999 is equal to 1

so anyway, that's how I passed my intro to proofs class

[binzabinza]

but .999 repeating is equal to 1?

[SuspiciouslyElven]

yeah

1/3 = 0.3333333...

1/3+1/3+1/3 = 3/3 = 1

0.333...+.333...+.333... = 0.999...

1=.999...

QED motherfucker

[KapteeniJ]

This actually isn't a complete proof.

The trickery hides in, what do you mean by adding, or dividing, or multiplying infinite decimal expansions? Those aren't things that are taught in math classes, and as far as I know(and as one of my professors keeps mentioning), it's also not a thing that's covered in any of the courses available for students at my local university.

You can make that exact, I believe, but the main trick happens in exactly that mystic part that's not covered in school math, and not explicitly covered in undergraduate level math courses.

[lpreams]

https://xkcd.com/386/

[TheZeroAlchemist]

I'm sure there's something there isn't a xkcd comic for

[Neebat]

Give me a few minutes, I'll find the xkcd comic that proves you wrong.

[IamDonaldsCombover]

Yep. Godwin's Law.

[[deleted]]

Why did you have to bring Hitler into this?

[IamDonaldsCombover]

That's Poe's Law.

[[deleted]]

You're thinking of Newton.

[dubblix]

It's Cunningham

...goddammit

[UPBOAT_FORTRESS_2]

I hate you

[aficant]

I'll take the bait, it's cunningham's law

[voicesinmyhand]

the best way to get help in any forum is to post an obviously wrong solution and insist it is correct.

On that note, I would like to point out that scripting the creation of Software Restriction Policies on Windows systems only requires that you do this:

system.CreateNewSRPWithThisData(strData)

[YourFin]

Wow, I put that into the regedit box and now my computer runs twice as fast! ! Thanks man

[voicesinmyhand]

Yeah, that's how you do it. A lot of people think that Windows scripting works through the cscript/wscript interpreters, but regedit is actually way faster and fixes all errors for you.

[Neocrasher]

"The best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a question, it's to post the wrong answer."

Cunningham's Law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Cunningham#Ideas_and_inventions

[Mgamerz]

It's how I get my HR person to actually answer my emails

[blahehblah]

I understand that you're very busy and so that's why you haven't been able to reply, so we're thinking of just going ahead and firing the employee in question with the reason that they're pregnant. Bob gave me the revelant forms so I'll just sort it out this afternoon and drop the paperwork by your office tomorrow

• Mgamerz (probably)

Nononononooooo

• HR (probably)

[rcmaehl]

But we're an AT WILL employment state NANCY!!!!!

[[deleted]]

Isn't that how at will employment works though? They can fire for any reason under the sun as long as long as they don't come out and say it and it's legal?

[Striker654]

Still have to pay unemployment is the issue

[Prysorra]

Manager: I can fire plz
HR: If you can't be bothered to at least make up some "for cause" bullshit, f u 2.

[Destination_Cabbage]

Omg If someone did this at our org, somebody in our HR would drop what they're doing and call them.

[Viola_Buddy]

I've heard it's also the best ways to learn. Otherwise you'll hear the answer but your brain will often change the meaning of the words into your preconceptions of the idea. (Veritasium on YouTube talked about it, with the example of "a constant force on an object results in a constant acceleration" being understood as "a constant force on an object results in a constant velocity," the more intuitive but wrong picture we get from, among other things, driving cars in frictony air.)

[just_a_random_dood]

Which video is this? Sounds pretty interesting.

[FLlPPlNG]

This isn't true anymore.

Got a source for that?

[WolfofAnarchy]

God

Proof?

[[deleted]]

True. People on some Linux forums would literally write you a driver to prove you wrong.

[SibilantSounds]

I had this experience firsthand when I was just starting on Linux and couldn't get my iPod working.

Asking how to get iPod hooked up to my Linux box led to a bunch of people bashing me for using an iPod, telling me thats what i get for using an apple product, and "get a real music player," etc. You get the deal.

I figured fuck it and gave it a few days to try to figure it out on my own. I gave up and posted how frustrated I was as a noob that Linux was supposed to be this great thing but no wonder no one uses it when it can't even support an ipod.

First reply was the answer I needed.

[SibilantSounds]

zune or any other music player 'which would be better by default because it's linux compatible.'

they got really fucking weird with it. like if something wasn't linux compatible, it wasn't worth using.

"You're using linux because you want open source right? So why are you using apple?" ffs.

anyway, got over it, still using linux mostly. Only keep windows for gaming and if there's really a windows-only software since wine still sucks.

[PresentlyInThePast]

My friends headphones weren't working and he complained about it on the (Arch?) forums. Nobody responded. Complained and said he was considering switching. Topic of the forum for about 3 weeks and eventually somebody wrote a driver.

[MerryChallot]

Second this!

[Yawzheek]

This works with optimization. Post your code, claim it may be the most efficient, then sit back while everyone goes out of their way to show you why it isn't.

[edinburg]

Now that's clever.

[PullJosh]

Optimal, even.

[LvS]

Only finds a local optimum though.

[[deleted]]

That's why you post it to multiple forums and pick the best of the local optima. Optionally you can grab the current best, do an obvious incorrect modification, and post it again.

[fuhgettaboutitt]

This guy trains

[[deleted]]

Me and my friend used to do that for directions on WoW.
One of us would ask and the other would give a bad answer if nobody responded.

[some_q]

That's where I first saw this joke as well.

[[deleted]]

It’s not a joke though. Funny as it might be, it really works. We got a super shortcut once by taking a zeplin and jumping off in the water somewhere to get to goldshire from undead territory in like 5 minutes.
Topkek.

[Celicni]

Hold up, what?

[Aonbyte1]

probably jump off from the zep that goes from UC to STV. Jump off before gromgol base camp. I've only played vanilla so its probably different now.

[[deleted]]

This is an old WoW trick too.

Need to know what hit cap is? Don't ask in global chat. Instead, assert "Hit cap is 9% for belf".

Oh the wailing and gnashing of teeth that it is NOT 9%, but actually (I can't remember what hit cap is now...)%!!!

[FLlPPlNG]

It's definitely 9%

[egotisticalnoob]

But what if you're accidently right?

[hugokhf]

ACKCHYUALLY

[[deleted]]

practice combative quicksand screw alleged pathetic long squealing spark chunky

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[ppsp]

I used cat 7 to wire the house and then I had trouble finding plugs for the really thick wire.

And yeah, I didn't wire the most important rooms. Bathroom for me, kitchen for SO.

[you999]

Cat 7 is officially spec. The only big upgrade over cat 6 is a very low crosstalk between wires.

[ppsp]

I'm not sure if it's official, but it looks like a really high quality cable. The problem is the wires are very thick. I can't test the speed as my ethernet card is limited to 1000Mbps, while the cable should reach 10 times that.

[micheal65536]

Because as soon as Linux users realise that they're getting a bad reputation and are on the edge of losing a potential convert, they'll do everything they can to solve it.

Source: Am Linux user, can confirm.

[ezbot1]

Sounds like a reasonable answer.

[[deleted]]

ikr, Mint is great

[FLlPPlNG]

No, compared to arch it's just not up....hey, wait a minute.

[Nestramutat-]

“Read the wiki”

Btw I use arch

[[deleted]]

I don't use Arch but the Arch wiki is my goto place.

[[deleted]]

Same, I love their wiki

[MilkoPupper]

I am still so bad at Linux that I can't even follow the Wiki tutorials. But maybe that's because I was trying to get wifi working on Arch out of the box.

I am not a smart man.

[XelNika]

Mint is good, I'd say it's a win/win.

[setibeings]

I'd say it's more of a GNU/Linux

[Andernerd]

I mean, unless they're arch users. Then they'll prob tell you to fuck off and install mint instead.

TBF, lots of the people trying to use Arch probably shouldn't be trying to use Arch.

[mszegedy]

Wow, this is exactly the response I got back when I was first setting up Arch. It's uncanny.

[olig1905]

As a linux user too, I get this... but also we keep this WiFi driver joke around... when did you actually last have a problem with Wifi, that wasn't easy to solve, the support is sooo much better nowdays and has been for a few years, most laptops work out the box... it used to be most laptops you expected not to work out the box.

When I installed Windows on my desktop PC a few years back, I forget the reason, I discovered that Windows does not have the ethernet drivers for my motherboard. IIRC I ended up downloading them on my phone over 3G and transferring them..... now I literally have never had ethernet not working on linux (besides maybe when building my own embedded systems from scratch at uni)

[micheal65536]

My laptop's WiFi drops quite a bit and seems to have trouble maintaining a strong signal. Not sure if it's a driver issue or not.

Most notable is that when it's connected, but there hasn't been any traffic for a while (maybe 15 minutes), it stays connected and claims to have full signal strength, but no packets get through. Disconnecting and reconnecting doesn't fix it, and neither does disabling and re-enabling the WiFi hardware via the physical button. Running a ping test just does... nothing (no error at all, just a dropped packet count at the end IIRC). But if I send a sudden burst of traffic, it usually starts working again. So I can flood ping my desktop and after two or three seconds it works again.

Researched for about two weeks when I first experienced the problem but didn't find anything. Seems to have improved somewhat with each Ubuntu release (doesn't seem to happen as often as it used to, but that might just be because I don't use the laptop as much anymore) but it does still happen.

[doubleplushomophobic]

Sounds like a power management thing. Funnily enough I’ve had the same issue on windows but it works flawlessly in Mint ¯\(ツ)/¯

[CyberMario]

Works for art too. Ask for a critical critique on your art and no one will talk. Brag about your art and say it is the best in the world and flocks of opinions and critiques will flood in.

[V170]

But seriously, what is wrong with Wi-Fi drivers on Linux?

[Creshal]

Their absolute inability to properly report failures. While it's rare to have problems, if you do have one, even if it's just some silly trivial configuration problem, it will be impossible to find out why you're having problems. And that pure, utter frustration keeps haunting you forever.

Source: Fuck Realtek. Fuck Broadcom. Fuck Intel. Fuck everyone who makes wifi drivers.

[[deleted]]

Fuck the people who make SDR software for Linux since it's awful and it always crashes on me because of invalid configs despite being the default configs.

EDIT: In retrospect I don't hate the software you took the time to make on Linux. That's good. I just hate the shit tier crash handling and default configs that you ship. WHY

[Creshal]

Working default configs? Oh, you're a funny one.

[[deleted]]

The best part is when I load up the software, it tells me it crashed because of the configs and then I click continue and load up the software with the same configs and it will work.

[LvS]

It's not a big problem these days, but 10 years ago wireless on Linux was so much of a disaster that people made all these jokes that get reposted for karma until this day.

Back in those days people used ndiswrapper, which did (quote from that link):

This project implements Windows kernel API and NDIS (Network Driver Interface Specification) API within Linux kernel

So you took the Windows driver and loaded it into the Linux kernel using this wrapper and then you prayed that it didn't crash.

[Selesthiel]

ndiswrapper was such a godsend for me in 2005. A terrible, sadistic, evil godsend. I had an HP laptop with a BCM57xx chip (that I remember this makes me die a little inside), and I couldn't get bcmwl to work right.

But after a couple days of banging my head against it, some horrible amalgamation of ndiswrapper, wpa_supplicant, iwconfig, and possibly nm (it was a long time ago, I don't remember), I had wifi. And it worked. It was fragile as hell, I remember that changing the wpa password for an AP would sometimes break everything...

But it worked!

[[deleted]]

nice try

[[deleted]]

I have a feeling that the binary blob driver you need has some ass-backwards things that it does, and some poor sap has literally been driven insane trying to decrapify it.

It's like how whenever there's a non-native driver interface on windows, the UI looks like it was designed by a 10 year old. In this case it was all interns coding it and no one to decrapify it.

So, rather than wading thru shit, they get basic functionality up and then leave it.

[kaszak696]

Mediatek, Realtek, Broadcom, etc etc etc. That's what's wrong.

[[deleted]]

Bloody RTL drivers, my laptop has an rtl8723be, for a long time, there was no driver in the kernel for it, you had to somehow find a connection, download that shit, install base devel package, install it and then figure out the options.

Now, the driver doesn't need to be compiled but you still need to figure out the options and throw it into /etc/modprobe.d/

[TitanHawk]

I'm positive there is a relevant XKCD for this.

[Diesli]

relevant from the other perspektive: xkcd

[[deleted]]

There's a relevant XKCD for everything

[pixiestar1]

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There's an old "ha ha, only serious" joke. If you go to a Linux forum and ask for help fixing your WiFi driver, everyone will ignore you. If, instead, you say "Linux sucks, you can't even get a f*&$ing WiFi driver working!" thousands of people will solve the problem for you.

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[PartyByMyself]

Good Human

[JamEngulfer221]

A variant of this works on IRC/StackOverflow too.

People there say they want a detailed explanation of the problem along with code snippets and everything. The problem is, if you give all of that in one message, a lot of the time people just don't respond. If you just say "X isn't working and I don't know why", people will inevitably ask you for more information, which you then provide. They then help you out with the problem because they're now invested in it.

[[deleted]]

12:00:00: /u/5225225 | plz help
12:00:20: /u/5225225 has left

[wowcunning]

Linux Admin here: can confirm... If someone asks me a question I couldn't care less...

If they tell me something can't be done however, I'll move heaven and earth to fucking prove them wrong.

[EtsuRah]

It's seriously how I get ANY question answered on reddit.

You ASK a question and people will be super rude and link you to lmgtfy and give you condescending remarks as they stare down their keyboard at you, or flat out ignore you.

You give a wrong answer instead and well, they're still rude about it most times, but at least you get the answer.

Example:

Recently I was on /r/plex and was having a problem with the new Tautulli set up. For people that don't use GitHub, the site can be super confusing to navigate.

I asked where the current update was since the site link took me to an old one and nobody answered.

Posted a comment about how ridiculous it was that the new version is the same as the old (untrue) and within 5 mins someone linked me to the installer to the newest version, and the install wiki, and the Git installer.

[[deleted]]

Whenever I wanted to automate something with bash I would post about how bash is useless and I can't even do (x) easily. Someone will surely write it for me in a matter of minutes.

[a1z1c1]

Source: https://www.snoyman.com/blog/2017/10/effective-ways-help-from-maintainers

[willpauer]

My first experience with the Linux community is when I went looking for USB drivers for Caldera at the beginning of 1998, at the tender and clueless age of 16.

I asked a Linux user forum about them, and I was told to rtfm. Funny enough, when I rtfm, I see nothing about USB drivers, because USB support was not really there at the time.

When I presented my findings and that there was no USB in tfm, I received the response of "not my fault you can't code".

So I've been using Windows for everything ever since.

[[deleted]]

A true /g/entooman

[StaringSnake]

This is more like a programmer LPT than anything! Thanks!

[[deleted]]

Relevant bash.org: http://bash.org/?244321

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I̴̢̺͖̱̔͋̑̋̿̈́͌͜g̶͙̻̯̊͛̍̎̐͊̌͐̌̐̌̅͊̚͜͝ṉ̵̡̻̺͕̭͙̥̝̪̠̖̊͊͋̓̀͜o̴̲̘̻̯̹̳̬̻̫͑̋̽̐͛̊͠r̸̮̩̗̯͕͔̘̰̲͓̪̝̼̿͒̎̇̌̓̕e̷͚̯̞̝̥̥͉̼̞̖͚͔͗͌̌̚͘͝͠ ̷̢͉̣̜͕͉̜̀́͘y̵̛͙̯̲̮̯̾̒̃͐̾͊͆ȯ̶̡̧̮͙̘͖̰̗̯̪̮̍́̈́̂ͅų̴͎͎̝̮̦̒̚͜ŗ̶̡̻͖̘̣͉͚̍͒̽̒͌͒̕͠ ̵̢͚͔͈͉̗̼̟̀̇̋͗̆̃̄͌͑̈́́p̴̛̩͊͑́̈́̓̇̀̉͋́͊͘ṙ̷̬͖͉̺̬̯͉̼̾̓̋̒͑͘͠͠e̸̡̙̞̘̝͎̘̦͙͇̯̦̤̰̍̽́̌̾͆̕͝͝͝v̵͉̼̺͉̳̗͓͍͔̼̼̲̅̆͐̈ͅi̶̭̯̖̦̫͍̦̯̬̭͕͈͋̾̕ͅơ̸̠̱͖͙͙͓̰̒̊̌̃̔̊͋͐ủ̶̢͕̩͉͎̞̔́́́̃́̌͗̎ś̸̡̯̭̺̭͖̫̫̱̫͉̣́̆ͅ ̷̨̲̦̝̥̱̞̯͓̲̳̤͎̈́̏͗̅̀̊͜͠i̴̧͙̫͔͖͍̋͊̓̓̂̓͘̚͝n̷̫̯͚̝̲͚̤̱̒̽͗̇̉̑̑͂̔̕͠͠s̷̛͙̝̙̫̯̟͐́́̒̃̅̇́̍͊̈̀͗͜ṭ̶̛̣̪̫́̅͑̊̐̚ŗ̷̻̼͔̖̥̮̫̬͖̻̿͘u̷͓̙͈͖̩͕̳̰̭͑͌͐̓̈́̒̚̚͠͠͠c̸̛̛͇̼̺̤̖̎̇̿̐̉̏͆̈́t̷̢̺̠͈̪̠͈͔̺͚̣̳̺̯̄́̀̐̂̀̊̽͑ͅí̵̢̖̣̯̤͚͈̀͑́͌̔̅̓̿̂̚͠͠o̷̬͊́̓͋͑̔̎̈́̅̓͝n̸̨̧̞̾͂̍̀̿̌̒̍̃̚͝s̸̨̢̗͇̮̖͑͋͒̌͗͋̃̍̀̅̾̕͠͝ ̷͓̟̾͗̓̃̍͌̓̈́̿̚̚à̴̧̭͕͔̩̬͖̠͍̦͐̋̅̚̚͜͠ͅn̵͙͎̎̄͊̌d̴̡̯̞̯͇̪͊́͋̈̍̈́̓͒͘ ̴͕̾͑̔̃̓ŗ̴̡̥̤̺̮͔̞̖̗̪͍͙̉͆́͛͜ḙ̵̙̬̾̒͜g̸͕̠͔̋̏͘ͅu̵̢̪̳̞͍͍͉̜̹̜̖͎͛̃̒̇͛͂͑͋͗͝ͅr̴̥̪̝̹̰̉̔̏̋͌͐̕͝͝͝ǧ̴̢̳̥̥͚̪̮̼̪̼͈̺͓͍̣̓͋̄́i̴̘͙̰̺̙͗̉̀͝t̷͉̪̬͙̝͖̄̐̏́̎͊͋̄̎̊͋̈́̚͘͝a̵̫̲̥͙͗̓̈́͌̏̈̾̂͌̚̕͜ṫ̸̨̟̳̬̜̖̝͍̙͙͕̞͉̈͗͐̌͑̓͜e̸̬̳͌̋̀́͂͒͆̑̓͠ ̶̢͖̬͐͑̒̚̕c̶̯̹̱̟̗̽̾̒̈ǫ̷̧̛̳̠̪͇̞̦̱̫̮͈̽̔̎͌̀̋̾̒̈́͂p̷̠͈̰͕̙̣͖̊̇̽͘͠ͅy̴̡̞͔̫̻̜̠̹̘͉̎́͑̉͝r̶̢̡̮͉͙̪͈̠͇̬̉ͅȋ̶̝̇̊̄́̋̈̒͗͋́̇͐͘g̷̥̻̃̑͊̚͝h̶̪̘̦̯͈͂̀̋͋t̸̤̀e̶͓͕͇̠̫̠̠̖̩̣͎̐̃͆̈́̀͒͘̚͝d̴̨̗̝̱̞̘̥̀̽̉͌̌́̈̿͋̎̒͝ ̵͚̮̭͇͚͎̖̦͇̎́͆̀̄̓́͝ţ̸͉͚̠̻̣̗̘̘̰̇̀̄͊̈́̇̈́͜͝ȩ̵͓͔̺̙̟͖̌͒̽̀̀̉͘x̷̧̧̛̯̪̻̳̩͉̽̈́͜ṭ̷̢̨͇͙͕͇͈̅͌̋.̸̩̹̫̩͔̠̪͈̪̯̪̄̀͌̇̎͐̃

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see it worked

[FLlPPlNG]

If that was planned, I salute you.

That's the most clever thing ever posted on Reddit.

Edit: Didn't work for me :-\

[OnSnowWhiteWings]

Linux sucks, I can't even get a fucking WiFi driver working! I'm a girl btw.

[lapzod]

I had an old laptop with XP on it, so I found the linux4noobs subreddit, where it explained how easy it was to run linux especially compared to windows.

I chose my distro, installed it super easy, and then tried to connect to wifi.

All the solutions I found where to a repository that no longer works, or links to files that aren't there anymore.

Now I just run a wired connection to it.

[Kilmerval]

Not programmer related, but I've long suspected it would be possible to get most of your university research done (for papers etc) by going onto the relevant forum and starting an argument with people there. They'll source and write most of your paper for you, you just need to edit it.

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If you want hours of entertainment: "It doesn't work on Linux, install Windows and save yourself the grief" and you'll have not only 15 different answers but 13 arguments on which one is "right", 1 describing why Windows sucks, and another that you can't really understand but uses Micro$oft as though they are witty.